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Tretton On MS: “We’ve Sold the Same, if not More”, “We’re Trying to Say We’re All About the Gamers”

With everyone gearing up for the next big console war, tensions are rising between Microsoft and Sony.
-PSLS (Jack Tretton, PS3, PS4, Xbox 360, Xbox One)

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Foolsjoker  +   1085d ago
Bring the games!
TheThirdMan   1085d ago | Spam
Root  +   1085d ago | Well said
This is why I like Sony they always think about gamers while others latley think too much about money. I mean Sony is a business and they are obviously interested in money aswell but after their little financial situation they could of easily forced casual crap down our throats and charged for the online but they didn't, they stayed true to what gaming is about.

I have to admit I like Jack aswell, he's a fantastic speaker at conferences...even when he's going on about sales and other boring details about the company and the PS3 you still manage to keep up with him without falling asleep.

As people would say about Ace Rimmer

"What a guy"
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Death  +   1085d ago

Sony used their Playstation fanbase to secure Blu-ray as the dominant format over HD-DVD. None of the promises of Blu-ray that benefits gamers came true. The "Cell" was also a marketing term that never had an impact on games or gamers. Sony traded marketshare in the gaming market for Blu-ray sales. The entire year they lost to Microsoft was due to Blu-ray laser issues.

I see the same thing with PS4 specs. Promises of what can be with nothing to back it up. The Vita is a great handheld full of possibility but very low on support. What assurances do we have as gamers that devs will utilize the potential either next gen system has?

I've been around for every console launch since the 70's. The cycle is always the same. Impressive specs and a tease or two about the possible future wrapped in fancy marketing terms.
NeverEnding1989  +   1085d ago

You gotta realize that SONY cares just as much about money as every other company does. Actually they probably care more about it since they've been losing so much of it lately.

The PS4 needs to pull in Xbox 360 kind of money if there's any hope of seeing a PS5 one day.
Septic  +   1085d ago

They weren't always doing this. With the PS3 they basically tried to do what MS is purported to be doing next gen and that's focus on entertainment as a whole, not just gaming. The shift in catering for gamers really happened in the latter part of the PS3's life cycle.

This strategy works financially for the company too.
That-Guy  +   1085d ago


On topic, Microsoft needs to step it up. Last few years haven't been hot and Sony's still thriving to deliver.
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ANIALATOR136  +   1085d ago
nice Red Dwarf quote sir
gaffyh  +   1085d ago
@Death - "None of the promises of Blu-ray that benefits gamers came true".

Actually, that's not true at all, because there is nothing available on any current gen system that looks anywhere near as good as the Uncharted franchise, God of War 3 or MGS4, and a big part of that is the fact that 1, they are exclusive and can therefore utilise the system to full advantage, and 2, they haven't had to cut content due to lack of disc space.

Secondly, you can't compare a handheld with a home console in terms of support. PS4 will be supported much more than Vita. And PS4 is too close to release for the specs to change, so everything you're saying is a bit unrealistic.
mcstorm  +   1085d ago
@gaffyh I have to disagree Gears 3, Halo 4 and Forza 4 were up there with the games you said. and Root was right sony tried to do what they did with the PS2 and Make its media becomes the most used. But MS knew that the world was looking to go down the digital root and left Sony playing catch-up in that department. For me Sony dropped the ball in a big way with the PS3 the hardware and software they used was looked at all wrong and if you look at the PS4 you can tell they noticed that and made massive changes.

Every company makes mistakes in its products but what makes ones a success of a company is the ones that take those mistakes and makes sure they don't make them again and with the PS4 it looks like they are doing this.
JoGam  +   1085d ago | Funny

Nothing, just wanted to say ur name.
MikeMyers  +   1085d ago

The reason things were so heated between the Xbox and Playstation community is because of how close they are to gamers. People act like Killzone 3 is so much better than Halo 4 on a technical level, same with Forza and Gran Turismo. They aren't. This isn't like a high end PC compred to the PS3 or is it like the Wii to the Xbox 360. It's much more minor. In fact the gap in technical capabilities between the original Xbox and the PS2 were higher. But the problem was the PS2 was such a dominant console that developers didn't often use that extra horsepower or the hard drive advantages. So it's awfully convenient of Sony fans to talk about how the PS3 is so much more powerful and how games were dumbed down for it because of the Xbox 360. They are already talking about how the PS4 might get dumbed down ports because the next Xbox might not be as powerful. It goes on and on between Sony fans and Xbox fans. It really is getting tiresome. If they really want the best they would be supporting the PC more in the first place.

I also have to laugh that forum analysts think Microsoft will just come out with a bunch of Kinect games on the next Xbox and perhaps a new Forza and Halo and call it a day. All this optimism for Sony but rarely for Microsoft. It's been like that from Sony fans since the original Xbox came out.

The original Xbox got Microsoft in the door in a very competitive market. Then with the Xbox 360 they took marketshare away from Sony and created parity among the two. No longer does Sony have that upper hand anymore with key franchises from 3rd party publishers that make up the bulk of each systems history. This has forced Sony to deliver more with their own internal developers. We have seen that not all of them have become success stories while we watch Sony invest lots of money and not always getting returns back.

Both the PS4 and the next Xbox will have favorable userbases to get them started. Neither really has much of an advantage over the other. The forums are not a great place to have a placeholder on how these new systems will do. You will always have your loyal fanbase in total support but that doesn't really mean much at the end of the day. A perfect example is the Vita. Great system, very loyal fanbase but the sales just aren't there to back it up.

Microsoft has taken advantage of the casual gamer and the hardcore gamer. Now it is in their best interest to gather support from all aspects of gaming. Just like how Sony is now doing and emphasizing social gaming. It's all coming full circle where we can have game systems that can appeal to all types of gamers. From AAA games like Killzone and Halo to smaller games like Journey and Fez to games like Wonderbook and Kinect Sesame Street. The hardcore gamers are just going to have to accept casual gamers. They will also have to accept social gaming. There's just too much money for both companies to simply ignore. But yes, Microsoft does need to strike a better balance. I think they needed to be very aggressive with Kinect in order to make sure they can capture that audience. The Playstation Move by comparison is a great product that had terrible support and terrible marketing. You can see Sony is still trying to push that as well. So hopefully they can get more success with it and hopefully Microsoft isn't too aggressive with Kinect going forward. It's about balance.
inveni0  +   1085d ago
Sony caters to the hardcore because that's where the LASTING money is at. Nintendo thought they could release WiiU and have it be another great console because of the Wii name, but casual gaming is a fad. Sony knows that casual gaming could disappear in an instant. (And even if it doesn't, who wants to make games that sell for $0.99 each?) But the hardcore gamer will always be there, willing to spend $500 on a console, willing to spend $60 on a game (in many cases, even before the game is released).

