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Sony Will Compete With Valve, Not Microsoft, Next Generation

GR writes: "Watching the PlayStation 4 reveal I was surprised, despite trying not to be, at the specs for Sony's next console. The eight-core AMD CPU was anticipated, but opting for 8GB of GDDR5 and a GPU comparable to the GeForce 660/660ti is something the PC gamer inside of me couldn't help but be excited about. My astonishment soon turned into curiosity once I thought about how Microsoft's Durango (code name for next-gen Xbox) is clearly not aiming for the same demographic."

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alexcosborn1277d ago

It'll certainly be interesting to see what sort of direction Microsoft takes with its new console. Can't wait!

Dms20121277d ago

This opinion is getting pretty boring, at least come up with something else.

chasegarcia1277d ago (Edited 1277d ago )

Kinect2.0 is exactly what I want

& for them to remove Xbox live gold.

HammadTheBeast1277d ago

@chasegarcia

It's your species that make me sick.

Mainsqueeze1277d ago

I Love Valves games but i honestly don't think they will do well with the steam box. Just to much competition and not enough brand recognition with the casuals. Even if they do just focus on high end specs i feel most people will opt for Sony with the PS4 because its something they know.

Mounce1277d ago

Whoa man, Kinect 2?! Sony doesn't stand a chance.

Valve should also scrap the Steam Box completely, they can't handle the power of Eyetoy 3- I mean, Kinect 2.0

Spoon_1277d ago (Edited 1277d ago )

Steambox is an upgradeable console so there is no limits nuff said
You can slap a Titan in your steambox and voila!!

Also stop being small minded the steambox is being packaged with a CONTROLLER NOT A KEYBOARD IT'S COMPETITION IS CONSOLES

Virtual_Reality1277d ago

''You can slap a Titan in your steambox and voila!! ''

Seems easy, but do you consider it the price?

$999.99, nuff said.

http://www8.pcmag.com/media...

dcbronco1277d ago

The person that wrote this seems to be incapable of learning from the past. Design means a lot, not just the parts. The writer, and may others, doesn't understand that we are moving into a new kind of computers. And software. And people are underestimating the software.

And neither consoles specs are final. Sony has said so, so apparently they believe they might have to upgrade theirs. And Microsoft's is a modular system. So parts can be added. Their own documents from a couple of years ago show 3 CPUs and 2 GPUs. We saw one APU design. What if there are two of those APUs in the Xbox. On paper that is a 25% power difference the other way.

Plus no one has figured out what the move engines in the 720 do. People have speculated that it was about increasing the RAMs bandwidth, but if bandwidth was a issue why not change the RAM from the beginning. So it might be for bandwidth and other reasons. That might add efficiency that increases power further.

And people keep talking about changing the motherboard at the last minute. No one has seen a motherboard for either console. Or a shell design. What motherboard needs changing?

Let's wait for final specs and a real examination of the parts before we determine a winner. Though I believe the Xbox will be more powerful. Based on some of the things I've been reading about their work.

Ritsujun1277d ago

yup, slap dat Steamboobx

BattleAxe1277d ago (Edited 1277d ago )

Sony and Steam are the two best places to be for games, so I guess this makes sense to some degree. However, I think it will take Valve at least one full generation before they get the brand recognition they need to be able to compete with Sony in the livingroom.

What will be interesting is whether or not Sony will compete with Steam on the PC with using GaiKai, and since the PS4 architecture is similar to a PC, Sony could conceivably create a service like Steam or Origin on the PC, and offer both downloads of ported PS4 games and a streaming service.

Nitrox1277d ago

From article-
"Most importantly, the Durango is presumed to have an even more advanced version of Kinect built-in. Such a move indicates that Microsoft wants to make its motion and voice command capabilities a major feature of the next console"

I think it's pretty funny that the author of this seems to be putting down the next Xbox because Kinect integration is somehow "going a completely different route" but nowhere does he acknowledge that PS4 is shipping with its very own update of the uber successful (/s) PS Move.

Double standards I assume...

TheBrownBandito1276d ago

@dcbronco

"Though I believe the Xbox will be more powerful. Based on some of the things I've been reading about their work."

I was taking you seriously until you said that.

Cueil1276d ago

lolz at the Titain vs 7970 comparison

TheRealSpy1276d ago

You're an idiot. You'd already have been removed for trolling if it was in reverse.

