I didn't see anything that would make this a $599 console, I think $399 is reasonable to expect for the base model. maybe a $499 model with bigger hard drive.
R&D isnt nearly as high as with the ps3 everything from the gpu,cpu,ram is off the shelves. I think we will see a 399,99$ console with no extra's and a 499,99$ with a bigger HDD,1 year ps plus and a voucher for a digital copy of Killzone:SF,Driveclub or Knack.
^I'd say a free month of PS+ is more realistic. Right now the PS3 bundles that offer free games come with a free month of PS+, while the white PS3 bundle comes with a free year of PS+..but no games.
" I think we will see a 399,99$ console with no extra's and a 499,99$ with a bigger HDD,1 year ps plus and a voucher for a digital copy of Killzone:SF,Driveclub or Knack."
Thats the perfect for me $499,99 with lots of extra if not ill buy the cheaper one and get watch dogs alone, i doubt DriveClub will be a launch title tho.
The more expensive it is the better because I like feeling like i'm the only owner of the console for a couple years atleast. The appeal of having a PS3 and 360 now is lame cause everyone has one already.
lol you hipster, but I get what you're saying, you feel special because you could afford it, I honestly think it would be bad for Sony though, they wouldn't make as much money, I'd definitely pay $499.99 for a larger HDD and PS+ for a year.
1TB? I was wondering if Sony will add a mixed SDD HDD feature as Sony did in some of their ultrabooks, I know SDD is expensive but it would be use only for key processes and loading time reduction.I wouldn't mind to see a smaller drive with this feature.
Exactly, with all the talk about no loading times, access time is a concern. If you have 1TB of data in 7200rpm drive you gonna need a lot of redundant data or markers, otherwise loading times will still be noticeable. If you go with an SSD that problem is solved but it's yet to be seen if it's cost friendly to add on a console.
I think we're way beyond the years of charging an extra $100 based on HD size. Storage is so cheap now that even non-tech people realize that the extra money isn't about that. It's just that in making different sku's more affordable, they'd take a bigger hit on the cheaper ones, and count on the more loyal customers, or people with more money for the others.
People buy the Deluxe Wii U more than the basic not only because 8 gigs is a joke, but because of the game pack in and the color matches more home entertainment set ups - AND the sku's are so close in price that it makes sense. I think Sony will do something similar with the PS4.
Yeah but there were like 5 mills people who bought the ps3 at that price but yes is a not good thing and i believe the thing will cost 499.99 which ill be ok with it
People need to stop crying. Its 2013 not 2006. If you cant afford a 700 dollar system you need to find another hobby. 599 if they make it that cheap it will be the bottom sku. Fine, at least it will keep the little kids from crying so much. For me I will gladly pay the higher sku of 699-799. Yeah it might come with a ripped off xbox controler (triggers,sticks and mic port) but it will still be the best system. So stop your crying about price and just beg your parents for money.
People just don't get it. The PS3 cost almost 900 damn dollars to manufacture. The graphics chip Nvidia just put out, the GeForce Titan, costs $1000 alone. It only has 6GB of GDDR5 RAM. The PS4 has 8GB of GDDR5 RAM. If anyone thinks this will be cheap to manufacture has their head up their a$$.
Camera will be in all models. Controller is build to require it (light bar). They will try to avoid fragmentation. Move will be an option (I guess Move and Nav will still work?)
For me, price doesn't really matter. You'd need an $800 budget or something anyway. I want 3-4 games as well, and those will add quite a bit to the pricing. With that said, I'd want a big HDD, too. I hope it'll fit into that budget.
Sony wont price it at 600$ no way even if it is brand new hardware.
But
I do believe Sony will have the price higher than what people are expecting. Sony needs profit from the PS4 Sony's financial standings do rely heavily on their gaming division Sony wants to keep the losses as less damaging as possible. So, theirs a high chance Sony's console will be a bit pricey at launch, realistically.
