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Current-gen PSN games won't transfer to PS4

Sony Worldwide Studios president Shuhei Yoshida confirmed this earlier today when speaking to Endgadget. While the PS4 will have limited backwards compatibility via the console's cloud-streaming services, it won't transfer your game data and thus you won't be able to transfer your library of PSN games.

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Yi-Long1249d ago (Edited 1249d ago )

... and should make a huge dent in the confidence people have in digital-only purchases... :(

Yet another reason why I might leave Xbox and Playstation and go for a 'Steambox' next gen. At least with Steam you'll be pretty much guaranteed that your games will still be playable 15-20 years from now.

nrvalleytime1249d ago (Edited 1249d ago )

This does suck quite a bit. It's a different operating system than the PS3, but there has to be some way to make everything work. Hope they solve the issue soon.

Steambox... that's the wild-card.

Ju1249d ago

Yeah, like you can transfer all your PSN games to Steam...hm...

BanBrother1249d ago

@nrvalleytime

If we become vocal about this I'm sure they will reconsider and add it in. Hopefully by launch.

Just remember, we can be vocal, without whining and swearing (not saying you two were, just people in general). I highly doubt this will be true, as PSN is a massive part of the Sony platform, and they surely wouldn't abandon old games.

They will listen, I'm sure. Also, before any Xbox fans come in here, just remember, if Sony do this, you can bet your bottom dollar that MS will implement this as well. Let's be mature about this and let our voices be heard.

darkpower1249d ago

If you read the rest of the article, it's probably not because they don't want to, but because they can't due to the technology of the two systems being so different. It does sound like they want to find a way around the technology differences. We don't know the complete specs of the system yet.

Would love for them to find a way, though. Gaikai could be what they need to make things work.

fr0sty1249d ago (Edited 1249d ago )

I have the end all be all solution to Sony's issues with backwards compatibility, and Sony has already hinted they are at least considering these things. If you have bought a PSN game, the record is on your account that you own it, so you should be able to stream that game using the cloud to PS4. They already said they are working to make all PS3 games streamable for b/c. If you own disc based games, PS4's blu-ray drive will still read them, so pop the disc in, the drive reads the disc and verifies it's a legit copy of the game, and you can then stream that game free of charge.

Also, with the new Xbox relying on essentially the same processor, don't expect it to have any backwards compatibility either. The difference being, Microsoft didn't buy Gaikai last year.

Don't cry doom yet folks, there's plenty of ways to get around this.

USMC_POLICE1249d ago

Problem solved keep your ps3

blackbeld1249d ago

Yep,

Thats really sucks. But its still to early to say. Maybe they will figure it out someway later.

evilhasitsway1249d ago (Edited 1249d ago )

dont know what the big deal is ps3 now doesnt play backwards unless you download them from the store just keep your ps3. its a next gen system and i for one dont want it to suffer because people want to play older games on it. i understand wanting to beable keep your libray of games but for real its next gen dont you want the most out of a next gen system and makeing it were you can play older games would only hurt the system power wise.

i mean hell i just bought the crystal white limited edition of the ps3 and believe me im keeping that thing just paid $300 for it it has the 500g hard drive that is almost full already with downloads im just keeping it to still be able to play the games i want you cant make everyone happy. me personaly im completely fine with it because that means more power for next gen games i really want a next gen feel to my games. anyway with what the ps4 is packed with should last at least 15yrs of live if the ps3 could last this long no telling how long the ps4 will last and way in the future when the ps5 comes out it will just be a upgraded version of ps4 so there should be no reason why it wont have backwards compatable with ps4 games.

Darrius Cole1249d ago

@evilhasitsway

Backwards compatibility only matters at the beginning of the life cycle of the new console. When consoles first release there are not enough new games on the new console to cover all the genres. So people have to rely on old games.

inveni01249d ago

Who cares? The PS4 is not the PS3. Get over it.

SilentNegotiator1248d ago (Edited 1248d ago )

Yeah, that's why I'm going for Steambox....to play my massive, old library of Linux games.

