A look at the Killzone Shadow Fall imagery and how soft focus effects, light bloom and depth of field are used in conjunction with artistic direction to create cinematic appearances. Drawing comparisons with other games which use similar effects.
No matter what way you try to spin it folks. Killzone looks awesome. Why are people so insecure about that beats me. Why cant we all just enjoy great games regardless of power and platform.
Insecure about what exactly? The guy said the game looked fantastic in the first MINUTE of the video.
I guess it's the title that makes it sound otherwise. These are all common techniques as it suggests, and in fact is very accurate in how we see. If you talking to someone or something is in front of you your focus is on that and everything else is blurred up (lack of focus).
Maybe the person who titled this video and article shouldn't have made it look like flamebait.
^^Maybe people should actually go beyond a title when they give their opinion on a story. The title isn't flaimbait at all. EVERY developer uses smoke and mirror techniques to make their game look as real as possible. Take draw distances in games like Batman: Arkham City for example. Although you can SEE Gotham City, you can't actually enter it.
actually, that's not what he says. what he says is that they are using common tricks to make it look good, but many other games use the same tricks. and in some cases, a lot better. "Maybe the person who titled this video and article shouldn't have made it look like flamebait." maybe YOU should stop taking any minor criticism of PS so damn seriously.
Who's taking what seriously? The title sounded like flamebait and I pointed it out.
The comments were pretty unqualified. TBH. Yes, he has praise for the game, but then he mixes up cityscapes of different game which look like day and night and he puts them all in one pot. How can he be taken seriously? That's not an analysis at all. Comparing city skyboxes with actual polygons and failing to see the difference doesn't qualify this guy of being an expert, sorry. I did finish the video; tbh. But from what I saw, he failed to point out any details - in any game, not just KZ.
That requires the fanboys to read. Who wants to do that when it's easier to just jump in and flame on.
So the latest rumor making the rounds claims that KZ:SF was only using 1.5GB of VRAM. The fact that they were able to put all that on screen with what seems like such little ram is unfreakin' believable. I can only imagine what PS4 games will look like in a couple of years when they're able to tap all that ram. O.O I wonder what kind of impact this will have on the final version of the game and if there will be a delay as a result. http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
"Maybe people should actually go beyond a title when they give their opinion on a story. The title isn't flaimbait at all. EVERY developer uses smoke and mirror techniques to make their game look as real as possible. Take draw distances in games like Batman: Arkham City for example. Although you can SEE Gotham City, you can't actually enter it" 1) No one should need to give an article a hit with a title like that. 2) Yes it is flamebait. 3) You need to adjust your definition of "smoke and mirrors" if you think the horizon of a game being uninteractive is "smoke and mirrors"
"Maybe the person who titled this video and article shouldn't have made it look like flamebait." Why? Flamebait is the bread and butter of N4G. It doesn't work on everyone though. When I see a flamebait title I refuse to read the article.
It's all well and good that he says the game looks great, but let's not be stupid enough to pretend that the title isn't a slight. It's a pretty obvious insult. Either the author meant it that way, or he's an idiot.
First misleading title. Second this this guy tries really hard to downplay Killzone shadow fall. There one game that looks as good as KZ:SF its Crysis 3 on PC...
Firstly I thought this video was lame. Of course they are going to save resources to put them in areas where you are going to look. Inside of the dome of Crysis 3 if you go to the end of the map and jump up it looks like a carpet rug of grass out there. This is such a weak argument. Next; I know there are not any final specs of yet on the new NextBox but aren't the specs going to be fairly similar? Easy to develop for with the same type of chips despite the memory type/os architect structure and allocations. I think the only thing to be concerned with is how exciting the days ahead are going to be with new tech. And who knows how far this new Killzone S.F. has been being worked on. I thought it looked amazing and the devs have plenty of time to keep working on the game. I don't know if this a day 1 launch title but high profile games usually take a back seat until there is an install base. Perhaps Killzone will be that one big launch game but we will see. I just can't wait to play it. I think both Sony and Microsoft fans will be happy of their perspective new systems.
Title is misleading lol But on topic this game looks really impressive. Was amazed how it was actual game play when I saw it on the Jimmy Fallon show. Even Infamous second son looks impressive. It was said game play was used in some parts of the trailer and if you see where Deslin swings his chain you can tell that's game play base off what we saw in Infamous 2.
Games creation in itself, especially in it's current state is smoke and mirrors anyway. Just more crap being flung by the monkies who couldn't write valid news articles or opinions without bias. Game is not even finished yet. I remember reading how Killzone 2 looked bland and was missing details.. when the game in it's final state was revealed, it blew some minds and fanboys went straight to work trying to discredit it for what it was. You won't catch me in a Microsoft article trying to downplay their games or their upcoming consoles. I wish both companies the best and the fight for our dollar go to the one who deserves it most.
OMG,it's like a shopping channel salesman trying to sound like he knows what he is talking about! This is gold.
