The PlayStation 4 reveal yesterday was impressive and threw down a gauntlet. How can Microsoft steal the show from Sony?
1. Dont focus on Kinect crap 2. Give exclusives besides Halo, Forza, Alan Wake, and Fable. 3. Match power or higher of PS4 4. Give low price point 5. Not show Next Xbox is just a fancy cable box 6. Playing online free 7. Able to play used games and not always having to be on internet
By making Live free. If they don't I'm not buying their next gen console.
Not making Live free this gen would be the dumbest move.
Microsoft wont abandon the profits. If they can keep their brand perception ahead, then they can continue getting away with charging for LIVE. I am expecting some solid OS features and app partnerships that can take MS a long way when it comes to being a family-oriented entertainment hub. If they can make those new consumers pay for an XBL subscription, then there wont be a necessity to go free to access LIVE.
Agreed, if PSN is free. (Basic online MP) while XBL is not, while also having to keep paying to have access to Netflix, Hulu, etc. (Things you've already payed for). Wouldn't want a 720 either. Also hope Microsoft doesn't focus on Kinect TOO much this time. : /
- They will focus on Kinect crap. "Better with Kinect" has become their thing now. If they stop, how will Kinect sell? - Most of their 1st party studios are developing Kinect titles. They're small teams, 343i and Turn 10 excluded. Chances of seeing a new hardcore IP are low, unless you're expecting a 3rd party timed exclusive. 343i are working on the next Halo, Turn 10 the next Forza - Matching or surpassing the power of the PS4 is very important, agreed - Define low. I doubt the PS4 or next Xbox will be under $450 - Expansion of Xbox Live services are a given. Xbox Live will not go free - Playing online for free should be their main focus. PSN does it, why can't Microsoft? - I don't think they'll block used games. If they do, they might as well throw in the towel now You forgot two more things, though. RROD and blu-ray. Overall, there's a lot of pressure for Microsoft here.
The way i see it, Microsoft got away with charging for P2P with the original Xbox because it was seen as a worthy service because it was unmatched on consoles .. YET, it was still P2P,charging for which is insulting. And since Xbox popularly boomed this gen, people turned a blind eye to the fact that you're forced to pay for basic online connectivity.
So if consumers are smart and see Sony's approach to the 'Freemium' model, i honestly don't see Microsoft getting away with it for much longer. Facing the pretty much inevitable, Sony and MS' services will be in the same ballpark next gen, so forcing you for what is basic entry to the multiplayer sections of games you've already paid full asking price for is going to push people further away from MS, especially since Sony and their games are no longer looking to be the industry's whipping boy.
Consumer standards should've been all over MS as soon as they charged you to access FREE apps every year.
if they have to "top" sony as much as they want to hit parity with them. I mean last gen the 360 and ps3 were more alike than different. It seems this gen they could be even closer in terms of specs. if that's true, there would be pretty much no difference in a game for ps4 as it would be on 720. unless of course, that game is exclusive or offers something to differentiate it from the other. Ms will more than likely be more focused on the entertainment aspect. We all assume sony is their biggest rival when it comes to gaming but Apple seems more of a serious threat when it comes to other entertainment aspects. So while i await some hard facts about what the nextbox can do for gaming, i am also eagerly awaiting to see how they take on Apple and the new generation of smart devices that are more prevalent in our everyday lives. Oh and making online free....yeah that would be a good move but dont give up on the members who have been loyal for so long. they have to build more trust with content partners to deliver the goods that are WORTH paying for not just the fact that we are paying for them.
Dude, get a $40 live card from amazon and call it a year. Seriously? .11 cents a day is that hard to come by? Make no mistake, ps owners dont have the same level of service for online games with their free svc.
I wish MS would make XBL free but I think most of us don't see that happening. It's just too much of a cash cow for them. Other than that I would like to see some new IPs from MS. They came out of the gate on fire with the 360 and then dwindled into relying heavily on 4 franchise titles, multiplats and Kinect. I guess we will have to wait until E3 to find out. This should be one hell of an E3. Sony set the bar high and you know MS doesn't want to lose their foothold in North America. Should be very interesting. One thing is for sure, Sony has my attention. Let's see if MS can match or surpass them. Either way I'm getting both day one.
