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Submitted by rbailey 1083d ago | opinion piece

Is the Wii U Nintendo’s Dreamcast?

Carl Daniel of TheKoalition writes:
Let’s not sugar coat it – the Wii U is struggling at the moment. So far both hardware and software sales haven’t met expectations and with new consoles from Sony and Microsoft just around the corner, Nintendo’s future as a console manufacture appears to be in jeopardy. The recent loss of Rayman Legends as a Wii U exclusive is a clear sign that third parties have no faith in the system but what can Nintendo do to change that perception? Let’s discuss… (Nintendo, Wii U)

Patashnik  +   1084d ago
The issue with WiiU is Nintendo's inability to communicate it's core difference and value elegantly.

As a result - the only hope it has now is in delivering first-party product, so exceptional that people jump on board.

It's crucial Nintendo deliver at E3.
rbailey  +   1084d ago
Yeah I think Nintendo will deliver at E3 for sure. Smash Brothers and news of Zelda will excite fans overall but basically yeah they need to have a show 10 times better then last year's horrible one and I think they will.
AsimLeonheart  +   1083d ago
I do not think Nintendo is going the way of the Dreamcast. One bad generation cannot kill a company that is just coming from their most successful generation. Nintendo has a lot of money after the Wii so they can easily survive a couple of generations if their consoles underperformed. HOWEVER, it is likely that Nintendo may suffer because of lack of third party support or inferior third party ports. Third parties possess some of the biggest franchise and without their support it is impossible to compete on an equal footing with MS and Sony especially when the Wii U hardware is inferior as well. The Wii was able to accomplish this feat BUT only with the support of casual gamers. Even after Nintendo releases quality first party games, their sales cannot compete with Sony and MS consoles without third party support as there are only so many people who are interested in Mario, Zelda, Monster Hunter, Dragon Quest and Pikmin.
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Army_of_Darkness  +   1083d ago
Hell No!
The dreamcast was an amazing system and ahead of it's time.. the wiiU however, not so much.
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BattleAxe  +   1083d ago
"Is the Wii U Nintendo’s Dreamcast?"

In short, yes it is.
guitarded77  +   1083d ago
It's also Nintendo's inability to listen to the development community about their wants and needs, and just building hardware that developers have to work around. Sony did that with the PS3, and it took them a lot of investment to get devs on board with the cell processor. I am in no way bad mouthing Nintendo or Sony, I love both products, but looking at the architecture of the Wii U, and looking at what Sony plans to do with the PS4 architecture are night and day... Sony learned their lesson, and it was expensive (even though the PS3 was a success, Sony learned a lesson in architecture). Nintendo will eventually turn a profit with the Wii U, but I don't think it will have the success that Wii had. I also think Nintendo will reconsider what feedback is most important when developing their next console. However, I DO NOT think Wii U will have such a negative impact on Nintendo to take them out of the console market the way Dreamcast did with SEGA.
PopRocks359  +   1083d ago
"It's also Nintendo's inability to listen to the development community about their wants and needs"

The whole reason the controller has clickable sticks is because Nintendo listened to developer input.

And I agree, to suggest the Wii U will lose Nintendo the colossal amount of money Sega lost on the Dreamcast is ludicrous. Nintendo is barely losing more than $20 - $30 on each Wii U sold and any Nintendo game sold with it makes the thing profitable.

Furthermore, it's the most expensive hardware on the market right now and has only had a few months to be sold. With more games the sales will pick up. Simple as that.
Eyeco  +   1083d ago
No , you cant compare the two the Dreamcast was screwed from the get go, some reasons for the Dreamcasts failure can even be attributed to the lame 32x/ CD add ons for the Genesis, to the failure of the Saturn and the easy piracy of Dreamcast heck you could arguably attribute some of it to Shenmue and it's monstrous budget cost, Nintendo isn't on the same boat as that,

Patashnik's is pretty much spot on, and to add to that ,the problem with the Wii-U is that as of right now its a console that only really appeals to the die-hards similar to the GC, can they turn it around ? most definitely but as of right see my point.

I'm so bored of these daily doom and gloom Wii-U/ Vita articles there almost as redundant and stale as the PS3 ones years ago.
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Temporary  +   1083d ago
Dreamcast was ahead of its time. WiiU is the opposite.
user3915800  +   1083d ago
They are insulting innovation with retro gaming. Dreamcast was the it factor, the greatest console made during its time and the price point kill them. Dreamcast was a superior machine that we are still using some of its technology today, Dreamcast moved us forward. while wiiu drive us backwards in time, nothing new with wiiu its nothing more than a challenge to 360 and ps3 and a 7 year too late.

