Sony’s PS4 is so impressive that Microsoft will need to ‘bring their A-game’ when they reveal the next-gen Xbox, according to one industry analyst.
Senior analyst with Cowen and Company, Doug Creutz, believes although Microsoft has positioned itself in pole position at the end of the current generation, to compete with the Sony and the PS4 it will need to deliver something special and be on it’s 'A-game'.
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What Sony showed was not that impressive. It was nothing like the leap we saw last generation. I swear you people are so desperate to believe something is true, that you completely ignore reality. Wasn't 6 years of being completely delusional enough for you?
My computer (that i built over 6 months ago) can run Crysis 3 on max settings, and let me tell you, Killzone 4 has NOTHING on it.
MS doesn't need to work that hard to top PS4...but they better work hard to top my expectations. Cuz Sony didn't come close. I thought I was going to destructible environments that are affected by realistic physics, entrance and exit wounds, better looking character models, etc.. Instead, all I got was a bunch of CGI, the inside of a car, and a game that looks like Modern Warfare (Killzone 4) but with better lighting and shadows.
Also, obvious jokes aren't funny. You people want it to be funny cuz you think it's fun to hate on one corporation (MS) while childishly obsessing over another.
My hat's off to you. That was the best post I've ever read on N4G.
Thank You.
The games looked fantastic. Drive Club was good. Shadow Fall looked good. Knack was amazing imo. Destiny on PS4 with exclusive content. Infamous Second Son will be a must buy. Blizzard partnership. Social network sharing will be the YouTuber's dream. Literally everyone I showed the trailers to was in awe. And the only cgi footage shown was Capacom's working title. Good try though.
But I'm sure MS will have a successful unveiling of their own. As long as they don't introduce a random celebrity to the stage it's a win in my book.
What would kill the ps4 right now would be a scalable system just like a pc that also let devs put the game tools on the same disk.
Basically they would need a surface rt connected to a custom nvidia that could run all of our favorite tools. It could even run win8 and support steam if you wanted it to.
Photoshop and 3d programs on a game console... Hell I would buy 20 just to setup a render farm for fun. $14,000 vs 200,000 is a nice savings.
Games? How about every thing that runs on a pc and Xbox exclusives so you can keep that nasty drm off you real power system?
What about halo with a map editor, a real one? What about running an unreal 4 engine game and stopping it to run the editor without a pc.
If you don't have the game then give your fanbase the tools. Creat the next 20 notchs. Then pay them like YouTube. Suddenly gamers can afford gaming and many arm chair developers can see what it really is like trying to please gamers.
Specs would be too easy and no one cares about the social network unless it makes you money. Let video games become a virtual silicon valley.
As you can see every one can do uncharted graphics now, so uncharted will become irrelevant. Many fps are better than killzone game play wise. If you want movies then ms could just make you a movie and then let you play the game afterwards, in the locations that the movie took place in.
Then they can experiment with story without it hurting the gameplay.
Something tells me every one will not get a ps4,wiiu,or Xbox/pcwin8 so developers will be porting a lot of games.
So it all comes down to exclusive services and content or tools. Sony doesn't have my money yet. I'm sure a lot of gamers feel this way about each console. It is the developers that I'm worried about though. Can ps fan support exclusive expensive aaa games or will we see a lot more devs closing? We will see... Remember ps1-2 made dev cheaper and devs gave them a monopoly. Is that the case here I think not.
MS has a long history of lying. Remember when they said that you can use Kinect to scan your skateboard or any object and use it in your games? What about MS promising that you can play Kinect with four players at the same time? What about all of those hired actors paid act like they like Kinect? What about all of those fake demos on stage? Remember the kid faking the Kinect Star Wars demo? The demo was 3 seconds ahead of him.
MS are liars and none of those smoke and mirror tactics will work this time. Sony knocked it out of the park with a grand slam yesterday and MS will need much more than yellow rain jackets and a circus performance to compete with this.
MS opened new studios named Playful Learning Studios and Kids and Lifestyle Entertainment Studios so it's clear MS will be 100% focused on casual gaming next gen. There is no such thing as an "A" game from MS anymore. There's just "A game" as fr0sty said. Halo. Sony now has exclusive content and day and date release from Bungie's Destiny game which MS also lied about and said it would release first on Xbox. You can't believe a word MS says.
