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Submitted by mulder1617 504d ago | news

Pach-Man Chews Up Nintendo and Spits Them Out Again

A news piece about Michael Pachter's latest negative remarks about the Wii U and how its failing. (Industry, Michael Pachter, Nintendo, Wii U)

chadboban  +   504d ago
I dunno, Pachter just seems to like to cover his ground because he has made both positive and negative comments about Nintendo. So should Nintendo fail he can say "See, I was right, look it up, I said it" and if they succeed he can say "Yeah I said they'd be fine, look it up I said it"
ApolloTheBoss  +   504d ago
This guy is just a complete hypocrite. If you're gonna make a comment be it positive or negative about a product, you should stand behind your opinion the first time. Don't change it just cause you were wrong. Suck it up and admit you made a mistake. I'm still trying to figure out how he got his job. Looks like even a monkey could do it.
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MikeMyers  +   504d ago
What exactly did he change? He still thinks the Wii U is going to fail to meet expectations and so far he's right. He is explaining how it's not personal, what he says about Nintendo isn't out of spite. The community can and have been extremely vocal about his comments and take them personal. He sees Nintendo from a business perspective, we see it as a gamers perspective.
Theyellowflash30  +   503d ago
Its not out of Spite but its money related. He's told investors to stay away from Nintendo. So he'll never say anything positive about Nintendo at this moment. Even the 3DS that is a huge success, he won't even give Nintendo credit for that.

He completely ignores the Japanese market. Had nothing to say about Animal Crossing selling 3 million units in Japan with about 1 million of those sales fro digital. Ignores the successes of Fire Emblem or anything positive about Nintendo.

Meanwhile he ignored the fact Sony had to sell their US headquartes for 1.1 billion, or how they constantly have to sell shares to pay off debts. Or the fact Sony's game division has been losing money left and right.

Its not in spite, but it is personal. He's got a lot of peoples money on it.
momthemeatloaf  +   504d ago
Yeah he hedges his bets all the time
360ICE  +   504d ago
In fairness, he's generally been pretty negative on the Wii U.
chadboban  +   504d ago
Well he's actually been flip flopping a lot when it comes to his opinion of Nintendo (although he has been mostly negative lately). I don't really like using console fansites for reference but this article pretty much puts all the times he's changed his tune on Nintendo and the Wii U in the past couple of months

http://wiiudaily.com/2013/0...
360ICE  +   503d ago
@chadboban
Yup, that was kind of a remarkably stupid article, all right. He's pretty much negative against the Wii U every step along the way, but making small changes in his personal opinion of the console and of how the Wii U will perform short-term.
user3915800  +   504d ago
Patchter its a great analyst just like trolls are here great (Sonys winnning the troll war in N4G). Simple the Wiiu lacks next gen hardware, therefore it sucks. No sugar coating, the wiiu its dead. Welcome to 2013 the year of next gen gaming.
3-4-5  +   503d ago
Games aren't like regular business and people like Pachter try to analyze things as if this was wall street.

Games are different and that they rely on creativity and you can't predict creativity at all.
mulder1617  +   504d ago
LOL! That is so true man. Yep, they are good at covering their backs.
Dark_Overlord  +   504d ago | Funny
I'm curious as to who's mouth flaps more, pach-man or pac-man :D
PopRocks359  +   504d ago
I find it interesting that only on Nintendo related articles do I ever see people agreeing with this guy. Everything else people are usually bashing the crap out of him.
cyguration  +   504d ago
Didn't you know? N4G hates Nintendo.
Root  +   504d ago
No...people like you THINK this site hates Nintendo

If you want to see real hate look at how much Sony gets treat like crap since they released the PS3 back in 2006

Seriously Nintendo doesn't get that much hate....people question them and their reasons on things but thats it. I mean Nintendo have been making some mistakes latley, it's not the Wii age anymore with their massive sales and their biggest selling gimmick, they are having a hard time topping that and you can see they are in a little bit of trouble. Are they "doomed"...not really but they are finding it hard to find their place again, it's just a shame they think the casual market is still the answer
PopRocks359  +   504d ago
@Root

I call bull. This community typically lambastes Pachter and very few actually side with him. So why is it people only start agreeing with him on Nintendo related Pachter articles? Not a lot of it in this one in particular, but in some of the previous ones I've seen multiple accounts of it.

Now if you want to try to say the hatred is stronger toward Sony, look no further than every single PS4 article released where almost every comment is embellished praise. The rare negative ones are generally trolls. NOTE: Not even saying this is a bad thing, it's just an observation and you should take it as such.

And on top of this, here's another detail I noticed. You and others got on my case for defending Nintendo for how they handled the VC upgrades for the Wii U, claiming that Nintendo was greedy and in one comment I was deemed a "delusional fanboy".

Here comes Sony with the PS4 where you have ZERO backwards compatibility or transfers whatsoever and the only way you can play said games is through Gaikai, potentially having to purchase those titles all over again.

So at the very least read the two paragraphs above this sentence and explain to me what the ever loving hell is up with that.
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chadboban  +   504d ago
@Root

Not disagreeing with you or anything man, but what has Nintendo done lately that indicates they "think the casual market is still the answer"?.

Other than the tablet controller and that their system is underpowered compared to the competition, I don't see how Nintendo has exactly been pandering to casuals lately. I can tell this is gonna be a really though image for Nintendo to shed(honestly, no matter how hard they try, they probably never will).

Other than Wii U Fit and that Wii Party sequel thing the games they have lined up for Wii U don't really scream "casual" to me. Bayonetta 2, Monolith Soft's game, Yoshi, Pikmin 3, The Wonderful 101, Game and Wario, Lego City and Wind Waker HD aren't exactly games the casual market rushes out to pick up (Lego city maybe but who knows). Not to mention 3DS's lineup for the year is lookin pretty sweet to me so far. They have a ways to go before they can compare to what Sony has when it comes to "hardcore" games but from what I'm seeing, I think for the most part, they're headed in the right direction. Hopefully E3 will help give a better picture as to where not only Nintendo, but Sony and Microsoft are headed as well.
Root  +   504d ago
@Poprocks

"Here comes Sony with the PS4 where you have ZERO backwards compatibility or transfers whatsoever and the only way you can play said games is through Gaikai, potentially having to purchase those titles all over again."

Well first of all we don't actually know the full story...not untill E3 so I'll wait till then before I say anything about this

"Now if you want to try to say the hatred is stronger toward Sony, look no further than every single PS4 article released where almost every comment is embellished praise"

Well yeah because they've learnt from their mistakes and they gave us most of the details of the PS4 the first time they revealed it....remember when the Wii U first was announced they didn't even bother to reveal it properly, it took them two E3s and an Nintendo drect to actually get through to us everything about the Wii U

Anyway where not talking about the PS4 getting hate I was talking about the PS3 getting hated on....and it did .....A LOT this gen. We'll see what happens with the PS4 when it comes out and the Nextbox is revealed.

"So why is it people only start agreeing with him on Nintendo related Pachter articles?"

Oh for the love of god...it dosen't matter what article Pachters in, he still gets called worse then s***.

@chadboban

Quite simple really...the console it's self

In no way shape or form is it going to stand up to the PS4 and the Nextbox. It was made to aim it's self still at the casual market....why do you think they made the controler tablet like.
chadboban  +   504d ago
@Root

Yes, thanks for repeating what I said in paragraph 2 of my response. But you're forgetting the point I've already made. The first and foremost way to tell what audience a console is aiming for is it's games lineup, not necessarily it's hardware. So I'll ask again, where in their first party games lineup other than the Wii Fit and party stuff does it scream "We want the casual audience"?