Next gen consoles are PS4 AND 720, wiiu its obsolete hardware thats not selling and will go down in the gaming history as the great dissapoinments of nintendos console.
MNGamer-N  +   1083d ago
No it is not the dreamcast. They have billions in the bank and are not going anywhere anytime soon.
Link079  +   1083d ago
Try this much money.

Nintendo has enough money to be safe for a long...long time
Mar 13, 2012 by RawmeatCowboy
Wondering just how much bank Nintendo has? Here's a snippet from Nintendo-Gamer that shows that the Big N is going to be just fine for many years to come.

"Buried in reams of financial data is the revelation that Nintendo have 812.8 billion Yen (£6.7/$10.5 billion) in the bank - enough for it to take a 20 billion Yen loss (£163/$257 million) every year until 2052. Then there's almost 469 billion Yen (£3.8/$6.0 billion) held in premises, equipment and investments. When that runs out - we're in the year 2075 by this point - they've got some of the most valuable intellectual property in gaming to sell off before the company goes out of business."

If there were ever a single paragraph and image that you could share with Nintendo haters out there, this would be it. Hard to say the company would be doomed with this kind of cash backing them up.

Here's the link
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IcicleTrepan  +   1083d ago
you are right, but nintendo is also a publicly traded company. This means that as soon as they start losing money and their shares lose value, the investors start pitching a giant fit. They're simply not going to sit back and say, hey lets agree to lose money for 20 years. price drops in shares cause companies to do some desperate things, like axe products that are losing money. Or roll out yet another console ASAP and try to pretend the old one never existed.

I doubt either of those things will happen, but it's not like Nintendo can just sit there and lose money hand over fist until people start buying their stuff again. never forget Nintendo's primary function as a business is to make money. If they started bleeding money everywhere you'd see big changes quickly.
Neonridr  +   1083d ago
Look, Nintendo has always relied on their strong 1st party lineup to carry their systems. It has been that way since the N64 really, since so many developers jumped on the CD bandwagon and abandoned the cartridge format in favour of CD's. The Wii U at least has gotten more support that the Wii has in terms of getting some of the larger AAA studios to develop new games or at least get ports of existing PS360 AAA games.

Obviously it will come down to whether or not the Wii U can handle scaled down versions of PS4/720 games. If it is unable to, then it may suffer the same fate as the Wii.

However, with such a strong handheld market, the financial success of the Wii and years of gaming experience, I would never count out Nintendo. They will make another console, the question remains will they have to make it sooner than they planned... Time will tell.

Once Nintendo shows off the 3D Mario, Zelda, Smash Brothers, Whatever game Retro is working on, I am sure we will see many more adopters who were waiting for those AAA Nintendo games to show up. Not everyone is keen to be an early adopter as it usually is pretty slim pickings immediately after a launch, with a drought of titles. Things will pick up for sure. But Nintendo better bring it this E3 since you know for Sony and MS it will all be about their new machines, so Nintendo needs to ensure the public still remembers that they are in the game too.
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Link079  +   1083d ago
Please lets just go of what we can see the ps4 had no nextgen looking games except Capcoms game which is coming to wiiu and 720 more than likely so as far as i can see NFS U is basically like high/Ultra on pc with superior night time graphics,X looks better than anything out there the draw distance just isnt possible on ps3 or the detail ect then we have Beyonetta2 what looks to have huge scope massive worlds that you can use transport to get around and that snippet at the end of the trailer was real time graphics right out of the game,so for me WiiU is the best graphically until i see something with my own eyes on ps4 or coming to ps4 that is as good,Project Cars looks better than Driving Club ps4 ect,please beyond the Capcom game what looked NEXTGEN.
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stuna1  +   1083d ago
You really need your eyes checked! Why so bitter?
mcstorm  +   1083d ago
Link079 I am a big fan of the WiiU and love mine but did you not see the Killzone Demo? That was impressive. The rest looked very good but Killzone stood out as the bench mark.

The biggest issue Nintendo have at the mo is its getting ports not games made of the console from 3rd partys. NFS looks amazing on the WiiU and is showing what can be done with it but its not got any games that make you go wow at the moment.

Im expecting this from Zelda at e3 though and I also want to see a Starfox and 3D Mario in the mix.