LOL, dat beats dem consoles any day of da week!

TheRealSpy1248d ago (Edited 1248d ago )

You can be "vocal" all day, but the only thing sony is going to actually hear is your money. don't support them or don't complain.

insomnium21248d ago

ya I think I was going to hold on to my PS3 anyway so I don't really care.

Imalwaysright1248d ago

"Yeah, like you can transfer all your PSN games to Steam" Honestly that is one of the most stupid replies I ever seen on N4g. The issue here is how these companies behave towards their consumer and imo this is a slap on the face of the people that supported Sony this gen. That comment getting more than 1 agree reflects everything that is wrong with the N4g "community"

DOMination-1248d ago

Why aren't more people livid about this? Your digital stuff should stay purchased. I mean if you have Journey then Sony have that record in your account history. You should at least be able to stream Journey for free on ps4. This is appalling if they make me buy digital stuff again.

And you can bet MS WON'T do this. They understand that Box Live accounts should be uniform across all platforms.

nukeitall1248d ago

@Imalwaysright:

'That comment getting more than 1 agree reflects everything that is wrong with the N4g "community"'

This mirrors the time when Sony introduced "Online Passes" to curb used game sales, there wasn't very much of a peep at all from fans and that basically became the industry standard.

I think it is fine that the technology makes it difficult to transfer over, but at least consumers should have access to it over Gakai if the title is available over the cloud.

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GuyThatPlaysGames1249d ago

I tried telling everyone "digital only" versions are NOT the way to go! Nothing like a good hard copy of a game. Plus I'm still keeping my PS3 forever. I have my whole game setup in the living room from NES up to PS3 so it's just another system to add to my collection.

Yi-Long1249d ago

... won't last forever, cause it's disc-based. Sadly.

We all wish our consoles would have eternal lifes, and the NES certainly seems like it comes close, but for the last few generations, it's a given that our consoles will die on us.

Which is why so many of us really want proper backwards compatibility.

jagstatboy1249d ago

@Yi-Long, my sentiments exactly. My reaction to this news about PSN purchases not playable on the PS4? I'll be buying another PS3 before I buy a PS4.

evilhasitsway1249d ago

see i download some games but like i said above just keep your ps3 hell if you sell it or trade it in at gamestop you will only get like $100 maybe $150 if they dont do a price drop.

Lvl_up_gamer1249d ago (Edited 1249d ago )

See to me, I need BC. I don't want my stand in my TV room crammed with all sorts of hardware. I prefer 1 system that runs my library of games. My TV only has so many inputs for devices.

Luckily I don't have a very big PS3 library so I will be trading in my PS3 and all my games for a PS4 if I choose to get one...which after seeing last nights unveiling most likely will happen so long as last nights unveiling wasn't just another over promising and under delivering conference that Sony is so well known for.

I like the idea of streaming Sony PS1 to PS3 games since I am a huge fan of Jet Moto. Having the PS4 will allow me the great games of the past sony console generations.

I just got unlimited internet so the issues of going over a set limitation is no longer an issue for me. Constant streaming HERE I COME.

Skips1249d ago (Edited 1249d ago )

^^^

"so long as last nights unveiling wasn't just another over promising and under delivering conference that Sony is so well known for."

You mean Microsoft's conference's right? http://thebitfix.com/wp-con...

Last time I checked, most of Sony's conferences during E3, and Gamescom over the past few years have been very satisfying. Unless you are talking about their reveal of the PS3 which happened like 8 years ago? LMAO @ "ANOTHER" and "Sony is so well known for". XD

SilentNegotiator1248d ago

But it's not even a BC console right?

Then it's about not being able to emulate the cell, not the medium.

cee7731248d ago (Edited 1248d ago )

@Yi-Long

it cost under 20$(as low as 12$) to repair ps3 slims with brand new lens off ebay with all parts included tool,lens etc.

