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Submitted by Rearden 504d ago | news

PlayStation 4 GPU is 4.5x more powerful than PS3 GPU

The PlayStation 4 GPU is 4.5x more powerful than the PS3 GPU, and 7.5x more powerful than the Xbox 360 GPU. (PS4, Sony, Tech)

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ElementX  +   504d ago
Funny, not to flame or anything however I thought the 360 had a faster GPU than the PS3 or is that a common misconception?
Rearden  +   504d ago
Xbox 360 had special 32 MB of dedicated RAM, which gave it more possibilities.
TheGamerDood  +   504d ago
a whole 32MB of awesome possibilities I bet.
fr0sty  +   504d ago | Intelligent
Actually it's only 10MB of EDRAM, and 512MB of main system unified RAM in 360. The NextBox is rumored to have 32mb of EDRAM. On 360, the 10mb EDRAM did indeed enable some possibilities, like "free" anti-aliasing to smooth jaggies, however it also served as a bottleneck since you could not fit a 1080p frame into the 10mb frame buffer (the EDRAM was also it's frame buffer). This made 1080p and 3D difficult, among other things. 10MB wasn't quite enough.

As for 360's GPU, while it had a slightly lower clock speed, it was in many ways more advanced than PS3's GPU. However, Cell was able to lend a hand to RSX, which helped PS3 bridge that gap nicely (much of why Uncharted 3, GOW3, etc look so nice).

PS4's GPU is considerably more powerful. the CPU is more powerful as well, with each of the 8 cores being far more powerful than the SPU's in CELL. It also sports a mind blowing 16 times more RAM. This has to be the biggest RAM increase in console history. That's not even getting into how much more bandwidth all these devices have to talk to each other.
NeverEnding1989  +   504d ago
The PS3 was handicapped this gen with its inferior RAM, I'm glad to see Sony rectifying the issue.
Hydrolex  +   504d ago | Well said
and yet none of 360 games came close to Uncharted
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TheThirdMan   504d ago | Spam
MikeMyers  +   504d ago
"a whole 32MB of awesome possibilities I bet."

It did make a difference and you could tell by how the PS3 lacked cross game chat.

http://gematsu.com/2011/08/...

I for one am pleased they are coming out with a whopping 8GB of RAM. That is unheard of for a game console. Plus it's GDDR5 not 3 which the Wii U uses and only has 2GB of it.
kudakadere  +   504d ago
@ TheThirdMan

The Xbox 1 destroyed the Ps2 in the graphics department , and i wouldn't say a game like Halo 4 was completely destroyed by Uncharted 2 or 3 they may have looked better but they way you're making it out... .

A ps2 vs xbox video , feel free to watch

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
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REALgamer  +   504d ago
This article makes the strange assumption that gigaflops are the ONLY measure of graphics 'power'.

That's like saying a car will win a race because it has the highest top speed, while failing to take into account acceleration, cornering, braking, traction, shifting, etc.
Dasteru  +   504d ago
@fr0sty:

Actually 16x increase is the norm.

PS1: 2MB
PS2: 32MB
PS3: 512MB
PS4: 8GB
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Evil_Ryu  +   504d ago
fucking idiot
UnholyLight  +   503d ago
@Hydrolex

not sure if trolling, or actually serious (and retarded at that)

wow, just wow. Ooookay buddy
Dasteru  +   503d ago
@NeverEnding1989:

The PS3 wasn't really anymore handicapped in regards to Ram than the 360 was, it was just more difficult to code for because of the way it was arranged.

With most games being made for the 360s unified Ram first then ported to the PS3, it was usually too much cost and effort to properly code the game for the PS3s split Ram.

The 360 really only has 18MB more usable Ram than the PS3.

The PS3 uses 50MB total Ram for the OS, 43MB of the XDR & 7MB of DDR3. The rest is fully accessible by Cell for use in games.

The 360 uses 32MB.
Shaman  +   504d ago
Yes, the FLOP count of RSX was bogus. Its 200GFLOP chip, and PS4 is around 8 times that.
admj83  +   503d ago
9 times
Dasteru  +   503d ago
9.2 times
brich233  +   504d ago
If i'm correct, the xbox does have a more powerful graphics card with more ram, but the ps3 has the cell which is more powerful then the xbox360s cpu. So the ps3's graphics might look slightly better, but it seems like only exclusive games look best. Since its harder to develop for, developers made lazy ports at first.
It seems like it took them forever for multiplatform games to match xbox 360s graphics.
ABizzel1  +   504d ago
As stated above the GPU's were different at performing task, but similar in overall performance.

The 360 had 10MB of eDRAM and 512MB of unified RAM, vs. PS3's split RAM 256MB games and almost 256MB for Console (a small portion was saved for something else, I believe the dormant SPU).