So this, games not even out yet and they want to try and tear it down. Wait until the PS4 and the game is out in our hands before you judge. But this story is misleading in many ways. Plus the guy kind of rambles on. Then comes back to say KZ is done very well.
This guy's using images from the wrong games at times. . .
because haters are mad that Sony made a great machine.. The specs speak for themselves so i dont care what people say about what they see now (in early dev stages too).. Just wait until a year or 2 into PS4s life.. The games will be mind blowing.. & its not all about the graphics either.. A small bump in todays graphic engines in 1080/60 can be easily achieved.. Nx gen engines may not be 60fps but with that 8GB GDDR5 RAM, im sure they will run at a locked 30 w/o screen tears & slow down.. Playing all the newest games wont only look better, the experience will be better too.. The PS app (facebook esque) will make playing games really fun.. sharing platinum trophy hunts with your friends & or really rare moments can be edited, saved, & shared with others.. This machine is awesome & it doesnt matter what ppl nit pick about in the graphics.. Tell u one thing, the rumor about ps3 having 8GB of GDDR5 RAM, 8 cores, & running 1.8 tflops was true.. That same exact rumor source stated 720 was going to be similar except use weaker ddr3 ram (still 8GB), have 8 cores, & run 1.2 tflops.. So if theres problems w PS4 games, there will be problems w 720 games.. Im not even going to bother wasting my time mentioning what wii u has.. If companies like Blizzard (& possibly others @ E3 XD) partner with sony uniting PC & PS4 players together, its going to be an awesome generation.. I will continue supporting sony more than ever now.. The PS3 was their worst selling console with many mishaps n problems & still was a smash hit.. This doesnt seem to have anything im concerned with.. Especially since they ditched the complex proprietary hardware..
I don't get it. Is using depth of field using smoke and mirrors? I mean it's quite natural to see something near you in great detail and all other things in the background go all blurry. That's how normal human eyes work right? I'm really not sure what this guy is trying to say. He's pointing out the obvious imo. They are using depth of field and that's exactly why it all looks so impressive and real lifelike. That's my opinion anyway. Using it doesn't take away anything. The console still has 8 Gigs of good ram and devs are going to make wonders happen with it. To think if first gen PS4 titles look like this what are games 5 years down the road going to look like?
DOF, as seen in games, is more of a camera lens effect. Your eyes already apply DOF when you examine any objects in detail on the screen, there is no need to blur out everything except what game is "expecting" you to focus on. It's just redundant, unnecessary and is really just to make something look more like the movies than real-life, like lens flare. It may also be used to hide detail in some instances (like the distant canopies in Dark Souls around Fire Link Shrine).
I don't think Killzone looks all that great it's not bad but not great
This game looks amazing. Somehow the jackass commenting throughout the video can judge the whole game from a few minutes of early gameplay. Seems like the new way to get hits on this site is by bashing everything new that comes out.
This site is by far the worst gaming site i've ever come across. To have such delusional love for a piece of machine that literally any human can buy staggers me. I am no fanboy of any console and I have a life outside of gaming so maybe I can't understand the life of these logicless fanboys
Its just that some company not going to call any name coughmscough paying trolls to talk smack just like they did with the scroogle add about Google or apple we all know there schemes cant beat em spread propaganda.
Looks awesome, especially if this is to be a launch title.
Damn The PS4 an Killzone Shadowfall got a lot of folks scared an butthurt LMFAO!!!!!!!! Shit is hilarious!!
Nobody is scared, we are just pissed that it is a last gen game masked as next gen. I'm extremely underwhelmed by the killzone demo. It relies on the pre half life 2 corridor shooter style gameplay and the graphics are just meh since it is so blurry all the time.
Last gen couldn't even do 1080p all that often. This is a launch game with native 1080p. There's certainly nothing "last gen" about it.
You're so full of shit my friend lol.
Blurry? Were you watching a 240p. If you want, I can get you 720p and 1080p links from the conference and Jimmy Fallon show.
Killzone: SF had me stunned the minute it was announced. I can't wait to play it.
Hell ya! I was watching the twitter feed on my home from work. People said it was amazing that were there watching first hand.
while KZ ps4 look unbelievablly amazing i think that the gap between the 360\ps3 and next gen is not as big as ps2 to ps3 i see that bioshock Infinite, GTA V and MGS GZ hold up very well against PS4 gfx, they still look Damn Good IMO, 360\ps3 gfx are nowhere near as outdated against ps4 gfx as (let's say) san andreas to GTA V http://www.youtube.com/watc... in the end we want creative sp games, old school feel, games like RESI 4, like shadow man, timesplitters, turok etc, now with incredible graphical fidelity of the ps4 and hopefully nextbox, dreams can come true, don't get me wrong im a huge military shooter fan but I fed up
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opps , fixed, thanks
What you say is true however at least the gap is noticeable unlike the Wii U when compared to the PS3 or the 360. BTW I'm not trashing the Wii U by calling it a last gen console. I know that the controller is the main selling point of the console but I prefer a more traditional controller design which is why I will probably get a PS4 or a new XBOX. Motorola RAZR i
I think the reason why we won't see a huge leap in next gen, as much as we did this gen, is because we don't have that jump to HD. Like what I mean is, games are already in HD, and the HD isn't any better, just the tech in these new consoles. Where as last gen, there was the awesome new tech, PLUS the jump to HD.
