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Pachter: Nintendo may not recover from Wii U mistake

Industry analyst Michael "Chewy Homunculus" Pachter has been saying for years that Nintendo missed the boat on an HD Wii followup, and now he believes his predictions have yielded fruit. Framing the Wii U launch as a disaster from which Nintendo may not recover, his feelings on the matter are quite clear.

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DA_SHREDDER1252d ago

Agreed, but what Nintendo does the worst, is totally including a Wiimote and nintendo land in every box. This would have been a hit!

1upgamer991252d ago

Why would they add a Wiimote in the box when most people have their Wiimote controllers still (dusty or not)and pass the added cost to consumers.

darthv721252d ago

to get consumers to trade up then I can see not including the wiimote. But if they want to get all new consumers then by all means they should have one in there.

Those that follow games knows it is compatible but to the uninformed consumer, they dont. It represents an extra cost to them if they want to buy and play wii games on the wii-u. Keep in mind that nintendo 'should' patch the wii-u to support wii games that at least offer classic controller support to be used with the included gamepad or the new wii-u classic controller.

Games that require the wiimote, yeah there is no getting around that one. Either include one or make it more widely known that to play them, the consumer must get one.

Personally, i dont have an issue as i have all the optional controllers from the wii to transition to the wii-u. I cant say the same for everyone else though.

linkenski1252d ago

Plus it wouldn't help the confusion about "what Wii U is" if there was a Wii remote in the package.

TongkatAli1252d ago

All the people who had the Wii that I knew sold it, true story.

donman11252d ago

Talk about a broken record from you haters. Ever launch of every Nintendo console people like you sing from the hills the end is near and yet it never happens. Even during their worst console cycle the company remains profitable. Profitable normally means not going out of business so just give it a rest already.

LocutusEstBorg1252d ago

Except Apple is murdering Nintendo, unlike Sony and Microsoft. Every kid want's an "iTouch" for his birthday. They don't even know it's called an iPod Touch, but Apple still gets the sale.

dlpg5851252d ago

@kurian
i assume you're taking this data from extensive research into both nintendo and macintosh company products. you obviously noticed a corralation between severely decreasing profits from nintendo and greatly increased profits from macintosh from the huge transfer of sales. obviously it must be huge if you're stating that the other 2 console brands are doing better than them. especially considering the fact that they are around 24 million units behind each of them in sales and they sell their units at a loss while nintendo makes a profit. where do these huge profits come from? copies of halo 4?

Benjaminkno1252d ago

*sniff*
*sniff*

I smell fear.

Be not afraid. It is the anti-Nintendo crowd that need be worried. Can't you smell the stench of death?

dcbronco1252d ago

@dlpg585

The 360 hasn't been sold at a loss since mid 2006. The PS3 started to break even around 2010. Nintendo did start making a profit day one on the Wii U, but it's not selling. And the next generation is starting this year. The Wii U may be king of the hill in the current generation, but that generation is almost over. So it will only get worse for Nintendo. Though I don't see them going out of business.

lizard812881252d ago

Because they are sheep. After 6 months or so, Apple will roll out the same thing...but wait, with a smaller screen and slap a $600 price tag on it. People will buy it.

on topic, this is Pachter we are talking about. He seems to say Nintendo is doomed every month. The Wiiu is off to a rocky start though, but the 3ds also had one, and now it is doing fine, and beating the Vita.

Link0791251d ago

Well sony had half these sales with ps3 and that was with some cool 3rd party support so considering wiiu has no fantastic games yet although that is changing very soon with NFS/LEGOCITY/MONSTER HUNTER ect,trust me after these games are out the UK sales will pick up quite alot as we love lego games and this lego game is basically GTA lego the uk will gush for this game.

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user39158001252d ago

Nintendo WIIU is dead, its been dead for 2 month now, only nintendo followers with rabies might get upset, but facts are the wiiu is not selling and no third party support. The wiiu is dead.

t0mmyb0y1252d ago

It just came out man. What console starts out amazing?