Their care for the gamer is not altruistic. It is a business model designed to last beyond passing fads. Even as we speak, my interest in casual games has dwindled. I haven't visited the App Store in weeks. Casual gaming just doesn't interest me anymore...and I can't be the only one.
blackbeld  +   1085d ago

"We look at the market in worldwide terms, and every market is extremely important to us. The facts are, we debuted the PlayStation 3 at $599, which was an extremely steep price barrier for a lot of consumers. And we debuted a year after Microsoft, but on a worldwide basis, we’ve sold the same, if not more, devices. I think we’re at 77 million sold right now — it’s basically splitting hairs. Despite all that, our message has been extremely well-received around the world."

But the xbox fanboys are still in denial. LOL
Jockamo  +   1085d ago
Nice post MikeMeyers. Insightful and fair. Personally, I think the Xbox needs to introduce something new to the market. I was honestly surprised to see how conservatively the PS4 has been developed. Yes graphics are important, but w/ dimishing appeal as years, even months pass by. I think they needed to show something that makes the PS4 more unique than the PS3. There's more to it than just appeasing a fanbase, although the more hardcore audience appreciates the attention. However, it's also about appealing to people who are not gamers. Getting people to try something new. Turning the industry on its head and taking risks. I understand Sony is in a financial position that wouldn't allow flexibility in features that perhaps Nintendo has had. Nintendo took a big risk w/ the Wii and has taken another big risk w/ the WiiU. Sony isn't taking that much of a risk, imo. Maybe that's what the market needs at the moment--who can tell. I agree w/ you, though, that a more aggressive Kinect plan must be the next step. I want to see MS on stage show something we've never seen before. Something that will make us see how games can change our perception of "video games." Personally, if they are serious about it, a room projection system would really turn the industry on its head. I know it's a lofty ideal, but I think a step needs to be taken to get people out of their tvs. Occulus Rift would also be another awesome idea. Just something that will make this next generation memorable. No more tacked on peripherals. MS needs a plan from the beginning and I think they are in a great position to take a risk.
Godmars290  +   1085d ago
"@gaffyh I have to disagree Gears 3, Halo 4 and Forza 4 were up there with the games you said."

And all of those games have technical issues because the XBox used DVD. Issues which the system's fan camp denies while they insist that BR wasn't needed.

"and Root was right sony tried to do what they did with the PS2 and Make its media becomes the most used. But MS knew that the world was looking to go down the digital root and left Sony playing catch-up in that department."

Um, MS was well capable of doing exactly what Sony did with the PS2 to make the Xbox a go to media device, simply allow it to play movie DVDs, but they didn't. And because they made an early mistake which kept them from directly modding their own system the kit solution was less than an improvement. Likewise as much as may want to make MS's move to digital entertainment a thing, the fact remains that through they had Netflix first, The PS3 became the #1 platform for the service.

Whenever MS and Sony are on equal levels, Sony tends to be better, possibly because they're more concerned about their customers and audience, rather than themselves.

That's going to be the thing when MS makes their move with Xbox3: if they try to make/force rather than read a trend, go after the general consumer with a cable box you have to pay more for rather than gamers with games, they're going to fail.
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Syntax-Error  +   1085d ago
Are people that insane.
Do you people really think MS is going to show up at E3 with another Halo, Forza, and Kinect game and call it a show? Please remember that Wednesday night was not a show or an video game conference, it was Sony's press conference. THAT'S IT! Sony called a special meeting to make announcements and that was all. Why don't you sit down somewhere and wait for E3 to see what the other companies are going to release. If Sony wants to blow their load this early, that's up to them. Showing me a controller to a system that has yet to be seen doesn't get my dick hard. Hearing that Diablo III is going to be on PS3 doesn't garner a cheering section. Both systems are going to amaze everyone, so saying SONY is in the lead or what can MS bring to table is just fanboy rhetoric. Sit the hell down and wait. How the hell is Sony in full force by issuing a press conference months ahead of E3? If I announce the Iron Man movie 5 months before The Justice League movie, does it mean the Iron Man is going to be a better movie? #GROWUP
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gaffyh  +   1085d ago
@mcstorm - Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but owning and having played all of the games you mentioned, they do not look as good as the games I mentioned on PS3. Sure they look good, but Halo 4 is nowhere near the level of something like Uncharted. If you have eyes, then it's just a fact. And I'm not saying this in a fanboy way, I'm just saying that I don't think GOW3 or Uncharted could be done on 360 hardware, no matter who was developing for the system.

Which would therefore prove that the PS3 hardware was needed for these games. Which is what Death was trying to disprove.
Skip_Bayless  +   1084d ago
International Data Corporation says 77 million PS3s as of January 2013 and 360 sales on wiki is 75.9 million on Microsoft's earnings release.

So basically this generation is a tie. The Wii doesn't count. PS4 has been annouced so officially the current gen is over. It's no longer fair to continue the console war sales because there will be less people buying the PS3 for the fact that PS4 is coming out.
Temporary  +   1084d ago
Sony's PS3 isnt going anywhere, so this gen is still very much alive. I understand with the announcement of PS4 PS3 sales will the wayh i see it sony won this gen.
EVILDEAD360  +   1084d ago
'International Data Corporation says 77 million PS3s as of January 2013 and 360 sales on wiki is 75.9 million on Microsoft's earnings release.'

Just look at the Company quarterly sales reports. Sony doesnt report the PS3 alone anymore. So they started intermingling the PS2 with the PS3 sales.

PS3 + PS2 Q4 = 6.8

70.2 end of September (previous 6 months including PS2) + 6.8m = 77m.

So like Jack said it's basically a wash, but until they seperate the sales we won't know exactly what was shipped.

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AngelicIceDiamond  +   1085d ago
I love this Competition is good. Hopefully MS answers back soon, Lets go MS. Sony's in FULL force right now.
Cueil  +   1085d ago
shhh... people on here don't want competition they want Sony to be the only console manufacturer
pixelsword  +   1084d ago
@ cueil

Not so.

