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Submitted by pungello88 1012d ago | opinion piece

How Microsoft Can Top the PlayStation Conference

The PlayStation 4 reveal yesterday was impressive and threw down a gauntlet. How can Microsoft steal the show from Sony? (Microsoft, Next-Gen, Xbox One)

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DaThreats  +   1012d ago | Well said
1. Dont focus on Kinect crap

2. Give exclusives besides Halo, Forza, Alan Wake, and Fable.

3. Match power or higher of PS4

4. Give low price point

5. Not show Next Xbox is just a fancy cable box

6. Playing online free

7. Able to play used games and not always having to be on internet
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Dante112  +   1012d ago
By making Live free. If they don't I'm not buying their next gen console.
LOGICWINS  +   1012d ago
Not making Live free this gen would be the dumbest move.
-Alpha  +   1012d ago
Microsoft wont abandon the profits. If they can keep their brand perception ahead, then they can continue getting away with charging for LIVE. I am expecting some solid OS features and app partnerships that can take MS a long way when it comes to being a family-oriented entertainment hub. If they can make those new consumers pay for an XBL subscription, then there wont be a necessity to go free to access LIVE.
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Skips  +   1012d ago
Agreed, if PSN is free. (Basic online MP) while XBL is not, while also having to keep paying to have access to Netflix, Hulu, etc. (Things you've already payed for). Wouldn't want a 720 either.

Also hope Microsoft doesn't focus on Kinect TOO much this time. : /
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Enemy  +   1012d ago
- They will focus on Kinect crap. "Better with Kinect" has become their thing now. If they stop, how will Kinect sell?

- Most of their 1st party studios are developing Kinect titles. They're small teams, 343i and Turn 10 excluded. Chances of seeing a new hardcore IP are low, unless you're expecting a 3rd party timed exclusive. 343i are working on the next Halo, Turn 10 the next Forza

- Matching or surpassing the power of the PS4 is very important, agreed

- Define low. I doubt the PS4 or next Xbox will be under $450

- Expansion of Xbox Live services are a given. Xbox Live will not go free

- Playing online for free should be their main focus. PSN does it, why can't Microsoft?

- I don't think they'll block used games. If they do, they might as well throw in the towel now

You forgot two more things, though. RROD and blu-ray.

Overall, there's a lot of pressure for Microsoft here.
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DigitalRaptor  +   1012d ago
The way i see it, Microsoft got away with charging for P2P with the original Xbox because it was seen as a worthy service because it was unmatched on consoles .. YET, it was still P2P,charging for which is insulting. And since Xbox popularly boomed this gen, people turned a blind eye to the fact that you're forced to pay for basic online connectivity.

So if consumers are smart and see Sony's approach to the 'Freemium' model, i honestly don't see Microsoft getting away with it for much longer. Facing the pretty much inevitable, Sony and MS' services will be in the same ballpark next gen, so forcing you for what is basic entry to the multiplayer sections of games you've already paid full asking price for is going to push people further away from MS, especially since Sony and their games are no longer looking to be the industry's whipping boy.

Consumer standards should've been all over MS as soon as they charged you to access FREE apps every year.
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darthv72  +   1012d ago
I dont know
if they have to "top" sony as much as they want to hit parity with them.

I mean last gen the 360 and ps3 were more alike than different. It seems this gen they could be even closer in terms of specs.

if that's true, there would be pretty much no difference in a game for ps4 as it would be on 720. unless of course, that game is exclusive or offers something to differentiate it from the other.

Ms will more than likely be more focused on the entertainment aspect. We all assume sony is their biggest rival when it comes to gaming but Apple seems more of a serious threat when it comes to other entertainment aspects.

So while i await some hard facts about what the nextbox can do for gaming, i am also eagerly awaiting to see how they take on Apple and the new generation of smart devices that are more prevalent in our everyday lives.

Oh and making online free....yeah that would be a good move but dont give up on the members who have been loyal for so long. they have to build more trust with content partners to deliver the goods that are WORTH paying for not just the fact that we are paying for them.
Godz Kastro  +   1012d ago
Dude, get a $40 live card from amazon and call it a year. Seriously? .11 cents a day is that hard to come by? Make no mistake, ps owners dont have the same level of service for online games with their free svc.
Boody-Bandit  +   1012d ago
I wish MS would make XBL free but I think most of us don't see that happening. It's just too much of a cash cow for them.

Other than that I would like to see some new IPs from MS. They came out of the gate on fire with the 360 and then dwindled into relying heavily on 4 franchise titles, multiplats and Kinect.

I guess we will have to wait until E3 to find out. This should be one hell of an E3. Sony set the bar high and you know MS doesn't want to lose their foothold in North America. Should be very interesting.

One thing is for sure, Sony has my attention. Let's see if MS can match or surpass them. Either way I'm getting both day one.
Peppino7  +   1012d ago
Regardless of what they announce... it's gonna be a tough one. Gonna be another great console war.
EVILDEAD360  +   1012d ago
MS better not sleep on the Giant because it won't go well next go-around
Although, Sony didn't go for the jugular they definately made the case for the PS4. In my opinion, they unintentionally made the case that the PS3 might be a little stronger games wise than the PS4 is early on.

MS definately is in the same position it always was, they need to deliver.

- The rumor is that Sony's online structure won't be free. Regardless, MS just simply needs to keep the focusing on strengthening Live's content and capabilities, all the while selling the gamer on why Live is still where 20 million will want to game daily.

- Adding Blu-Ray is huge for MS, but if the 720 is BC compatible the system has a one-up on Sony.

- Over 20 first party devs are making next gen games for MS, not including partnerships with Crytek and Epic. So don't just worry about simpy releasing New IPs, make GREAT NEW IPS that can stand toe to toe with the big dogs. Not one new Sony new IP could touch Killzone 4. The Wii-U is in peril not because of New IPs like Zombie-U, it's because they need the first party staples that Nintendo fans love in the roster to sell systems.