Deku-Johnny1252d ago (Edited 1252d ago )

Gearbox, Rocksteady, Ubisoft, Platinum, Square Enix, Disney, Treyarch, NetherRealm, Travellers Tales, Criterion, Team Ninja, Capcom, 5th Cell, Atlus, Sega, Activision, Namco Bandai, not to mention the numerous eShop games.

No absolutely no 3rd party support there.

Link0791251d ago (Edited 1251d ago )

Beyonetta2
Xenoblade2
Wonderful 101
Pikimin3
Windwaker HD
LegoCity
MonsterHunter
Gearbox FPS ?
Destiny ?
Mariokart WiiU
ProjectCars
Dirt WiiU
NFS MostWantedU
Concept GP ?
WatchDogs ?
Zelda WiiU
Aliens CM Real version
MarioWorld 3D Adventure
F-Zero ?
Starfox ?
Smashbros WiiU
Metroid Nextgen

The question marks are because they are not yet confirmed 100%,so 14 games without the typical COD and next NFS and ProEvo ect ect is fairly decent all 14 games are exclusive except a few,the 6 with question marks half of them are exclusive and this is without new announcements isn't too shabby.

Can i say BF4 is also been more a less confirmed for wiiu so has the next MassEffect ect WiiU will of sold around 7/10 million units by the time the competition turns up so developers and publishers will have to support it considering it has a slightly better gpu than 720 and wiiu will have a growing social network on MiiVerse makes it hard to not support a console that gives feedbk to developrs ect.

Heres some NFS 360/WiiU comparison shots.

http://www.nintengen.com/

Just looks like quality over quantity if u ask me.

kgamer201252d ago

I'm very sure with the amount of cash reserves this company has, they can afford for the WiiU to fail, and for the next system to fail, and probably the system after that before they'll even start to worry.

zerocrossing1252d ago (Edited 1252d ago )

What constitutes as Nintendo's Wii U failing though?

If we look back at the Sega Dreamcast and why that failed, it was largely due to lack of funds, poor 3rd party support and Sega no longer being in a position to keep supporting it.

Nintendo doesn't have these problems, they also have some decent 3rd party support this gen and have already hooked many Ninty fans with promise of 1st party exclusives.

The only real way I see the Wii U failing is if 3rd party devs turn their backs on them and the core fans just stop supporting it, but that isn't likely to happen IMO.

kgamer201252d ago

This exactly. It is quite unlikely for Nintendo fans to stop supporting Nintendo, and for all 3rd party support to stop. I personally don't think any of that'll happen but that's just my opinion.

riverstars861252d ago

3rd party support for the Wii U will be weak, please explain to me how you think 3rd party support will ever be good on the Wii U? Before you answer, please factor in the new Sony and Microsoft consoles into your analysis.

zerocrossing1252d ago (Edited 1252d ago )

@riverstars86

Okay, first of all the fact Nintendo has support from Retro Studios, Monolith Soft, Platinum Games, Capcom, Konami and Tecmo Koei to name a few, proves their 3rd part support isn't week.

Secondly, the PS4 and nextbox aren't even out yet, we know nothing about their specs or market strategy's, so only an idiot would factor them in when it comes judging whether or not they will steer 3rd party support away from Wii U.

Please, do tell me what inside info you have on the PS4 and nextbox that makes you think they will hamper Wii U in any significant way?

riverstars861252d ago (Edited 1252d ago )

We don't know anything officially about the new consoles from Sony and Microsoft, but the word out there is that they are on a different level than Wii U. While we will shortly know more about PS4, clearly Microsoft's marketing strategy is going to be about reaching all types of consumers, they won't abandon the core gamers, they will go hard after casual gamers with Kinect 2.0, and will also attempt to market the machine to non gamers with their heavy emphasis on entertainment and apps for the living room. None of this is official, but it's clear Microsoft is positioning the new console to market to as many consumers as possible.

As for the Wii U, all I have to do is look at the Wii as an example of what I think will happen to Wii U 3rd party support. Wii U will get shoddy ports like the Wii because it will be significantly weaker than the competition.

P.S. I'm still waiting for an answer from you on how Wii U's 3rd party support will ever be good?

