Why Didn’t We See The Actual PlayStation 4 Tonight? Sony’s Boss Explains.
"Well, that was weird. We got a console reveal without Sony actually revealing the console. It's left a lot of people confused, maybe even concerned, so given the chance we had to ask: where was the PS4?"
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Sony will obviously save the physical form of the PS4 for E3 After tonight's show, I can't imagine how amazingly insane it's gonna be when E3 comes! We still have not seen what naughty dog and santa monica has in store for the PS4 yet;-)
Well one reason I'd say for why 'the box it comes in' not being shown yet being important is that Sony probably hasn't finalized how they are going to keep the hardware cool enough (temperature-wise) yet.
When I saw that, I read it like "why do YOU care Kotaku?" It was a great reply for Yoshida to make considering the problems Sony have had with Kotaku in the Past. Kotaku are lucky Sony even bother to talk with them at all.
Why are people so concerned about the casing of the PS4? It has no bearing on the performance, it's all just aesthetics. What, do people think the PS4 doesn't exist? Sony will show it soon enough, just be happy about what it can do instead of what it looks like.
@Mr.Magoo: False. Holiday 2013 doesn't mean December.
I know you people will accept anything coming from Sony, but it could have been great to see the PS4 form factor in the conference, eveyone was expecting that...
ACTUALLY, @DragonKnight Form factor DOES potentially impact console performance.
Ex/ Xbox 360 lol. Apparently the designer compromised the original Xbox by trying to make that )( curved inward design or something and that was partially the problem with the RROD in the original 360. That and placement of the CPU or something, not 100% sure but yeah..
Im not too worried though, I'm sure they just don't want to reveal absolutely everything in one go so that they still can blow people away at E3. It keeps the hype going for their console right?
Coming from an Xbox guy this gen, I am insanely excited for the PS4 after what I have been shown. Sony and Gaikai have some great things in the works going forward, and the improved controller looks great. I wouldn't count Microsoft out just yet though, I'm sure they will have had some things up their sleeve as well. Well, at this point I am going into the next gen with an open mind, likely will be buying both PS4 and Xbox, as for the Wii U...They better figure stuff out because if PS4 is any indication, the future of gaming is going to be one step ahead of Nintendo again..Microsoft will too.
I would think the new PS eye is packed in with every console.....it only makes sense since they showed it before the system and they showed a lot of video inter connectivity
Well I don't think you'll have to connect the camera.
There was nothing on the controller which made it so you HAD to connect it. I don't know if the lightbar is required to sync with it but it didn't seem that way.
I thought they just added it for video chat and if you wanted to use Move in your games.
An AUX output.. FINALLY. I would also believe it would be included with the console. I'd imagine that the PS4 come with the DS4 + the new PS eye cam sort of like how the Wii U came with the fancy controller and the console itself. Would be quite pointless if they gave us the DS4 but not the PS eye that accompanies it.
I have the specs thats the most important thing. I will reserve and purchase 2 for launch day.
Besides, it's nice to see a company not afraid to put their specs out there because they know they have a next generation machine. Other companies would rather show you the plastic case and force you to get a microsocope to discover whats under the hood.
1.84TFlops is a performance number ("About 2TF" was said at the meeting). What does it matter what frequency is used to reach that? So people can actually say 3 years @ 3GHz match todays 800MHz? Doesn't change the fact that this is how much compute power you have. And it's quite plenty.
Rumor has it around $429 for one sku and $529 for another. E3 will have both SONY and MS displaying their new consoles with prices. Should be good this year
Like I said typical sony lies, PS4 reveal, where the f@ is the ps4? Same old worthless remote jeez and the trolls are sucking on bananas over this dissapointment, Really wtf was this bs.
Maybe if you carefully read what Sony said then you wouldn't come off as a dumbass. Sony never once said they will reveal the console. Its was the journalist of different site that said that with all their articles. Sony only say they are having a meeting in 2/20/2013 to announce the future of the playstation. That's what they did. They announced the ps4 and reveal software support and spec for it. You hatred for Sony is evident... Go crawl under the bridge that you came out of troll.