No company would be as good as they are if there wasn't competition. Competition is essential for great tech and games.
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Walker  +   1085d ago
It has begun !
MrWonderful  +   1085d ago
Mortal Kombat!
unknownhero1123  +   1085d ago
*dances to mortal kombat music*

on that note, I want to see what microsoft has to offer. I'm wondering if the no used games and the always online rumor are true. If it was, it wouldn't surprise me and it will deter me from getting the next xbox. hell, they make you pay for a gold service for services that are free everywhere else and some demos need the gold service as well. I also hope they have a better dashboard because the current one they have is laggy as heck.
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whamlollypop7  +   1085d ago
Here here!!!
otherZinc  +   1085d ago
Tretton's lying again:

If the PS3 were the world sales leader, That would've been said at the beginning of that conference. The Shareholders would have loved to hear that! That's what they want to hear.

In Front Of The Shareholders that were present!
That's Binding!

Dont say it in the shadows where it isn't binding.
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GrandTheftZamboni  +   1084d ago
I think you're lying. Where did Tretton say PS3 was the world sales leader?
pixelsword  +   1084d ago
@ zinc:

I think it's too close to call.
showtimefolks  +   1085d ago
I am with him, I like this more aggressive sony.

i want some TC commercials like Crash series where he was standing outside Nintendo offices lol

MS's execs talk all the crap yet show more crappy kinect games. so if you are gonna talk than back that up

now with all the bells and whistles of PSN for ps4 what will be the excuse for MS to charge and sony to offer free services?

ps4 is a console for gamers and developers and that's what i want
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Bumpmapping  +   1085d ago
Playstation 4 Life
Nykamari  +   1085d ago
Did you steal that from me? I used that on YouTube last night on KZ Shadow Fall vid. Nice quote though!
Megaton  +   1085d ago | Funny
Yeah, you're the first person to say that, and he stole it from you.
DigitalxPiracy  +   1085d ago
@Megaton lmao
Reverent  +   1085d ago
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LOGICWINS  +   1085d ago
"We look at the market in worldwide terms, and every market is extremely important to us."

Good answer.
miDnIghtEr20C_SfF  +   1084d ago
Well, USA is the most important out of all of them in the World... wonder why he didn't comment on sales in the USA. ;)

Interesting to see him say Xbox Trojan Horsed it's way... I seem to remember my PS3 coming with Spider-Man 3 Blu-ray... and NOT a video game for my video game console I bought. Strange that their was a Bluray player in every PS3, and then Blu ray wins the format war. Talk about Trojan Horsed in. If anything, PS3 trojan horsed blu into everyone's lives.

Also ironic, that there's a problem with all entertainment for the console now. I seem to remember a tag line Sony used to say proudly... "It only does everything"

Now of course, it's a problem that MS console is doing everything.
Sheikh Yerbouti  +   1084d ago
Sony is feeding off the fact that MS doesn't really try to cover breadth of gamer preferences itself, leaving that to 3rd parties. Their main focus is whoring Kinect to casuals and LIVE to MP shooters.

Despite its own concerns as well as a crap economic situation (more so in Japan than US), they deliver on new IP. Sony, likely due to being a Japanese firm, knows the world culture of gaming more, or at least respects it more.

We get an Ico or Heavy Rain from a Sony, not Microsoft. Regardless of which one you like, this is a real difference between companies, and why Move is less a failure in Sony's eyes than Kinect is in Ballmer's, whose shareholders are still of a society that largely stigmatizes gaming and even fear it. It has taken a lot of earned revenue from LIVE and Halo for 360 to legitimize its position in Microsoft's portfolio. So that is all you can expect, I guess.
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TrendyGamers  +   1085d ago | Well said
As far as I remember, PS3 is outselling Xbox 360 worldwide.
TheThirdMan   1085d ago | Spam
BitbyDeath  +   1085d ago
EDIT: Nevermind, seems i wrote the same as the header...
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omi25p  +   1085d ago
Actually we dont know.

Microsoft release actual sales numbers where as sony only release shipped numbers.

If sony where to release sales numbers we would know.
ThatXboxGuy  +   1085d ago
That same tired old excuse? Jesus christ lol.
MRMagoo123  +   1085d ago
derrrrrrrrrrrrp thats all i can say about your ignorant none factual comment omi25p
MysticStrummer  +   1085d ago
How long will people keep spouting this?
kneon  +   1085d ago

It will go on forever, never underestimate people's stupidity, they will always prove you wrong.

Companies don't track when each unit is sold to the end user, it's considered sold when it's shipped to a retailer or distributor.
kenshiro100  +   1085d ago
...Wow. Seriously?
TheRealHeisenberg  +   1084d ago
The funny thing is that the Sony fanboys used to say that Sony reported sold and MS reported shipped.
Deku-Johnny  +   1085d ago
And what is outselling PS3?
unknownhero1123  +   1085d ago
my forever alone machine aka the holodeck

(not invented yet but it will be!)
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alexcosborn  +   1085d ago
It's gonna get ugly!
LOGICWINS  +   1085d ago
"Plus, if you look at multimedia services, we’re the No. 1 streaming device when it comes to Netflix, not Xbox. They’re trying to — I don’t really know what they’re trying to do."

Jack be talkin dat smack =D
Riderz1337  +   1085d ago | Funny
Well Jack I'll tell you what they're trying to do. They're trying to rip people off by making them buy and Xbox gold membership and then they have to also pay for Netflix subscription. A subscription within a subscription.

iChii  +   1085d ago | Funny
Lmaaaoooo @ Riderz... Yo dawg I heard you like subscriptions! So we put a subscription on your subscriptions so you can subscribe while you subscribe!
Welcome2Die  +   1085d ago

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edonus   1085d ago | Spam
ABizzel1  +   1085d ago
I lol'ed when I saw that last night.

He's like "You know they're just trying to - I don't know what they h#!! they trying to do, but it's not true."
dbjj12088  +   1085d ago
Hey guys! Don't... don't forget about Nintendo! Guys?
LOGICWINS  +   1085d ago | Funny
Nintendo? Never heard of em. What do they sell? Peanut butter?
SonicRush15  +   1085d ago
That was funny.. =P
Y_5150  +   1085d ago
Riderz1337  +   1085d ago
Sony does what Nintendon't!