- Don't listen to the haters of Kinect. Sony didn't include a camera for nothing. We just watch Sony's most creative developer demonstrate a casual MOVE game as their next project. Show off Kinect 2.0 and the Wii-U audience and the gamers who bought the original Kinect will still be onboard. Especially if those big Kinect games like the K. Sports and DCs are backwards compatible.

- Launch a seperate show like Sony did, much closer or prior to E3 and announce the sysyem and gain 2 extra hours of coverage for the new sysyem as Sony wisely did.

At the end of the day, even with the great position the current gen Xbox has put MS in, they need to double down and even work harder this coming gen because Sony is going all in.

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zeal0us  +   1012d ago
What they should do as far Xbox live silver and gold goes.

XBLS should include
-free online gaming or have a buy once play online forever option, if they really want $$$ that bad).
-Free browers,twitter,facebook and etc with ads(not the kind that interrupts you)
-If I got account with any video service like Netflix, Hulu or etc I can just use that account to login and watch without the need XBLG.

XBLG still $60 but it will get
-free online video service(Hulu,Netflix, Crackle or etc) no account needed. Meaning you could acess these service without the actual need of an account.
-Discount on DLC and other products
-Early Access to demos, dlc and etc
-No ads with services like Facebook,twitter and etc
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negative  +   1012d ago
Cheap bastard. You get what you pay for!
gaffyh  +   1012d ago
@Logic - Why? MS has millions of subscribers that are willing to pay for online play, and it will not get rid of it until it is substantially losing to Sony.

@DaThreats -

1. No chance, will definitely be mentioned.

2. Gears possibly, and they will most likely have new IP.

3. Won't match it. It will be weaker according to the rumored specs, which it turns out were almost exact for PS4. So expect the same for 720. I can only think that MS might increase RAM more from 8GB.

4. Very likely.

5. Will be the same as 360, with a few more partners on board. This stuff might possibly be free rather than part of XBLG.

6. Not going to happen.

7. This rumor seems very dodgy. If it was true, MS is probably doing a U-Turn right now.
Gildarts  +   1012d ago
Microsoft has at least 10 new projects In development according to wiki. They will have no shortage of new ip's.

343 Industries – Halo series
Connected Experiences – Untitled Project – Design Large scale multiplayer title and help other first party studios
Good Science Studio – Kinect Adventures, Kinect Fun Labs
Kids and Lifestyle Entertainment – Untitled Project
Microsoft Studios – Los Angeles – Untitled Project
Microsoft Studios – Mobile Gaming – ilomilo
Microsoft Studios – Redmond Publishing – Overseeing and co-developing multiple projects in conjunction with third party development studios
Platform Next Studios – Untitled Project
Playful Learning – Untitled Project
Skybox Sports – Untitled Project
Turn 10 Studios – Forza Motorsport series
Twisted Pixel Games – The Gunstringer, LocoCycle
Xbox Live Productions – South Park Let's Go Tower Defense Play!, South Park: Tenorman's Revenge, Avatar Kinect

Lionhead Studios – Fable series, Black & White series; Unannounced MMO-like New IP
Lift London – Multiple Cloud Based gaming projects
Rare Ltd. – Banjo-Kazooie series, Viva Piñata, Perfect Dark series, Kinect Sports series
Soho Productions – Kinect Sesame Street TV
Press Play – Untitled Project[24]

BigPark – Joy Ride series, Kinect Sports: Season Two
Black Tusk Studios – Untitled Project
Microsoft Studios Victoria – Untitled Project
blackbeld  +   1012d ago

Making Live for free and a lot of AAA exclusive games.

And please not again Gears, Halo and Forza but new IP's we need.
MikeMyers  +   1012d ago
The first comment brought some good points. With that said Microsoft can still top the PS4 no matter how many doubters disagree. I personally don't think they will but I'm not ruling it out.
AngelicIceDiamond  +   1012d ago
MS can afford to give MP away for free come next gen. Sony will have paid subscriptions but will keep the core of the system free which includes free MP as well as other features.

The new social features look crazy on PS4. And I'm sure next gen Xbox Live will be insane as well, but I believe MP won't be in the "gold" package come next gen no way.

MS has caught a glimpse of what PS4 will be able to do. Something like MP now is nothing, feesable and basic feature that everyone wants out of the box and I'm sure MS now knows this now.

Halo, Forza Fable (Kinect) released last year I also read somewhere Fable will make 2014 debut. GOW releases soon. So, what does that leave MS when it comes to hardcore games?

Lets see... Black Tusks New AAA "next big thing" Ip.Alan Wake 2, Ryse, PGR, Ruffians new Ip, Killer Instinct, Rares new project, plus 2 or however many more possible Ip's.

Whats also interesting is The lead designer of Ruffian games says he has 4 unannounced Ips? "Including a “third person action title” and a “multiplayer game” with mentions of CryEngine 3.

If not those then what? MS always releases AAA games even if they are Halo and Gears they always deliver something for the hardcore gamers.
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TheGamerDood  +   1012d ago
"Match power or higher of PS4"

"Free online"

"Used games, always on"

lol I'm sorry but that's just not going to happen.
WeAreLegion  +   1012d ago
Actually, the current Lionhead did not make Black & White 1/2, The Movies, or Fable. The talent at Lionhead that made THOSE games left to form Media Molecule.