Now I can't wait to here about the Durango and when Microsoft will make their moves. It seem that Sony and Microsoft console are much stronger then current gen, how will the wii u fair against these two down the line?
There's a difference between whats on paper and whats in the machine. With a reveal that massive it's foolish not to show the actual hardware. I thought yesterday was not that impressive once E3 rolls around and we get actual live game play then we will know what we have. Tech demos are great but they always are.
PlayStation fans sure get confused easily.While any other system owner would conclude that it is still too early and they just weren't ready to show the physical console yet instead PlayStation people get confused.Can't people just use a little common sense?
Actually that is true, I mean it is nice to finally see the box. But if it is not the time for it then so be it. We will most likely either see it in E3 at most or Sony will put pics or videos of it online sometime before E3 at the least
I was expecting to see it. A hell of a lot more than I wanted to see Blizzard come out and talk about the over hyped Diablo III. And where are the full specs in terms of HDD capacity, if its upgradable, etc. I really wanted to see the unit and its odd they didn't show it. Have they ever done a console reveal in the past without the console?
Well I didn't feel Id close the live feed but my face at first Blizz is here?! :O NEW GAME ON PS4 FROM BLIZZARD?! DID NOT SEE THAT COMING!
Then as soon as the first second of the Diablo 3 theme played my face instantly went to >__< I already own Diablo 3 on PC played it, beaten it. Not going to buy it again Next gen or not.
***"but as far as the system itself we have to keep something new for later. Otherwise you'd get bored."***
There is your answer.
They are saving stuff for E3 why is it hard for people to understand that?
They didn't even talk about stuff like next gen PS Plus or even demo the new Eye. There is a plenty of stuff they didn't show besides the console itself.
you actually care about what the pladtic casing looks like Versus knowing the console had game support, software and better functionality and features along with what its capable of. I mean really you'd think after the PS3 and Sony showing New revisions every year with upgradeable HDDs that it would be assumed that the next PS console would come with one, you got final specs, you got some of the key features, a controller showing off some new features and you got software and a Live Game Demonstration showing of what the specs are capable of (Mighty impressive for a launch title and comparable to the some of the best offering on high end pc's now) and you complain about not seeing the plastic box.
I guess you'd be satisfied with the minty approach, show a plastic box, don't list specs and show rival console gameplay footage and say that its running on your non final hardware which isn't even on the show floor then show the controller at another trade show. Only to have the product release and have people crawl through nails to find out what the system is capable of. Yep Sony or MS should do that.
What if the case is actually a pc case? This is amd, so we need heat pipes and huge fans. Or will they just let it over heat? I'm expecting Xbox Durango dev kit size. I think ms brought this up because they know it is a problem.
Really good specs though really easy to beat if price isn't a problem along with case sizes. An i5 with a 680 or 690 would do the job. Easily but what I'm curious about is the apu design. Would love to see that amd road map.
What is cool is amd is about to make a huge come back now!
to build anticipation and hype. why would they lay out all their cards all at once?! they are obviously waiting for MS to react....and then counter attack in E3
It's no secret the console is quite close to a PC. So what would it matter? We had E3s with dump cases which looked nothing like the final box, so what's the point of having a case.
Sony will be busy finalizing prototype HW until E3. After E3 this thing must go into production to create a backlog for the holiday season.
My best guess is, it isn't even fully speced out yet, but close to it. Final BOM will need to be setup till summer, but this leaves them 3-6 month to get at least one or two test runs with production HW till then.
With this timetable, it makes sense, that a close to final box will be shown at E3. Probably the first pre-series machines. It's all about timing. I am quite impressed they can pull this off in this short amount of time. There is not a lot of margin for error in that time table.
The important message was, "there is a PS4" and "these are the services you can expect". And they delivered.