Lol I'm kidding people!
Studio-YaMi  +   1085d ago
I don't want SONY to end up like SEGA !

although at this pace they won't but even so
let's not jinx it ! :(
EbeneezerGoode  +   1085d ago
It will be Nintendo ending up like Sega at this rate!
kingmushroom  +   1085d ago
nintendo who?
MysticStrummer  +   1085d ago
I forgot about Nintendo several generations ago. They just don't bring the games I want to play for the most part. WiiU appears to be at least trying to reverse that trend, but I won't bother buying one with PS4 so near. I already have a current gen console I'm very happy with.
ABizzel1  +   1085d ago
Nintendo does whatever it wants. Sometimes it's casual supremacy, sometimes it's in La La land, and other times they're back on board with the casual. My relations with Nintendo was too up and down. I sit back and wait for them to get their $#!% together then we make-up :D

Sony will always be my one and only true love -.-

MS was my affair ;)

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G20WLY  +   1084d ago
Is that how you caught the "Red Ring of Death"?!

I... I took it too far, didn't I...? :/ *blushes*
ABizzel1  +   1084d ago

No, Xbox had that fixed before our affair. Still Clean :D
Deku-Johnny  +   1085d ago
You Nintendo haters are funny. They have the best selling console of all time, the best selling console of the 3rd, 4th and 7th gen. Sony fanboys and Microsoft fanboys go on about how much better Sony and MS are yet every gen those two copy Nintendo whether it's with motion controls (They made the Move/Kinect respectively after going on for ages before the consoles were released about how it'll never catch on, now Microsoft's favourite phrase is 'better with Kinect') or Sony sticking a touchpad on their new controller after seeing how great it is having a touchscreen.

@EbeneezerGoode, if anyone is doing a Sega anytime soon it's definitely Sony, Nintendo have enough money to flop for the next few genereations if Sony flopped with the PS4 they'd most likely have to stop making hardware.

Say what you want about Nintendo but without them Playstation and Xbox wouldn't exist.

Don't get me wrong, I know I sound like a Nintendo fanboy and/or Sony/MS hater I'm not. I love them all. If they make good hardware and software they're good with me but everything I have stated in my comment is a fact.
danny818  +   1085d ago
Ur stupid. Mad that Nintendo has shit of press right now? WiiU had little momentum to start with. Face it. U guys have a GameCube on your hands. And Nintendo knows it
Avernus  +   1085d ago
Let's see where the WiiU is in a couple years ;)
xursz  +   1085d ago
Agreed with above. Give Nintendo a chance. And Gamecube, despite low sales, it was a decent console. >:(
DeltaCanuckian  +   1084d ago
"They have the best selling console of all time"
Really? Because I'm pretty sure it's a well-known fact that the PS2 is the best selling console of all time.
MasterCornholio  +   1085d ago
Yeah my toilet clogged last night so i had to call Marios Bros plumbing service. You wont believe what they pulled out of the crapper. A giant tortoise with spikes on its shell that breathed fire.

Amazing right?

BTW i banged a dumb blond last night who always allows herself to get kidnapped by the same guy. Seriously what is up with her?

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Punch-o  +   1085d ago
Get 'em Jack!
IWentBrokeForGaming  +   1085d ago
Playstation IS about the GAMERS, this was made VERY apparent especially this gen when compared to their competition!
JeffGUNZ  +   1085d ago
Gears of War, Halo, Mass Effect, Forza, Fable, Alan Wake, Splinter Cell....No, those are not "GAMERS" games. Only Uncharted and Killzone count. Forgot that.
danny818  +   1085d ago
U forgot the most important ip... Destiny.
Oh wait....
TheLastGuardian  +   1085d ago
Is that it? You can play most of those franchises on PC, some even on PlayStation. I can name at least five times more PlayStation franchises that don't appear on other consoles or PC. It's not that Xbox doesn't have great games, PlayStation just has so much more to offer to gamers.
JeffGUNZ  +   1085d ago
Easy Sony Defense Force, I didn't put down the PS3, I just answered the guy above who insinuated no other console (xbox) had any gamer games. I own both PS3 (PSN: Jeffgunz) and 360 (cdxjeffgunz), so I am not picking sides, I am clearly stating that the 360 has great games. And no, there are plenty of other exclusives for the 360 but I mentioned the bigger dogs of the pack. Most of us will end up with both consoles next gen but the SDF is in full gear and it's pathetic. Most average gamers who are not the 100 people on this site, don't care about exclusives, they just play whatever looks fun. I'd much rather play COD then Crackdown and I'd much rather play Assassins Creed then crash bandicoot.

Everyone is so childish on this site, we all should be happy we have another great generation in store.
dantesparda  +   1085d ago
You gotta love the hypocrisy of fanboys, 360 fanboys like to call the Sony fanboys, the Sony Defense Force, like this guy aint part of the Microsoft Defense Force. There is no denying that MS took their focus of the hardcore and on to the casuals. And its also a fact that MS has less exclusives, PERIOD!!! Yet the MDF's act like its not true. Wake up fanboys, you's all act stupid!
JeffGUNZ  +   1085d ago
@ Dantesparda.

What part of any of my argument did I insult the PS3 or PS4 or the sony brand name? I am pro sony you moron. Can't you read? Look up PSN: Jeffgunz, you'll see me there. It's not being a fanboy, it's having both consoles and getting tired of each side crying and measuring virtual d*cks. The original person I replied to stated that ONLY SONY has GAMERS Games which is laughable. Any person who has played games as long as I or others can't honestly believe that. The fact that Zelda, Halo, Gears, Forza, are on the market and people don't recognize them as legit games is pure embarrassment. How you think I am a fanboy when I own and enjoy both consoles makes even less sense. Get off your high horse and purchase both consoles and enjoy as many great games as possible. Dante, you calling me a fanboy with your 2 bubbles is like hitler calling the pope a racist. Grow up.
Hicken  +   1084d ago
You listed a bunch of games that are on Xbox, but half of them are available elsewhere.


Then you list TWO games only available on PS3, implying that this is all the PS3 has to counter the list on 360.


Then you argue an insinuation that doesn't exist: that OP said Xbox didn't have any "gamer" games, which isn't even close to what was written.


Then you bring up "average gamers" as if you know what that constitutes, and what they'd want, and assume that they only care about multiplatform games.


Then you put forth your own opinion and insinuate that Call of Duty is more fun than Crackdown(I disagree, at least where the first Crackdown is concerned) and that Assassin's Creed is more fun than Crash Bandicoot(here, I also disagree, as the AC series has never really appealed to me) and that this is some sort of fact.