MS's biggest announcement will be Skpe will be added behind the XBL pay wall while remaining free to use everywhere else.
Not counting the new games Sony will show at E3.
I think your right.Big focus on skype and other social aspects and some more kinect mumbo jumbo.
And probably yet another halo pre rendered video.GG micro/ninty but Sony already has this on lock.All they have to do is show the console and it pops any hype bubble MS blows
LMFAO, you forgot to list Microsoft Studios that are making Hardcore titles. And whats wrong with MS making a game that my lil sis is able to play also?
MS and Sony are showing that they can be more than just game consoles(hardcore and kids titles), but Multi-media entertainment hubs(Blu-ray player, Facebook, Twitter, Netflix, Hulu+, Web browsing, apps, Smartglass/Playstation world etc...).
The Kinect that was demoed and the one released are different, so you do have a point with MS lying about it.
You have no idea what they have planned. If you did, you'd be working for MS, not dogging them on some website.
I bet you never mentioned the term "sloppy seconds" when talking about all the stuff Sony showed at E3 after MS showed it the previous day.
You people really need to grow up.
"Big focus on skype and other social aspects and some more kinect mumbo jumbo."
Again, such hypocrisy. A big part of Sony's conference was about social networking and always being connected. So why would it be a bad thing if MS did that, too?
See what i mean about needing to grow up?
"And probably yet another halo pre rendered video."
You mean like the infamous trailer?
"Sony already has this on lock"
Based on what? other than your psychotic loyalty to a corporation?
Your insanely idiotic comments, and the fact that you have so many agrees, is proof to all new comers to N4G that this is not the place for gamers. Just for Sony loyalists with nothing better to do with their time than bash MS and build Playstation up into something it's not and can never be. The N4G community has become a real embarrassment.
I have to agree, Sony brought out their A game. Plus for them (Major Nelson) to make a questionable comment about not actually showing the system is irrelevant. They showed actual games, they mentioned real specs. The Xbox 360 is going on 8 years now and they haven't shown anything other than how well they do for sales in the US.
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All microsoft has to do is not only bring their own exclusive games but also showcase alot of mutliplatform games aswell and show the innovations they added to their next console.
Microsoft will have to do either the same or alot to top this reveal from sony.
random ideas
Halo 5
Next Gen Gears of War
Forza 5
Forza Horizon 2?
Crackdown 3
Rare IPS taken seriously ( Full On Banjo Kazooie, Perfect Dark, Conker )
Alan Wake 2
Project Gotham 5
Kameo 2?
Next Gen Spinter Cell
list goes on what Microsoft could potential reveal.
all features PS4 has ala recording gameplay watching others play and addition to all thier innovations and features.
Finally a list of mutliplatform games showcased in their event.
Hideo didnt make a appearance so hmm
Metal Gear Solid ground zeroes and reveal of phantom pain? in Microsoft show.
A ff game announced in ms show?
rockstar makes a appearance at ms show?
microsoft could do alot to top sonys show.
Witcher 3 showcased in MS show? ( afterall in witcher 2appeared on xbox 360 exclusively.)
bethesda game?
next gen call of duty
please microsoft dont shove kinect down the entire show.
if microsoft does all the above it will absolutely kill sonys conferance.
Wasn't something similar to that said about the 1st Xbox?
KOJIMA WAS NEVER EXCLUSIVE! Look at all the Metal Gear games and name how many was exclusive to the PS brand.
First MGS was on PS and PC,
MGS PS2, Xbox, PC, Vita, PS3, 360
MGS3 PS2, Xbox, PC, Vita, PS3, 360, 3DS
Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes - Gamecube
MGS4 & MG Online PS3
Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance PS3 & 360
Not including gameboy color and other portable platforms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
Sony gamers just really appreciates Kojima work a lot vs other platforms that hes been on that's all, he was never exclusive to Sony
Kinect titles =/= games
It's all about dat ram, and unless MS offers up 8GB of that beautiful GDDR5, I don't really see them doing much that will match or exceed what Sony showed off.
yeah, a royal flush, all spades, 3 of a kind, 10 aces, 3 card marly to beat SONY presentation.
GEARS,HALO,FORZA not going to do it this time.
