Our Games Editor Marc weighs in on the loss of backwards compatibility in the new Playstation.
It's a very small price to pay for a console that is so powerful and easy to develop for. No matter what disappointment you may feel about this, this is a move to propel the gaming industry forward with a console that developers can make games on without the limits of passed gens
It didn't hurt the ps3 that much , people should be used to it. Just play it on your ps3. They have to keep cost down some how.
Exactly people act like there ps3 will magically disappear once the ps4 is released.
i will be done with my ps3 the second i buy my ps4. sad that i'm going to have to sell all my ps3 classics. i honestly wouldn't mind paying an extra $100 for BC.
Nail on the head, Abash
It will hurt those people that will need to trade in their PS3 to cover some of the purchase price of the PS4.
And if SONY added PS3 compatibility, the PS4 would cost more, off setting what they would get by selling the PS3, which would mean they would probably spend the same amount of money...
It won't hurt those people because the PS4 would cost more to make it backward compatible. So, now instead of trading towards a more expensive console, they can keep the PS3 and buy the PS4. Hardware based BC isn't free.
Maybe they will be nice and allow free cloud streaming of older games if you insert the old disk in the PS4 while playing. Surely it wouldn't be cost prohibitive to allow this. I don't have my hopes up though. I think this would be as acceptable as true BC even though it would require an internet connection.
To be honest half of the same people complaining about backwards compatible on the PS4, complained about the price of the PS3 at $599 abd it had backwards compatibles. Sony cut the backwards compatibility for the PS3 among other things to lower the price and everyone was happy. Now its that time again and I don't it should matter and if sony learn anything from last gen is make the system at launch affordable. Honestly no one really used their backwards compatibility on the PS3. I know i didn't.
I had two launch 60Gig consoles and all I ever played was GOW 1&2 never bothered after that. BC is a non issue to me, still have my launch PS2 upstairs and have no plans to get rid of my current PS3. Besides current games are designed to run on a totally different architecture to PS4 and for the first year or so companies will release two versions.
@ Haz- same here. i think that I only used my PS3 to play Shadow of the Collosus ( before the HD version came out )...and thats it.
I think it has to do more of the used market industry than Sony. Publishers said time and time again they don't like second hand sales. So Sony is adapting to buissness by streaming it through the cloud for a fee. In honestly, MS will follow suit. I believe the 720 won't be BC also. They hired the team that recently worked with Onlive (after getting shutdown) to further assist and manage MS cloud gaming offerings. So both Sony and MS will make people pay for their BC, Just to make the publishers happy.
The 360 already has a pc-like architecture, there's no reason why the next xbox shouldn't be backward compatible or at least have SOME backward compatibility. Sony's new system is in a completely new boat though. I'll be keeping my PS3 around, especially for all those titles that have yet to be seen and my psn and ps+ downloads.
With the streaming service most people will be able to play the PS3 games that way. It was alluded to in the conference that way.
they can't have backwards compatibility unless they have some form of the ps3's cell cpu inside the ps4 that can run the ps3 games. the reason that one model of the ps3 was backward compatible was because it had the emotion engine cpu from the ps2 in it. the only other two options is some form of emulator or online streaming. i don't see why people want an expensive ps4 with a ps3 in it when they can just have a cheaper ps4 and keep the ps3 they are so fond of. the only case of when it is easily possible was if the ps3 and ps4 had the same cpu but people keep saying they want stronger consoles and that's exactly what they are getting
Well for me, before this little known knowledge was brought to the fore, I would've have like BC only because so I can get rid of me PS3 and games and move on to the new system without wishing I could play my old titles on the PS4 like I was for the PS3 when the 40/80GB models starting coming out but with the inclusion of Gaikai and PSN allowing us gamers to repurchase some of our old titles as it were for the PS3 like Metal Gear Solid and others I'm happy with what Sony is bringing to us in a cheaper more affordable product.
There's this thing called a sentence. You might want to check it out. I hear they're really popular.
That was my sentence it just came out as a paragraph.
Sure just shove in PS3 parts into the PS4 and see how much the price will go up. If i want to play PS3 games i have my PS3 for that so theres no need to worry for me. Plus if you dont own a PS3 and are getting the PS4 just take into account that many devs will create a PS4 version of a PS3 game. Best example of this are games like watch dogs.
One thing that sucks about this is the new PS4 features that I'd like to use on PS3 games. I'd LOVE to be able to record playback of some PS3 games and have it instantly uploaded without all the hassle that comes with doing that today. If they created a higher cost version that included a cell for full backward compatibility I'd probably go for it. As long as it kept all the PS4 features an didnt limit itself to some "PS3 mode" like ps3s currently do (no xmb access during PS1/PS2 disc-based games.)
Why don't you just tape your ps3 to your ps4? That way your ps4 can play ps3 games.
Your logic is flawed.
Yeah, that would make it a PS7 and that's too powerful.
Nothing a little duct tape can't handle.
Most importantly; Is the ps3 a top or a bottom? I'm afraid that if it is a bottom, then it will explode when the ps4 is turned on.