Then you call everyone on the site childish after YOU intentionally took something the wrong way and ran with it, calling down this little shit storm; ironically, you don't realize that you're the most childish one here.


Seems like, all around, everything you said was pretty dumb.
dantesparda  +   1084d ago

Talk about sensitive! And i do own a 360 and have since Nov 22nd of 2005. Now who's the moron? So get off your defensive high horse, douche!
JeffGUNZ  +   1082d ago
@ Hicken,

Says the guy with one bubble.
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Nykamari  +   1085d ago
You guys/gals are funny!
majiebeast  +   1085d ago
Jack Tretton classy as ever.


You came out of your cave to spread the negativity for M$?
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horndog  +   1085d ago
Sony is gearing up to lose more of the market share like they did this gen.
cannon8800  +   1085d ago | Well said
And Microsoft is gearing up to steal even more money from their loyal fans! Even better!
omi25p  +   1085d ago
Stealing? That last i looked people are doing it willingly not at bloody gun point, pleb.
RioKing  +   1085d ago | Well said
^The last I looked, some people are effing stupid and just use their parents' credit card to pay for Xbox Live...they'd rather pay for shit they could have for free.

"But bu bu but they have HALO and Sony doesn't. My mommy will pay for it anyways.."

...but what do I know, I only work in the electronics department at a VERY popular store where we sell xbox live cards, games, etc daily...
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Bigkurz85  +   1085d ago
doubtful. not surprised you have one bubble.

Despite nearly everything going wrong with its launch and it coming a year later than 360, the ps3 is now essentially tied with 360 worldwide.

yet for some reason, xbots continue to call it a "flop." whatever.

ps4 is clearly going to lead the way.
cannon8800  +   1085d ago
Amen my gaming brother.
_-EDMIX-_  +   1085d ago | Well said
At the end of the day. Sony will sell more PS3's then MS sells 360's. for a lot of reasons.

1. Sony owns more studios and can support up to 3 systems at once! PS3, PS4 and PSV support is not unlikely. They did PS2, PS3 and PSP! Mind you Sony bought MORE studios this gen.

2. MS lost and closed down a bunch of studios. (mind you they had the least to begin with and now have even less then that)

Those reasons alone will make PS3 sell more in the long run. What will be on 360 to sell it? When 720 is out, is MS just going to make 2 Halos? 2 Gears? 2 Fables? LOL! They don't even have enough teams to make games for just one system let alone 2.

MIND YOU Beyond 2 Souls and Last Of Us have yet to release. We are talking about PS4 games and new PS3 IPs have yet to be released......need proof of support? Where is MS's new IP's for 360?

PS3 will go on to sell...and sell and sell. When it surpasses the 360, I beg its users to say Sony made a bad choice.

Most expenisve system, came out late....still outsold the cheapest system that came out early.

One closed studios, one bought and opened MANY. One made the same IP's over and over again, one released new IP's along side old one, EVEN JUST before PS4 was released. The gamers have spoken on what system is favored. You'll see in years to come why Sony thought of a long plan vs a "rushed" limited "gimmick" where are those timed exclusives now? How is Kinect? Miss Bungie as a exclusive developer yet? The more you support those actions, the more MS will bend you over a table and help themselves. LOL.
RioKing  +   1085d ago

Edit: I agree with you though..
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Oh_Yeah  +   1085d ago
@_-EDMIX-_ adding to what you said, the ps3 also doubles as a blu ray player and it has no subscription fee to access apps such as Netflix < that right there will definitely guarantee the ps3 surpasses xbox 360 by a landslide... As more people look for streamers/ blu ray players they'll surely look at the ps3 and see the affordable all in one device over similarly priced standard blu ray players and standard game boxes? Hmm I think the ps3 gots a lot of sellin left in it.
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Dark_Eternal  +   1084d ago
It's because their parents refuse to buy them a second console. Don't want to spoil the little tykes, after all! ;)
DigitalSmoke  +   1085d ago
You're the prime excample for why "opinions" are not equall at all.
When around thinking men, you should actually just look down and listen wile looking nobody directly in the face...

now off you go.
JeffGUNZ  +   1085d ago

Awful argument. I', 28 and own both PS3 and 360. Both are great, but Live puts PSN to shame. Don't believe me, look at PSN+, it's Sonys way of softly bringing up a fee to access their online service. You think the PS4 is going to release and have a top notch cloud storage/streaming service without charging people a subscription? Get ready to steal the credit card from your mommy.
Bathyj  +   1085d ago
That was the only thing that really disappointed me about the reveal.

No Kaz and no Jack.
doctorstrange  +   1085d ago
This. I was waiting the whole time.
Studio-YaMi  +   1085d ago
E3 for sure,or I'm BUSTING A NUT ! >:(
Riderz1337  +   1085d ago
Kaz and Jack on the stage at the same time? Do you want lawsuits to be handed out due to peoples head exploding?

Lol, jokes aside - I think they will be there for the full reveal including the look of the consoles as well as more first party/third party launch title reveals. So E3 probably.
Adva  +   1085d ago
No Kaz because he runs Sony now. It is the job of SCEI head to introduce new hardware which the British guy is now.
turnerdc  +   1085d ago
I like Jack Tretton, he seems like a stand up guy. Much more classy than crazy Ken:

“Microsoft is trailing behind us and is not a threat," Kutaragi declared. "It is good at improving, but we will be advancing to the next level with revolutionary technology. Beating us for a short moment is like accidentally winning a point from a karate master and Microsoft is still not a black belt."

"Like with Microsoft's operating systems, it might come out with something good around the third-generation of their release."

"The approach of adopting multiple, all-purpose processors will just raise integer calculation capabilities, that will only benefit general applications," said Kutaragi. "This approach will increase the machine's capabilities as an all-purpose computer, but it won't change the type of entertainment."

Finally, Kutaragi gave the final deathblow to the Xbox 360 specs saying “We welcome the fact that Microsoft invests is this area but, by only improving the graphic performance and increasing the output resolution of the current Xbox, [Xbox 360] won't change anything from the current world of videogame consoles.”