A healthy regimen of keeping your ps3 dust free and changing thermal paste every 6+ years ps3 could last as long as you have the know how of maintaining it.

besides ps3 isn't going anywhere soon until ps5 is almost announced lol

TooTall191248d ago

Retail ps3 disks won't work for ps4 either so what's your point? It will be much easier to store your ps3 with the games on your hdd than to also store a bunch of cases.

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zeal0us1249d ago (Edited 1249d ago )

This would be like updating Steam only to get it with

"Sorry your games is not compatible with this version of Steam. To solve this problem you will have to repurchase all your games over again"

Hate to be the guy who purchase 5-10+ or more games. Hopefully they can transfer your purchase. I swear this feel like the PSV-PSP bc all over again.

-GametimeUK-1249d ago

Your analogy can be broken to easily for me to take it seriously.

If you update steam then it renders your previous version useless. Upgrading to a ps4 doesn't render your previous playstation useless. You can still play your content on the ps3.

But I do agree it sucks...

UnholyLight1249d ago

Strangely I am not that upset by this news. I am sure it will be the same on Xbox (where all of my purchases went this gen) so I will be a little more upset when I find that out for the Xbox, but, I mean it seems a little crazy that it WOULD in fact all work with the new console.

Highlife1249d ago

Keep your ps3 then you are gauranted to be able to play your games. Problem solved.

jukins1249d ago

for some reason people have a hard time grasping this concept when it comes to the this issue lol. Like you said keep the ps3 and you'll be fine. there's always the chance they actually and "fully" come through on there promise of being able to eventually stream playstation games but until then keep the damn ps3 ppl haha.

Anon19741249d ago

Yeah, I really don't get what the issue is. Sure it would be nice, but let's be realistic here. It's a new system, why should I expect it play games made for another system? I don't expect a Sony Blu-ray player to accept Beta tapes, why would I expect a PS4 to play downloaded content designed for the PS3? If you have PSN content downloaded right now, you have it installed on your PS3. If it's important enough to you, you'll keep your PS3 around.

Yi-Long1249d ago

... it seems you are having a problem realising that your PS3 will one day die on you, and if you can't buy a new PS3 in the store or the PS4 doesn't offer backwards compatibility, you will have lost a complete collection of games.

jagstatboy1249d ago

PS3's won't last forever.

raWfodog1249d ago

Problem solved

"The executive also said that the company aims to offer server-side and cloud services to offer a wider library of older games, but said that's one for the "longer term."

Lets face it guys, how many of you are still holding on to that many games from older systems? An even if you are, how many of those games are you readily popping in to play today? Of course I love nostalgia but Sony is trying to bring us the future and a lot of you are trying to hold onto the past.

MrBeatdown1249d ago (Edited 1249d ago )

@Yi-Long

"... it seems you are having a problem realising that your PS3 will one day die on you, and if you can't buy a new PS3 in the store or the PS4 doesn't offer backwards compatibility, you will have lost a complete collection of games."

It hasn't happened yet though. PS2s just went out of production a few months ago, and they aren't hard to find. PS1s did years ago, but we can play PS1 games on our PS3s. Nobody's collection has been lost or useless. We have options for every platform's games.

We've never encountered a scenario like what you're suggesting before. There's no reason to assume we will with Sony's track record. Odds are the PS4 can run PS1 and PS2 games. If I remember right, they only mentioned that the PS4 won't run PS3 games natively. I don't see why the PS4 couldn't emulate PS2 games the same way the PS3 did PS1 games.

The problem will likely be limited to PS3 games, only because the systems are so different. But who says we won't be able to play the PS3 on PS5, when the PS3 finally gets phased out? In the meantime, we will have PS3 consoles as an option.

cervantes991248d ago

The only people who complain about this are financially poor. They want a PS4 but plan on trading their PS3 toward it.

I say quit spending all their energy complaining and do something to make themselves more marketable and thus worth more in the matketplace.

They should keep their playstation 3 until they can afford to upgrade.

I know some only want one system in their cabinets, shelves, etc - I get that, but most complaining are probabely financially strapped.