Regardless of what they announce... it's gonna be a tough one. Gonna be another great console war.
Although, Sony didn't go for the jugular they definately made the case for the PS4. In my opinion, they unintentionally made the case that the PS3 might be a little stronger games wise than the PS4 is early on. MS definately is in the same position it always was, they need to deliver. - The rumor is that Sony's online structure won't be free. Regardless, MS just simply needs to keep the focusing on strengthening Live's content and capabilities, all the while selling the gamer on why Live is still where 20 million will want to game daily. - Adding Blu-Ray is huge for MS, but if the 720 is BC compatible the system has a one-up on Sony. - Over 20 first party devs are making next gen games for MS, not including partnerships with Crytek and Epic. So don't just worry about simpy releasing New IPs, make GREAT NEW IPS that can stand toe to toe with the big dogs. Not one new Sony new IP could touch Killzone 4. The Wii-U is in peril not because of New IPs like Zombie-U, it's because they need the first party staples that Nintendo fans love in the roster to sell systems. - Don't listen to the haters of Kinect. Sony didn't include a camera for nothing. We just watch Sony's most creative developer demonstrate a casual MOVE game as their next project. Show off Kinect 2.0 and the Wii-U audience and the gamers who bought the original Kinect will still be onboard. Especially if those big Kinect games like the K. Sports and DCs are backwards compatible. - Launch a seperate show like Sony did, much closer or prior to E3 and announce the sysyem and gain 2 extra hours of coverage for the new sysyem as Sony wisely did. At the end of the day, even with the great position the current gen Xbox has put MS in, they need to double down and even work harder this coming gen because Sony is going all in. Evil
What they should do as far Xbox live silver and gold goes. XBLS should include -free online gaming or have a buy once play online forever option, if they really want $$$ that bad). -Free browers,twitter,facebook and etc with ads(not the kind that interrupts you) -If I got account with any video service like Netflix, Hulu or etc I can just use that account to login and watch without the need XBLG. XBLG still $60 but it will get -free online video service(Hulu,Netflix, Crackle or etc) no account needed. Meaning you could acess these service without the actual need of an account. -Discount on DLC and other products -Early Access to demos, dlc and etc -No ads with services like Facebook,twitter and etc
Cheap bastard. You get what you pay for!
@Logic - Why? MS has millions of subscribers that are willing to pay for online play, and it will not get rid of it until it is substantially losing to Sony. @DaThreats - 1. No chance, will definitely be mentioned. 2. Gears possibly, and they will most likely have new IP. 3. Won't match it. It will be weaker according to the rumored specs, which it turns out were almost exact for PS4. So expect the same for 720. I can only think that MS might increase RAM more from 8GB. 4. Very likely. 5. Will be the same as 360, with a few more partners on board. This stuff might possibly be free rather than part of XBLG. 6. Not going to happen. 7. This rumor seems very dodgy. If it was true, MS is probably doing a U-Turn right now.
Microsoft has at least 10 new projects In development according to wiki. They will have no shortage of new ip's. 343 Industries – Halo series Connected Experiences – Untitled Project – Design Large scale multiplayer title and help other first party studios Good Science Studio – Kinect Adventures, Kinect Fun Labs Kids and Lifestyle Entertainment – Untitled Project Microsoft Studios – Los Angeles – Untitled Project Microsoft Studios – Mobile Gaming – ilomilo Microsoft Studios – Redmond Publishing – Overseeing and co-developing multiple projects in conjunction with third party development studios Platform Next Studios – Untitled Project Playful Learning – Untitled Project Skybox Sports – Untitled Project Turn 10 Studios – Forza Motorsport series Twisted Pixel Games – The Gunstringer, LocoCycle Xbox Live Productions – South Park Let's Go Tower Defense Play!, South Park: Tenorman's Revenge, Avatar Kinect Europe Lionhead Studios – Fable series, Black & White series; Unannounced MMO-like New IP Lift London – Multiple Cloud Based gaming projects Rare Ltd. – Banjo-Kazooie series, Viva Piñata, Perfect Dark series, Kinect Sports series Soho Productions – Kinect Sesame Street TV Press Play – Untitled Project Canada BigPark – Joy Ride series, Kinect Sports: Season Two Black Tusk Studios – Untitled Project Microsoft Studios Victoria – Untitled Project
Yep, Making Live for free and a lot of AAA exclusive games. And please not again Gears, Halo and Forza but new IP's we need.
