"Well, that was weird. We got a console reveal without Sony actually revealing the console. It's left a lot of people confused, maybe even concerned, so given the chance we had to ask: where was the PS4?"
"Why do you care?" Yeah we got specs and everything the box it comes in for me, is alot less important.
It would be just great to know how the thing looks. But I agree that it's not too important for now. We'll see it soon anyway.
After tonight's show, I can't imagine how amazingly insane it's gonna be when E3 comes! We still have not seen what naughty dog and santa monica has in store for the PS4 yet;-)
Well one reason I'd say for why 'the box it comes in' not being shown yet being important is that Sony probably hasn't finalized how they are going to keep the hardware cool enough (temperature-wise) yet.
E3 is right around the corner. I'm surprised anybody would be upset about not seeing the physical hardware at this point.
Did they say the PS4 was releasing this year?
@otherzinc yes December 2013
"Why do you care?" When I saw that, I read it like "why do YOU care Kotaku?" It was a great reply for Yoshida to make considering the problems Sony have had with Kotaku in the Past. Kotaku are lucky Sony even bother to talk with them at all. Why are people so concerned about the casing of the PS4? It has no bearing on the performance, it's all just aesthetics. What, do people think the PS4 doesn't exist? Sony will show it soon enough, just be happy about what it can do instead of what it looks like. @Mr.Magoo: False. Holiday 2013 doesn't mean December.
I know you people will accept anything coming from Sony, but it could have been great to see the PS4 form factor in the conference, eveyone was expecting that...
ACTUALLY, @DragonKnight Form factor DOES potentially impact console performance. Ex/ Xbox 360 lol. Apparently the designer compromised the original Xbox by trying to make that )( curved inward design or something and that was partially the problem with the RROD in the original 360. That and placement of the CPU or something, not 100% sure but yeah.. Im not too worried though, I'm sure they just don't want to reveal absolutely everything in one go so that they still can blow people away at E3. It keeps the hype going for their console right? Coming from an Xbox guy this gen, I am insanely excited for the PS4 after what I have been shown. Sony and Gaikai have some great things in the works going forward, and the improved controller looks great. I wouldn't count Microsoft out just yet though, I'm sure they will have had some things up their sleeve as well. Well, at this point I am going into the next gen with an open mind, likely will be buying both PS4 and Xbox, as for the Wii U...They better figure stuff out because if PS4 is any indication, the future of gaming is going to be one step ahead of Nintendo again..Microsoft will too.
I'd like to know what type/speed BR drive its going to have. The number of HDMI and USB ports. Should have one USB in the back for the camera. Would also like to know how does that damn camera fit in in. Is it going to be like the next Xbox's and be required.
I would think the new PS eye is packed in with every console.....it only makes sense since they showed it before the system and they showed a lot of video inter connectivity
You can get most of those form the specs list.
Gave somes of the specs Optical Drive (read only) BD 6xCAV DVD 8xCAV I/O Super-Speed USB (USB 3.0) 、AUX
Well I don't think you'll have to connect the camera. There was nothing on the controller which made it so you HAD to connect it. I don't know if the lightbar is required to sync with it but it didn't seem that way. I thought they just added it for video chat and if you wanted to use Move in your games.
An AUX output.. FINALLY. I would also believe it would be included with the console. I'd imagine that the PS4 come with the DS4 + the new PS eye cam sort of like how the Wii U came with the fancy controller and the console itself. Would be quite pointless if they gave us the DS4 but not the PS eye that accompanies it.
I have the specs thats the most important thing. I will reserve and purchase 2 for launch day. Besides, it's nice to see a company not afraid to put their specs out there because they know they have a next generation machine. Other companies would rather show you the plastic case and force you to get a microsocope to discover whats under the hood.
Right on man, I agree. Specs mean more than a plastic case.
20/02/2013 the day the Ps3 got beaten .
i couldn't have said that better thanks 4saying it for me lol anyway thats very true better to have specs that a piece of plastic to look at
Another quality piece by kotaku. Where would we be without your insightful reporting?
be happy, on a differnet day Kotaku would have taken the "why do you care" quote and taken it completely out of context, making the guy look bad.
disagrees? Imagine if the did the reverse, showing the console and not giving details. well said magiebeast, bubbles for you. Looking forward to seeing the console at a later date. Sony knocked it out of the park tonight and left something to look forward to. Very well done!
yes sir they did lol
Could it be a problem with the....saving something for E3 thingy.