Following Kazuo Hirai’s line of thought, Kutaragi also said that “the Xbox 360 is more of an Xbox 1.5 than a next generation console.”
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doctorstrange  +   1085d ago
I know what you mean, but part of me loved Kutaragi's Krazy statments
C0MPUT3R  +   1085d ago
PS4 = gamer's wet dream realized.
PS4 is the console of the forever.
Rip-Ridah  +   1085d ago
PS4 = [developer's &] gamer's wet dream realized.
HexxedAvenger  +   1085d ago
J_Cob  +   1085d ago
AJ Hartley  +   1085d ago
Hi wayne , hi (crash)
black911  +   1085d ago
As pathetic as it sounds, Microsoft most likely won't have the benefit of the RRoD and all the other hardware problems that led Xbox fans to re-buy each new model Xbox 360 hoping to finally have a console that works properly. And so Microsoft isn't going to have millions and millions of duplicate consoles padding out their installed base this upcoming gen.
turnerdc  +   1085d ago
Woah, woah, woah. Let's not get ahead of ourselves now. RROD pretty much disappeared around 2008 and failure rates since then have been pretty comparable to any other platform.

"Fortunately, SquareTrade found that Xbox 360 quality has improved dramatically since the third quarter of 2008, shortly before the 65nm CPU/GPU "Jasper" model was introduced. Since then, first-year failure rates have plummeted to below the 4 percent the company projected. Looking at 500 units purchased in 2009, SquareTrade found that less than 1 percent had suffered the Red Ring of Death."

Let's not forget that Microsoft extended the warranty of the Xbox to 3 years, a move that cost them over a billion dollars.
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TemplarDante  +   1085d ago
Turnerdc"RROD pretty much
disappeared around 2008 and failure rates
since then have been pretty comparable to
any other platform." LOL!
Foxhound922  +   1085d ago
Doesn't change the fact fact that for almost 2 years Microsoft had accelerated sales rates from people buying multiple consoles. Sure they enacted some great damage control but they still benefited sales wise from that. I can't even count how many friends of mine are on their 4th or 5th 360 from hardware failure. When you have thousands of people buying multiple consoles multiple years, its adds up. Lets just be clear that their sales would be substantially lower than what they are today. But I do give Microsoft props for the way they handled the debacle, and gave players peace of mind with the 3 yr warranty.
turnerdc  +   1085d ago
Hmmmm, original post provides no evidence to back up his claims and receives 12 agrees and 6 disagrees. I provide evidence to support my claims and I get 7 agrees and 9 disagrees.

EDIT: Substantially lower? A substantial amount is anywhere between 50 to 100 percent. While I do agree that RROD did have an effect on sales, I seriously doubt that many extra 360's were sold. Additionally many people just sent their RROD Xbox in for repair which means no extra sale there.
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MysticStrummer  +   1085d ago
Reading N4G makes it seem like I'm the only person in the world who knows multiple people who bought multiple new 360s instead of sending their dead ones in and waiting. It's called disposable income. All in all I know 5 people who bought a total of 12 360s between them. Your links don't negate the fact that 360s had an unprecedented fail rate for two years, and I'm pretty sure more people than just my friends bought new ones instead of waiting.
BOLO  +   1085d ago
@Turnerdc "Hmmmm, original post provides no evidence to back up his claims"...Here's your proof...Watch it and weep. /watch?v=auZqaPvIDps&list= LLsOrvCJE8JCOz3XuvxhUC-w.../wat ch?v=F3xBmENXX0Y&list=LLsOr vCJE8JCOz3XuvxhUC-w
turnerdc  +   1085d ago

It is never a good idea to base a conclusion on anecdotal evidence as it is more than likely an informal fallacy.


Checked your link, not weeping. Many people sell broken/defective systems online. Here is a lot of 11, 6, and 5 broken PS3 systems:

Does that mean the PS3 is inherently a defective console? Nope, some guy just gathered up broken PS3 systems to sell.
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soxfan2005  +   1085d ago
Keep telling yourself that. There are ABSOLUTELY NO FACTS OR DATA to back up your opinion, but if it makes you feel better go right ahead.

You're just bitter about the 360's success, so you have to play make-believe.

You are right about one thing though - it is pathetic to believe what you believe, and even more pathetic to actually say it in public.
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_-EDMIX-_  +   1085d ago | Well said
....buddy. Quick question. What teams does MS have in play to support the 360 after 720? my understanding, they have less teams now then when they started this gen.

Don't kid yourself. Sony will keep supporting PS3 for a LONG time. Like really, really, really long time.

PS3 still has 2 new IPs releasing at the ending of this year, a PS4 coming out, AND STILL HAS TEAMS that are in the dark. MS has all there teams out and about. They don't have the wiggle room. Its 720 ALL TEH WAY. They can't afford to keep even a single team back to work on 360, while Sony has a whole slew of developers to still make PS3 games....JUST like they did PS2 when PS3 was out. Sony supported PS3, PS2 and PSP all at the same time...with LESS teams, they have MORE teams now. So...I see PS3, PSV and PS4 support for a good long time.

This = MS losing another gen. EASY. By the time its all said and done, MS will had lost yet another gen. With a cheaper system, year head start, a FF and GTA etc....they would had still got outsold by a Sony system. If that can't beat a Sony system....nothing really can OTHER then buying some damn teams and going head to head with Sony.

To beat Sony, they need to own more teams. Simple. As a gamer, if you disagree, your clearly not a real gamer.
RioKing  +   1085d ago
^I agreed, so I'm a gamer!! But seriously, bubs to you, dude....well said.
DonnieDarko  +   1084d ago
Will ps4 do 4d like the ps thr. . . . Oh wait
Studio-YaMi  +   1085d ago
Jack & Kaz @ E3 !

That is all ..
doctorstrange  +   1085d ago
Well they've won the show
MadMen  +   1085d ago
Tretton, i am a fan
Raider69  +   1085d ago
“We’re Trying to Say We’re All About the Gamers”see this is what will sell PS4`S FOR Sony.Open your eyes M$!
TemplarDante  +   1085d ago
The MSFT casual gamer focus is worrying...
hardcore franchise diminishing.

With 360, they rotated the same IP's over and again to keep core gamers happy.
After Kinect.. they did not care as much.