ConstipatedGorilla1252d ago

I bought one at launch but never turn it on. I beat Mario U and was done. Lately I've had an itch to play Mario 64 again, but will wait to see if they release it in HD on Wii U's virtual console.

truechainz1252d ago

@ riverstars86

Depends on your definition of good. Honestly If there are only a couple of third party games that have good uses of the gamepad or are fun I would count that as a victory since their exclusives and handheld sales move cash like nobody's business.

zerocrossing1252d ago (Edited 1252d ago )

Ugh... Not sure why Im wasting my time, but fine.

The Wii only did poorly in regards to 3rd party support when you look at it from the hardcore gamer perspective. Nintendo's Wii and their 3rd party support did incredibly well with the console casual market Nintendo pretty much established, so well in fact that both Sony and MS wanted a piece of the pie.

True, in terms of hard core 3rd party titles the Wii was rather lackluster, but both Sony and MS had that covered, was it really necessary for 3 consoles to be selling the same 3rd party games? Nintendo aren't competing with Sony or MS by the way, or is there still need for this to be stated?

None of us know if the PS4 or 360 will be significantly better than the Wii U, you're just speculating. It's much more likely that all 3 consoles will relatively similar in performance though I suspect Wii U will be weaker but that's not necessarily a bad thing in and of itself. Wii U may not gain the same level of 3rd party support Sony's PS4 and MS's nextbox do but I seriously doubt it will be bad, and definitely not as bad as the Wii's severely lacking hard core 3rd party support.

riverstars861252d ago

You have some good points zero, but you can't deny that the Wii left a sour taste in the mouths of millions of gamers.

I own a Wii U, I'm not bringing any bias with me to this discussion. I know the system will sell more when big first party exclusives come out. I'm actually playing Skyward Sword now because I sold my Wii awhile back.

Only time will tell, I guess I just have more faith in Sony and Microsoft. I feel they understand what most core gamers want and they create the hardware and infrastructure needed to reel in these consumers. Then I look at the Wii U, I see an online infrastructure that is worse than 7 year old consoles. While I like Miiverse, definitely cool how it was implemented into NSMBU, they should have added a extremely popular feature like cross game chat to their online infrastructure.

It just seems like the Wii U is going to be in a bad situation once the new consoles from Microsoft and Sony hit the stores. Besides Nintendo's first party games, what is going persuade gamers to buy the Wii U over the other two? What is going to persuade the casuals to upgrade from their Wii to the Wii U? Besides the introduction of the tablet controller, the motion technology is exactly the same as the Wii's.

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roshi19871252d ago (Edited 1252d ago )

Public companies can not afford to bet on losers. They have a board of directors who will know when to call it quits (if they ever need to) much like Sega did.

Regarding Nintendo's cash position, we will know in April after their annual financials come out how much cash they have.

pr0t0typeknuckles1252d ago

pachter shut up, has the guy ever been right about anything.

lilbroRx1252d ago

No. He actually predicted that the Wii U's marketing was right and that it would reach sells projections.

Thats when I knew it was going to be a bumpy beginning. Now that he is bashing them again, I'm sure they will do just fine.

PopRocks3591252d ago

Like the Wii was a mistake? Or the 3DS was a mistake? Come on, must we go through this every single time?

1upgamer991252d ago

Right, I mean the Wii was huge hit the first 4 years, and 3DS had a rough start I think because of the initial price tag. Most people just don't want to spend $250 for a handheld. Look at PSP, and Vita. Vita is cool and all, but if I had one I would want it for games not apps. My smartphone can do all that for me, same goes for 3DS though.

PopRocks3591252d ago

The PSP and Vita are solid pieces of hardware, but in order to really break into their target audience (which I'm fairly certain is teens and young adults) they need to up the anti on exclusive games and give the platform a competitive price drop.

The 3DS' appeal is more broad. It has RPGs, platformers, strategy games and even shooters from first and third parties. But all of that came a year or so after launch.

Like with the 3DS people need to give the Vita (and even the Wii U) the time it deserves.

roshi19871252d ago

Very different signs with the WiiU than the Wii. Its apples to oranges right now. Two very different systems.

1upgamer991252d ago

OMG, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH!