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What Will Microsoft Learn From The Wii U And PS4?

The Wii U is on sale, the PlayStation 4 has been officially announced. Now all eyes turn to Microsoft, the last of the big three to premiere a new console.

decrypt1165d ago

Ultra Low end - low end, low cost hardware is the way to go for next gen.

CouldHaveYelledUiiW1165d ago

I kind of agree,

If Microsoft created a system that was more powerful than the WiiU but they sold it at a loss that made it cheaper than the WiiU-

They could leave Sony out in the Cold... for ports.

It would be less profitable to port to PS4 than the WiiU and XB720.

Sure, Sony would get PC ports but their has been a decrease in PC ports.
And Sony has great 2nd Party and 1st Party IPs but again that can only get you so far- esp if you are already selling systems at a loss.

But I have NO Sony-hate or Microsoft-hate. I love Nintendo, But I wish them All the Best.
E3!!!!!!!

SandWitch1165d ago

Wii U is also sold at a loss. That big-arse controller is probably not that cheap.

CouldHaveYelledUiiW1165d ago (Edited 1165d ago )

@GynGa

EDIT: I Agreed with you-
I was Not the one who pushed Disagree.

You are right-
And I was not saying otherwise.
(I can only conclude that you inferred this so due to Console Wars mantra "Nintendo never sell at a loss".)

I Said:

"If Microsoft created a system that was more powerful than the WiiU but they sold it-
- "at a loss>>>>>THAT MADE IT CHEAPER than the WiiU-"

Yes, WiiU is sold at a loss,
However, Sony and Microsoft can sell at a Bigger loss, more than Nintendo.
That's ALL that I am saying.

Selling at a loss has never (necessarily) been a bad thing-
In the Past,
Repeating that last Gen-Mantra was more about defending Nintendo in the face of unreasonable Trolls.

NewMonday1165d ago

after all the silly talk about no physical PS4 in the show, the internet will explode if MS don't show a box at their event.

Kingthrash3601165d ago

@newmonday
...or implode if the specs dont surpass of matchup. ..

wastedcells1165d ago

Honestly for the first time I'm not at all interested in what Microsoft has to say. I'm giving up on them. Even if they come out with a great launch game I'm not buying a 720 for years. Wait for a price drop and more than a couple good exclusives.

MikeMyers1165d ago

They need to look at all prior systems and how the public responded to them, including their own. What do consumers really want? Forums don't always show that.

dcbronco1165d ago

The Wii U is not sold at a loss.

http://gonintendo.com/?mode...

Nintendo doesn't do that. Plus the parts are all really old parts with modifications. That is never expensive. Anyone can go out and buy separate parts that would kill the Wii U. It's not like they have tried to push the envelope on technology for CPUs and GPUs.

CouldHaveYelledUiiW1165d ago

@Dcbronco
>I am very pro Nintendo but I want people to know the situation so that we/YOU, as fans will make an effort to buy more games.

Your link is to an article that came out before WiiU's launch April 2012.
This one is from November 2012:

http://www.joystiq.com/2012...

(Joystick's Source was Mercury News, here is the link:
http://www.mercurynews.com/...

"So says Nintendo of America president Reggie Fils-Aime, who in an interview with Mercury News played down how his company's latest system is selling for a loss at launch.

"The business model doesn't change dramatically," said Fils-Aime. "In that as soon as we get the consumer to buy one piece of software, then that entire transaction becomes profit positive. In the end, the business model is still to drive the install base of hardware, and then to drive a strong tie ratio with all of the other software and experiences for the consumer. And if we're able to do that, then we will create significant profit for the company."

Iwata later clarifies that it takes a little more that 1 game purchases but Reggie was not far-off.
So for the 1st time, Nintendo is selling at a loss, not much but they are doing it.

AGAIN, I have no problem with any system selling at a loss and Definitely no Problem with my Nintendo.
So, don't make me explaining the Truth to you (Dcbronco) as Nintendo bashing.

Donnieboi1165d ago

Wii U is not even a threat to either of them. Nobody is leaving Sony in the cold, even if 720 and Wii U are cheaper. Know why? Because hardcore gamers want hardcore games. Casuals have already moved onto phone games so the low price wont mean squat to them if they dont intend on buying home consoles anyway. But I hear that even many xbox and nintendo fans are coming over to Sony. Because Sony knows what REAL gamers want.

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shutUpAndTakeMyMoney1165d ago

I think they are still thinking about the wii.

greenpowerz1165d ago

How to lose dominance after being dominant?

Oh I kid...

Outside_ofthe_Box1165d ago (Edited 1165d ago )

How can you learn to lose dominance when you were never dominant...? Oh I kid...

fsfsxii1165d ago

@greenpowerz
You just got owned, stop commenting now please

Blackdeath_6631165d ago

whats the point of a new console if the hardware is lowend? might aswell keep your 360 then if you want a low cost console.stupid comment. hardware needs to progress if MS dosent make a strong console it will hold the industry back and devs will be less keen to develop for a weak console. it holds the devs back on the things they accomplish it holds the technology back and everyone with it.