EDIT: Jack Tretton "hopes" it won't cost 600$. Crossing fingers they don't
LOL i remember watching that back in the days of the PS2 if my memory don't fail me, my friends and i use to think how we will play metal gear like that :D good memories.
It's not so much the console I'm curious about but the controller. As amazing as the new controller looks I'm a little afraid to see what price they plan to stamp on it.
I could see that. Included with the PS4 I don't think they should have a problem selling them. But I do see more people bringing over their own controllers to play at a friends house. lol
Hell, we don't even do that anymore with everything being online. I think I'd buy a second at launch and 2 is enough for me.
Yet I don't think they're dumb enough to make a controller worth anywhere above $70. $65 is the limit for me but who knows, we've still got some time before numbers are made factual.
The cost for PS4 that makes sense would be a range of $400 to $450 at max. Anything above those price point will mean another poor start in sales for Sony. The will apply to Microsoft Xbox720.
PS4 won't be $599 simply because they need to avoid the stigma of the Ps3's launch from being associated with the Ps4's launch. $500 or less is what the base console will cost.
I really hope it costs whatever is needed to keep that RAM figure included. By the whole world moaning about spending that amount of money, we all run the risk of forcing Sony to react with a dumb down on the specs they can still change. It has happened before and us gamers are only going to make it happen again.
you lot make me laugh you dont see anything that would make it cost $599 do any of you know how expensive gddr5 ram is ? that alone could hike the price and as for the apu/gpu even that is not exactly off the shelf item as it has been slightly modified especially for the console, also there is this thing called inflation where things actually cost more than they used too you know when you goto shop and buy a loaf of bread and it has gone up do you they say i am not buying that its too dear no you dont you pay it as you know things always will get dearer, anyway if it does come out for $599 i personally think it is still very cheap for what you are getting, i hope it does come out allot cheaper but even if it does not i will still be buying one i wont whine about the price.
The thing comes with a really powerful console bundled with a controller, a headset, and a 3D camera.
I dunno, i'd go 599 again if that was the price. OBVIOUSLY i'd be happy if it was cheaper but just saying, i'd go 599. I don't regret getting the PS3 at 599 for a second >.>
Meh, I won't be that bothered if it was $599 with a mic, 300Gb+ memory, a controller and if possible a game packed in.
Not sure how memory comes but anything above 300Gb at a $599 price would be great in my opinion. The console is going to be packing 7years newer tech than the PS3 was so if it did end up costing that much, I would be alright with it. Same goes for Xbox if it launches around the same price point, Ill be buying both.
EDIT** After reading one line into the article what I just said stands true. You guys should learn to read:
"I guess the image I would give [compared to PS3] is that it's like a magnifying lens," he told Digital Spy.
"Every core pillar of the game is able to be pushed further. We're able to push the immersion. The fidelity of the graphics is one part of the immersion, but it's more than graphics."
OBVIOUSLY MEANS THEY ARE REFERRING TO THE PS3 AND THE OTHER CURRENT GEN CONSOLES.
Even if at this very minute they are not finalized, I wouldn't realistically expect much different than maybe clock speeds on the CPU or RAM. They don't want to miss this holiday.
If they announced the console to launch in 6-9 months and its not finalized or starting to be built they were afraid of something and pulled the trigger too soon. That can't be because Kz has to be near completed unless its another 6 month developer job like the vita titles Sony shit out. I believe they said infamous was just a trailer, no gameplay which means they're pulling the same shit as last gen announcing games before they've started.
Either way no games they showed made me want a ps4. A couple tech demos that might become decent games years from from now but the only good game set in stone for me is watch dogs. That I could play on the next Xbox or pc so its not a reason to spend 4-500 dollars. They need exclusives and not timed dlc or another fps. Same for MS. Halo and Gears won't sell me. Bring new ip's and do not focus on Kinect.
I'm sorry cl1983, I hate ruining this for people...the Space Pope isn't real. He's just a fairy tale created by parents to teach their kids to act nice towards extraterrestrial visitors.