The first comment brought some good points. With that said Microsoft can still top the PS4 no matter how many doubters disagree. I personally don't think they will but I'm not ruling it out.
MS can afford to give MP away for free come next gen. Sony will have paid subscriptions but will keep the core of the system free which includes free MP as well as other features. The new social features look crazy on PS4. And I'm sure next gen Xbox Live will be insane as well, but I believe MP won't be in the "gold" package come next gen no way. MS has caught a glimpse of what PS4 will be able to do. Something like MP now is nothing, feesable and basic feature that everyone wants out of the box and I'm sure MS now knows this now. Halo, Forza Fable (Kinect) released last year I also read somewhere Fable will make 2014 debut. GOW releases soon. So, what does that leave MS when it comes to hardcore games? Lets see... Black Tusks New AAA "next big thing" Ip.Alan Wake 2, Ryse, PGR, Ruffians new Ip, Killer Instinct, Rares new project, plus 2 or however many more possible Ip's. Whats also interesting is The lead designer of Ruffian games says he has 4 unannounced Ips? "Including a “third person action title” and a “multiplayer game” with mentions of CryEngine 3. If not those then what? MS always releases AAA games even if they are Halo and Gears they always deliver something for the hardcore gamers.
"Match power or higher of PS4" "Free online" "Used games, always on" lol I'm sorry but that's just not going to happen.
Actually, the current Lionhead did not make Black & White 1/2, The Movies, or Fable. The talent at Lionhead that made THOSE games left to form Media Molecule. They were the guys who showed us 3D modelling in real-time last night without the need for actual clay. Remember? Then, they created a story with motion and facial expression. Innovation incarnate.
The only reason Microsoft is charging is because they can. I seriously doubt they will make it free. And guess what? Tons of people will pay for it.
Are Ton's of people really gonna be ok paying for something that the competiton (PS4/SB) offers for free that's just as good if not better ?
"2. Give exclusives besides Halo, Forza, Gears of War, and Fable." fixed.
Sony demoed killzone and infamous. No new ip. What's wrong with u people. If xbox demo halo and gears people willstart saying same ol same ol. Don't get me wrong. I loved the conference. I'm buying the next ps def but u people shud be honest for once
@ blackstrr That's funny. I thought Deep down, Drive Club, Knack, The Witness and an untitled MM were new ips? And I'm sure we'll see more new ips come E3 as well.
@ blackstrr411: You just got owned pretty honestly, actually.
@blackstrr411 So did you sleep through presentations for Knack, Drive Club, probable timed exclusives like The Witness, Deep Down? Granted we're not sure of the ultimate future of exclusivity regarding these titles but you can't act like there wasn't anything new.
I'll pass on Alan wake and Fable..Halo looks like it has nothing on Destiny either, but Forza is always welcome. Kinect 2.0 should be an after thought $ 400-450 ( People pay that for phones and tablets, they will pay it for a next gen system ) Games Games Games......but mostly new IP's. Sony introduced a decent amount of new games and Microsoft needs the same. But stuff we haven't seen yet.
2. Give exclusives besides Halo, Forza, Alan Wake, and Fable. LOLWUT did Sony announce any new IP's besides that weird platforming game? Why does Microsoft need to do that?
Sony flooded this gen with new IPs, why wouldn't they do the same next gen? They have 4 new exclusive iPs releasing on the PS3 this year Alone, and PS4 launches this year...