Stroke6661165d ago

it does not holddevs back, wat holds devs back is graphics whores asking for graphics graphics graphics and not game play. being able to lean on the crutch of the technology can't yet make my vision come to life mean while then releasing the same ol shit wit new shine when the tech is there is what holds them back. 8 bit games 16 bit games and so on didnt have the technology but made legendary shit people still play today. the graphics increase was more like a perk in those days not a necessary muse to be innovative and creative. dont get me wrong a lowend system would have to have a shitload of games that arte just purely crack to sell in todays market given all the graphics whores and society's fad addiction. but if the industry was brought back to when a game just simply had to be fun in order to sell then that would rock

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MasterCornholio1165d ago

That developers are extremely happy with the way that the PS4 is designed. Which is why Microsoft should aim for a similar hardware design otherwise like with the PS3 and the 360 developers will have problems porting a game from one platform to the other.

Microsoft has to increase the speed of the ram to Match the PS4s otherwise developers will run into bandwidth issues which will bottleneck the system much like the unconventional ram configuration of the PS3.

Jek_Porkins1165d ago

One thing about the Xbox and Xbox 360 is that they were both easy hardware to work with, Microsoft is a software company at heart and this is the reason.

The next Xbox will obviously be close to PC so that it is easy to work on and code for. Since I believe 8 gigs of Ram is overkill and probably wont be used for years to come, it doesn't matter the speed of the Ram for the next Xbox. DDR5 isn't a ton faster than DDR3, if we are to believe that is what the next Xbox uses, they could switch it up since Sony came out and announced what they have.

While Microsoft couldn't change the chipset, they could easily swap memory with 10 months till launch.

Even Jack Tretton of Sony said they aren't finished with the end specs or design of the PS4, so we will just have to wait until Microsoft reveals what they have in April.

IcicleTrepan1165d ago

People forget most PC games don't get made without Microsoft Software.. from Windows to Direct X to Visual Studio.. they made it all. And if a developer knows how to make games on PC they can make games on Xbox they just have to port their code to use a bit different API for the various Xbox specific services etc. That's why they won so many 3rd parties over to do multiplat with them. Easy and cheap to release on Xbox 360 and I wouldn't expect anything less of the new Xbox.

Ju1165d ago (Edited 1165d ago )

The "Durango" leaks were quite specific ( http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... ) and taken from that report, pretty much everything what was said about the PS4 was accurate, I expect most of the next XBox design to be closest to true.

If so, however, this is a significant more complicated platform to work with. MS is a OS company and with that I'd expect them to hide most of that away from the developers; but I am curious to see, how they can actually hide away the fact that the RAM is paged and must be mapped into a linear space and EDRAM swapping can be invisible to the developer. At the same time, developers tend prefer to have access to the platform specifics and I would imagine that games pushing the envelope on the Durango would have custom code to max out EDRAM bandwidth.

But taking this into account, it will be significantly cheaper to develop for the PS4. Which gives you a linear bank of high speed memory - to make this clear - the total 8GB GDDR5 have the same bandwidth as the EDRAM in the Durango! No tricks with memory mapping, no tricks with swapping memory (texture tiling), no tricks to maximize EDRAM.

It will require devs to have proper tools to optimize textures on the Durango while on the PS4 you can simply drop them in. We'll see. But given the information we have, the situation is quite reversed. PS4 will be easier to develop for (and is faster). But who knows. We might get a surprise soon.

Qrphe1165d ago (Edited 1165d ago )

PS4 and 720 are pretty much the same system with different ram and gpu from the looks of it. 720 should be as easy to develop.
However, if the rumors are indeed true, the 720 will be visibly underpowered.

But let's remember that Microsoft has a policy that let's them reject a multiplat that looks considerably better than the competition (I wonder WHY they have it).

xursz1165d ago

So Microsoft would in theory make a weak system and force developers to downgrade my version so that Xbox's doesn't look like crap in comparison?

That's just bull. It's going to make people pissed if xbox 720 doesn't match or exceed PS4 in power.

BLAKHOODe1165d ago

@xursz

I don't think it'll matter. Sony put it's specs out there and depending on how you look at it, that could be favorable to Microsoft. The 720 doesn't have to be as powerful as the PS4, just as the 360 wasn't as powerful as the PS3. Game developers are going to cater to BOTH consoles regardless, just as they have this current gen. Microsoft could make a slightly weaker console, enabling them to charge LESS than Sony will charge for the PS4, which would be in their favor. Multi-platformed games would still be equal in a lot of ways. Sony would only be able to take advantage of the extra power with it's own exclusives, which is basically what happened with the PS3.

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