N4G is such insane hypocrisy.

dosempire1276d ago

Sadly.... Kinect 2.0 AND Casuals

TopDudeMan1276d ago

People marked this as funny, but I'm gonna mark it "well said" because it's probably a pretty good prediction.

Tr10wn1276d ago

After reading all these comments i still can't believe how idiotic people are on this site, we have clairvoyance people in this site, these guys can tell how powerful an unannounced console is gonna be that's just astonishing why the hell are you guys even here? you should be millionaires by now.... read your comments before posting eat you will laugh with all the non sense you guys write.

I love steam but there is no way ill use the Steambox over my PC and there is no way ill buy it over a PS4 or a 720 i still want to see the spec of both the 720 and the Steambox but my PC is not that bad so i'm looking towards the PS4 and the 720.

dcbronco1276d ago

@TheBrownBandito

I understand what you're say. Let me explain why I said that. It's because I've read so many articles about what Microsoft is doing from non-gaming sources. They have built a huge CPU/GPU design section of their own. They have modified chips on their own in the past. The APU in the Xbox Slim was their take on IBM and AMD parts. It was better and they had to slow it down to keep parody with older consoles.

They are making their chip modular. The leaked documents they have tried to have their lawyers remove from the Internet show that they plan to use their Xbox chips in TVs, Set-top boxes, TVs, Phones and tablets. They have already released Surface with other parts. I believe the next versions will contain MS chips.

It's clear to me that Microsoft is very serious about becoming a major player in the whole entertainment eco-sytem. From making their own original content to their own hardware. It will be based on other peoples parts(for the time being). But it will be heavily modified by Microsoft. I haven't seen any evidence that Sony has become so deeply involved in chip design. Apple has.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/new...

Apple and Microsoft have made it clear they will not depend on their to do their chips anymore. So I believe they have secrets that Sony won't have access to. They have also been gearing Windows 8, C++ AMP and DirectCompute to take advantage of the HSA architecture.

So it wasn't a fanboy comment. But I can see why you would thing that given this sites reputation.

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pain777pas1277d ago

I think that Microsoft will be competing with Valve more than Sony is. Microsoft may just try to push Valve out in some way. This gen will be interesting.

scott1821277d ago

Yeah it seems more likely MS and Valve may get in some sort of heated competition then Sony and Valve. Sony will try and push Nintendo out I think.

ForgottenProphecy1277d ago

Well, IMO, if Microsoft tries to stick with Kinect, I think it will be Microsoft vs Nintendo for the casuals and Valve vs Sony for the hardcore. Overall, we all win with a great experience found on all four consoles.

karl1277d ago

SONY has always bet on the hardcore market

soo if MS doesnt keep on the way they did up to now with the next xbox then SONY will be left alone

with pc of course

the rest is casual...

NonApplicable1277d ago (Edited 1277d ago )

I think you should re-analyze Microsoft's direction. They clearly are pushing towards entertainment services and less on gaming. Just look at the Xbox interface and marketplace today; heavy on media and services. The gaming that they do focus on, is indicating a more casual future. The fact that Microsoft will bundle a Kinect 2.0 with every Durango says it all.

I hope I'm wrong!

extermin8or1277d ago

Microsoft could concievably make it harder for steam to function on windows and that would destroy a large portion of it's userbase. It'd be hard todo but not impossible and a right dick move but if they made life as hard as possible to be used on windows 8 or whatever comes next seeing as gabe as spewed anti windows 8 stuff already :p #what I wonder is if valve plan to make games like the inevitable half life 3 multiplatform or only on steam/steam box? Also steam box isn't going todo aswell because it's basically a pc, it is upgradeable which will put many people off and that for the money they shouldn't expect to be outdated in 3/4 years...

pain777pas1277d ago

Extermin8tor you don't forget do you? Neither do I. Gabe says that he wants to use Linux for the Steambox in addition to what he said about Windows 8. All signs point to Steam having some issues in the future with Microsoft or they are currently having issues with Microsoft. Some of us may not know how Microsoft became the Goliath that they were or are now. Apple is on the rise too so... if they find a way to just lock off other providers from Windows 8 and funnel everyone to their Windows 8 app store we may see a slow decline in Steams presence in a Windows OS space. I think that Microsoft is going to get angry and vicious soon to anyone non google because that is the only company that they need right now because of their search engine dominance and Youtube etc... That is the only partnership that they have to preserve everyone else is under the heel of their boots so to speak.