Nintendo will be fine this gen. I think one of the biggest things at the start of the gen will be the Price and If Nintendo lower the price of the WiiU to £250 the next xbox is £300 and the PS4 is £400 then they will have a slow start but if they are all around the same price then I think the WiiU could be the one to lose out.

No one knows what will happen with this new gen and I don't really look at sales anyway I tend to buy all the consoles and play the games I want on them but I cant wait for E3 now its going to be epic from all 3.
Brucis  +   1083d ago
>the Wii U is struggling at the moment. So far both hardware and software sales haven’t met expectations

It's been out for three months and there were no games last month. Shit will start picking up when March comes.

>The recent loss of Rayman Legends as a Wii U exclusive is a clear sign that third parties have no faith in the system

They have plenty of third party support. Have these guys seen the list of confirmed games?

>In a year or 2 when developers shift their focus to the next generation platforms,

It is next gen.

>the Wii U will have a harder time than ever trying to remain relevant.

No, they won't.

>Nintendo can’t rely on the same 5 franchises to save them forever unless they are willing to make some drastic changes to their tried and tested formula.

Confirmed for retarded. They have more than 5 franchises and they do make changes almost constantly. Tell me Mario Party, Mario Kart, Super Mario Galaxy, and New Super Mario Bros are the exact same game. And that's one franchise.

>it really is “innovate or die” for the makers of Mario.

Considering they have enough bank to last through two bad generations, not it isn't. But they will anyway.
admiralvic  +   1083d ago
Seriously, when did 1 game become a precedent? I don't think ANYONE expected Rayman Legends to stay exclusive to the Wii U and there was probably some big reason for the change. For all we know the choice was the simple fact it cost Ubisoft more to make it, than they expected to make back from the Wii U. So someone at some point decided to make it a universal release for some reason. While a lot of people cite M$'s policies, it could easily just be a case of "we didn't want other consoles to feel shafted". Whatever the case might be, unless it happens to Monster Hunter (which makes more sense Sony side than Nintendo side) or another big game... it's an isolated issue.
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NYC_Gamer  +   1083d ago
Wii-U is in trouble because two reasons

1)no brand new quality franchises/characters
2)3rd party won't really bother once PS4 and 720 release
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Brucis  +   1083d ago
>third party won't bother

Have you seen the list of games confirmed for the Wii U? Have you seen the Wii U version of Need for Speed? There's a decent amount of third party games.
Deku-Johnny  +   1083d ago
Did you see the PS4 announcement? Wii U could run every game shown at the event.
MEsoJD  +   1083d ago
I'm sorry, but you need to pay closer to what was shown.
MadMen  +   1083d ago
the Wii U is a joke and a failure compared to the wii.
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PopRocks359  +   1083d ago
A failure after three months. Man, gamers on the internet are so smart these days!
haymoza  +   1083d ago
I'm not a Nintendo fan, however,I still think it's too soon to call WiiU a failure. I will hold my opinion until E3, then I will decide.
Captain Qwark 9  +   1083d ago
they talk this nonsense at the launch of every console. now granted 55,000 in the US is abysmal but i wouldnt count them out yet. all they need is a hardcore marketing campaign and they will be fine. most casuals i know didnt even know nintendo released a new console. once they get that out there a bit more they will do fine.

its lack of games is natural, its at the beginning of its lifecycle. every console in history has had a mediocre lineup for the first 6months to a year. no reason to act like this is out of the ordinary.

i say if they are still doing numbers liek 55,000 1.5-2 years from now, then begin writing all the doom and gloom articles
MegaSackman  +   1083d ago
They should have called it "Wii 2"
imXify  +   1083d ago
The WiiU has a huge problem. At Wii launch, the console already had a Zelda and multiple other games already announced like Smash Brawl, Mario Galaxy and Paper Mario. Right now what I see on WiiU is a black hole.
Brucis  +   1083d ago
While it had a bad launch line-up (like almsot every launch), if you want to know what's coming all you have to do is type in 'wii u games'. There's a new Smash Bros, Bayonetta 2, new Pikmin, Wonderful 101, Monster Hunter 3U, etc.
blackbirdi  +   1083d ago
dreamcast has cool games from day one wii u have nothing special even the new mario game was not the big hit
lovegames718  +   1083d ago

has has to be the biggest joke on n4g lol bwahhhhhhh

Infamous, Kz and one or two more def screamed next gen you must be kidding yourself. I bet you were one of the idiots on here proclaiming that the next ps4 wouldnt be a big leap over wiiu hahahah Think again not only is it a big leap in specs but in everything else from social aspects, to uploading/downloading to the os. It not only has a powerful gpu (as mentioned by Sony and third party during the presentation) but also a strong cpu. We all know wiiu has a moderate gpu and weak crap cpu. For christs sake the ps4 even has its own chip for dling and uploading lol hahahah. This is a big leap over the three current gen systems ps3, xbox 360 and wiiu. Once again you fake prophets were wrong and eat another one you fools get proven worng time and time again its sad!!!!!!!!