I would be surprised if Sony leads the next generation in gaming without a fight...
why make that kind of assessment? Those are AAA games in MS camp much like GoW, GT and Killzone are to Sony.
Are you suggesting that the continued release of successful franchises are a BAD thing? If so then somone needs to tell Sony to STOP development of the next infamous, killzone, possibly even GoW or GT6.
My point is you can have new games showcased but the ones that helped build a platfroms success are a staple that have to be there as well. It is a reason Mario has been so prevalent for Nintendo for over 30 years.
ALL im saying MS need more than 3 games and kinect this E3 they need more announcement for AAA game being made.
other than that in my opinion MS e3 wont be appealing event as we all know SONY coming out with CLAWS this time around.
MS need to give me a REASON to buy the 720- kinect and FABLE,ALLEN WAKE,GEARS,HALO games will not do it.
Sony seems to have a handle on 1st party games and new IPs. It will be interesting to see what 3rd parties have in store for the PS4. Microsoft need to bring their known franchise games and new IPs.
I agree there should be more focus on the games. After all....that is why we buy these platforms in the first place.
now i think i know what you were originally eluding to. You probably were referring to AAA "exclusives" rather than a general statement of AAA games.
honestly, what makes a game AAA is the support from the developer and especially the consumer. Games dont have to be exclusive to be considered AAA.
And if the rumored specs of the 720 are as close to the ps4 then we will likely see AAA games released for both from competent 3rd parties.
When it comes to the exclusives, i agree that sony holds more cards but I wouldnt count MS out of coming up with something new this time around.
We just have to wait and see.
I AGREE
and also E3 will be something big and EXCITING
cant wait to see what MS will announce.
1. Social features - current Xbox (not needed acccording to hardcore Sony fanboys).
2. Use mobile phone or tablet to view extra game material - current Xbox, it's called Smartglass
3. Improved online (for a small fee) - current Xbox, it's called Xbox Live
Do I need to continue? Yes nice looking games, but that is expected. What would be the point of showing the system if the graphics sucked? The problem is exverything here that is "new" is anything but.
i have mostly been an xbox fan this gen, but come 720 time if all i see has the next halo, gears and forza plus some fuzzy animals that weave back at me, this gen will be my last with ms...
i honestly think ms don't care though, they want to be the new nintendo pandering towards the casuals, thats ok. I think i have found what i am looking for next gen in sony
Ok, But K4 Infamous3 GT6 & Uncharted4 are ok
God you lot are so two faced..
These games on both sides are big sellers, meaning people enjoy them, why not release more of the series. It happens on all consoles, yet you give MS shit for it.
I think you missed the point entirely, maybe you are an xbox fantard maybe you just jumped the gun , but what he was trying to say from what i see it as is microsoft need to bring MORE than just another halo forza and gears no one is saying don't bring them but bring MORE than them. Sony bring infamous they bring killzone they bring GOW but they also bring heaps of other first party games with them and keep making new ones thats the difference. If you cant see that then i was right about the fantard comment.
Im very sure/hopeful they will "show" new ips.
If they do show a new forza I will be ecstatic for the game but I still want new ips from ms.
damn im so pumped for e3
One of my biggest problems with the PS has been its controller. That's why I tend to lean xbox. But the DS4 looks beautiful. The revamped joysticks and new design look like so much win. Combined with MS's insistence on destroying the second hand game market with their online only approach, the PS4 might become my preferred platform this next time around.
Such a buzz word around here. Guess what? Sony only revealed 1. And even that was ten years id in concept as admitted by the guy from Evolution.
Maybe Sony should focus more in that are because MS have about 16 in production.
Like they did in the past.
@Xii no they didn't? getting tired of stupid replies from people.
PS3 has the Cell processor where the PS4 will have a AMD based processor... Was kinda obvious that BC would be dumped completely... The only resolution was Gaikai.... Or porting it.... EVENTUALLY!
You always only state the obvious. Never an opinion beyond the obviously accepted consensus. Trying to protect that large array of bubbles, I presume?
He expressed an opinion, the same as all of you. The only difference is his comment wasn't some sick, immature obsession with Sony.
I'd say you people should be ashamed of yourselves, but I know that's pointless. You wear your obsession with a corporation like a badge of honor.