They were the guys who showed us 3D modelling in real-time last night without the need for actual clay. Remember? Then, they created a story with motion and facial expression. Innovation incarnate.
Bobby Kotex  +   1012d ago
The only reason Microsoft is charging is because they can. I seriously doubt they will make it free. And guess what? Tons of people will pay for it.
Eyeco  +   1012d ago
@Bobby Kotex
Are Ton's of people really gonna be ok paying for something that the competiton (PS4/SB) offers for free that's just as good if not better ?
ziggurcat  +   1012d ago
"2. Give exclusives besides Halo, Forza, Gears of War, and Fable."

blackstrr411  +   1012d ago
Sony demoed killzone and infamous. No new ip. What's wrong with u people. If xbox demo halo and gears people willstart saying same ol same ol. Don't get me wrong. I loved the conference. I'm buying the next ps def but u people shud be honest for once
Dante112  +   1012d ago
@ blackstrr

That's funny. I thought Deep down, Drive Club, Knack, The Witness and an untitled MM were new ips? And I'm sure we'll see more new ips come E3 as well.
Enemy  +   1012d ago
@ blackstrr411: You just got owned pretty honestly, actually.
capnjoe217  +   1012d ago
@blackstrr411 So did you sleep through presentations for Knack, Drive Club, probable timed exclusives like The Witness, Deep Down? Granted we're not sure of the ultimate future of exclusivity regarding these titles but you can't act like there wasn't anything new.
3-4-5  +   1012d ago
I'll pass on Alan wake and Fable..Halo looks like it has nothing on Destiny either, but Forza is always welcome.

Kinect 2.0 should be an after thought

$ 400-450 ( People pay that for phones and tablets, they will pay it for a next gen system )

Games Games Games......but mostly new IP's.

Sony introduced a decent amount of new games and Microsoft needs the same. But stuff we haven't seen yet.
Dilldo_  +   1012d ago
2. Give exclusives besides Halo, Forza, Alan Wake, and Fable.

LOLWUT did Sony announce any new IP's besides that weird platforming game?
Why does Microsoft need to do that?
Rainstorm81  +   1012d ago
Sony flooded this gen with new IPs, why wouldn't they do the same next gen?

They have 4 new exclusive iPs releasing on the PS3 this year Alone, and PS4 launches this year...
zebramocha  +   1012d ago
@dill yeah,the mm game, witness and not counting the new ip coming out on the ps3,rain,puppeteer,tlou,beyond two souls and the racing game by evolution.
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Chaostar  +   1012d ago
Deep down, Drive Club, Knack, The Witness and an untitled MM game; that's 5 new IPs before E3. I would like MS to at least match that.
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T2  +   1012d ago
Becuz Sony will still be announcing at E3 which leave ms two conferences behind unless they make up ground
plaZeHD  +   1012d ago
Pretty much.
Captain Qwark 9  +   1012d ago
1. agreed, no kinect crap

2. show those titles but also add in a true banjo sequel, killer instinct, conker, lost Odyssey, etc actually do something with the great ips you never gave a chance too. then toss in a few new ones

3. beat it, whoever goes first gets a pass in my book. if your second to reveal then you should have to beat the competition

4. 350-500 is a sweet spot depending upon whats offered. different sku's with multiple size hdds and finishes is fine but DO NOT go the route of not including an hdd in every console. that was retarded

5. not even sure what you mean by that so ill skip it

6. would be nice but not needed. thats a solid stream of revenue which can be used to continuously update and monitor the service. im good with it but it needs to offer more value similar to playstation plus. i tolerate it now because im invested in the xbox. once the new gen starts that wont be the case and ill need more to justify it

7. huuuuuuuuugely agree

***8. backwards compatibility would be an excellent feature and give you something over ps

***9. may need to reinvent the controller completely. perhaps even using something like the wii remote in addition to a built in kinect to allow users traditional play mixed with motions and voice. the tablet/touchscreen is cool but its now being used by both wii u and ps4 so the need something different, much different
Megaton  +   1012d ago
Yep. It'll take all 7 of those things. Hell, I have Alan Wake and Fable on my PC. They need to really dig deep with new core IPs.
Blackdeath_663  +   1012d ago
good list but unfortunately all the reports and rumours are leading to the exact opposite of those points. kinect 2.0 is supposedly shipping with every xbox which indicates a focus on kinect and the always online/always connected to kinect are very worrying indeed. i find it really hard to see microsoft moving away from that after putting so much emphasis on the kinect. also paying just to be able to play online and paying to use features that i already pay for like paying for the ability to use netflix is an absolute no no for me.
always online, always connected to kinect, and paying for xboxlive are features that completely eradicate any possibility of buying an xbox from my mind. and even if those feature don't exist they then have to convince me that they have a stronger exclusives library and that they have a stronger console both of which are unlikely. after getting a pc it looks like i'm going ps4
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Jockamo  +   1012d ago
kinect was essentially a prototype released to market. if they can fix all the problems w/ the tech and have software that utilizes it well, then i think it would be a welcomed addition to the next generation.

i know it's a lofty idea, but occulus rift integration at launch would be killer
firelogic  +   1012d ago
Good luck with matching or surpassing hw. so far the rumours have been spot-on which means the next xbox will be running a lower grade cpu, lower grade gpu, and 4GB of ddr3 ram.

They're going to need to focus on other features, which is going to be a tough battle because Sony hit it out of the park with Gaikai.

And if by some idiotic reason, the always online drm is true, MS might as well just not release the next console.

And enough with your wishful thinking. Xbox Live is not going to be free. MS makes a ridiculous amount of profit off of it.
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otherZinc  +   1012d ago
1.Kinect is better than Move and waaaaaay more successful!

2.SONY announced Killzone & Infamous...not a money maker like Halo...

3.SONY wont be free either...
Karpetburnz  +   1012d ago
If Sony does charge a fee to go online with the PS4, then we will truely "get what we pay for".
Just_The_Truth  +   1012d ago
1. Kinect is not better than move. There hasn't been one game that's worked really well and made people go WOW this amazing. On the other hand games like KZ3, infamous 2, sly cooper collection etc. are fully workable with move. I don't care about motion controls but buttons beat none.

