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Submitted by fr0sty 765d ago | article

A Closer Look at the Capabilities of the PlayStation 4 Eye Camera

E-mpire writes: Sony revealed the successor to the popular PlayStation Eye camera last night during the PlayStation 4 reveal. This camera has a lot of improvements over it's predecessors. As a professional videographer and avid gamer, I was eager to find out the specs on this camera. Let's take a closer look at what this thing can do and what kind of gameplay possibilities it has. (Dev, Industry, PS4, Sony, Tech)

talisker  +   765d ago
Imagine playing Watch_Dogs with this device on top of your TV. Shivers.
R_aVe_N  +   765d ago
lmao you would always be wondering if Ubisoft is hacking you while you play XD You would get random pop ups on your screen telling you to stop picking your nose or scratching your but.
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Bathyj  +   765d ago
ha, thats funny. i was saying to a friend while watching the demo they should an actual ps4 console in the game you could hack into
KwietStorm  +   765d ago
Lol dammit why did you say that
Bahpomet---  +   765d ago
i and the illuninati aprove of this
RuleofOne343  +   765d ago
Where have I seen this done before where o where, that right saw something like this out in Redmond Washington what's that companies name is it Microsoft . wow talk about an out right copy & paste scenario.
telekineticmantis  +   765d ago
You should read up
on this thing called the playstation eyetoy, can't copy a copy...
plmkoh  +   765d ago
*Clap* *Clap*, congratulations, you were able to see the similarities between the Microsoft Kinect and this PS eye simply because it has two cameras.

No, please, do continue to ignore that fact that Kinect relies on it's infrared sensor for it's controller-less pitch where as this continues to rely on a physical controller for on-screen manipulation.
edonus  +   765d ago
*Clap* *Clap*, congratulations you have totally bull$h!tted yourself and showed there is no limit to how far from reality you can go.

The fact that it has 2 cameras it what makes it a copy of kinect. Not simply because thats the whole damn point. If it was only going to track the controller one camera is all it needs just like the current MOVE set up. The only thing 2 camera is for is to track and pull an object out of its environment. That is all

and to onyoursisterback what do you think they made this for so you can sit on the couch and watch you play with yourself in the 3rd dimension. This set up is only for full body referencing.
fr0sty  +   765d ago
Edonus, you are wrong. It does full body tracking, just like the eyetoy and eye before it did. It also tracks Move. It uses dual 3D camera (which kinect did NOT have, it had one standard and one infrared lens, but they did not see in stereoscopic 3D. Kinect got it's 3D info by projecting infrared grids onto the room and watching how they deform) to enhance both the full body tracking and the move tracking. Since both move and DS4 controllers are being motion tracked, the second camera is needed not only for the added 3D precision, but also to be able to track multiple controllers at once with minimal lag.

Also, Microsoft didn't even develop Kinect, unlike Sony with Eye. They had a company come to them with the tech and they bought it. A company Sony had previously turned down already because the tech was too laggy. So, even if Sony did put an infrared camera into PS4Eye, they wouldn't have copied Microsoft, but rather Prime Sense who developed the Kinect Sensor.

Get over it.
Muerte2494  +   765d ago
I'm...
waiting for what kind of rebuttal Edonus is going to have to Frosty. He was slapped in the face by facts. Balls in your court Edonus.
edonus  +   765d ago
Everything I said was accurate. And Pseye/eyetoy did full body tracking in 2d (not the same thing barely related).
The reality is the kinect uses 2 cameras just like the PsKinect does. The only reason it is stereoscopic is because they are using 2 color sensor cameras while kinect uses 1 infrared and 1 color sensor but its the same principle. Kinect is like when you what 3d movies in the theatre and one lens is polarized, so it registers different just kinect uses infrared.

Tracking a light whether MOVE or DS4 is hardly a task and there is no significant extra information coming from the second camera those objects are light sources with no depth.

Reality also is that using the infrared camera is better because it works in low light and has more stable data.

And you are wrong on how kinect works it doesnt use grids(hahaha) it shines a infrared light on everything and the and the closer a surface the brighter return frequency. Its more like soanr for camera or imagine Daredevil move but instead of sound waves it uses light waves.

I am not going to judge this things performance because it hasnt been shown, but I can say that if it is truly only relying on color sensor cameras its either going to be unstable as hell or eat up tons of processing power.

Another thing cameras dont have lag. That was just some poison they filled people with. The lag will come from the system processing the data.
plmkoh  +   764d ago
@edonus

Congratulations you just proved yourself a smug and tried to sound like you knew what you were talking about by going into techno babble.

Did you know not read what I said? Kinect CONTINUES to rely on an INFRARED sensor and the Move CONTINUES to rely on a PHYSICAL controller. That's the bloody difference.

Get this in your head: the Primary function of the PS eye remains to track the Move, I thought that was so blatantly obvious in the PS conference yesterday...but you..."OMGz 2 camera = kinect".

Hell by your simple-minded logic the Kinect copied the PS3 Eye simply because it also has a 4 microphone array and motion tracks at 120hz @ VGA resolution. OMG it can't be a coincidence, because it's not 'different' enough I guess also Samsung really did copy Apple too by making a tablet as a "rectangle with rounded edges".
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edonus  +   764d ago
If you cant follow the techno babble then stop, you only expose yourself as not knowing $h!t.