Funny to say this but you COULD preform a hardware mode that would integrate two consoles into one unit. It probably wouldn't look very nice though.
with x86 acpu architecture it should be easy to set up epsxe on you ps4. I dont sony will allow this though.
lol yeah that isn't happening
ummm...don't forget that the Cell architecture is not an x86 cpu. Games developed on cell would need to be completely re-developed with the x86 architecture and to take full advantage of the amount of RAM and all the new tech inside the PS4. It's not as easy to just provide a software update for every PS3 game to be played on the PS4, as the file size to put that out on the network would be about the size of a complete new game, so it wouldn't make sense. However, with Gaikai, and being able to put those files and that data in the cloud and have the cloud encode/compress/decompress PS1, PS2, PS3 games to the PS4, as David Perry mentioned in the PS Meeting, it will be possible to do that, once their PS Cloud network infrastructure is up and running. (Only question is whether or not you will have to re-buy the game if you currently own it to play it on PS4 or not)
It'll be nice if you could sell your PS3 games, like say Uncharted, to Gamestop and what Gamestop will do is give you a PSN code/s that will allow you download the same titles that you've sold to GS on to your PS4. All without repurchasing them.
Imagine the drop in sales the PS3 will get if they aanounce PS3 bc now. Most people will then be waiting for the PS4.
It's hard to say. When the PS3 was announced in 2005, it didn't launch until 2006. PS2 sales went up from 2005 to 2006. From 2006 to 2007, PS2 sales slipped about 12% and from 2007 to 2008 they dropped only about 3% before finally falling off by half between 2008/2009 and then levelling off. It's a far different trend then what we saw happen with Wii sales and with 360 sales as of late, which have seen sales dramatically slow unlike the PS3 which only experienced slight year over year decreases in 2012 compared to it's competition. When looking back at the PS2/PS3 start, there's no drop in PS2 sales after the PS3 was announced and then only a slight drop during the first 2 years the PS2 was selling alongside the PS3. I can certainly see how you'd think people would hold off on purchasing a PS3 in favour of the PS4, but historically it didn't happen with the PS2/PS3, and the PS3 was more or less on par with the PS2's launch figures for almost 2 years despite the high price point, until the recession hit in 2008. Who knows what this will do to PS3 sales this year. My guess is that sales will continue to slow, but I doubt "most people" will be holding back their purchase of the system. If you're just considering getting onboard the PS3 now it's because the price is attractive to you. A new, more expensive console coming at Christmas isn't going to alter that purchasing decision. More likely the initial PS4 owners will be existing PS3 owners looking to upgrade.
Bet ya the next XBOX will have it... Especially since its next iteration should be based on the same architecture.
Never thought about it like that, but I doubt it. If it increases the price, the new Xbox will be too expensive. Everyone who wants a new Xbox is FORCED into paying for Kinect, whether they like it or not (the console has been built around the Kinect, so whether or not you are receiving a Kinect is beside the point). At this point, who cares about the new Xbox? Right now, it is all PS4. Unless MS prove me otherwise (I highly doubt it) when they reveal their console.
If i want to play ps3 games ill play them on my ps3...its not like my ps3 is going to stop working when I get a ps4. I don't see why people get so upset over stuff like this.
I have three ps3 in my house they better be used for somethung when I get my ps4, oh yeah playing ps3 games. I had. lauch 80 gig phat and didnt use it to play ps2 games.
im fine with it.. I dont plan to play my old games plus im sure there will be enhanced HD collections in 1080/60fps as well as gaikai if u have internet to play ps1-ps4 games on vita.. Im wondering if ps plus annual prices will increase tho.. u already get free games with it so im sure that wont change nx gen either
If they can make Gakai and PS4 allow you to stream for FREE the PS3 games you already have then problem solve. Maybe they can implement a system in which you register said PS3 game you own to your PSN account. Or if you insert a PS3 game into the PS4, it will recognize it and automatically begin streaming the game.
I'm strongly thinking with no extra dev cost going to making it bc and Sony not custom making the parts this time like they did with the cell, we could very well see a $350 to $399 launch price. Instead of the $600 we saw back in 06. Hell Sony may even shock us all and show the price for the low end model at $299. If they can do that, ill know alot of happy consumers.
what if sony allowed you to put your ps3 disc on the ps4 and to be verified that you have bought the game via gaikai so that you can stream the ps3 game for free
What if Sony allowed you to put your ps1/ps2 disc on ps3 and give you the ps1/ps2 classic version on ps3 psn for free? That doesn't work now, why would it work next gen?
That's a really good point. Best to hope the streaming service will be subscription based. I wouldn't like paying per title to stream, but a subscription to the entire available catalogue could be an amazing dealdeal.
The lack of backwards compalibitly is a bummer for sure. I was hoping for the feature, but not expecting it. I'm already beginning to dread the fact that I will be stacking a ps4 on top of my ps3, which is already stacked on top of my ps2. Not to mention my entertainment center is already compacted to the max with my dreamcast, nes, snes, genesis, dreamcast, wii, wiiu, xbox, 360 and soon to be xbox 720. Its getting a little ridiculous for me that I need all that hooked up at one time just to grab a game off my shelf and start playing. I was hoping by now I could start condensing everything to one machine or device per company, but doesnt look that way. I'm still holding out that Microsoft will pull it off. That way I can throw out the 360 and original xbox. Hopefully they can do it right this time. I'm glad they added the feature to 360, but a mass majority of the big titles were unplayable. I really need to get another tv or something. So many consoles on one tv is overwhelming. Oh well though, not really a complaint, but it would be pretty nice to have an all in one machine.
It was a necessary to kick off and take advantage of Gaikai. If I can't pop in a PS3 disc and play, but I can log in and play everything from PS1-4 then it was Very worth it. The only part that concerns me is the pricing plan to do this. If its part of or just a few bucks more then PS+ currently, then I'm sold.
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