Specs are more important than what's on the outside. How it looks doesn't concern me.
What specs? A "x86" CPU and "enhanced" gpu? These are not specs
Main Processor Single-chip custom processor CPU : x86-64 AMD “Jaguar”, 8 cores GPU : 1.84 TFLOPS, AMD next-generation Radeon™ based graphics engine Memory GDDR5 8GB Hard Disk Drive Built-in Optical Drive (read only) BD 6xCAV DVD 8xCAV I/O Super-Speed USB (USB 3.0) 、AUX Communication Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T) IEEE 802.11 b/g/n Bluetooth® 2.1 (EDR) AV output HDMI Analog-AV out Digital Output (optical)
^^^ how fast are these cpu's? What do they compare to? An AMD a8 fusion? What's a "next generation" radeon 1.84Tflops GPU? A hd 7850? These are vague descriptions, not specs
1.84TFlops is a performance number ("About 2TF" was said at the meeting). What does it matter what frequency is used to reach that? So people can actually say 3 years @ 3GHz match todays 800MHz? Doesn't change the fact that this is how much compute power you have. And it's quite plenty.
Hope its not too expensive
Rumor has it around $429 for one sku and $529 for another. E3 will have both SONY and MS displaying their new consoles with prices. Should be good this year PS-Diablo III....seriously(who cares)
Like I said typical sony lies, PS4 reveal, where the [email protected] is the ps4? Same old worthless remote jeez and the trolls are sucking on bananas over this dissapointment, Really wtf was this bs.
Maybe if you carefully read what Sony said then you wouldn't come off as a dumbass. Sony never once said they will reveal the console. Its was the journalist of different site that said that with all their articles. Sony only say they are having a meeting in 2/20/2013 to announce the future of the playstation. That's what they did. They announced the ps4 and reveal software support and spec for it. You hatred for Sony is evident... Go crawl under the bridge that you came out of troll. Now I can't wait to here about the Durango and when Microsoft will make their moves. It seem that Sony and Microsoft console are much stronger then current gen, how will the wii u fair against these two down the line?
wow xbox guy calm down we know xbots a sour grapes when it come to other systems but damn you take the cake for troll of the year
@nlvwithgms: Every time you post your fanboy hate the only thing I can think of is this.
I rather hear about the specs , then see the console. e3 will be the place.
There's a difference between whats on paper and whats in the machine. With a reveal that massive it's foolish not to show the actual hardware. I thought yesterday was not that impressive once E3 rolls around and we get actual live game play then we will know what we have. Tech demos are great but they always are.
PlayStation fans sure get confused easily.While any other system owner would conclude that it is still too early and they just weren't ready to show the physical console yet instead PlayStation people get confused.Can't people just use a little common sense?
People just don't seem to get the concept that E3 is just a few months away! And they call themselves game journalists. Pfft..
Actually that is true, I mean it is nice to finally see the box. But if it is not the time for it then so be it. We will most likely either see it in E3 at most or Sony will put pics or videos of it online sometime before E3 at the least
Would have been nice to see the actual console, but it's a minute thing to expect. More than likely it will be shown at E3.
I was expecting to see it. A hell of a lot more than I wanted to see Blizzard come out and talk about the over hyped Diablo III. And where are the full specs in terms of HDD capacity, if its upgradable, etc. I really wanted to see the unit and its odd they didn't show it. Have they ever done a console reveal in the past without the console?
i almost closed my live feed when blizzard mentioned Diablo 3 for ps4....
Well I didn't feel Id close the live feed but my face at first Blizz is here?! :O NEW GAME ON PS4 FROM BLIZZARD?! DID NOT SEE THAT COMING! Then as soon as the first second of the Diablo 3 theme played my face instantly went to >__< I already own Diablo 3 on PC played it, beaten it. Not going to buy it again Next gen or not.