2. That just your opinion. I doubt you've even played KZ or any other big playstation games. Plus how many games did the Xbox announce's funny because they have 4 main games Halo, Gears, forza, and fable. Bungle left halo. Cliff left epic. Forza's not at bad racing game but nothing compared to GT and fable...enough said.

3. Sony will be free with an optional premium service.
Eyeco  +   1012d ago
If Sony does charge for the online it will most likely be for the streaming/broadcasting/cloud features and that will probably come with PS+, I'm sure the core online gameplay will be free
joab777  +   1012d ago
It wont be free and neither will the ps4. But sony was smart integrating psplus because gamers wont mind parting with money, even if its mandatory, if they know they will be getting alot in return.

I love both sony and microsoft for different reasons. I love the overall xbox experience and i used to love it for its games but sony has a chokehold on that right now. I understand that microsoft is using its xbox division to keep its chokehold on the OS. They know that momentum is shifting towards mobile and living room experience so they created an OS with win 8 to move in that direction. They want to be the pc in your living room.

This is the MOST IMPORTANT thing from last night. The destiny reveal. In the past, microsoft had timed exclusivity with activision and others because it benefited them. Xbox was king console. Did activision pick sony as the better console last night? If companies begin throwing their hats in with it will hurt alot because microsoft has used this in the past couple yrs to ride out this gen. This could be a disturbing trend.

On the flipside, the cable thing may not be so bad. What if microsoft sold their next xbox for $99 or $199 with subscription fee. It works for phones and could get the 720 in everyones household very early on. xbox 360 was known as the affordable console last gen (which is debatable once u pay for everything) but if tbey could do it again, it could be life or death.
theDECAY  +   1012d ago
Most people have enough of those subscription based platforms already. I don't see many casuals trading those for what they believe to be a video game console.
Animal Mutha 76  +   1012d ago
@ DaThreats

Agree with most of that but I dont think you will get a free online as MS have proved that millions will pay for it = steady revenue stream.

I would love to be able to install my 360 copy of BF3 and then play it at a much higher render resolution and 60fps.
ALLWRONG  +   1012d ago
When it comes to Live there is nothing wrong with paying for superior quality. Think T-Bone steak vs Hamburger. As for exclusives MS didn't too bad this gen considering they have more than Sony.
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saint_seya  +   1011d ago
Your name describes your comment ;)
ALLWRONG  +   1011d ago 360 PS3

Now you were saying something about being wrong? ;)
kenshiro100  +   1011d ago
Wikipedia isn't a reliable source so...yeah.
user3915800  +   1012d ago
Nope, online will be there and we will get charged. MS wants to win sonys conferenced? Really? I consider their reveal awfull, the worst in history, reveal without the actual console lol,,, Only good thing was third party games, same old horrible remote.

Sony had good spec the 8 core and 8gb ddr5 was awesome, but let us down with what we wanted to see the actual console, without it its not a reveal jeez.

If ms wants to win, then just show the console ugly or not its a reveal lol...

Its going to be hard for ms to catch up to those specs, sony was indeed impresive. We might not see another console for another 8 to 10 years, it might be the last console we ever see. 8GB of ram its enough but ddr5 its an overkill, thats about 16 gb ddr3. Sony has a beast on their hand for sure on par to high end pc. MS wont hold back and I believe their offering will be better, but the power of PS4 its insane.

Make MS better?
1) BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE and use game a most
2) 2 models for online, gold free able to play, share, download. 2nd model 50 dollars with skype, multiple downloads/programing/video sharing/multiple tv play from same console.
3}First party games, give us moreeeeeeeeeee
4} Illumiroom
6} BLU RAY and great spec for hardware
7} more apps and entertainment
8} console sharing with ms products, optional keyboard wireless solution for windows 8 on 720.
9} let us get achievements on same console with multiple players.

I only see the wiiu been hurt and third party leaving the console in droves, well its already happening.
Karpetburnz  +   1012d ago
Showing the console itself isnt as important as showing what it offers, and I assume Sony want to wait until E3 to show the actual hardware.

Diddnt you see the new controller? It has many changes and new features. It's handles are longer and bulkier to fit the hands better, The analog sticks are now concave and the triggers are now convex. IMO they nailed the controller.
JimmyDanger  +   1011d ago
9} let us get achievements on same console with multiple players.

It's been able to do that since day one.
asmith2306  +   1012d ago
1. Not gonna happen

2. Maybe but their internal studios aren't up to much and after seeing the PS4 I don't know what 3rd party would support them exclusively.

3. I would be shocked if it does. It will come close but alot of RAM will be dedicated to OS and apps, and possibly Kinect.

4. More likely to be lower than the PS4s price point anyway.

5. Lol, it probably will be!

6. Not gonna happen, the amount of cash they get off Live isn't worth dropping it unless it is a complete overhaul of Live and what it offers. PS+ got in their first in terms of the best online subscription offering in my opinion.

7. We shall see.

The thing about the Xbox is that we haven't heard ANYTHING exciting about it in a long, long time. No leaks, speculation, nothing. It's not a good sign in my opinion.
kingmushroom  +   1012d ago
Kill that huge Power Brick, Get Fuken Bluray .
Urusernamesucks  +   1012d ago
If you combine all that+ advertising+ casual audiance

they should make even more money than they ever did with XboxLive Gold Charging.

why the fuck not Microsoft?
omi25p  +   1012d ago
I want Alan Wake.

There has been 1 game an a mini spin off. Its not like God of War, Halo, Killzone, Gears and Uncharted where they have been milked.
DFresh  +   1012d ago
1.) Kinect 2.0 is rumored in development for Xbox 720.

2.) That's still a mystery.

3.) I don't think it'll be that much more powerful. After all M$ are a software company not a hardware company.

4.) I think it'll be in the same price range of PS4. $400-$500 (Price Range.)

5.) All platforms are going in this direction whether we like it or not.