Tres211277d ago

@ extermin8or
ive been wonderin the same thing & wanna kno if they plan on still making multi plat games still or just goin for steambox & pc there r a few games i wanna play

Ju1276d ago (Edited 1276d ago )

Steam is going the Linux route anyway. A Steambox won't run Windows. Not sure what MS can do about that (other than locking down the boot loader in Windows8 certified Mobos). You wouldn't notice. Big picture will take over the OS in Steambox anyway.

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TheGamerDood1277d ago (Edited 1277d ago )

MS is already being written off...wow.

CommonSenseGamer1277d ago

Only by fanboys. I will wait to hear about their games line up before I decide.

LOGICWINS1277d ago (Edited 1277d ago )

Writing off MS is like putting your back to an angry unchained dog thats been mistreated over the past couple of years. Big mistake.

haggishurler1277d ago

@LOGICWINS mistreated by the millions of gold customers, who pay money just to use the console with friends?

Zhipp1277d ago

@haggi
I think you may have misunderstood the "mistreated" part of the metafore...

nukeitall1277d ago (Edited 1277d ago )

@LOGICWINS:

Exactly!

Sony wrote of the original Xbox, then the Xbox 360 and look what that got them. This time, Sony is essentially copying Xbox 360's strategy upon release with social gaming features and core games.

Sony isn't even looking at Valve, because they don't realize the threat yet, while MS is an immediate danger.

However, I agree that Steam will be a bigger competitor since both are likely to be using x86 architecture. This means, targeting PC first, then porting to consoles is more likely to happen. This puts Valve at an advantage, combine with the fact that PC is a moving hardware specification target.

The real question then is, can Valve make a box as integrated as upcoming consoles? Do they understand the "instantness" of consoles?

Valve also doesn't have the deep pockets to go after the razor and blade business model so we will see.

It certainly are interesting times for an entertainment consumer and gamer!

UnholyLight1277d ago

@CommonSenseGamer

At least your name holds true to the logic you speak in your #1.3.1 comment

xursz1277d ago (Edited 1277d ago )

About "Instantness" of gaming, neither does Valve have the cash to invest in Cloud which will be a substantial part of Next Generation at least for Playstation.

I expect MS will follow up on the idea, too.

And we know Steambox wouldn't charge for multiplayer so MS will have no choice but to drop the subscription or offer a remard program similar to PS+ if they want to charge people.

thereapersson1277d ago

I don't know what you are going on about. Sony has always been focused on the core gamer. In fact, they are pushing more than ever to give core gamers what they want for the PS4.

Tr10wn1276d ago

@UnholyLight

A rare attribute in this site since most of the people use rumors over common sense or solid facts.

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Cam9771277d ago

Since Sony have Gaikai it WILL be a battle between Soy and Valve.

Kalowest1277d ago

MS has had cloud services since 07.

ThatXboxGuy1277d ago

Cloud space and Gaikai are on two entirely different levels.

Mainsqueeze1277d ago

Microsoft pretty much hired everyone that worked for OnLive so they will most likely have a cloud system like Gaikai.

Reverent1277d ago

The problem with Microsoft recruiting OnLive employees... Well, Onlive failed.

MariaHelFutura1277d ago

I don't think people understand what Gaikai is doing.

xxLuckyStrike1277d ago

Will Sony will have Gaiki behind a PS+ subscription to stream. They paid a lot of money to acquire them. And the PS4 isn't gonna be cheap. But I think for Sony to thrive this gen they need to charge for one of those services via PS+ or monthly fee.

*If Sony doesn't charge for Gaikai and online next gen "my hats off".

Zhipp1277d ago

@Reverent
That's probably why the hired the employees but didn't buy the company.

TheRealSpy1276d ago (Edited 1276d ago )

Yeah...ummm. Apple failed in the 90s, too. Then MS bailed them out. Now it's one of the most valuable companies in the world...

Can't believe you got a "well said." lol

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ATi_Elite1277d ago

I don't think Steambox will compete with PS4PC

PS4PC = Sony Faithful and other console users who enjoy the console experience

Steambox = PC Gamers and those looking to step up to PC Gaming in a easy way.