You're right but jump from 720p to 1080p is still considerable, i have movies which are 720 and others 1080p and on all of my 42" and above tvs (3 tvs) i notice much sharper image. Also would like to see more normal mapping (bump mapping) and higher rez textures in coming gen consoles. We still see lots of blurred or washed out textures in games due to just few hundred MB ram in current consoles.
The leap between PS2, PS3 and PS4 titles is about the same http://imageshack.us/a/img6... Games like Resistance and Perfect Dark Zero didn't look significantly better besides resolution than games like Black on PS2.
oh GOD i miss Rfom ! didnt have pro graphics but damn i had so much fun !
One small info from Beyond3D : KZ : Shadow Fall is developed on devkits with only 1.5GB GDDR5 RAM. Look picture several times on link below and try to imagine how it will look with 8GB GDDR5 RAM available in final devkits. Guerilla Games FTW!!!:) Check this screenshot : http://www.imagetoo.com/ima...
Real time reflections for actors other than the player... Very, very impressive. I cannot wait to get my hands on a PS4 and this game. It would be so awesome if they bundled them together at launch.
Bring on the Bruce Lee hall of mirrors death match level!
y the fuck r ppl disagreeing with this guy he's right the gap between ps3 and ps4 isn't as big as ps2 to ps3
I really want to see multiplayer now! This is most likely going to be my first PS4 game. It will probably come bundled.
wow! this is stupid!
What's so funny is that people say the leap next gen isn't that great and yet they believe what was shown is not real lol.
No. What is shocking is that they still think this is not a big leap just because they were wrong in the first place..
i dont think sony can afford to make the same mistake as they did at E3-05. Watch the Killzone HQ video in HD, you will see its all real time. Only the cutscenes will be more cinematic but ingame, like most video games are nowdays
I expect to see a lot of articles like this in the coming months. It's sad really , all the hate that gets directed at the Playstation brand. Some people just can't except how amazing PS4 games look and that Sony is on top .PC fanboys are starting to join the fight against Sony now because the PS4 looks better than ANY tricked out PC.
maybe you should go watch the video first before jumping on conclusion you noob lol. Heck you dont even have to watch the video as the synopsis on the page is "In this video we take an analytical look at the Killzone Shadow Fall imagery and how soft focus effects, light bloom and depth of field are used in conjunction with artistic direction to create cinematic appearances. Drawing comparisons with other games which use similar effects."
The guy isn't saying Killzone : shadow fall looks bad,he's actually admiring it,he's just saying that some of the elements used in the Killzone : shadow fall trailer was used also in games like battlefield 3,Crysis 2,Perfect dark & Halo 4. He's not saying that it's not impressive,he's saying that some of the elements aren't new to some(especially to PC gamers),still .. the Killzone : shadow fall gameplay footage was remarkable in a way that you might actually think it was run on a high end PC. PS4 is gonna be an amazing console ! :D
Gun animation is new, how it change from AF to a SR is epic! true not many new thing in term of gameplay.. so far we only saw 8min of what I'm guessing was a early alpha demo.. let's wait see and play the game, i bet there are many only possible on next gen features..
just look at last of us, and beyond two sould, they already look like next-gen. And people say that ps4 can not have much better looking games, like Deep down, infamous, and killzone?.
I fail to see the point of this video...
To learn how developers present city backgrounds in their games.
Ahh. I see. Because for a minute, I thoutht the video was making a comparison of killzone's proprietary engine against Spec ops' this gen Unreal Engine 3....
Yea Im not sure where you got that from. Especially since in the first 40 seconds the speaker mentions the comparison of the environment across multiple games. Attention given to the engines when only the games are mentioned. It is interesting when you suggest a comparison of 2 engines when games using other engines are mentioned.
interesting video, I learnt something today :D I like the realistic take that BF3 and MoH present in their landscape. I wonder what the KZ games would be like if they were done this way. When I think back to both KZ2 and 3 the use of blur and focal points is very heavy in this series. I think this is what just makes it "KZ".
in case if some where thinking this, the fact that KZ background is done a certain way doesn't make it a negative thing. I have to assume since people don't what to state their reasoning.
Nothing to see here, move on. The game doesn't even exploit the 8GB of GDDR5 RAM revealed in the meeting and they're already saying it's smoke and mirrors.
Killzone games look fantastic, but everyone calling out other gamers who prefer other platforms are no better than the prejudice ones they're judging. Do not drag PC/nintendo/xbox gamers down as a whole by the actions of a few.
For a launch title running on probably only 4 gigs of GDDR5 it is damn impressive.