6.) I wish. >.<

7.) None of the platform holders are stupid enough to actually go through with it.
morkendo23  +   1011d ago

bring more than just A' game
DarthJay  +   1011d ago
You mean like how Sony showed off another Killzone, another Infamous and another racing game? Come on now...
DigitalSmoke  +   1011d ago
So basically copy Playstation, nice one.
StraightPath  +   1011d ago
wait cant someone just say give exclusives besides killzone or the same way.

Microsoft has been severly lacking in the exclusives departments. I hope they not only bring new IPs but also the usual handful of exclusives they have. They also need to atleast match the powerful specs of the PS4 or even top it. Did anyone see the outstanding graphics of Killzone Shadowfall damn....

Even though some games were multiplatform in the show such as Watchdogs and Destiny but having Bungie in a Sony show was a big slap to Microsoft. Also having all these amazing multiplaforms demoed in Sonys show such as Watchdogs.

Microsoft Ideal show to beat Sony

Halo 5
Next Gen Gears Of War
Alan Wake 2
Forza 5
Forza Horizon 2
Rare IPs finally taken seriously ( Banjo Kazooie , Conker , Perfect Dark )
Kameo 2
Project Gotham 5
Crackdown 3

is some of the exclusives they can bring to the table. As for multiplatforms games they should steal

Hideo Kojima to show MGS Ground Zeroes / Phantom Pain in MS Sony ( he came before on MS shows and sony hosted with bungie so this would hurt sony kojima unvieling next gen msg on ms show..)

Square Enix to announce FF game in MS Sony
Bethesda announce their next gen Fall Out or Elders Scroll
Bioware show Mass Effect 4
Activision show next gen Call of Duty
Rockstar makes appearance in Ms show

hardware wise they either need to match PS4 or beat it along with all its amazing features such as recording gameplay and spectating along with their own innovations how they will improve their service and xbox live and hopefully its free this time and follow what Sony is doing a seperate paid service PSN plus but online gaming free.
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kenshiro100  +   1011d ago

And for the people who keep saying Sony showed off sequels...honestly did you see the new IPS they demonstrated as well?
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THC CELL  +   1012d ago
Give everyone a free Xbox to win on day of announcement always seem to work
kingmushroom  +   1012d ago
bring in acrobats. Announce 5 Halo games charge more for XLIVE
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Soldierone  +   1012d ago
They don't need to make Live entirely free, but they are better off following Sony's PS Plus route. Make gaming online free, maybe put "restrictions" on it to an extent, but offer a premium service that you pay for. However unless subscriptions are slipping, why bother?

If they focus on Kinect, a lot of gamers will be mad.
BanBrother  +   1012d ago
Soldier, you are absolutely right. A lot of people I know are fed up with Xbox, so MS are going to have to do a great big deal to bring some people in. Kinect is basically making every X-box owner mad. I'm glad a have multiple consoles, as Xbox fans are getting a raw deal.

TBH, I am very sick of them. They need to look at what Sony is doing, and follow suit. It's adapt or die at this point, and I only pray that gamers will no support them IF Kinect is the only thing they showcase at their reveal. Nothing to do with being a fanboy, just being smart. Support those who support you.
Crystallis  +   1012d ago
@Soldierone. I agree, but MS wont do that. They already make money off of xbx live. MS basically shot themselves in the foot and this will be their downfall. A friend of mine is already fed up with the way MS handles their online subscription and decided not to support them with their next console releases. Why you ask, because he comes to my house and plays all those games for free online on my ps3.
fsfsxii  +   1011d ago
Wait, isn't XBL is better than PSN???
Why would they do the same as PSN??
mochachino  +   1012d ago
Free online MP option and equal or greater power or I'm waiting for it to drop to $200 in 4 years
3-4-5  +   1012d ago
Then you will be waiting and missing out on 4 years worth of games....Your posting on a gaming website so I doubt you would be waiting. nice try.
fsfsxii  +   1011d ago
4 years of Halo-gears and more kinect title, yay, so much to miss...
counselorterry  +   1012d ago
Have Usher present the entire conference
counselorterry  +   1012d ago
Drakesfortune  +   1012d ago
or cirque de solel du soleil?
talisker  +   1012d ago
I'd go with a monkey in a pointy hat which plays a banjo while riding a monobike on a high rope.
Kos-Mos  +   1011d ago
I think people understand it`s sarcasm.
urwifeminder  +   1012d ago
For me they just have to show up im in.
kingmushroom  +   1012d ago
It is know to man that some fool just JUMP IN
superterabyte  +   1012d ago
@urwifemurder Unfortunately you're not alone on that many people unfortunately have the same outlook

If its a paid multiplayer system again you will still buy it?

If it has poor first party support you will still buy it?

Put it this way Microsoft could go two ways this year. They could compete with Sony and provide a 'hardcore' console or they could smell easy money and try and get the casual gamers into playing kinect where there is a gap left by Nintendo who for whatever reason decided to try and make a hardcore system
urwifeminder  +   1012d ago
I have an i7 2700k with 16gb ram and a 7850 2gb oc card and 120gb corsair force gt ssd for my true hardcore days ,dont care about the box specs ill be happy day one may get a wii u as for what other people do its their perogative.
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givemeshelter  +   1012d ago
Reveal ACTUAL hardware and not have their games and demos running on PC systems with equivalent specs....
greenpowerz  +   1012d ago
That's what I said In my first post of today. Prove that your specs are not an reaction to leaked docs from a competitor with a real console. *A* GAME on a real console is more exciting.

It was like that reveal was slapped together made with assumumed directions from the compition. Everything shown seemed like what we know about the 720 through rumors/old leaked docs and slightly one uped.

People are going to be in for a shock when they find out this PS4 reveal was based on old ideas from MSFT. When MSFT show their new console showing the docs specs were just rough draft ideas(starting point) teh net will explode.

Sony is hiding something either the console is no where close to being done and they wan't to steal MSFT hype this E3 or it had diffent specs at first until they heard about possible 720 specs and redesigned PS4.