It's good to see the PS4PC be so powerful but it's still catering towards the console crowd while PC Gaming is totally different.

Us PC Gamers have our own long list of PC Exclusives, Mods, and Gaming Genres not found on the consoles i.e. Mobas, RTS, Space Simulators, etc..

So I really don't see it as a PS4PC vs. Steambox debate. Sure Both platforms will have the same mindless Multiplats but someone spending hours playing Killzone Shadow Fall may not really care about DayZ or someone spending hours playing Star Citizen may not care about Uncharted 4.

PS4PC and Steambox are TWO Different Game worlds!

Buy both and enjoy both or just enjoy one!

Conzul1277d ago

Looks like PS4PC is already wearing down the barrier against MMO's, which HAS to be the biggest PC "gamer" base.

I loved Freelancer and I'm sure I'll love Star Citizen, but........uuuh....Playstation exclusives are better than PC exclusives, with few exceptions.

LoL, PS4PC

Sithlord-Gamble1277d ago

I completely agree.
Sony isnt going to lose customers to Valve anymore than Valve will to Sony.
Console gamers will most likely continue gaming on their system of choice & PC gamers will continue gaming on their PC/Steambox.

Both groups are hardcore gamers in their own right.

ufo8mycat1277d ago

Stop fooling yourself.

PC shouldnt even be put into the mix because it is now an irrelevant platform with no REAL exclusives. Seems like you are still living in year 2000. PC "Gamers" aren't even true core gamers, just nerds playing games - BIG difference.

As for Steambox, unless Valve can bring out quite a few REAL exclusives to the console, I don't see it beating the PS4 as terms of games and gameplay.

Bladesfist1276d ago

@Conzul No you are wrong again. You playstation gamers are always talking about your amazing exclusives however you don't understand that a lot of PC gamers do not care for the linear AAA experience and prefer playing sandbox or strategy games. Saying that Playstation exclusives are better than PC exclusives is just naive. What can be said as fact is that PC has more exclusives than playstation. I prefer PC exclusives such as Mount and Blade and DayZ / ARMA as they give you a blank canvas and you can do whatever you want. On another note I have just ordered a PS3 to play Uncharted 3 / Killzone and the upcoming playstation exclusives.

@Ufo

You can insult PC Gamers as much as you want, I hope it makes you feel better about your life.

Ju1276d ago (Edited 1276d ago )

Question. If the next console can pretty much run any PC game, wouldn't you think we'll see more of those on the PS4 (and maybe XBox)? Since PS is more liberal I'd think some games will be excluded from MS's business model. But w/e. It should be pretty easy to port games to PS4 now, incl. play for free, etc.

I'm curious if that controller/camera combo could enrich games like RTS. This is the only real disadvantage I see on consoles. M/KB vs. Controller is a personal preference; both work reasonably well - it does not exclude the genre.

But strategy games kinda do. Unless there will be broader KB adaption for the PS4 (which will support this, my best guess - PS3 did, but the only game which actually implemented it was UT3). And then, there is still Move, which will have a lower entry barrier now that the camera is included (Move is $25...I guess, NavCon the same?).

Steambox has all the same "disadvantages" because it "controllifies" PC games, which basically takes away your beloved K/M. So, what's the big advantage then? (Well, I can imagine, Steam games will still support K/M to a larger extend).

Hey, BTW, PS3/UT3 ran mods. The only problem was that bigger ones which did not fit were PC exclusive. But this barrier is gone, now, too. ( http://www.ut3mod.com/ )

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fermcr1277d ago (Edited 1277d ago )

"Sony Will Compete With Valve, Not Microsoft, Next Generation"

Seriously !!!

Sony haven't presented all their plans for the PS4.

Valve haven't presented their console nor future plans for their console. That Steam Box presented wasn't Valve's console.

Microsoft haven't presented their console nor future plans for their console.

Article is total nonsense.

3-4-51277d ago

It's like they are trying to find their own places within the industry again like it used to be instead of trying to do what the other company is doing.

Think about Sega Genesis Vs SNES and how many unique games we got for each system.

Games that you couldn't play on the other because they were exclusive.

color pallets and music also were different.

This past/current gen was all about Talk and no walk...if you get me.

Everybody tried to do what the other was doing and the only real inovation or creative trying seemed to be coming from Nintendo.

I think they learned from this and while they will have superior graphics, they are learning how to bring that indie and casual gamer in as well as the PC gamer.