You think ppl here dog Nintendo for some fake brand loyalty? People here grew up on Mario as myself and may love the plumber but its gets old when you rely on the same ips over and over and claim innovation but dont innovate in software one bit!!!!!!!!!
MasterCornholio  +   1083d ago
"you were one of the idiots on here proclaiming that the next ps4 wouldnt be a big leap over wiiu "

Actually he was one of the Nintendo fanatics who were claiming that the Wii Us GPGPU would surpass the capabilities of other next gen consoles. Hes suffering from a severe case of denial after Sonys amazing conference which unveiled a true next gen console.
worldwidegaming  +   1083d ago
People tend to think of Nintendo as a company who wants to win a race. there really is no race for Nintendo.
They do not care about all of these petty arguments on who has the biggest guns.
All they care about are making games that are different.
I can see all of the other companies following Nintendo as usual. in the end games sell consoles.
The 3DS is crap hands down but when a popular title drops sales increase for said crappy handheld.
Nintendo was smart starting now. They can make money before the bloodbath "holiday 2013" lol
IntelligentAj  +   1083d ago
I don't like the WiiU at all but I really hate articles like this. I would honestly compare Nintendo to Apple in terms of the amount of cash they have stored away(Of course Apple has more but I digress). Nintendo is going nowhere
lovegames718  +   1083d ago

Your argument went out the window once you said "making games that are different" Dont know if you didnt get the memo but thats the problem and biggest gripe amongst consumers they are not making games that are diff. but same old stale bs, meanwhile on Ps3 you have games that are innovating on consoles like Lbp, Journey, Starhawk (build and play during mp awesome), Puppeteer, Mod Nation amongst others.

I seriously dont know what you guys think sometimes just commenting to comment. Just because something is repeated over and over doesnt make it true. Nintendo hasnt dont something new and refreshing since like the 90's and thats whats sad. I want to be a Nintendo fan again but damn they arent giving me anything to hold on too. Im 34 make good money i can easily go out and buy a wiiu just dont want too.
Deku-Johnny  +   1083d ago
No the main difference is Sega didn't have the money to keep going in the hardware side of things after the Dreamcast's failures. If the Wii U flops Nintendo have the money to just carry on.
Ron_Danger  +   1083d ago
I hope it's not. I'm an exclusive Sony player now, but I grew up playing NES and Super Nintendo. We need Nintendo around to add to game developer competition. We need all developers to survive, otherwise there's no need to truly innovate.
SIANSLOW  +   1083d ago
i think people conveniently forget that nintendo also has the best selling console on earth at the moment too
millzy102  +   1083d ago
its not the nintendo's dreamcast as they have the money and stubborness to keep it on market like they did with gamecube ( which only sold 10m more than dreamcast), there handheld market alone is enough to keep them in the game.
Munnkyman  +   1083d ago
Don't forget the sega Saturn did horrible before the dreamcast. So they had 2 failed generations and one of the major reasons they went third party
naiyo  +   1083d ago
I want to know if Nintendo and fans think the N64 and GameCube was failures? Because the WiiU is going toward what happen with them. Strong 1st parties, weak to no 3rd parties. Now if Nintendo and fans think that the N64 and GameCube were successful, then the WiiU will be successful. Plain and simple.
Theyellowflash30  +   1083d ago
What the writer of this article doesn't understand is Sega came off multiple failed console. Sega ran out of money. Nintendo is not in the position Sega is in financially. Nor did Sega have the franchises to pull themselves out.
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wiiulee  +   1083d ago
the wiiu is nothing but a fantastic system that nintendo need to hurry up and get the games release on time..sure crybaby fanboys would like wiiu to be a dreamcast so they can feel better about wii winning last generation..but wiiu is ahead to stay if nintendo can get all the games release in time as its the only unique system that will be out as sony and microsoft try to copy it and bring higher pixels
Thepcz  +   1083d ago
in the mind of an idiot,

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