SAD!
(even though we haven't seen Microsoft's effort yet)
Watch it again and you will soon see it.
All we really saw was a little bit of it here and there and its not the same as a more comprehensive demo. We'll likely have to wait for them to reveal the console itself and have demo kits out for people ('journalists') to test for themselves before we really get to know a lot more about it. Its a small thing as it still looked better and by the sound of it was a huge step up imo.
I'm looking forward to seeing the system itself (as in a retail sales kit) and am expecting a headset to be included since all controllers have the built in headphone jack now. So much we don't know that isn't game related necessarily but everything sounds hopeful.
Rest assured, Microsoft will bring their A game. They won't just let Sony take over the industry like many others on N4G pretend.
"I've said it before and I'll say it again.
HARDWARE
ISN'T
EVERYTHING
DS v. PSP
3DS v. Vita
Xbox v. PS2
Dreamcast v. PS2
Wii v. PS3/360
The end result is the same in all these cases"
I've said it once, and I will say it again. Sales, are not everything.
Agree with what you saying and you show the facts. But one thing you need to remember is, hardware will determine the longevity of that console. For example the Wii and possibly the Wii U. Wii sold more then any console this gen, but look at it now? PS3 and Xbox 360 are still selling world wide while the wii is stagnant. When a next gen is released you can not just stop support for the current Gen. Xbox 360 and PS3 will be support for years to come. Of course the support will diminish as the year go by but it will still be supported. You can not abandon 90 million Wii owners. I just dont know how Wii U will keep up with the PS4 and Next box once 3rd party developers began to make game that exceed the potential of the Wii U.
By the way Dreamcast did not do better than the PS2. The PS2 is still the best selling home console to date. 3DS had a few year head start before the PS Vita so comparing a one year old console to a veteran is not really fair.
Calling the idiots out for rabid fanboyism is far more brave (though still not brave at all) since it's a guarantee you will all childishly report us for "trolling" and cost us bubbles.
Although, the gaming subreddits are infinitely better than N4G anyway and there is no longer a threat in losing bubbles. Better conversations there, MUCH MUCH more intelligent people (not that i'm saying they are all intelligent, but a brick is a step up from you people), and you get the news sooner...you know...since all the n4g contributors really just camp reddit waiting for news that they can repost here anyway.
I was so disappointed to learn that Sony decided to not include backwards compatibility. I was a MS and Nintendo owner this past gen, so aside from my Wii U I was heavily leaning towards Sony this time around. But the fact that there are so many PS3 games that I missed out on, I am not going to buy both a PS3 and PS4 so that I can enjoy all the missed titles. I still have several 360 games that I haven't even touched yet, so if the 720 allows me to play them, then that's one less console to sit on my already filling up TV stand.
A good reason as to why the Vita struggled out of the gates besides the high price tag was the lack of PSP support. That is especially true in Japan where the PSP continues to outsell the Vita. Had the Vita included PSP support you would have seen it's numbers take off over there. Instead, it's struggled and losing ground quickly to the 3DS.
I wanted to believe in you this time Sony, but it's moves like that which keep me from acting on it..
Very disappointed...
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
HARDWARE
ISN'T
EVERYTHING
DS v. PSP
3DS v. Vita
Xbox v. PS2
Dreamcast v. PS2
Wii v. PS3/360
The end result is the same in all these cases
What Microsoft needs to do is provide value and features that are unique to their console. Microsoft now knows what they're dealing with so they are in a better position than they were two days ago. The people counting MS out simply because the 720's hardware might not be as good as the PS4's are deluded.
I think if MS wants to release the 720 in the same year as the PS4 they need to have finalized at least a couple of things by now and have devs already working with the tech. They can't just say: "Oh lol, look at the PS4 specs, lets do that too"
Not if they want to release this gen at least.
Now, Microsoft cannot change to GDDR5 without pushing the console back for atleast 6 month's, son, stop being so butthurt and taaaake it.
Ummm yeah...thats the point lol. If there wasn't a reason, these consoles wouldn't have succeeded.
My point is:
WHO CARES what the reason was? That doesn't downplay the fact that these consoles succeeded without having the powerful hardware of their counterpart.
Games, price, hardware, features, value, advertising are all EQUALLY important. Any console that nails most or all of these factors deserves to be on top.