Why they "had" to show the controller was explained. They wanted to show live demos, and you hardly can do that without revealing the controller.
People want to see the box because of the xbox360 wide spread problem. With the current spec we are expecting double the heat or the best air pipe design ever!
I hope every thing goes well and gamers are ready to join next gen aka pc gaming in the form of a ps4. We finally are going to get ports that use our gpus!
Although disappointing from SE to only show this, but I was very glad to see Agni's Philosophy demo running pretty much the same way it did back in E3 2012.
Why? Because that demo was running on a GTX 680 :)
Well I think people care because some people think the PS4 is digital only. Guys, not going to happen. Internet in a lot of countries aren't ready for a digital only system, with stuff like bandwidth limits.
Keep the best stuff for last, i see ;D The designs for the DS4 and that new PS Eye camera were pretty solid so its safe to assume the PS4's design will look just as great.
What's bold about it? We know the specs, we know the features. We've got a good idea of the games available at or near release.
Just seems like a good move, to me.
I mean, with all of that, who really NEEDS to see the console itself? Besides, E3 is right around the corner, with more game releases, and likely more details, such as price and the actual looks.
What was bad about it? We saw no console! Had that been Microsoft's show and they pulled that, you'd be saying the same thing. How can you have a console reveal without a console?
It is the same complaint I heard around here when Nintendo first showed off the Wii U Gamepad. Sony has a new controller to show off, some tech demo's we've already seen, some trailers, a trailer we saw last year, and Killzone which obviously was being made on the PS3 and is being ported to PS4.
Watch Dogs was being played on a PC with supposed PS4 specs, so I would question why they wouldn't demo any games aside from Killzone which was probably already in development for years?
So I guess the PS4 doesn't exist then and everything Sony said at the event was smoke and mirrors right?
"How can you have a console reveal without a console?"
Ask Nintendo.
"It is the same complaint I heard around here when Nintendo first showed off the Wii U Gamepad. Sony has a new controller to show off, some tech demo's we've already seen, some trailers, a trailer we saw last year, and Killzone which obviously was being made on the PS3 and is being ported to PS4."
Difference being that Sony showed what's most important for a new console, that being games and specs. Why do you care about a plastic casing so much?
"Watch Dogs was being played on a PC with supposed PS4 specs, so I would question why they wouldn't demo any games aside from Killzone which was probably already in development for years?"
And we move back to you thinking the PS4 doesn't exist and the event was smoke and mirrors. Except that flies in the face of the devs who actually know about what is in the PS4 and are very excited to work with it. It's just plastic dude, get over it.
Nintendo showed an empty box for Wii-U way before the console released. I'd prefer Sony's tactic of telling us exactly what I'm getting INSIDE THE USELESS SHINY CHEAP PLASTIC OUTER COATING, THAT IS ONLY THERE AS A PSUEDO DUST PROTECTOR & to stop our kids getting zapped by exposed innards.
The outside is probably one of the least important & useless features, as it is no way game related. All Sony need do, is give us another piano black, nice shaped box like PS3's original, & just add some LED lighting to make it look fancy. Maybe the PS4 logo could light up on console & controller with LED lights.
there gonna save it for E3... there playing the cat and mouse game with microsoft waiting for microsoft to show theres first as they always go first at E3... cant show your rival everything just yet.. everything with be exposed at E3... its gonna be epic i must say...
I'm still dumbstruck that Sony didn't show the console but I think its a good idea. Maybe even a great idea. They just used this meeting and this whole month to build hype, and to get the word out to the casuals. E3 is when the real show starts when they unveil the PS4 as well as the big time exclusives. Their new marketing team is pure genius. Sony is gonna OWN next gen.
Does not one have any patience any more? You didn't see the box the hardware comes in, whoopdeedoo! We got to see some dope games and it looks like the PSN is evolving nicely. My only gripe is that I don't like the idea of a camera always looking at me, so hopefully I can turn that off. Other than that I was impressed by what Sony showed, I have no clue why Square was there though they didn't show shit.