Now I can see why you'd use PS4 as an example as we now have solid facts about where Sony is going with it, but then you mention the next Xbox which we only have rumors of, rumors which seem to indicate *cough*.. mandatory Kinect integration...*cough cough* that they may very well be going for the casual audience as well. However we won't know that for sure until we see the console and what it's going to offer for ourselves, so maybe you should keep that out of your arguments for now.

P.S. I know you're probably tired bro and I hate to be a grammar Nazi but using "it's self" is a terrible mistake that I tried really hard to overlook but I just couldn't lol. No hard feelings right.

Also you used it twice man, TWICE. lol.
dragunrising  +   504d ago
N4G doesn't hate Nintendo. You will find bias everywhere and anytime you decide to look for it. Only the fanboys of competing platforms hate Nintendo. N4G as a whole loves Nintendo because Nintendo along with the other big players in gaming are what keep our hobby alive. Also, competition is good regardless of whether you game on Nintendo hardware or not.
MasterCornholio  +   503d ago
This site is merely a site that provides news to gamers and as such isnt a human entity thats capable of hating on a certain company.

This is a case of fanboy paranoia.

But i do agree with you that there are certain groups of people who loath Nintendos decisions in the market but in no way do they represent all of the posters at N4G.

Otherwise i could use the argument that Wii U Lee represents the majority of Nintendo fanboys. And im pretty sure Nintendo fans are embarrassed by the attitude of those types of users. Isnt that right Pop?

Hey look WiiULee made a comment

"mark my words the winner this next generation will be between wiiu and steam.....and once nintendo's games comes out and wiiu takes off for good, thats the battle that will play while sony and microsoft battle for last place...with most likely sony going out of business in videogames after this next generation"

LOL
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stage88  +   504d ago
I don't care what console he's talking about I've just had enough of him.
Please someone get him fired and put him into a job that's more suited to him.
wiiulee  +   504d ago
patcher one of the biggest clowns in videogame today and i guess a haters wet dream...especially nintendo haters still upset over wii winning last generation.....mark my words the winner this next generation will be between wiiu and steam.....and once nintendo's games comes out and wiiu takes off for good, thats the battle that will play while sony and microsoft battle for last place...with most likely sony going out of business in videogames after this next generation
Blastoise  +   504d ago
Keep telling yourself that
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BX81  +   504d ago
Hmm
What did the wii win? Not best console, not best software. What did I miss. Let's be honest here in terms of consoles the PS4 just made the wii u look like a horrible mistake.
Nicolee  +   504d ago
Wii sold more than any consoles last gen and made most profit as well, collect me if i am wrong
gamer42  +   504d ago
Sales wise, they did win.
thaimasker  +   504d ago
Most console and software sold, Biggest increase from last Gen. Microsoft also had a huge increase. Sony lost alot of the ground and domination it had in the PS2/PS1 days with the PS3.
Deku-Johnny  +   504d ago
Best console and best software is 100% opinion based though. You might not think it was the best console but some people might. That's why the 'winner' of a generation is based on sales and that is why the Wii is the winner of the 7th gen just as PS2 was the winner of the 6th gen.

And as the the last part I ask, how? The strongest console hardly ever wins a generation so the PS4 being so much more powerful means nothing. There's no way in Feb 2012 that anyone can know who will win the 8th gen.
G20WLY  +   503d ago
Jeez, you lot are a smart bunch...

You've got jommy999 saying, "COLLECT me if I am wrong" - oh, the delicious irony lmao

And Deku-Johnny who doesn't even know what bloody year it is - "no way in Feb 2012 that anyone can know who will win the 8th gen" It's 2013 man pmsl*

