Elizabeth, the mysterious woman who’ll accompany the player in BioShock Infinite, used to have a historically accurate outfit, but that was changed because it wasn’t attractive and “why the hell would I want to hang around with her?”
Oh come now let's not make a big deal out of nothing. Let's not forget floating cities weren't around either
My problem was people randomly blaming feminists for Elizabeth's outfit change. Saying irrational caved in and were raging about it. At least some people flat out admitted they wanted tits. She gets her original outfit later in the game. She could wear that Lincoln head for the whole game and I wouldn't care, I just want this game so much
1) Her face and eyes showed great emotion and I'm a person who loves reactions and emotions, responses to situations being observable. 2) Tits were nice.
It's things like this that remind me why people consider games (and gamers) childish. God, even developers think we're all a bunch of horny nerds who are incapable of appreciating a female character unless she is sexy or attractive to look at. :(
Imagine if Elena and Chloe were ugly.
To be fair, people would have still bought Uncharted even if they were ugly. Because it's an amazing game. Not because two side-characters were good looking. (well...maybe some people bought it for that reason. But pretty, digital faces are a shit reason to spend $60 on a game that is amazing for so many other reasons).
you only find out about elena and chloe after you had played the game and they don't really play an important role in uncharted. in the third one they are almost non existent.
How ugly? It would ruin the story for lack of correct character portrayal if they were just terribly ugly because a major part of Chloe's story is that she was hot, to Drake. to Sully, to everyone. Without her looks the character the loses part of her personality. Also there is no way Drake would be going out of the way to risk his life for women that look like Sully because he would never have gotten to know them enough to care. Drake would not know or care if Chloe was on that train because their partnership would never entered the bedroom. I'm not trying to dog the character but I'm assuming he has preferences and a reasonable high expectations for himself. It's just not realistic to have Drake sleeping with ugly girls without seriously changing the character dynamic up.
@pozzle Name one female character that isn't attractive or Sexy that was capable to be appreciated by gamers? Not only in games but in the whole entertainment business. Sex appeal thrives the product. Like irishguy said, Uncharted 2 wouldn't be the same if Chloe lack the sex appeal or attractiveness.
Alyx Vance from half life Clementine from walking dead
All female children obviously. Any game with a cartoon style such as Jak or Ratchet has one or two which are not designed to look attractive. Ashelin and Helga are great examples. Courtney Gears would be the worst example. Any older characters. Brigid Tenenbaum from Bioshock is great example. There are several when you don't narrow your focus to the more realistic art styles and one fairly wide age range(18-35). I do agree Uncharted would not have been the same with an ugly Chloe because the whole foundation of that character's arc was that she was attractive. The story was written that way though which why Chloe had to look good to make the story plausible.
I have to agree with dboy. This isn't a gaming thing, just a general thing. Attractiveness isn't necessarily about sex or even beauty - it's about the ability to attract. And why would a publisher put something on a box that isn't likely to attract purchasers?
"God, even developers think we're all a bunch of horny nerds who are incapable of appreciating a female character unless she is sexy or attractive to look at. :(" I'd blame that on publishers rather than developers alone. Publishers are the ones that know what sells and what doesn't. I'm pretty sure if it was up to Levine and his team, her outfit wouldn't have changed. But since stuff like cleavage or masculine guys kicking ass appeal to the teens and since they are a big part of the crowd that buys games, it's only natural that they add such stuff to cater to them or to get their attention. Again, like most people who focus on such issues, the writer probably forgot that game development have become a big business, for better or for worse.
It's not a big deal. It's just business. Business not only found in gaming, but across all forms of entertainment. On the subject of historical accuracy; there weren't exactly floating cities during that time period either.
I'm not bothered by the devs making her attractive, tbh. I'm just bothered by the idea that the devs think the ONLY way gamers could possibly find her interesting or worth "hanging out with" is if she was attractive. Like, they don't think we'd possibly see the appeal of a compelling and interesting character in a historically accurate gown because...I don't know...she isn't "sexy" enough or something. It certainly gives a glimpse at what they think of gamers, or at least what sort of people they think play video games. :(
The way this piece frames the quote creates the impression that "not attractive enough" = "not sexy/objectified enough". Irrational has said that the original, mega-cleavage Elizabeth is the more historically accurate depiction. Perhaps they altered the model because her boobaliciousness felt cheap and unappealing?