I never heard of any rumors saying it would be that cheap, and I would have laughed if I did. The Wii U costs more than that. The [rumored] Xbox specs may not be as powerful as the PS4, but they're up there, and it won't be 299.
I wish, but the fact that it's going to be bundled with a more advanced version of Kinect and that Microsoft has been spending a lot of money on creating TV/entertainment content for their upcoming consoles doesn't sound like it would.
Well, MS could pull a $299 because they have deep pockets. But I would be surprised if this would be possible, guessing it will come with a new Kinect (well, which could be cost reduced, though). They'd have to save costs somewhere to reach that price unless the specs are far below the PS4.
I still can't evaluate what those rumored specs are compared to the PS4. Yes, DDR3 is cheaper, but the chipset looks far more complicated; not sure if it'll cost more than PS4's APU design (I guess it does), but it saves on CUs to balance this out?
Unless MS pulls another 4GB (or 16GB) flash version to shave off those $100. Could well be. I can see MS playing the price game more than Sony. They have the financial muscles to do that.
If you want something along the lines of a Wii u then sure. I hope they target 500$ for the premium model with decent specs that can hold up a few years. For those who can't afford it buy a Wii u.
Who cares at this point? The system is junk made for casual smacks who like to feel important by posting on facespace and twitter... I don't need it.
What's even more pathetic -- 8gb of the best ram in the world and Sony is wasting it all on these idiotic features and not the games. What a pathetic turn of events. What's even worse, we can't even access our PSN accounts or our PSN games or our PS+ games on the new system.
Ps4 ---> I'm out. Keep your garbage, social system. Let the hipsters have it.
Nope, haven't owned a single system other than a Sony one since 1995 with the launch of the PSone... I've been a loyal consumer since day 1 with these guys. And they lost me.
I'm willing to bet you don't even own a PS3 and just tried Wipeout at a friends house, because the other scenario is buying a PS3 and never playing any games, which is extremely unlikely.
EDIT - and from checking your comment history its confirmed you are just a troll :/
That would be sad. I liked the "only $599 USD!" memes :( oh well, whatever the price, it will be a good gaming investment, and hopefully more affordable out of the gate.
600$? I bought my 1st ps3 June 2007 670 euros and after YLOD in February 2011 i bought my 2nd 300 euros. At that time i had a job and i could do things. Now i can't and i think that this is a problem for many people in the World so if SONY release ps4 for 600$ or 600 euros they are going to see less sales...
Sony should have 2 sku's. Cheaper Ps4 Model 120gb hdd with no game Price Range of $399.99 to $449.99
Expensive Ps4 Model 500gb hdd with Killzone Shadow Fall Price Range of $499.99 to $549.99
Would make more sense because you would want more gamers to enjoy killzone and ppl will throw in extra money for the extra hdd space & killzone coming with it. Just thinking realistically.
Edit: I hope its cheaper but lets just hope im wrong & it is cheaper.
I agree. But I think 120GB is too small. I'd rather see 250-320 for the entry model. Unless they release a flash only version (like they did with the European PS3). I wouldn't be so opposed to that idea, because I am sure you can add your own HDD and actually safe money against the high end model. (In Europe the 12GB+500GB extra HDD is cheaper than the model with that same HDD included).
-349,99$ for the standard PS4 + 1 controller and a 500 GB HDD -399,99$ for the PS4 with a 1 TB HDD + 2 controllers + the stereo camera+ a free 1 year PS+ subscription + 1 voucher to download a free digital game (or even an actual copy of Killzone:SF for ex.)
And for just 19.99 Sony will double your order. You get 2 PS4s for just 399.99, but wait, if you pre-order through the Sony store Sony will include a 60 inch 4k tv home theater system. Order in the next five minutes and Sony will deliver your order in your brand new pimped out Range Rover sport.
I would say the heavily rumored $429 smaller hdd version, & $529 bigger hdd is close to the money, & for me, is reasonable....either way, I'm getting the big sucker at midnight launch, without question.