@dill yeah,the mm game, witness and not counting the new ip coming out on the ps3,rain,puppeteer,tlou,beyond two souls and the racing game by evolution.
Deep down, Drive Club, Knack, The Witness and an untitled MM game; that's 5 new IPs before E3. I would like MS to at least match that.
Becuz Sony will still be announcing at E3 which leave ms two conferences behind unless they make up ground
1. agreed, no kinect crap 2. show those titles but also add in a true banjo sequel, killer instinct, conker, lost Odyssey, etc actually do something with the great ips you never gave a chance too. then toss in a few new ones 3. beat it, whoever goes first gets a pass in my book. if your second to reveal then you should have to beat the competition 4. 350-500 is a sweet spot depending upon whats offered. different sku's with multiple size hdds and finishes is fine but DO NOT go the route of not including an hdd in every console. that was retarded 5. not even sure what you mean by that so ill skip it 6. would be nice but not needed. thats a solid stream of revenue which can be used to continuously update and monitor the service. im good with it but it needs to offer more value similar to playstation plus. i tolerate it now because im invested in the xbox. once the new gen starts that wont be the case and ill need more to justify it 7. huuuuuuuuugely agree ***8. backwards compatibility would be an excellent feature and give you something over ps ***9. may need to reinvent the controller completely. perhaps even using something like the wii remote in addition to a built in kinect to allow users traditional play mixed with motions and voice. the tablet/touchscreen is cool but its now being used by both wii u and ps4 so the need something different, much different
Yep. It'll take all 7 of those things. Hell, I have Alan Wake and Fable on my PC. They need to really dig deep with new core IPs.
good list but unfortunately all the reports and rumours are leading to the exact opposite of those points. kinect 2.0 is supposedly shipping with every xbox which indicates a focus on kinect and the always online/always connected to kinect are very worrying indeed. i find it really hard to see microsoft moving away from that after putting so much emphasis on the kinect. also paying just to be able to play online and paying to use features that i already pay for like paying for the ability to use netflix is an absolute no no for me. always online, always connected to kinect, and paying for xboxlive are features that completely eradicate any possibility of buying an xbox from my mind. and even if those feature don't exist they then have to convince me that they have a stronger exclusives library and that they have a stronger console both of which are unlikely. after getting a pc it looks like i'm going ps4
kinect was essentially a prototype released to market. if they can fix all the problems w/ the tech and have software that utilizes it well, then i think it would be a welcomed addition to the next generation.
i know it's a lofty idea, but occulus rift integration at launch would be killer
Good luck with matching or surpassing hw. so far the rumours have been spot-on which means the next xbox will be running a lower grade cpu, lower grade gpu, and 4GB of ddr3 ram. They're going to need to focus on other features, which is going to be a tough battle because Sony hit it out of the park with Gaikai. And if by some idiotic reason, the always online drm is true, MS might as well just not release the next console. And enough with your wishful thinking. Xbox Live is not going to be free. MS makes a ridiculous amount of profit off of it.
1.Kinect is better than Move and waaaaaay more successful!
2.SONY announced Killzone & Infamous...not a money maker like Halo...
3.SONY wont be free either...
If Sony does charge a fee to go online with the PS4, then we will truely "get what we pay for".
1. Kinect is not better than move. There hasn't been one game that's worked really well and made people go WOW this amazing. On the other hand games like KZ3, infamous 2, sly cooper collection etc. are fully workable with move. I don't care about motion controls but buttons beat none. 2. That just your opinion. I doubt you've even played KZ or any other big playstation games. Plus how many games did the Xbox announce yesterday....it's funny because they have 4 main games Halo, Gears, forza, and fable. Bungle left halo. Cliff left epic. Forza's not at bad racing game but nothing compared to GT and fable...enough said. 3. Sony will be free with an optional premium service.