Why do you make it seem like price drops and marketing are "illegitimate" ways of succeeding? Or maybe thats just my impression of your comment?
I will reserve my ultimate judgement until I see what MS is offering, who knows, maybe they will pull backwards compatibility too, but assuming MS stays the course and does offer backwards compatibility, you have a huge library of Microsoft games vs the launch library of the PS4. Which one seems to make more sense?
I am not trying to start anything, this is just my opinion of course. I just feel like I would be cheated out of a lot of good games I missed if I buy the PS4 and I am certainly not buying both a PS4 AND a PS3..
...How could you not own a PS3 already?
I own most consoles easy for any one to see user name BrunoM on all of them and if I got to bet on any company to go for my needs as a gamer is say Sony will ..
But then again me having all the main systems and having a LOT of games on them I don't expect a company to not move with times new gen new games new everything new games I already own my ps3 so if I wanna play ps3 games
Il go and jump on that I want my future next gen systems to do what my current systems don't ...
So no we don't need backwards on our future consoles we want next gen AI physics and as good as graphics as we can get ..
But what ever that's just what I think next gen is for next gen games
at this point if you never had a PS3 I would just wait for gaikai to play PS3 games.
You've waited almost 7 years to decide.."oh.. I want to play PS3 games...but on PS4" ????
People are never happy. If they included backward compatibilty and it costs more, people will complain about that...
A new CPU is more important, then letting people play PS3 games on a PS4. If you have PS3 games...then clearly you have a PS3....play that. This makes the PS4 cheaper and helps developers with the CPU. Being BC MEANS keeping old tech in the system to be compatible.
I own every PS system so BC means NOTHING to me. If your a PS fan, BC should mean nothing to you too.
Either way, is good for Sony. They are here to sell PS4 games to PS4 owners, not sell PS3 games to PS4 owners (you know....with JUST PS4s)
Did you miss the entire segment on Gaikai?
It expressly said you can play, PS1, PS2, and PS3 Games on your PS4 (FOUR) using the streaming service.
MS has gotten alot better at making hardware these past few years, but still Sony is known for their hardware quality and specs(mainly the PS series now).
/sarcasm
http://www.ign.com/wikis/pl...
Also, they did say 2013 Holiday season, so its out by the end of this year the latest.
It's good to go in with an open mind, but don't put a bag over your head to hide from what's around you.
1-go to youtube.
2-in the search-bar type "Killzone : shadow fall" then watch it.
3-in the search-bar type "knack" then watch it.
4-in the search-bar type "Drive Club" then watch it.
5-in the search-bar type "Quantom Dream PS4" to watch the IN-GAME DEMO of their new engine.
6-in the search-bar type "watch dogs ps4" then watch it (yes they stated it was PC gameplay but since we know how powerful is the PS4 based on the Killzone : shadow fall gameplay footage we can see that the PC & PS4 gameplay and graphics of watch dogs will be the same thing).
Now go watch all that and then MAYBE you won't need to go to a doctor for an eye exam,ok ? :D
I mean we're talking about a company which has regularly fully staged events, from presentation to audience reaction, and relied more on brand names like Star Wars and Sesame Street to sell Kinect.
Wait what???
3 years of Red ring of death
Still a last gen DVD console ( multi disc needed on many games )
No built in wi-fi, was a added cost of $99.
Lost it's biggest developer in Bungie. What's left, seen the exclusive games projections lately? Now Bungie is making exclusive content for the PS4, oh lawd.
Never once won a Game of the Year exclusively
The PS3 has shipped more consoles to date. With a full year less lead time and NOT with a worldwide launch. All of Europe didn't see the PS3 until 2007. The XBox sells figures will always be misleading due to the years of RROD ( 50% fail rate at one point ) and the one million XBox users who's consoles were bricked for pirating games.
@ GoldenMonkey
2006 GOTY was Zelda: Twilight Princess ( look it up ). Gears did get votes. But not as many overall wins as Zelda.
Wifi was not standard on the console. It was a $99 add on at first. Sony had it day one.
Hell, I'm also missing where Halo 4-6 were suppose to be one ongoing epic tale when most of the story elements introduced in 343's first outing were largely wrapped up.