Sony did good for the first time in while with the PS4.

I'm hoping Xbox upgrade the memory...

DD3 memory was good like 3 years ago.

It was last gen even.

extermin8or1277d ago

They can't upgrade the memory, apparently they'd have to scrap the lot as their entire build is based on DDR3 assuming that those leaks are correct for MS aswell then to switch to GDDR5 would mean having to start over-for one their gpu might not support the transfer rate of the GDDR5 as it doesn't need to, that alonwe would limit the effectiveness of redoing the RAM with such a barrier to cause the bottlekneck would be rediculous not to mention wouldn't work anyway....

mwjw6961277d ago

@ 3-4-5 "DD3 memory was good like 3 years ago.

It was last gen even."

So find me a mother board that supports GDDR5 as system ram then... o wait you cant.

This site I swear to god bunch of idiots that cant tell a spoon from a fork.

PS: Its DDR 3 not "DD3" as in Double Data Rate Ver 3.

Virtual_Reality1277d ago (Edited 1277d ago )

It should be interesting to see what this companies have to offer.

Hopefully, Valve can develop games to the PS4 with cross platform and Steamworks like they did with Portal 2 on PS3.

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney1277d ago (Edited 1277d ago )

I want valve to take MS's place.

extermin8or1277d ago

No I want valve and Sony to coexist only slightly in competition, acknowledging they target different areas of the core gamer market and with valve games remaining multiplatform? :P I think that would be healthier for the industry...

UnholyLight1277d ago

All these people, I can't wait to see if Kinect 2 can shut some people up. I see nothing wrong with experimentation to advance technology and the way we think "gaming".

At least Microsoft didn't pussy out and has the BALLS to try and come up with a solution to completely controller free or hybrid controls gaming, rather than Sony's basically Wii 2.0 motion solution.

Don't get me wrong, the Move is great, but seriously, all you Sony guys drive me nuts. I just want to see some new experiences for the future.

I could care less about allegiances to a certain brand, and as such, I just want someone to show me that they can innovate and make something cool, fresh, and new.

mandf1277d ago

You are right, but you need to realize there are more hardcore gamers than casual on Xbox. Ms spent half a billion on Kinect advertising alone. The created new Kinect IPs but neglected to make a new IP for the hardcore. Somes fans are feeling left in the dust. An exclusive IP Gets a large budget and a large dedicated team focused on one console in mind. Xbox the second half of it's life lived off multiplats. That's not good enough for the people who made xbox, xbox. For 500million. They could have made 10 new AAA IPs. But nope, they turned casual and neglected the core.

extermin8or1277d ago

At this point can I please point out the EYE TOY EXISTED YEARS BEFORE KINECT WAS ANYONES IDEA. So sony tried controller free motion gaming 1st and like most applications for kinect have been- they've been gimmicky just as eyetoy games were.

Ju1276d ago

UnholyLight, I kinda see your point, and maybe we can applaud MS to have a vision. But at the same time, I think Kinect also showed there is no big market for such a peripheral to justify its cost. Kinect games have their market, but pretty much none of those games make any profit. But yet, those would recoupe the $500M investment somehow. They don't, what's left is it's a marketing write off, not much more.

Well, maybe it requires someone like MS to brute force hold on to the concept. Because it needs a lot of cash to burn before this can really become the cash cow of your product. And I still can't see that you would just get the console because it has this over exciting experience.

At the same time, they can't be so wrong, because Sony updates the Eye and includes it with every console. With much less investment, though. And as an option. The strategy behind this I can see. It is to take the wind out of MS sails. If it is just enough to claim a "me too" it takes this extra selling point away from MS.

By not making this a priority Sony can claim the "hard core" (and they do) and second, they can also claim a "me, too" should this be required (and third, they can actually claim the hard core motion crowd because of the precision of the Move - which nobody else has).

We will see, but the more and more we know, I am curious to see how MS can actually sell a more expensive to produce console (Kinect 2 certainly costs more than Eye3) under the PS4 price. They could simply take a bigger hit.

MS won't get ahead of Sony this time, I suspect. Not saying that Sony will take this away, though. Unless this buzz is any indication...

princejb1341277d ago

im pretty sure microsoft will bring something new that will wow all of us
yea ps4 sounds awesome and im buying one but im also interested on microsoft new console