*I'm gonna apologise now in case you've been in a coma and didn't realise this much time had passed :(
gamer42  +   504d ago
Honestly in terms of sales I feel like the WiiU will end up in a gamecube scenario,not that it's a bad thing, but maybe they could gain more third party support if they play their cards right. I think the winner this gen will be PS4,if they price it well, or 720, if they succeed in capturing the casual market (I honestly feel like they're trying to do that.) But maybe i'm wrong, who knows? All I know is I'm getting the best of both worlds by getting the great combo of the wiiu and PS4 :P
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MNGamer-N  +   503d ago
PS4 + Wii U. I am inventing a new fanboy category, PS4WIIU3DSVITA Fanboy. I'll start hating on Microsoft shortly.
Deku-Johnny  +   504d ago
I wish something would chew him up.
MadMen  +   504d ago
The WiiU is a joke, some of you cant handle the idea that its a flop out of the gate in comparison to the Wii
PopRocks359  +   503d ago
"in comparison to the Wii"

So was the 360, PS3, DS and 3DS. What is your point?
Nevers0ft  +   503d ago
It's hard to dispute that... Pretty much every other console except the NES, Gameboy and DS have been flops compared to the Wii ;)

Like the Wii U or not, lightning has struck several times for Nintendo. Never count them out.
AJBACK2FRAG  +   503d ago
You're so wrong. Nintendo develops the best quality software in the world period. That's a fact not opinion. If you disagree unfortunately you are incorrect. Every gaming journalist knows this. Mikey P. Should know this. Nintendo designs the most indestuctable hardware in the world. That's a well known fact not opinion. Nintendo has the best customer service in this industry. This is not opinion. This is fact if you disagree you are incorrect. Mario Kart U is going to "move" millions of pieces of hardware and obviously software. That's a not opinion that's fact. Super Smash bros. same thing. Legend o Zelda WiiU. same thing. On and on and on. What is Retro studios working on? What games are coming out for the WiiU that we don't even know about? Who knows? Don't worry about Nintendo. They're fine. No one is going to remember this lull after Christmas 2013. That's not a fact but it will be.
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PirateThom  +   503d ago
I don't think you understand the difference between facts and opinions.

This will help
http://pbskids.org/arthur/g...
Amigaengine  +   503d ago
This guy is just another Wall Street breed speculator. An empty suit may be a better name ?
Shnazzyone  +   503d ago
Is it just me or does prachter seem to only talk about nintendo these days. What kind of investment analyst doesn't focus on all the compeditors? Why? Because he found saying shit about nintendo nets him more attention. Can't say your important unless people talk about what you say. I mean his track record on predicting nintendo is notoriously shitty. Guess we should all just ignore him since he's been wrong just about every time he's talked about nintendo. Remember when 3ds will fail because it can't compete with smart phones?
GoldenElf  +   503d ago
"ad hominem"

Yep. He's 100% credible.

*rolls eyes*
jimbob100  +   503d ago
Patcher literally has no idea what he's talking about. A massive hypocrit that has changed his stance on the Wii U more than once.. It amazes me that he is even recognised as a gaming critic! His opinion on the Wii U was really quite positive when it was announced. Saying it was quite powerful & going to sell millions & carry on the original Wii's success etc etc.. Now however, based soley on Wii U launch window sales being s bit lower than predicted, & the obvious fact the ps3 is more powerful, he is slagging the Wii U off big time. -The truth is, he's an middle age, out of touch hypocrite with absoloutly no grip/understanding on the video game industry at all. We all have opinions, but honestly, how can anyone take this goon seriously?!?! So, what I say friends, is don't even listen to the egotistical idiot because he literally talks complete sh*te 99% of the time. Makes me laugh that the opinion of one out of touch middle age guy is taken seriously by so many people. I own a 360, Wii U, & will get whichever (ps4/new Xbox) console offers the best gaming experience 'WHEN', there is solid tried & tested evidence of their ability. .. So anyways pach tw*t, go eat smother hat & choke on it you absolute idiot. lol
MNGamer-N  +   503d ago
Damn did he bang your sister or something? Sheesh calm down
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jimbob100  +   503d ago
*another ;)
MultiConsoleGamer  +   503d ago
Pachter is a pundit and a corporate mouth piece. His accuracy on predictions is abysmal. His words are always motivated by financial agenda. And nothing he says should be taken seriously, just like the title of this article.

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