"So they didn't show a plastic box, I'm not made out of fucks so I'm not giving one to this." - Best comment on the Kotaku thread.
I thought it was going to be the opposite, we see the ps4 and no specs. I'm glad they did it this way at least we know ps4 is going to be a beast!! I could wait to see the console.
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Yeah we got specs and everything the box it comes in for me, is alot less important.
After tonight's show, I can't imagine how amazingly insane it's gonna be when E3 comes!
We still have not seen what naughty dog and santa monica has in store for the PS4 yet;-)
yes December 2013
When I saw that, I read it like "why do YOU care Kotaku?" It was a great reply for Yoshida to make considering the problems Sony have had with Kotaku in the Past. Kotaku are lucky Sony even bother to talk with them at all.
Why are people so concerned about the casing of the PS4? It has no bearing on the performance, it's all just aesthetics. What, do people think the PS4 doesn't exist? Sony will show it soon enough, just be happy about what it can do instead of what it looks like.
@Mr.Magoo: False. Holiday 2013 doesn't mean December.
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Ex/ Xbox 360 lol. Apparently the designer compromised the original Xbox by trying to make that )( curved inward design or something and that was partially the problem with the RROD in the original 360. That and placement of the CPU or something, not 100% sure but yeah..
Im not too worried though, I'm sure they just don't want to reveal absolutely everything in one go so that they still can blow people away at E3. It keeps the hype going for their console right?
Coming from an Xbox guy this gen, I am insanely excited for the PS4 after what I have been shown. Sony and Gaikai have some great things in the works going forward, and the improved controller looks great. I wouldn't count Microsoft out just yet though, I'm sure they will have had some things up their sleeve as well. Well, at this point I am going into the next gen with an open mind, likely will be buying both PS4 and Xbox, as for the Wii U...They better figure stuff out because if PS4 is any indication, the future of gaming is going to be one step ahead of Nintendo again..Microsoft will too.
Would also like to know how does that damn camera fit in in. Is it going to be like the next Xbox's and be required.
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There was nothing on the controller which made it so you HAD to connect it. I don't know if the lightbar is required to sync with it but it didn't seem that way.
I thought they just added it for video chat and if you wanted to use Move in your games.
Besides, it's nice to see a company not afraid to put their specs out there because they know they have a next generation machine. Other companies would rather show you the plastic case and force you to get a microsocope to discover whats under the hood.
Looking forward to seeing the console at a later date. Sony knocked it out of the park tonight and left something to look forward to. Very well done!
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What's a "next generation" radeon 1.84Tflops GPU? A hd 7850?
These are vague descriptions, not specs
PS-Diablo III....seriously(who cares)
Now I can't wait to here about the Durango and when Microsoft will make their moves. It seem that Sony and Microsoft console are much stronger then current gen, how will the wii u fair against these two down the line?
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Then as soon as the first second of the Diablo 3 theme played my face instantly went to >__< I already own Diablo 3 on PC played it, beaten it. Not going to buy it again Next gen or not.
There is your answer.
They are saving stuff for E3 why is it hard for people to understand that?
They didn't even talk about stuff like next gen PS Plus or even demo the new Eye. There is a plenty of stuff they didn't show besides the console itself.
Versus knowing the console had game support, software and better functionality and features along with what its capable of. I mean really you'd think after the PS3 and Sony showing New revisions every year with upgradeable HDDs that it would be assumed that the next PS console would come with one, you got final specs, you got some of the key features, a controller showing off some new features and you got software and a Live Game Demonstration showing of what the specs are capable of (Mighty impressive for a launch title and comparable to the some of the best offering on high end pc's now) and you complain about not seeing the plastic box.
I guess you'd be satisfied with the minty approach, show a plastic box, don't list specs and show rival console gameplay footage and say that its running on your non final hardware which isn't even on the show floor then show the controller at another trade show. Only to have the product release and have people crawl through nails to find out what the system is capable of. Yep Sony or MS should do that.