PS2 if I recall
***"but as far as the system itself we have to keep something new for later. Otherwise you'd get bored."*** There is your answer. They are saving stuff for E3 why is it hard for people to understand that? They didn't even talk about stuff like next gen PS Plus or even demo the new Eye. There is a plenty of stuff they didn't show besides the console itself.
Versus knowing the console had game support, software and better functionality and features along with what its capable of. I mean really you'd think after the PS3 and Sony showing New revisions every year with upgradeable HDDs that it would be assumed that the next PS console would come with one, you got final specs, you got some of the key features, a controller showing off some new features and you got software and a Live Game Demonstration showing of what the specs are capable of (Mighty impressive for a launch title and comparable to the some of the best offering on high end pc's now) and you complain about not seeing the plastic box. I guess you'd be satisfied with the minty approach, show a plastic box, don't list specs and show rival console gameplay footage and say that its running on your non final hardware which isn't even on the show floor then show the controller at another trade show. Only to have the product release and have people crawl through nails to find out what the system is capable of. Yep Sony or MS should do that.
I saw the games as I expected. Why in hell would you assume that I don't care about the games or support? I also expected to see the console. What's wrong with that? Most the people on this site seem to just attack a comment rather than debate or discuss it.
What if the case is actually a pc case? This is amd, so we need heat pipes and huge fans. Or will they just let it over heat? I'm expecting Xbox Durango dev kit size. I think ms brought this up because they know it is a problem. Really good specs though really easy to beat if price isn't a problem along with case sizes. An i5 with a 680 or 690 would do the job. Easily but what I'm curious about is the apu design. Would love to see that amd road map. What is cool is amd is about to make a huge come back now!
to build anticipation and hype. why would they lay out all their cards all at once?! they are obviously waiting for MS to react....and then counter attack in E3
cuz this happen minutes before the show, and then they rushed to the hospital!!! http://24.media.tumblr.com/...
LOL good one
if your worried about what the console looks like you have poor priorities.
Just showing the controller seems to be a trend (Nintendo and Sony did it). I wonder if Microsoft will too lol
It's no secret the console is quite close to a PC. So what would it matter? We had E3s with dump cases which looked nothing like the final box, so what's the point of having a case. Sony will be busy finalizing prototype HW until E3. After E3 this thing must go into production to create a backlog for the holiday season. My best guess is, it isn't even fully speced out yet, but close to it. Final BOM will need to be setup till summer, but this leaves them 3-6 month to get at least one or two test runs with production HW till then. With this timetable, it makes sense, that a close to final box will be shown at E3. Probably the first pre-series machines. It's all about timing. I am quite impressed they can pull this off in this short amount of time. There is not a lot of margin for error in that time table. The important message was, "there is a PS4" and "these are the services you can expect". And they delivered. Why they "had" to show the controller was explained. They wanted to show live demos, and you hardly can do that without revealing the controller.
People want to see the box because of the xbox360 wide spread problem. With the current spec we are expecting double the heat or the best air pipe design ever! I hope every thing goes well and gamers are ready to join next gen aka pc gaming in the form of a ps4. We finally are going to get ports that use our gpus!
All I can tell you is that this thing is surprisingly small for a prototype (dev kit). :) Is this good enough? Almost same size as PS3.
Although disappointing from SE to only show this, but I was very glad to see Agni's Philosophy demo running pretty much the same way it did back in E3 2012. Why? Because that demo was running on a GTX 680 :)
So Nintendo released it's console and didn't show there next gen games. Sony showed next gen games but didn't show there console. Microsoft won't show there console or next gen games. That's what I call balance.
lmao nice :)
Got to leave something for E3 people. I rather they not show the box and show the games and specs instead which is what they did.
Well I think people care because some people think the PS4 is digital only. Guys, not going to happen. Internet in a lot of countries aren't ready for a digital only system, with stuff like bandwidth limits.
The specs list the BluRay drive.
Keep the best stuff for last, i see ;D The designs for the DS4 and that new PS Eye camera were pretty solid so its safe to assume the PS4's design will look just as great.
Nintendo didn't even show theirs until a year after the controller. Expect Kaz to show it at E3.
I've seen so much Kaz on GAF that I'm not even bothered that he wasn't there, but I DO expect to see him at E3.
Good choice. I don't really care how the ps4 looks. The specs made me satisfied to buy it for any price hey put..