That's why framerates were slightly better on 360, but the Cell is why PS3 games had more graphic quality.
UnholyLight  +   503d ago
It's so hard to compare graphics wise when you're talking first party games. Everything on both PS3 and Xbox 360 sort of have their own graphics style and direction. For example, it seems silly to compare Halo graphics to Killzone because its meant to be pretty much ALL OUT super realistic graphics but yet a more Gears of War style colour palette of greys and such, whereas Halo was never about pushing the Xbox 360 to the limit up until Halo 4 which even then, I think due to the style of how Halo is presented isn't an attempt at ultra realism.

I don't know haha, sorry I kind of rambled a bit but I hope you all see my point. Not really defending the Xbox 360 at all just kinda showing that it's not really the same. I'd say the head to head comparisons of Crysis 2 back when it came out is a good representation of how the consoles differ. Don't have a link at the moment but it should be easy to dig up.
Sarcasm  +   504d ago
The common misconception is trying to compare the two systems to each other since the PS3's architecture was extremely and arguably too complex.

But yes the 360 on paper based on developer comments had the more powerful GPU.

Lines get blurred though because the actual RSX specs were NEVER released. There is a reason for that.

Sony had to develop the GPU to work in cohesion with the Cell processor because it will not work like a traditional PC, hence the split 256MB of RAM for the System and faster 256MB of RAM for the RSX GPU. It is confusing and is not something that typical developers are used to work with.

Sony put their eggs into the Cell Basket. They wanted developers to leverage the SPUs or "Pow3r of th3 C3LL" to help offload work from the GPU.

Some developers creatively were able to do it like Naughty Dog and Sony Santa Monica. But obviously we learned from this generation that most developers could not come to gripes with it, hence all the development headache from many 3rd party studios. Heck, there were even some chatter about how they only used 256MB of RAM from the GPU without even touching the other 256MB, essentially gimping the game. We all saw that with poor X360 ports which is why the X360 version had higher resolutions and more Anti-aliasing.
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mav805  +   503d ago
Yes, he's got them mixed up. That, plus just north of 400 Gflops is what the PS3's total processing power was capable of, so PS4 is about 5 times more powerful than the entire ps3, and the GPU is 9 times more powerful than PS3's GPU. The PS3 was capable of more flops than the Xbox360 total power, I want to say between 50-100 Gflops but I don't remember. Obviously the difficult programming environment of the PS3 is what held it back.

Anyway, being 5 times more powerful along with the greatly improved efficiency of the architecture and the hardware, should be fun :)
aquamala  +   504d ago
and my $300 Radeon 7950 is 2.87 TFLOPS, so PS4 GPU is about 65% as powerful.
EliteDave93  +   504d ago
It's going to be expensive i can already tell -.-.
NBT91  +   504d ago
Hopefully not 4.5 times more expensive than PS3 was.
ABizzel1  +   504d ago
$399 - $499 is a reasonable price (more likely around $499).

A subscription based model would help ease the pain, $299 w. a 2 year contract to PS+ @ $10 / month ($539 over 2 year period).
Sarcasm  +   504d ago
That is about right. Except you will never see 100% usage in your CPU doing other things that the GPU can't do.

Console developers, are going to max out everything they can do with the CPU and GPU and have a much more balanced yet powerful system.
kenoh   504d ago | Spam
nosferatuzodd  +   503d ago
You know whats scary? all those games you saw at the sony press conference was only using 4 gig of the Gddr5, because at first sony told the developers they was only going to use 4 gig of memory but something changed their mind and its for the better....

Just wait until Naughty Dog drop their project then ppl will see true next gen game i know they have a corner to corner grin on their face right now graphics sluts lol
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stragomccloud  +   504d ago
That doesn't make sense. The 360 had a better gpu in in than the PS3.
Mac is OK  +   504d ago
It's amazing how biased the people on this site are. The gpu in the 360 is well known to be more powerfull that the one in the ps3. Also, if the specs released by sony are true, the PS4 gpu should be at least 8 times more powerfull.
greenpowerz  +   504d ago
It doesn't have to make sense and it never does when it comes to new Playstation hardware and the stories and articles that follow, not to mention Sony themselves.

Who cares about 360 and 720 all you need to know is that MSFT wants to make the 720 6 to 8 times morepowerful than 360. Lets wait.
AlphaTauri  +   503d ago
Does Sony think the PS3 is still superior to the PS4
yeah it doesn't make sense like most of the idiots that post on here - Sony actually lists the RSX as being able to produce 1.8 teraFlops - which was a joke. Any intelligent engineer and enthusiast knows that the Xbox gpu was a superior and more modern design.
Also, the PS3 Cell @ 218 gflops would seem superior to the PS4 cpu @ 102.4 gflops; however, the PS4 x86-64 cpu has 8 out-of-order fully functional CPU cores allowing far more flexibility and efficiency than the PS3's cell.
To finish things off, if we pay attention to Flops, then we would conclude the PS3 is still superior to the PS4 because Sony Lists the PS3 with a total output of 2 TeraFlops! http://playstation.about.co...
GoldPunch-TR  +   504d ago
Good.
SilentNegotiator  +   504d ago
There's got to be at least SOME 1080p native games, then. Can't wait!
sjaakiejj  +   504d ago
The 360's GPU was more powerful than the Ps3's. That fact alone invalidates most of this article.
stonecold3  +   504d ago
not really developers like rockstar complained xbox 360 was hindering development on gta 4 and square enix had to cut more than 50 percent of content from ff13 then they had to down graded the graphics so the 360 could run it and square have stated they could redo another full ff game and that where ff 13xiii2 comes in ?
wiiufan72   504d ago | Spam
frostyhat123  +   504d ago
Sounds great on paper, hopefully its as awesome as the press conference yesterday!
kudakadere  +   504d ago
Correct me if i'm wrong the xbox 360 had a more powerful GPU but the Ps3 a more powerful CPU which could handle some GPU Tasks .
grassyknoll  +   504d ago
You are right. Gigaflops is a very poor measure of GPU performance.
StreetsofRage  +   504d ago
Ps4daily? Oh dear God!
Saleem101  +   504d ago
Ram setup in ps3 is the reason multiplatform games suck on ps3 performance issues, sony knows that they made up for it in ps4...
TheThirdMan   504d ago | Spam
solid_warlord  +   504d ago
Both console were basicaly kneck to kneck in most cases and i own both systems. I realised that PS3 games have frame rate issues and gamelag more often. Anyways, 4.5x isn't much of a massive leap. The next Xbox is meant to be 6x more powerfull. This logic implies that next Xbox is more powerfull than PS4 which i doubt seeing the latest leaked specs.
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wiiufan72   504d ago | Spam
Saleem101  +   504d ago
Its true play the same game on xbox its big difference in performance...
nevin1  +   504d ago
How much powerful was PS3 over PS2?
susanto1228  +   504d ago
So my PC is 100x more powerful :)
mercury228  +   504d ago
I already have something more powerful than the PS4......
cyhm3112  +   504d ago
you moron, i know your mother is a female, lol
mercury228  +   504d ago
:D
1886afc  +   504d ago
it better be b/c comparing the ps3 to pc now, the ps4 has a lot of catching up to do. watch the vid!

Related video
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CommonSenseGamer  +   504d ago
And fanboy wars continue. Its honestly the worst thing about gaming.
fabiani  +   504d ago
dosent matter talented devs work on consoles n thats all that matters
neoMAXMLC  +   504d ago
Edit - oops, stupid mobile.
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cyhm3112  +   504d ago
this guy is really stupid, 4.5 times, hahaha, really really stupid.
DivineAssault  +   504d ago
dont care.. As long as i get smooth gameplay without stutters, clipping, & lag, im good
dcbronco  +   504d ago
I would bet it's more than 4.5 times more powerful.
madjedi  +   504d ago
And now we wait till e3 to see what the next xbox will bring.

Although i generally think ps3 exclusives are better looking than most 360 exclusives, halo 4 showed the 360 isn't lacking in the capability to produce very good visuals.

I don't think it has been pushed constantly like the ps3 has by all of sony's first party devs.

@wiiufan72 Funny the only wiiu game that even made the wiiu look remotely interesting was that zelda tech demo from e3 2010. Which ironically has been mia ever since, at least sony is showing some fucking games that aren't just last gen ports.
brich233  +   504d ago
what i want to see from microsoft.

1 Backwords compatability, the 32mb edram is a hint that it will be bc considering the xbox 360 had 10mb edram.

2 At least 2 supported HDtvs/monitors/tv for split screen gamers. Can be easily done. (this could be a good selling point)

3 More triple A games from microsoft.
Deku-Johnny  +   503d ago
"PlayStation 4 GPU is 4.5x more powerful than PS3 GPU" and about 2.5x more powerful than an 8th gen console needs to be since no developer is ever going to use it's full specs.
ShiftyLookingCow  +   503d ago
This article is garbage. On one side, it makes the joke that RSX is more powerful than Xenon and on the other that PS4's GPU is only 4.5 times more powerful than RSX.

PS4 is actually around 9 times faster with it's GPU. And it's Killzone demo was actually real(at least Full HD).

The only reason PS3 didn't crush the 360 to dust was because of Xenon and the dev tools from MS. But Sony has plugged both the holes for the PS4.
leogets  +   503d ago
whoever keeps saying watchdogs was PC footage needs to sort their eyes out.. PC have s triangle and square prompt buttons do they????? pshhhh thought not
AlphaTauri  +   503d ago
I agree, the article is garbage... and the 360 would've crushed the PS3 to dust if not for the PS3's Cell and a few first party games that Sony had to throw money at to squeeze every last bit of juice out of the Cell and the odd PS3 architecture in hopes of justifying their lame hype for all of the Sony sheep.
Tzunoy  +   503d ago
ha! so the 360 has a more powerful gpu after all. Nice.
stuna1  +   503d ago
Not that it helped! Since all it was being used for to show the fur moving on the animals in Kinectamals.
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