It's just not us many many people that know about PS4 is wondering this shaddy behavior of going through this trouble with the reveal talking a ton about specs yet do not have a console built.


MSFT better not show a 720 spec-ed PC set-up passing it off as the console like Sony. MSFT better show the 720 features and games on stage with a running console.

I'm not worried about not MSFT being smart enough to know they need great specs, as they need to run all their products and socially designed next gen games.
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givemeshelter  +   1012d ago
Exactly. I am EXCITED for the announcement for the PS4 and all the sweet sexy possibilities that comes with it, HOWEVER what they showed were all games and demos running on PC hardware pretty much. The Killzone gameplay looked stellar... however to be honest, if you PC game for the last few years you seen this level of play and better with better graphics and physics.
I think we ALL want to see actual hardware from both Sony and MS. Not games running on PC hardware matching their systems specs...
Minato-Namikaze  +   1012d ago
Wut.....I........this......huh ??????
Outside_ofthe_Box  +   1012d ago
Wow you seem upset that Sony's conference was actually good, hence all the comments you've been making lately.

What happened to being a "gamer and a tech guy"?

Or do you switch hats when it comes to Sony's stuff?

I've seen nothing but "defensive malice driven delusional slander" from you lately. I guess this is what happens "when a Sony console gets announced before a Xbox console, you will attack it for the life of the generation."

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firelogic  +   1012d ago
They told you what the hardware specs are. And it IS a PC! This isn't a PS2 or PS3 that's all proprietary. This is a conventional GPU/CPU straight from AMD. You could go out and build a PS4 today if you wanted to.

I just don't understand why people are so down on the fact that Sony didn't show off a plastic case. Get real.
Gimmemorebubblez  +   1012d ago
Microsofts Xbox business profit model is heavily based on Xbox Live subscription.
Since MS outsources the production of the X360 and then sells the 360 and the Kinect at a minimal profit. There business model revolves around Live. MS would have to change there business model if Live were to be free. I doubt MS will change their business model. So I can accurately assume that Live will not be free.
Roper316  +   1012d ago
My prediction for MS

MS will announce their next system @ E3 and than state it will be available immediately after the conference. We all know MS doesn't care if they rush a faulty product to market just to be first. Hopefully they won't have a similar issue like the 360 had it when it was rushed out the door.

The only real question I have is will they actually get a new core IP our just continued with the same 4 tired franchises like Halo, Gears, Forza & Fable. We all know there will be kinect crap out the ass and I don't really count those as a core IP they are a casual IP to me.

Whatever happens I am looking forward to seeing what they have to offer even though I will never buy another Xbox again because I bought a PC in it's place just because MS is such a nickel & diming company.
BigBoss1964  +   1012d ago
"MS will announce their next system @ E3 and than state it will be available immediately after the conference" Pulling a Sega Saturn would be disastrous for MS they would never do that
Roper316  +   1012d ago
I personally think they will and seeing they know PS4 is going to release at holiday 2013 they will have to be 1st to market so right @ E3 fits. I just hope the console is actually ready this time for whoever buys it. While I don't like to support MS for many reasons I hate to see gamers get a system that is going to breakdown on them quickly even if it;s covered under a warranty. If your system is in the shop your not gaming.

And it was Sony & the PS that did in Segas console not when they released it.
BLKxSEPTEMBER  +   1012d ago
Besides system specs i didnt see anything that needs to be topped. The only games that have my attention is Deep Down and Infamous. the rest were lame.
Dark5tar1  +   1012d ago
New IPs, less Kinect and Illumiroom focus, more robust LIVE features, a reasonable price, and luring back the core audience. Microsoft has been trying too hard to get the casuals the Wii got and it's been very, very painful for the 360. Either refine the Kinect or just drop it, its not working.
DivineAssault  +   1012d ago
im not even interested in what they have to show.. Im not buying it for a couple years if i do at all.. I need to see some pretty huge exclusives beyond what they have in order for me to give a damn
Dilldo_  +   1012d ago
Oh no please don't hurt Microsoft.. I am sure they will not show their console now because DivineAssault is not interested
DivineAssault  +   1012d ago
They will show but i wont care.. & im very sure MANY others feel the same way.. Their job is to convince the consumer (me & the world) to buy what they have.. If they lost me already whos supported em from the beginning, how many others have they lost as well?

The route they took over the years made many xbox fans jump ship & many ps fans despise em.. Just wait n see buddy.. Theres probably no way in hell they can touch sony this time.. Japan already wont budge, europe will be on the verge of not buying it, & NA might jump on PS4 since its got virtually all xbox functionality & support plus more
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T2  +   1012d ago
Im with you here .. I own a 360 but not goin with 720 unless they have something Sony doesnt .. And halo doesnt cut it ... Most of all ill never pay a cent for xbl again
amiga-man  +   1012d ago
Most of all ill never pay a cent for xbl again

Well said Joecanada, if only the rest of the Xbox mugs would wake up to the M$ scam M$ would be forced to give people back their internet.
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AngelicIceDiamond  +   1012d ago
"They will show but i wont care.. & im very sure MANY others feel the same way.. "

Who are the many others? Yeah because a couple of 100 Sony fanboys on one little site will equal do or die for MS.

You weren't gonna buy the Xbox anyway your a rabbid fanboy?

Listen, All MS job is to convince those almost 2m console adopters who bought the console this past holiday, Which they will. They will bring Kinect 2.0 along with brand new Microsoft AAA games to rival the QUALITY of Halo, Gears and Fable.

Noticed PlayStation Move at Sony's conference? Yes. Noticed the hardcore games they presented? Yes. Expect MS to do the same. He'll have to be stupid to think other wise.
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superterabyte  +   1012d ago
The move took up about 5-7 mins (if that) of a 2 hour conference.
Nelson M  +   1012d ago
They cant and that is all there is to say
ZBlacktt  +   1012d ago
What's left exclusively? No Bungie and hell not only does Forza have to deal with Grand Turismo. But now DRIVECLUB as well.