LordHiggens1248d ago

NO!!! I trade in my systems towards new hardware! It's the only way I can afford them. I hate people who say this. Do you have unlimited inputs on your TV? Do you enjoy having numerous clunkers of hardware all around. I enjoy a neat clean gaming space my friend. No BC...cool I got it, cell processor and all that...but my DOWNLOADABLE games that I paid for...no that's bullshit. Sony better fix it.

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Kingdom Come1249d ago (Edited 1249d ago )

What are you basing your concerns regarding Xbox on out of curiosity?
There has been no confirmation of details. It seems unjustified to ridicule them for Sony's mistake...

rhcpfan1249d ago

Disagrees, and yet your point is completely valid.

Root1249d ago

Can't you just re download them again from the PSN store ?

OpenGL1249d ago

The PS4 can't run them even if Sony let you re-download them, it's using a completely different architecture. Despite all of the new power of the PS4, it is still not nearly powerful enough to emulate the PS3 hardware.

Nevers1249d ago

^"Despite all of the new power of the PS4, it is still not nearly powerful enough to emulate the PS3 hardware."

Inorite?!?!?!

I can understand having to re-DOWNLOAD the game in a different format for the PS4... but if Sony thinks I'm going to re-PURCHASE the digital content again, then I really have to question whether it's worthwhile investing in a company that wants to charge me full price multiple times for one product.

At this point, I just hope this bit of news is a misunderstanding.

Dno1249d ago

this only matter for the first year or two then it does not. You guys told sony that BC is not what you want when you did not buy the ps3 at launch.

This is good news now this system should be 400 bucks... (better be)

wsoutlaw871249d ago

Of coarse you cant. Why would the BC would be different for psn games than bluray games. The disk isnt the problem, its the very different archetecture. The will have to remake all the games. They could also just put them on gaikai so you could play them.

Darrius Cole1249d ago

The problem is the PS3's price, which is the same problem that the PS3 has had throughout its entire lifecycle.

If the PS3 was $100 like the the PS2 was when the the PS3 released then BC wouldn't be that big of a deal. $100 is cheap enough for most people to buy one on impulse. Even teenager with a job only needed a few weeks of saving and he could just buy a new one. But the PS3 is still $300, seven years later, at $300 buying a PS3 is still a major purchase that has to be considered and weighed against other choices.

By the way we all know that they won't re-make PS3 games to be compatible with the PS4, not even over Gaikai. Even to work on a streaming service the game would still have to be remade. They may do it for a few big ones, but not for the vast majority of games.

wsoutlaw871249d ago (Edited 1249d ago )

They already said they would stream previous system games. They dont need to remake games to stream them.

Killzoner991249d ago

"That really REALLY sucks...
... and should make a huge dent in the confidence people have in digital-only purchases... :( "
I swear I can't understand some peoples way of thinking. Oh boo-hoo, I have to buy my games again. How about you get a job or something, it's not Sony's responsibility to give you free games.Every one is always saying how piracy is destroying the industry because people aren't buying games , this is pretty much the same thing. If you like a game you NEED to support the developer and buy it, plain and simple. Nobody is putting a gun to your head and saying you have to buy the games , but if you want one you have to pay.This industry is turning into a bunch of freeloaders.

theDECAY1248d ago

You don't make sense. No one wants to purchase something they already "own" twice.

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney1249d ago (Edited 1249d ago )

"nd should make a huge dent in the confidence people have in digital-only purchases... :( "

It has nothing to do with digital. I still have game on steam from 8 years ago..

In this case sony is the problem.

I know disagree.

JokesOnYou1249d ago

The power of the cell! I remember many used to defend sonys choice for the cell and ps3's complex architecture, also in the early days of the ps3 BC, was all important, now many say just use your ps3, OK. Also sounds like deja vu/cross game chat in regards to sony making ps3 games compatible through cloud/streaming, guess anything is possible if its a focus in early plans.

On the whole it seems sony is headed in the right direction making this platform less of an enigma architechturely, liked the event, the games didnt wow me, but again its early and Im sure E3 is going to show some innovative games/ tech.