If Sony does charge for the online it will most likely be for the streaming/broadcasting/cloud features and that will probably come with PS+, I'm sure the core online gameplay will be free
It wont be free and neither will the ps4. But sony was smart integrating psplus because gamers wont mind parting with money, even if its mandatory, if they know they will be getting alot in return. I love both sony and microsoft for different reasons. I love the overall xbox experience and i used to love it for its games but sony has a chokehold on that right now. I understand that microsoft is using its xbox division to keep its chokehold on the OS. They know that momentum is shifting towards mobile and living room experience so they created an OS with win 8 to move in that direction. They want to be the pc in your living room. This is the MOST IMPORTANT thing from last night. The destiny reveal. In the past, microsoft had timed exclusivity with activision and others because it benefited them. Xbox was king console. Did activision pick sony as the better console last night? If companies begin throwing their hats in with it will hurt alot because microsoft has used this in the past couple yrs to ride out this gen. This could be a disturbing trend. On the flipside, the cable thing may not be so bad. What if microsoft sold their next xbox for $99 or $199 with subscription fee. It works for phones and could get the 720 in everyones household very early on. xbox 360 was known as the affordable console last gen (which is debatable once u pay for everything) but if tbey could do it again, it could be life or death.
Most people have enough of those subscription based platforms already. I don't see many casuals trading those for what they believe to be a video game console.
@ DaThreats Agree with most of that but I dont think you will get a free online as MS have proved that millions will pay for it = steady revenue stream. I would love to be able to install my 360 copy of BF3 and then play it at a much higher render resolution and 60fps.
When it comes to Live there is nothing wrong with paying for superior quality. Think T-Bone steak vs Hamburger. As for exclusives MS didn't too bad this gen considering they have more than Sony.
Your name describes your comment ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... 360 http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... PS3 Now you were saying something about being wrong? ;)
Wikipedia isn't a reliable source so...yeah.
Nope, online will be there and we will get charged. MS wants to win sonys conferenced? Really? I consider their reveal awfull, the worst in history, reveal without the actual console lol,,, Only good thing was third party games, same old horrible remote. Sony had good spec the 8 core and 8gb ddr5 was awesome, but let us down with what we wanted to see the actual console, without it its not a reveal jeez. If ms wants to win, then just show the console ugly or not its a reveal lol... Its going to be hard for ms to catch up to those specs, sony was indeed impresive. We might not see another console for another 8 to 10 years, it might be the last console we ever see. 8GB of ram its enough but ddr5 its an overkill, thats about 16 gb ddr3. Sony has a beast on their hand for sure on par to high end pc. MS wont hold back and I believe their offering will be better, but the power of PS4 its insane. Make MS better? 1) BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE and use game a most 2) 2 models for online, gold free able to play, share, download. 2nd model 50 dollars with skype, multiple downloads/programing/video sharing/multiple tv play from same console. 3}First party games, give us moreeeeeeeeeee 4} Illumiroom 5}MMOS 6} BLU RAY and great spec for hardware 7} more apps and entertainment 8} console sharing with ms products, optional keyboard wireless solution for windows 8 on 720. 9} let us get achievements on same console with multiple players. I only see the wiiu been hurt and third party leaving the console in droves, well its already happening.
Showing the console itself isnt as important as showing what it offers, and I assume Sony want to wait until E3 to show the actual hardware. Diddnt you see the new controller? It has many changes and new features. It's handles are longer and bulkier to fit the hands better, The analog sticks are now concave and the triggers are now convex. IMO they nailed the controller.
9} let us get achievements on same console with multiple players. It's been able to do that since day one.
1. Not gonna happen 2. Maybe but their internal studios aren't up to much and after seeing the PS4 I don't know what 3rd party would support them exclusively. 3. I would be shocked if it does. It will come close but alot of RAM will be dedicated to OS and apps, and possibly Kinect. 4. More likely to be lower than the PS4s price point anyway. 5. Lol, it probably will be! 6. Not gonna happen, the amount of cash they get off Live isn't worth dropping it unless it is a complete overhaul of Live and what it offers. PS+ got in their first in terms of the best online subscription offering in my opinion. 7. We shall see. The thing about the Xbox is that we haven't heard ANYTHING exciting about it in a long, long time. No leaks, speculation, nothing. It's not a good sign in my opinion.