Sorry kids who disagree. Try answering the question first, lol. Yeah, u mad.
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Dark5tar1  +   1012d ago
Drive Club actually looks better than Gran Turismo IMO. It looks awesome.
Crystallis  +   1012d ago
Just imagine what GT6 would look like on the ps4...
aquamala  +   1012d ago
show a couple exclusives and have UbiSoft, Blizzard, Capcom, Square-Enix, Activision show the same presentation, lol
Kingthrash360  +   1012d ago
E3 WILL BE still has some tricks up its sleeve and Microsoft will show the 720...they better go hard. Nintendo had last year but imo this year they may be lost in the 720/ps4 frenzy.
zAlchemist  +   1012d ago
Microsoft is a good system but i hate the fact that you need to play. They need to make a thing that if you pay you get better online experience but the console isnt as expensive and ps4 is going to probrably be 400$-450$ that and its going to be worth every penny ;)
thecowsaysmoo  +   1012d ago
"Microsoft is a good system but i hate the fact that you need to play."
specialguest  +   1012d ago
The only intriguing thing MS has going for it in my opinion is the iIllumiroom. It has great potential, but it'll depend on how devs can implement it successfully to enhance the gaming experience.
FlyingFoxy  +   1012d ago
The only way i will be interested in MS's next console is if they bring back some great games that were on the 64 made by Rare. Not this generic shooter fest, Halo, Cod etc..

Give me a reason to want a console over my PC..

So far all i've seen from consoles that are trying to innovate is IllumiRoom which looks bare bones in comparison to Oculus Rift which it seems will blow people away when it comes out.
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VonBraunschweigg  +   1012d ago
I like what he says on BC. I know a next Xbox with BC doesn't let me play my PS3 games but they would do service to their fans more than Sony.

My PS3 is dying btw, that's why I care about BC. PS4 will be bought if the PS4 games are cool.

However, I don't know if it's PSN or SEN that I'm using right now, but if you start a service one generation and continue it into the next, the games you already bought and played through that service should remain available through that service, without having to re-buy them. That's only a service for new customers, not the loyal ones.
aiBreeze  +   1012d ago
For me, they first need to regain my confidence in their brand and their future plans for it. Sony's conference for me, was solid mainly because for 2 hours almost everything they discussed was related to gaming. Ever since that scary E3 conference with the kids, I've lost faith in Microsoft's commitment to provide AAA quality gaming experiences for only the Xbox. At this stage, I wouldn't be surprised if a good 1/3 of the nextbox reveal was entirely non gaming related things.

If Microsoft want my support:

New core gaming IPs and for me to come away feeling like they are committed to providing more and more exclusive core gaming experiences.

Downplay Kinect. I can accept that they might want to bundle Kinect with their next gen console however I think at this point it's fair to say that Kinect games just aren't desirable.

XBL gold service comparable to PS Plus. I can understand why they'd be reluctant to offer free online gaming when so many people are prepared to pay however I think it's about time they at least make it worth people's money instead of paying for online gaming and a bunch of fancy features we can do for free on PCs, Mobiles and Tablets.

Twitch partnership. An outside chance but with Sony announcing ustream coming to ps4, I really hope Microsoft can pull something off like a twitch tv partnership to offer a similar service.

Blu Ray. This should be a given, Microsoft can't spout a bunch of "the only entertainment platform you need" nonsense without being Blu Ray compatible.
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Jek_Porkins  +   1012d ago
Well they could actually show off the new console at the announcement for the new console.

I don't think there would be much to top honestly, show the console, show some of the features. Sony busted out Move, so I don't see a problem with showing off an improved Kinect, just keep it short and sweet.

Show off a new Microsoft first party core IP, which is something Sony didn't do.

Show more than tech demo's and trailers that we've seen before. If you show third party games like Watch Dogs, make sure it is actually running on the new hardware, not PC like yesterday.

If people are thinking Microsoft will give up over a billion a year with Xbox Live Gold, keep dreaming, there is a reason Sony is going to start charging for online. It helps eating the loss per every console sold much easier to swallow.

1.Show the actual console
2.Show a new core IP
3.Show third party games running on the actual console
4.Backwards compatibility with a physical disk

Done and done.
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StrongMan  +   1012d ago

---Show off a new Microsoft first party core IP, which is something Sony didn't do.---

Do research before you spew ignorance. Drive Club was announced.
MS opened new studios name Playful Learning Studios and Kids and Lifestyle Entertainment Studios and I'm sure they won't make "core" new IPs.

---there is a reason Sony is going to start charging for online---

Proof? Where's your source? More ignorance.

MS is known for lying and blowing smoke just like lying about being able to scan your skateboard or any object and use it in game and being able to play Kinect with four people at once. That Kinect Star Wars demo was about 3 seconds ahead of the hired actor on stage. That won't cut it this time. But like you guys say all the time, we'll just have to "wait til E3".
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Jek_Porkins  +   1012d ago
I was more or less talking about one of the four new IP's Black Tusk Studios is making, ya know, Microsoft's new core studio?

We all heard about PlayStation World, which is looking like it'll be Sony paid online service, and they busted out the Move,a camera, apps, and entertainment services. I keep saying that you cant just cater to a single crowd.

Dude you think MS is the only company known for blowing smoke? Do I need to remind you of E3 2005 and all the CGI gameplay?

Sony's PS4 looks promising, looks expensive but promising. The only game they showed actually running on PS4 was Killzone, the rest were tech demo's, trailers we've seen or things that just weren't what you expect when you think next gen.

The Watch Dogs demo was run on a PC for crying out loud.