Gears 1
Gears 2
Gears 3
Gears Judgement

Halo Reach
Halo 4

Forza 2
Forza Horizon

Over and over and over again..
Next gen, with the Kinect 24/7 advertising sensor, even able to check your clothes you were and display its brands advertising, its like the games they release would be to get you to sit there and feed you ad's rather than truly entertain you.
Also, the Nextbox specs are worrying.. not Core gamer oriented at all,

Jaguar 8 Core CPU

12CU... Its worrying. Whats worse, it was rumored 6+6CU rather than 12. Six for compute function for Kinect and six for games :/ WTF.
Top that off with the rumor 2 cores of the 8 Jaguar cores will be used for Windows 8 OS with the overhead of 2-3GB of ram for OS footprint....
You would be left with 6 Jaguar Cores, 5GB of DDR3, and a GPU with 6 CU for graphics alone...showing a clear focus on T.V and entertainment rather than gaming.
Their focus is so much on casual gamimg, its going to hold back multiplat games next gen.

The PS4 on the other hands is more Core gamer centric.

ARM CPU for background tasks
512MB reserved for OS footprint
8Core Jaguar CPU- all 8 for gaming.
8GB GDDR5 unified ram

Sony has always wanted a gaming machine that caters to everyone. Im glad they've done that again.
Msft... just goes where the THINK the money is. Casual gamers are fickle msft, be warned. You're putting your eggs all in on basket microsoft.
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Jek_Porkins  +   1085d ago
You are basing your entire argument on rumors, it was rumored that the PS4 would only have 4-6 gigs of memory. Turns out the PS4 is still in production faze and the specs aren't even final.

With 10 months to go, how do you know what Microsoft has in store if they haven't announced it?

If you look at both the Xbox 360 and PS3, both had pretty much the same amount of "core" exclusives and games in general, only the Xbox 360 had them since the 360's launch and the PS3 did not.

Microsoft obviously switched focus to next gen after 2010, the longer than normal console generation really screwed with the gaming ecosystem. If it means the next Xbox launches with new IP's and core games, I'll take it.

Why fault Microsoft for giving its core demographic the games that they bought the machine for? I'd take a Halo game over some unknown niche title any day of the week.

Are you telling me Sony fans would have rather had PlayStation All Stars over another Uncharted or Gran Turismo? I don't think so my friend.

And did you watch Sony's presser? They were showing off Move, social media and entertainment just like Microsoft does. It'd be one thing to say you are all about gamers if you didn't have any entertainment apps, but Sony has them too, right on the box!

I'd wait until we get an actual reveal of the next Xbox before trashing it and comparing anything, because right now you are just comparing the PS4 specs to a ghost.
Rainstorm81  +   1085d ago
You lost me at PS4 is still in production faze specs aren't final.....So what was announced yesterday? Only the Hardware's plastic casing isn't final.

You live in the bubble, because while they did release PS All stars they also have games like Last of Us this year, I mean you can use partial facts if you like but as YOU said MS switched focus in 2010, yet Sony revealed their next gen system plans and released more new IPs in that same time span 2010-2013.

Maybe if MS focus wasn't Kinect we would've gotten more new IPs on 360, a sequel to Lost Oddessy and Blue Dragon, or maybe Captian Blood would've been released. Keep defending things that aren't good for gamers and MS will do the same as they been doing.

I remember when Xbox fans said MS wouldn't abandon the 360 like they did the original Xbox.......SMH
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DigitalSmoke  +   1085d ago
Thats just the thing...

Eventhough its "very" unlikely that MS will be able to put 8gig GDRR5 in their system, it doesn't matter what type of machine they come with because in this generation they have failed at the plan to compete with Sony on Sony's turf, thats why they went the casual Kinect way instead.

Now they are at it with Nintendo, and thats a Battle they will lose as well.
FGHFGHFGH  +   1084d ago
'If you look at both the Xbox 360 and PS3, both had pretty much the same amount of "core" exclusives and games in general, only the Xbox 360 had them since the 360's launch and the PS3 did not"

MIcrosoft launching the 360 early meant alot of titles that would've been multiplat were exclusive to 360, plus the ps3 gave alot of developers trouble at first. Microsoft just doesn't make many games. Look at pc, Microsoft does not have any presence at all and gaming pcs use windows, but all pc gamers I know don't like GFWL. Even Sony has had more success than Microsoft on pc. I saw that Bungie's new game has exclusive content for ps4. Microsoft relied heavily on timed dlc this gen and if sony gets exclusive dlc from multiplats than what does Microsoft have? Kinect games and cellphone like games. And of course Halo.
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_-EDMIX-_  +   1085d ago
I can't agree any more. THIS is why 360 is selling less and less. People are not buying it for some of MS ips as much as there just buying it to play 3rd party games (BAD IDEA) ONLY because they are likely to really buy ANY next gen system that has a lot of games.

If you don't like Fable, Halo, Gear or Forza...your out of luck. Turn around adn NEVER look at the 360 again. BUT with PS3, you at least have Uncharted, (sucks) well Heavy Rain (sucks) well Infamous (sucks) Motorstorm (sucks) well GT (sucks) well Killzone (sucks) well Resistance (sucks...a lot) well God Of War (did't like that last gen) well Last Of Us (not your style) Beyond 2 Souls (don't like Ellen Page) well LBP and so on and so on.

Sony did a GREAT job this gen with new IPs. They made it so that, if you had an issue with Playstation last kinda can't this gen. Why? Cause the games are different. Period.

If MS just goes (Halo, Forza, Gears etc) they will pretty much leave out a large number of potential sales.

Though I hate MS, I'm still a gamer. If MS shows a bunch of new IPs...I"M GAME! (mind you they can't be timed exclusives and by no name teams) they must be by established teams. (MS slept on soooo many IPs. Crackdown, PGR etc) Why should I buy a 720 if they are just going to "Crackdown" a IP? (ie release 1 or 2 games and call it quits) I don't want to be "tricked" into buying a system. With Sony you at least know they will do 3X with a lot of there games.

Think about it like this. New IP's MAKE NEW FANS! You can't hate a IP you never heard of. *Knack makes you change your mind, Driver Club, makes you change your mind!* That is what keeps Playstation fresh.
BladerunnerZX  +   1085d ago
Agreed Templar.

just look at what the casuals have done for the nintendo Wii U .... lots of continued support carried over from the Wii .. oh wat.
DivineAssault  +   1085d ago
what kind of ram is the question.. Those leaks also state 720 is using ddr3 which is no competition for gddr5 thats in the PS4.. Ill take games over media anyday.. PS4 will have media too just not focus on it which is why i choose them.. i have a cable box & a PS3 (soon PS4) & im completely happy.. All the multiplats available plus exclusive games n features xbox wont have.. theyll have the multiplats maybe n some different features but PS is a much better value with much more titles to choose from.. Oh ps plus n gaikai are awesome in conjunction with vita is a no brainer.. PS4 all the way
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just-joe  +   1085d ago
Walk the walk.
GodGinrai  +   1085d ago
sony most certainly are ..and Im saying that as a guy that uses the 360 as my main gaming platform. But I could never NOT own a playstaion. sony have always been about the games.