Hmm then add better hardware specs to make up for that 100€ controller. Minus R@D because Sony didnt have to research the tablet controller. Hmm also the CPU is a custom tri core Wii CPU so thats probably more expensive than the A10.
Ok after looking at all this i could see why its possible for Sony to sell the console at 400€.
Wow looking at ps4 and thinking it could launch around $399 is making the wiiU sound severly overpriced. Currnt gen WiiU deluxe - $350 Next gen ps4 - $399
If the wiiU didn't come with the gamepad and only used the pro controller, it would probably only cost around $199. The gamepad ups the charge when so far it doesn't add anything substantial to the games on offer right now. I should know, I've owned one since launch. And am currently regretting that purchase deeply.
I'm guessing 500 bucks. GDDR5 doesn't come cheap. They're running and 8-core processor and a custom 7850 Radeon which is already around 200 bucks alone. I personally think they should scale the GDDR5 RAM from 8 to 6 or even 4 to cut costs.
Factor in R&D, marketing, shipping, etc. they can't afford to take a massive loss. That said I'm looking forward to the console though.
It only doesn't work like that on PC motherboards. If they want it to have 6 gb then that's not a problem. Apparently GDDR5 memory only comes in 512mb modules so it's amazing they can fit 8 gb in.
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Thats the perfect for me $499,99 with lots of extra if not ill buy the cheaper one and get watch dogs alone, i doubt DriveClub will be a launch title tho.
lol you hipster, but I get what you're saying, you feel special because you could afford it, I honestly think it would be bad for Sony though, they wouldn't make as much money, I'd definitely pay $499.99 for a larger HDD and PS+ for a year.
Uhhh... The 8GB of GDDR5 ram is really freakin' cheap my friend.
People seem to think, GDDR5 is gonna cost them thousands. It wont.
Exactly, with all the talk about no loading times, access time is a concern. If you have 1TB of data in 7200rpm drive you gonna need a lot of redundant data or markers, otherwise loading times will still be noticeable. If you go with an SSD that problem is solved but it's yet to be seen if it's cost friendly to add on a console.
People buy the Deluxe Wii U more than the basic not only because 8 gigs is a joke, but because of the game pack in and the color matches more home entertainment set ups - AND the sku's are so close in price that it makes sense. I think Sony will do something similar with the PS4.
For me, price doesn't really matter. You'd need an $800 budget or something anyway. I want 3-4 games as well, and those will add quite a bit to the pricing. With that said, I'd want a big HDD, too. I hope it'll fit into that budget.
But
I do believe Sony will have the price higher than what people are expecting. Sony needs profit from the PS4 Sony's financial standings do rely heavily on their gaming division Sony wants to keep the losses as less damaging as possible. So, theirs a high chance Sony's console will be a bit pricey at launch, realistically.
EDIT: Jack Tretton "hopes" it won't cost 600$. Crossing fingers they don't
PS9 leaked gameplay footage, looks like the real deal:
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We will see soon enough.
Hell, we don't even do that anymore with everything being online. I think I'd buy a second at launch and 2 is enough for me.
the controller + decent enough headset
I dunno, i'd go 599 again if that was the price. OBVIOUSLY i'd be happy if it was cheaper but just saying, i'd go 599. I don't regret getting the PS3 at 599 for a second >.>
Not sure how memory comes but anything above 300Gb at a $599 price would be great in my opinion. The console is going to be packing 7years newer tech than the PS3 was so if it did end up costing that much, I would be alright with it. Same goes for Xbox if it launches around the same price point, Ill be buying both.
EDIT** After reading one line into the article what I just said stands true. You guys should learn to read:
"I guess the image I would give [compared to PS3] is that it's like a magnifying lens," he told Digital Spy.
"Every core pillar of the game is able to be pushed further. We're able to push the immersion. The fidelity of the graphics is one part of the immersion, but it's more than graphics."