TheTwelve1249d ago

Ohhh,c'mon bro. This is hardly true.

FamilyGuy1249d ago (Edited 1249d ago )

theyre built for ps3 architecture so this is probably true.

Gaikai streaming is one possible solution

For now, just keep your ps3 to play your ps3 and psn games.

HITANDRUN1249d ago

Lol, well some people said that they dont care for backwards play lol... The only problem I have its my freaking trophies which I dont care for. A lot of people will be furious to loose their scores, to me I only care with playing the games, so no big deal.

Axecution1248d ago

Why couldn't they just Gaikai the PSN games as well?

...Im almost 100% sure that's whats gonna happen, if downloading really isn't an option. I mean we have the proof of purchase on our accounts since we purchased the games from the Playstation Store. There's no reason why we'd have to re-buy them honestly lol.

theDECAY1248d ago

I think the issue is they would have to remake them to run on "not cell" architecture, which means a whole lot of work. It isn't as simple as re-downloading.

Axecution1248d ago

@theDECAY

It wouldnt need the cell to stream it with Gaikai lol
You wouldn't even need to download it.

Similar to how i can play Sleeping Dogs on ultra settings on my phone with OnLive.

yeahokchief1248d ago (Edited 1248d ago )

It does suck.

I like Axecution's suggestion. Our games should be tied to our accounts allowing us to play them via the PS4 streaming if we have already purchased them. Otherwise Sony is at a disadvantage compared to Valve because every gen you lose your library....

Then again I purchased all the games like ICO/SotC, God of Wars, GTAs, DMCs, MGSs back on the PS2 and didn't get free versions when they were re-released on the PS3 so if they do new versions with updated graphics then i see no harm in having to repurchase those. I myself do not repurchase games i already own on older consoles tho.

My suggestion to fellow PS3 gamers: Buy an external harddrive and backup all of your data. I bought both a 1TB external and a 1TB internal for $70 each last Black Friday. Transferring everything over was a breeze.

Luckily only 11/62 of the games i've purchased were over PSN.

Although I would also be missing a ton of DLC.

Yeah i'm not too happy that you don't get to keep your PS3 content.

They better at least transfer over our trophy accounts.

This is exactly why I purchase my stuff on disc. All this digital download crap only benefits their bottomline. It doesn't make stuff easier for us and once they shut down the old system, you lose it all. I like to go back and replay my older games.

Axecution1248d ago

@yeahokchief:

Except, if they go the Gaikai route, then your Discs would be useless and your dowloads would still work :p

...so technically, downloads could a lot actually be better in this case.

If i could download all my PS2 games on my PS3 i'd be so happy xD

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2pacalypsenow1248d ago

you can still play them on a ps3 so how would they not be playable 10-15 years too?

Megaton1248d ago

This is a huge negative if true. All of the digital stuff should carry over, even if it means simply granting licenses for all digital purchases through GaiKai.

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Nitrowolf21249d ago

Hmm I really hope they don't make us rebuy those titles on PSN. This is just one of the many reasons why I hate digital content.

We'll most likely be able to stream them, but Sony better transfer those purchases rather than make us rebuy them.

Wizziokid1249d ago

There's only one game I can think of when I read that title and that's The Walking Dead, how will season 2 know my actions from season 1?

Rainstorm811248d ago

It'll release on PS3 360 and IoS only and if its on Next gen we may have a situation like Mass Effect 2 on PS3

Chaostar1249d ago

Hopefully your PSN account will still recognise what purchases you have made and make them available over Gaikai.

stage881249d ago

I'm hoping for this. I guess we all are.

clearelite1249d ago (Edited 1249d ago )

Maybe they are just trolling everyone again and the games will be available via "Gaikai" or maybe download eventually. You're probably right.

--Onilink--1249d ago

wtf?? that doesnt make any sense... even on the wiiU with a completely different online system(and a limited one at that) i could transfer my wii downloads.