Her new-look is not good give us the old Elizabeth .they can cover her boobs if they want but don't change the outfit and her face .
We all know why we fell in love with lara croft ;)
Lack of internet porn
"Wasn't attractive." So.. You're telling me a corset that made her boobs pop out on full display isn't attractive even tho it was accurate. So I guess all the women back then were doing it all wrong. I'm not saying her boobs need to be all out like that but you were going for accuracy and you hit. Then you scrapped it for no real reason what so ever and changed the character as a whole. Sounds like a load of bullsh*t.
I agree with Pozzle above. I understand them trying to make her attractive, but comments like "Why the hell would I want to hang out with her?" Really? Is her being a good character and a cool person not the main draw here? Christ, I do not like this industry sometimes. I don't like her outfit. Not because it's out of place, I mean it's silly to complain about historical accuracy in a giant hot-air balloon city in the sky, but because it's way too impractical. A dress with a corset and heels is the worst thing you could possibly wear when an entire city wants you captured or dead.
So the sexy cleverage one was actually the more accurate one? How do they go from killing two birds with one stone to none? Weird. Both outfits look great, but I'm still confused as to why it was changed because the corset "wasn't attractive". Eh? It seems that guys into games either have too much libido or none at all. What's more disturbing: "And I thought, ‘a user is going to look at this and be like, why the hell would I want to hang around with her?’" Really? You THOUGHT the user might THINK they wouldn't want to hang out with her? What makes you think I want to hang out her either way? Maybe I care more about helping her then "hanging out". If it's a matter of the fate of the human race, I'm not really going to pass on it 'cose "I just can't stand that Elizabeth chick. It's her outfit. It's SOOOOO unattractive..." :P Geeez. This and the cover art is really making me loose faith in Irrational. Way too much compromise in my opinion. Annoying that I'm still going to buy the game and will probably still enjoy it. I'm starting to dislike their philosophy but at the end of the day, the gameplay will speak for itself.
"This and the cover art is really making me loose faith in Irrational." I cannot for the life of me understand why they decided to put the main character brooding with a shotgun on the cover over Songbird. One we'll only glance at if we're lucky, the other is the iconic and menacing symbol of Columbia. I don't even have to mention which one would look more unique. Last time I checked, the original Bioshock sold VERY well with its box art, which featured only the Big Daddy and Little Sister. Songbird on the cover would only continue that style. Just look at the reversable cover people overwhelmingly voted for and my point is proven. Something like that is what fans wanted in the first place. But at the end of the day it's just box art and won't change the game. Still, it doesn't bode well for the artistic compromises Irrational is bending over for.
I still hating that they changed ellies face in last of us because It resembled ellen page too much......
Wait... Please tell me they didn't change the game so she's always gonna be wearing that ugly white lab coat looking thing rather than the blue dress. She looked iconic in the blue dress, you already had cosplayers dressing as her, that's the sign of an iconic look. I hope she does change into the blue dress after the scene that screenshot comes from. If not I'm really starting to think they shouldn't have delayed this game, it's seeming like they're watering it down and tinkering with their original vision for no good reason.
I'm glad they changed the outfit. Hot.
Okay i am going to call it. Gamers are afraid of breasts.They think as soon as you see any cleavage or anything bigger then an ironing board chest it is time to run for the hills.News flash. Women have breasts. Some have bigger breasts then others. The size of their breasts doesn't necessarily change their personally.If that is all you can see then it is your own warped and twisted mind.It is amazing how it is always the people who protest the most that notice these things.Other people just say 'Huh she looks kind of busty' and shrug their shoulders and move on. While the people who protest have pictures, videos, close ups of her breast and write whole pages about how she has big breasts and is showing too much cleavage.So I don't think the people who look at her breasts are perverted but the people who obsess about it who are the most perverted.You remind me of people who are always complaining about how short women's skirts are and how you can see their cleavage.How is it that you are the person who are always pointing it out? Why? Because you are the person watching it all the time.Probably wouldn't really notice as much if you weren't always pointing it out to me.
I don't mind the outfit change, but if they are trying to appeal to the lowest common person than this character just isn't going to be on the level of Alyx from Half-life 2. I though Ken Levine had some pull, but it is clear that he is letting marketing have way to much input in his decision making process. I still hope the game is great.
I hope they use her blue dress as her outfit, not because of her tits,because it's a better outfit overall
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