OBVIOUSLY MEANS THEY ARE REFERRING TO THE PS3 AND THE OTHER CURRENT GEN CONSOLES.
how can GDDR5 RAM be "off the shelves", please explain?
im all out to pay for it, Sony makes amazing machines that are actually worth their price tag.
Hearsay's awesome, yeh?
Interesting
but i doubt that..
Either way no games they showed made me want a ps4. A couple tech demos that might become decent games years from from now but the only good game set in stone for me is watch dogs. That I could play on the next Xbox or pc so its not a reason to spend 4-500 dollars. They need exclusives and not timed dlc or another fps. Same for MS. Halo and Gears won't sell me. Bring new ip's and do not focus on Kinect.
Oh, and I'm going to be inaugurated as the new Pope next month as well.
$299 is too cheap for something with half decent specs and I expect the 720 to be competing with the PS4 in that area. $299 is highly unlikely.
For the PS4 I will gladly pay $499 US dollars at launch, for a premium edition with lots of extras.
299 = lol fools
I still can't evaluate what those rumored specs are compared to the PS4. Yes, DDR3 is cheaper, but the chipset looks far more complicated; not sure if it'll cost more than PS4's APU design (I guess it does), but it saves on CUs to balance this out?
Unless MS pulls another 4GB (or 16GB) flash version to shave off those $100. Could well be. I can see MS playing the price game more than Sony. They have the financial muscles to do that.
Oh and yeah, I would probably pay $599 but would much rather pay less than $500
For those who can't afford it buy a Wii u.
What's even more pathetic -- 8gb of the best ram in the world and Sony is wasting it all on these idiotic features and not the games. What a pathetic turn of events. What's even worse, we can't even access our PSN accounts or our PSN games or our PS+ games on the new system.
Ps4 ---> I'm out. Keep your garbage, social system. Let the hipsters have it.
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Then could you explain why your linked PS3 ID only has 2 trophies? (Both from this year)
http://psnprofiles.com/Soph...
I'm willing to bet you don't even own a PS3 and just tried Wipeout at a friends house, because the other scenario is buying a PS3 and never playing any games, which is extremely unlikely.
EDIT - and from checking your comment history its confirmed you are just a troll :/
Cheaper Ps4 Model
120gb hdd with no game Price Range of $399.99 to $449.99
Expensive Ps4 Model
500gb hdd with Killzone Shadow Fall Price Range of $499.99 to $549.99
Would make more sense because you would want more gamers to enjoy killzone and ppl will throw in extra money for the extra hdd space & killzone coming with it. Just thinking realistically.
Edit: I hope its cheaper but lets just hope im wrong & it is cheaper.
It'll be $599.98! *GIGAGASP*
Especially since the wii-U is $349.99.
The blind are stupid, and it seems console gamers are pretty darn blind.
-399,99$ for the PS4 with a 1 TB HDD + 2 controllers + the stereo camera+ a free 1 year PS+ subscription + 1 voucher to download a free digital game (or even an actual copy of Killzone:SF for ex.)
It's possible I think.
Oh wait let me check that.
Wii U - expensive controller
Hmm then add better hardware specs to make up for that 100€ controller. Minus R@D because Sony didnt have to research the tablet controller. Hmm also the CPU is a custom tri core Wii CPU so thats probably more expensive than the A10.
Ok after looking at all this i could see why its possible for Sony to sell the console at 400€.
Agree if yes. I would like to believe no, but I don't.
Currnt gen WiiU deluxe - $350
Next gen ps4 - $399
If the wiiU didn't come with the gamepad and only used the pro controller, it would probably only cost around $199. The gamepad ups the charge when so far it doesn't add anything substantial to the games on offer right now. I should know, I've owned one since launch. And am currently regretting that purchase deeply.
I'm willing to pay for that.
Still can't believe it has 8GB of GDDR5.
The profit sounds tempting by not undercutting the $ 349.99 Wii U.
Factor in R&D, marketing, shipping, etc. they can't afford to take a massive loss. That said I'm looking forward to the console though.