MS are forgetting what the what xbox is about. They need J allard/seamus blackley back because right now ballmer is destroying the xbox brand in the eyes of the gamer.
urwifeminder  +   1085d ago
Not really relavent xbox news for me.
MultiConsoleGamer  +   1085d ago
Shipped, not sold Jack. Don't give us any of your fuzzy math or combined shipment numbers.

However, if you count only working consoles, Sony was ahead a long time ago.
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TemplarDante  +   1085d ago
Especially.. when that rumor Msft refurbishes units that RROD and tag them as a "new sale" with a new serial number is very much true..
Bathyj  +   1085d ago
Jack is such a class act.

"The facts are, we debuted the PlayStation 3 at $599, which was an extremely steep price barrier for a lot of consumers."

This really makes me think that the PS4 wont be that high. Sony have learnt that early adopters like me will pay anything but a quick mainstream uptake is important in the early days and its better long term for Sony to take the hit and get the public on their side and get that install base growing so devs take note.

"And we debuted a year after Microsoft, (year and a half in Europe) but on a worldwide basis, we’ve sold the same, if not more, devices. I think we’re at 77 million sold right now — it’s basically splitting hairs."

I'm glad someones realized that. At this point still bickering about sales numbers is irrelevant. More important than consoles sold is how many happy customers you have right now, because they are going to be the ones who buy your next machine at launch.

"But we’re trying to say we’re all about the gamers and, by the way, there’s multimedia out there. I think the people who tuned in to see this live streaming event, from all around the world, were watching to see the gaming."

Amen Jack, Amen.
HeavenlySnipes  +   1085d ago
As long as the RAM dedicated to the OS is enough to pull iff all the thibgs they spoke if in the conference and that going in and out of fames is almost instant, I couldn't care less about what MS has too offer.

I literally can't think of any UI based surprises they could possibly share other than (hopefully) making XBL free and adopting a PS+ like premium service
Jek_Porkins  +   1085d ago
Hey whatever helps Jack sleep at night, Sony has used non gaming ideas all along to lure in people who aren't gamers. CD player in PS1, DVD player in PS2 and a Blu Ray player in the PS3. I think we all know someone who bought one of those devices strictly because it was a cheap option for that type of media.

If it's believed that Sony is just for gamers, why bring back the Move that the core Sony gamer tended to hate? Why institute a camera that Sony gamers ragged on Microsoft for having? Why institute and bring to the forefront social media with the PS4?

It is called slight of hand, it's the same exact thing bands do when they are in a particular place. "Nobody rocks as hard as ----------!".

The guy acts like Microsoft and Nintendo aren't for gamers, which is just insane. Those two companies were just better at capturing more than a core audience, which is the audience that Sony itself had the previous two generations.
MRMagoo123  +   1085d ago
You really spout the most nonsensical crap don't you. (that's a rhetorical question, i already know the answer)
StrongMan  +   1085d ago

Looks like Jack struck a particular loyalty nerve with you there, "kiddo".
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ALLWRONG  +   1085d ago
"all about the gamers" yet you have only released casual games since 2011.
doctorstrange  +   1085d ago
Skips  +   1085d ago
2011: Uncharted 3, Infamous 2, LittleBigPlanet 2, Motorstorm Apocalypse, Killzone 3, Resistance 3.

2012: Twisted Metal, Journey (Higher 92 meta score than EVERY 360 exclusive in 2012, won more GOTY awards than Halo 4), PSAllStars, Starhawk.

2013: God Of War Ascension, The Last Of Us, Beyond Two Souls, Sly 4, Ni No Kuni.

What's the 360 getting this year? Like one core game? And a bunch of Kinect AMIRITE? LOOOOOOOL
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ALLWRONG  +   1085d ago
Like I said "since 2011" thanks for the help.
WeAreLegion  +   1085d ago
That reply made no sense, ALLWRONG. He just named hardcore titles that came out since 2011. You are acting like these are casual titles. They are not. Nobody would ever say that they are.
Jakens  +   1085d ago
What I find so funny (I find it kinda sad) is that Sony did all of this:


just to compete with all of this:

"What's the 360 getting this year? Like one core game? And a bunch of Kinect"

I would ask who is fooling who here? I do get your point though.
Skips  +   1085d ago

How does the PS3 having 4 core titles released in 2012 and more releasing, or ALREADY released in 2013 help prove your point of "casual games since 2011."

Do you even understand what you're typing?! XD
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fsfsxii  +   1085d ago
The 360 hadn't had a new IP since 2010, from that time till 2013 all was there some rehash of halo-gears-forza and kinect titles.
Nice try fanboy
Jakens  +   1085d ago
You may be right about that "halo-gears-forza and kinect titles"

I honestly hope that MS will stop teasing me and get naked already.

Sorry if I offended anyone.
fsfsxii  +   1085d ago
@ jakens
Jakens  +   1085d ago

I secertly agree with you and almost didn't post this reply. I myself have never posted as bold a statement, as yours, on N4G. When you say "only released casual games since 2011" I'm thinking 'yep, that is so true' I think that Sony could do something better there to draw me in. Others may agree somewhere out there. Maybe Sony just doesn't have as many of the games that I want to play. They have gotten things wrong many games that I do want to play. About your post: To my knowledge, noone on here has ever called out that many Sony titles as casual at one time. lol. I'm proud to have you on N4G. You are not alone in what you are thinking about the Sony games (2011 to Feb 22 2013). You should get a hundred replies. Not every Video Game Fan will click agree/disagree or reply there but they should. Very refreshing comment on here indeed. On a side note I'll buy PS4. But again, I can't say enough its rare to see a N4G comment as painfully wonderful as yours. Very sincere Thank you! +Bubbles
TheGreenMan  +   1084d ago
Uhh are you feeling okay? ALLWRONG is calling out Sony for releasing casual games, yet mentions nothing about a Kinect-obsessed Microsoft, and you give him praise for "telling it like it is?" Anyone with half of a brain can see who made the shift from hardcore to casual...and it's not Sony.
shutUpAndTakeMyMoney  +   1085d ago
M$ sucks..
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