"Now Bungie is making exclusive content for the PS4, oh lawd."
Uhmmm, is that some kind of exclusive DLC content you are talking about, cause i've been following that game for a while and it's comming to
PS3,PS4,Xbox360 and PC
I think you should change your avatar to a red ring.
They are focusing more on apps, integrating Windows 8 into the system, services & all the stuff that interests the mainstream rather than the core.
You'll get your Halo, your Forza, some maybe new IPs who knows. And they will once again rely on 3rd parties for software but unlike this gen, next gen is a level playing field. So now it is which system can use their specs to the fullist the easiest that will gain that 3rd party advantage of being 'lead platform'.
Who know what Microsoft is planning. As a hardcore gamer i am worried that you may not get what you want with the next Xbox.
we already have one of those
and it sure as hell ain't Sony
it's like Sniping except i'm Sniping for the games that always come after the launch
like Wii U which looks to be getting good games in the near future... at the moment nothing too interesting though.
Learn your stuff :)
Killzone Shadow Fall will be 30 FPS at 1080p resolution according to an interview after the presentation. German gaming site 4players.de reports:
i got that from gaf
end of the day, im buying both. selling point for me will simply be BC. if the new xbox can run my old collection then ill get that first so i can play old games in between the inevitable after launch drought. if the new xbox cant play older titles then i will let the exclusives decide which is likely won by sony. again, either way ill get both, one on day one, the other 6 months later prob
One....anything they do that is related to Sony's presentation will look contrived, coping and try hardish.
MS will try and show they are the better different choice. Duh right. But how? Kinect. And kinect for many hardcore....you know the guys who buy 2 games or more every month....they hate it. And I'm in that boat. Can kinect be amazing? Yeah. But I'll always want force feedback and the ability to play my games in long stretches...try playing any motion control game on any system for 4hrs+!
So I guess they'll have to beat Sony at the Social stuff right? Shouldn't be hard for MS. But really do we care? Some features like remote play of friends is now a pS4 thing. MS brings it they'll just be coping. And it may very well be patented for all I know.
8gb of gddr ram is beast for consoles...I can't wait to see MS match this. And they might!
Then theirs the devs speak approach. MS needs to do this....but really can't. They don't have nearly as good 1st party support and showing their weak devs will look bad and again, like coping Sony.
MS I do hope you guys come out swinging...I need my PS4 to have competition.
Killzone, Infamous, and my favorite, Watch Dogs looked great though.
I believe the hardware is locked, maybe some tweaks here and there. There is still E3, PAX, GDC, TGS to look forward to for Sony to talk about more gaikai implementation. It won't be a one trick pony. Read somewhere that graphics won't be the big jump this gen like last gen PS2 to PS3. Graphics will be more about details in the particles, emotions on faces of characters.
What I expect from Microsoft with new consoles is new exclusive experiences that aren't found on PC or PS4. They have made their presence felt with X360, and its now for them to build on this, and give gamer an experience they want to comeback to. Please no more tie ups for exclusive DLC.
What will you do IF the Xbox comes out on top in specs? Will you pull a Mitt Romney and flip flop? :-P
Sony sticking to mostly hardcore gaming is where it's at for me. They have the ips, amazing, reliable hardware and being 1st is always better than the guy who copies your ideas.
Looks at 3Ds destroying Vita wich is so powerfull...
Ps4 is in for another monumental failure from Sony.
edge also said that ms will rely on more motion gaming with kinect 2.0
The next Xbox won't be able to hold a candle to the PS4. M$ can't top Sony. It seems as if Sony has every studio in the world willing and able to work on the PS4. On top of that the specs and entertainment value the PS4 is equipped with makes the top console for next gen.
By the way tell me what handheld has M$ released and the 3ds started selling after a price cut.
All these features the PS4 are bringing sound good but wait til your being charged to access them. It will be no different than XBL.
Except that Sony is actually bringing stuff worth paying for not taking away YOUR internet and forcing you to pay to get it back, the biggest scam this gen and Xbox users fell for it.
As for 'a games', just have one really good one for launch window, a Halo or Gears of War for next gen, and all is well. Bonus points for Rare-developed.
Anyway, PS4 is launching with a new Killzone and the Wii U launched with NSMBU, so it wouldn't be so unusual!