I also expected to see the console. What's wrong with that?
Most the people on this site seem to just attack a comment rather than debate or discuss it.
Really good specs though really easy to beat if price isn't a problem along with case sizes. An i5 with a 680 or 690 would do the job. Easily but what I'm curious about is the apu design. Would love to see that amd road map.
What is cool is amd is about to make a huge come back now!
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Sony will be busy finalizing prototype HW until E3. After E3 this thing must go into production to create a backlog for the holiday season.
My best guess is, it isn't even fully speced out yet, but close to it. Final BOM will need to be setup till summer, but this leaves them 3-6 month to get at least one or two test runs with production HW till then.
With this timetable, it makes sense, that a close to final box will be shown at E3. Probably the first pre-series machines. It's all about timing. I am quite impressed they can pull this off in this short amount of time. There is not a lot of margin for error in that time table.
The important message was, "there is a PS4" and "these are the services you can expect". And they delivered.
Why they "had" to show the controller was explained. They wanted to show live demos, and you hardly can do that without revealing the controller.
I hope every thing goes well and gamers are ready to join next gen aka pc gaming in the form of a ps4. We finally are going to get ports that use our gpus!
Why? Because that demo was running on a GTX 680 :)
Sony showed next gen games but didn't show there console.
Microsoft won't show there console or next gen games.
That's what I call balance.
Just seems like a good move, to me.
I mean, with all of that, who really NEEDS to see the console itself? Besides, E3 is right around the corner, with more game releases, and likely more details, such as price and the actual looks.
Geez, dude, give it a rest.
It is the same complaint I heard around here when Nintendo first showed off the Wii U Gamepad. Sony has a new controller to show off, some tech demo's we've already seen, some trailers, a trailer we saw last year, and Killzone which obviously was being made on the PS3 and is being ported to PS4.
Watch Dogs was being played on a PC with supposed PS4 specs, so I would question why they wouldn't demo any games aside from Killzone which was probably already in development for years?
So I guess the PS4 doesn't exist then and everything Sony said at the event was smoke and mirrors right?
"How can you have a console reveal without a console?"
Ask Nintendo.
"It is the same complaint I heard around here when Nintendo first showed off the Wii U Gamepad. Sony has a new controller to show off, some tech demo's we've already seen, some trailers, a trailer we saw last year, and Killzone which obviously was being made on the PS3 and is being ported to PS4."
Difference being that Sony showed what's most important for a new console, that being games and specs. Why do you care about a plastic casing so much?
"Watch Dogs was being played on a PC with supposed PS4 specs, so I would question why they wouldn't demo any games aside from Killzone which was probably already in development for years?"
And we move back to you thinking the PS4 doesn't exist and the event was smoke and mirrors. Except that flies in the face of the devs who actually know about what is in the PS4 and are very excited to work with it. It's just plastic dude, get over it.
You really think that Microsoft is that worried? I doubt it.
The only console maker who should be any worried is Nintendo.
if they revealed the console now then whats the surprise for the World's important and largest gaming convention, E3?
and also MS wouldnt get any idea of PS4 overall features.
I'd prefer Sony's tactic of telling us exactly what I'm getting INSIDE THE USELESS SHINY CHEAP PLASTIC OUTER COATING, THAT IS ONLY THERE AS A PSUEDO DUST PROTECTOR & to stop our kids getting zapped by exposed innards.
The outside is probably one of the least important & useless features, as it is no way game related.
All Sony need do, is give us another piano black, nice shaped box like PS3's original, & just add some LED lighting to make it look fancy. Maybe the PS4 logo could light up on console & controller with LED lights.
"So they didn't show a plastic box, I'm not made out of fucks so I'm not giving one to this." - Best comment on the Kotaku thread.
I'm glad they did it this way at least we know ps4 is going to be a beast!! I could wait to see the console.