Kill that huge Power Brick, Get Fuken Bluray .
If you combine all that+ advertising+ casual audiance they should make even more money than they ever did with XboxLive Gold Charging. why the fuck not Microsoft?
I want Alan Wake. There has been 1 game an a mini spin off. Its not like God of War, Halo, Killzone, Gears and Uncharted where they have been milked.
Reality: 1.) Kinect 2.0 is rumored in development for Xbox 720. 2.) That's still a mystery. 3.) I don't think it'll be that much more powerful. After all M$ are a software company not a hardware company. 4.) I think it'll be in the same price range of PS4. $400-$500 (Price Range.) 5.) All platforms are going in this direction whether we like it or not. 6.) I wish. >.< 7.) None of the platform holders are stupid enough to actually go through with it.
"HOW MICROSOFT CAN TOP THE PLAYSTATION CONFERENCE" bring more than just A' game
You mean like how Sony showed off another Killzone, another Infamous and another racing game? Come on now...
So basically copy Playstation, nice one.
wait cant someone just say give exclusives besides killzone or infamous...works the same way. Microsoft has been severly lacking in the exclusives departments. I hope they not only bring new IPs but also the usual handful of exclusives they have. They also need to atleast match the powerful specs of the PS4 or even top it. Did anyone see the outstanding graphics of Killzone Shadowfall damn.... Even though some games were multiplatform in the show such as Watchdogs and Destiny but having Bungie in a Sony show was a big slap to Microsoft. Also having all these amazing multiplaforms demoed in Sonys show such as Watchdogs. Microsoft Ideal show to beat Sony Halo 5 Next Gen Gears Of War Alan Wake 2 Forza 5 Forza Horizon 2 Rare IPs finally taken seriously ( Banjo Kazooie , Conker , Perfect Dark ) Kameo 2 Project Gotham 5 Crackdown 3 Fable is some of the exclusives they can bring to the table. As for multiplatforms games they should steal Hideo Kojima to show MGS Ground Zeroes / Phantom Pain in MS Sony ( he came before on MS shows and sony hosted with bungie so this would hurt sony kojima unvieling next gen msg on ms show..) Square Enix to announce FF game in MS Sony Bethesda announce their next gen Fall Out or Elders Scroll Bioware show Mass Effect 4 Activision show next gen Call of Duty Rockstar makes appearance in Ms show hardware wise they either need to match PS4 or beat it along with all its amazing features such as recording gameplay and spectating along with their own innovations how they will improve their service and xbox live and hopefully its free this time and follow what Sony is doing a seperate paid service PSN plus but online gaming free.
Agreed. And for the people who keep saying Sony showed off sequels...honestly did you see the new IPS they demonstrated as well?
Give everyone a free Xbox to win on day of announcement always seem to work
bring in acrobats. Announce 5 Halo games charge more for XLIVE
They don't need to make Live entirely free, but they are better off following Sony's PS Plus route. Make gaming online free, maybe put "restrictions" on it to an extent, but offer a premium service that you pay for. However unless subscriptions are slipping, why bother? If they focus on Kinect, a lot of gamers will be mad.
Soldier, you are absolutely right. A lot of people I know are fed up with Xbox, so MS are going to have to do a great big deal to bring some people in. Kinect is basically making every X-box owner mad. I'm glad a have multiple consoles, as Xbox fans are getting a raw deal. TBH, I am very sick of them. They need to look at what Sony is doing, and follow suit. It's adapt or die at this point, and I only pray that gamers will no support them IF Kinect is the only thing they showcase at their reveal. Nothing to do with being a fanboy, just being smart. Support those who support you.
@Soldierone. I agree, but MS wont do that. They already make money off of xbx live. MS basically shot themselves in the foot and this will be their downfall. A friend of mine is already fed up with the way MS handles their online subscription and decided not to support them with their next console releases. Why you ask, because he comes to my house and plays all those games for free online on my ps3.