I am smug because in order to get a point that is plain as day to see through to idiots you have talk down to them like the idiots they are. thats the only way to get through shield of BS.

With that said to your point. Having 2 cameras is to act like 2 eyes and see things with depth... that mean the Z axis aka depth aka distance from front to back (this is important to understand because without getting this you cant grasp what's happening). Now the light bar in the front of the controller has no depth because it just a flat light (are you still with me?) The Move controller uses the orb which is a circle so at any given time its depth is only as deep as half the ball that not giving you a lot of depth to track.

Those 2 things work by "A" meaning one camera looking at the size of the light source and calculating its size relative to how far it is away from the sensor. If you had a 2nd camera doing the same thing you would get the same data so its safe to say having a stereoscopic (or 2 cameras) isnt needed for a MOVE wand or Dualshock4.

What having 2 cameras would be good for is looking at things with real depth like a person or an object. These cameras seem pretty hi def so it should be able to do at least a rough outline and track. To be anyway effective it would need lots of processing power and if its really effective we are talking some serious power. The current kinect using the infrared is a way more stable and optimized style and it eats up tons of processing power.

I have built 3d cameras and worked with tracking software so I have some experience with the tech and theories. Once they added a second camera it became something way different than an Eyetoy or web cam. Its like comparing a bike to a motorcycle.

Just accept it that Sony saw how good kinect was doing and needed something as close as they could get to it. I'm sure they cant do a kinect clone because of the patents but this should give them something to work with.

Keep n mind I dont hate this thing and I like kinect style gaming this nothing but a plus for Sony but dont act like they arent borrowing.
plmkoh  +   764d ago
@edonus,

No, not really, I completely understood what you have said, but I don't bombard my comments with tech 'theories' to 'talk down' on others.

Honestly, you having worked on 3D cameras means jack all because we're not discussing the mechanics of it, we're talking about the end user products that even babies can point out, don't confuse people.

I don't want to repeat myself like you just have like a broken record, my points were pretty darn obvious. But I couldn't help but notice you didn't even address how I pointed out that the PS eye had a four microphone array 3 years before Kinect even existed. Yet even I acknowledge that's not copying. It's called converging technology, you don't have to reinvent the wheel just for the sake of difference.
onyoursistersback  +   765d ago
Ya there very similar, but one thing was missing....
"The terrible jumping and Horrendous are flapping"
JoGam  +   765d ago
Let me skool you for a sec, PS3 had controller free gaming first. Yes PS3. Look up the game called "Creatures Features". Even the way you select in the game was copied and used with Kinect.
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Joe913  +   765d ago
Don't forget Kung Fu live the reason the game was made was to show you can do the motion tracking with the ps eye because the Kinect was about to come out.
KwietStorm  +   765d ago
Cool. And how much of your input was responsible for that piece of plastic you're defending? None? Soooo why do you care?
etownone  +   765d ago
First Sony copies Wiimotes with nunchucks..

And now they copy Kinect with this.

But of course, like always, Sony fans will love this and hail this as innovation.

Although still impressed by PS4 stats and new controlar.....even if they did take a note from nintys pagebook and present just the controller for what was supposed to be a console reveal.
fr0sty  +   765d ago
Kinect copied Eyetoy, what's your point? Nobody will deny Move copied Wiimote, but it also made it better. Taking an innovation and making it better is something that game companies have done for decades. Sony invented the CD, DVD, and Blu-Ray (helped invent it), but where's the idiot fanboys saying Microsoft and Nintendo stole those from them? You do know that Microsoft pays Sony a royalty for every Xbox sold because it can play DVDs? You know that motion sensing controllers first popped up on the PS1, with a 4 axis tilt controller being released (third party) that was able to control games like warhawk? You do know the dreamcast was the first to integrate a screen into their controller? You do know that Dreamcast and N64 both had voice activated games (Seaman and Hey You Piccachu) long before Kinect ever came along? It could be said that Microsoft ripped off Sony's concept of dual analog, which Nintendo has now as well. Dual shock as well.

I could go on, and on, and on... You cannot name one company in gaming that has never taken another idea or product from another company. And good for them for doing it, as improvements to the technologies have been made all along the way. This is how innovation grows, by taking an idea and making it better. Not every idea a game company has needs to be 100% never before seen stuff. Sometimes just a subtle improvement on an already existing tech can work wonders, as we saw with dual analog controllers making such a better playing experience than Nintendo 64's single analog stick that would always break.

I know you fanboys like to sling your turds at each other, but do a little research before you do at least.
BabyTownFrolics  +   765d ago
Now that Sony has a kinect like device its the future of gaming!

Anyways.... I was totally hyped by the presentation and I cant wait to see the official pricing on PS4. I hope its in my price range cause I want one now.
Joe913  +   765d ago
I hope it can take 3d video now that it has two lens.
Jek_Porkins  +   764d ago
Not sure how I feel about a camera always watching me, what if Sony tried to invade my privacy?

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