And talk about lies, where were the 2 HDMI ports on PS3? 4-D? get outta here, go back to sniffing Sony's crotch kid.
Outside_ofthe_Box  +   1012d ago
Sony didn't even reveal everything, but for some reason people think they did. It was still a great conference even though they didn't even reveal everything. E3 is gonna be crazy

Sony is not charging for online. That quote people keep referring to didn't suggest anything different than what is in place now. I do believe though that MS at some point next gen will make online multiplayer for free. I've said it before, in this day and age there really is no justification for forcing people to pay in order to play online. It might have been very profitable for them to charge this gen, but next gen trust me, they'll see the greater benefits of making it free.
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Jek_Porkins  +   1012d ago
I know there are over a billion reasons why you're wrong...

First of all, if Xbox Live Gold Subscriptions are increasing, why would they stop that? There wouldn't be a reason.

As for Sony, what if PS+ was just a Trojan Horse to test the waters? Sony has never released numbers when it comes to the service, but I have to imagine they cant keep adding features and security to PSN and not charge people for it.

As a gamer, I realize it's an expensive hobby, Xbox Live subs are THE LAST thing I worry about when considering anything. It's almost an afterthought to be completely honest.
Outside_ofthe_Box  +   1012d ago
***"First of all, if Xbox Live Gold Subscriptions are increasing, why would they stop that? There wouldn't be a reason."***

Currently, yes it's increasing, but I believe at some point next gen that would either stop being the case or they would have to make it free in order to remain competitive.

***"As for Sony, what if PS+ was just a Trojan Horse to test the waters? Sony has never released numbers when it comes to the service, but I have to imagine they cant keep adding features and security to PSN and not charge people for it."***

There are other ways to make money. Nintendo doesn't charge for theirs. Valve doesn't charge for theirs. So what does that tell you? Even if charging for Live remains ideal for MS to continue doing for next gen, it doesn't necessarily mean it would be good for Sony to it. There is no guarantee that Sony's customers will be willing to pay especially when it has been free all this time. Just because MS's customers are willing to do it doesn't mean Sony's customers are willing.
Loki86  +   1012d ago
Let me start by saying I was very impressed with Sony's conference, Mark Cerny has restored my faith in Sony after have a very negative view of Sony the last 8 years. However, for people to not even give MS a chance to try and top what Sony has done here is the definition of what is wrong with gaming and gamers in general.

You have no idea what they have planned or no idea what their system architecture is beyond rumors. Also, it has been said several times that MS has at least 4 brand new IPs in the works and has formed several studios of top talent over the last several years. MS will not focus on casual because this is a brand new console cycle and they know where their bread and butter is. MS is not stupid they know what gamers want and now that they have built up a casual audience, their creative and passion for hardcore gamers can flourish.

I believe it will be a neck and neck battle again for the hardcore and we'll just have to wait to see who comes out on top.
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Clarence  +   1012d ago
I don't really think they can top it. Sony press conference silenced all haters. The PS4 will be a beast. I do believe that M$ console will put up a challenge but it won't compare. Sony very confident in the PS4 which is why they show the cards first.

I'm sure they also have a little something else up sleeve for E3.

@loki86 the only reason it was neck and neck battle this gen was because M$ had a head start. To be honest the 360 is the slowest selling console this gen. The PS3 reached 70m consoles in 6yrs, with a higher price point. While it took the 360 7yrs.

The PS4 will not be a 600 dollar console this time around.
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Loki86  +   1012d ago
Why does that matter, MS had a much smaller fanbase when this-gen started. They manage to dominate NA and stay ahead of the PS3 the entire time, despite PS having well over 50 million more users and a two console head start.
Jockamo  +   1012d ago
Broadening the benefits of Live to Steam levels would be a wonderful way to start justifying paying for Live. But I think it would just be a start. One thing that has grown last generation is the existence of competitive gaming. Live touched on it w/ some online tourneys, but it's primarily existed in PC gaming. Bringing the most competitive games to Live would help. Most of these games are free (DOTA2 or LoL), so adding incentive to go through LIVE w/ more content might sweeten the deal. MOBAs have been taking gaming by storm, I think it'd be a great way to get a user base that's similar to CoD fans. I'm wondering why MS doesn't establish addicting MMORPGs or MOBAs on their systems. It sounds like Destiny will be that project, but who knows what the heck that will be. If you're going to make an online MMO, I think a better Day Z or even Planetside would be a better direction (unless Destiny is essentially Planetside...). The next big project for MS needs to have that addiction factor, ever-growing updates, a solid competitive foundation, and BALANCED GAMEPLAY. You can't go w/ these short burst games this generation. I think you need to focus on supporting a solid gaming experience that will last over the course of the ENTIRE life-cycle for the console. Lol has been out for three years and it's more popular than ever. They add characters/skins every month and updates are implemented in "seasons," because these things are constantly changing and are becoming more balanced, it gives each season a new excitement that keeps players coming back for more. Get that on the new Xbox, and keep people addicted the console...
baraka007  +   1012d ago
They could spend money to make fun games?
sak500  +   1012d ago
From a Jan 2006 360 owner and hardcore fan don't focus on that pos Kinect and show more exclusive ips for 720 otherwise most of us will jump ship. It's hard enough u idiots putting Kinect specific achievements in games like forza don't dilute our gaming experience next gen.
bunt-custardly  +   1012d ago
All Microsoft need to show to win over some gamers is Xbox 720 and the next Call of Duty like it's an exclusive and the masses will come running.
Zoron007  +   1012d ago
Now the thing that I just dont get is the fact If Xbox gets an exclusive at all Sony fans think it should be ported to PS then say Xbox sucks for not having exclusives.
Godmars290  +   1011d ago
Think it has more to do with Xbox getting an exclusive, touting that it is exclusive, then losing it as an exclusive. Meanwhile when the PS3 gets an exclusive it generally stays exclusive. Though of course that's not always the case.
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