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Submitted by Cupid_Viper_3 672d ago | opinion piece

Microsoft Needs To Get Real

"Gamer-rider.com writes: I really dislike feeding into rumors, but I'll take the bait anyways since Yusuf Mehdi himself said the Xbox 360 is changing from being a gaming console, to an "entertainment console," something synonymous with Sony and the PlayStation brand. The rumors are that the next Xbox will be heavily influenced by apps and non-gaming related things, and that's all good because I'm sure there's a market for it. But for a bit of perspective, Sony and the PlayStation brand did something similar, but they did so in an era when Smart TVs, Smart Phones, and Tablets and many other gadgets simply didn't exist. Nowadays, we have TVs with built-in wifi receivers that can stream Netflix, check out Facebook, Twitter, etc. In my opinion, I think there exists the danger of very quickly becoming irrelevant when you alienate your core audience by focusing on offering things that are more easily accessible elsewhere." (Microsoft, PS3, Sony, Wii, Xbox 360)

The_Infected  +   672d ago
I agree. MS is riding the entertainment train right now and need to hop off and cater to the core gamers who made Xbox exist in the first place.
Cupid_Viper_3  +   672d ago
Nothing wrong with added value, but to treat that as the main dish seems to be the wrong way to go about it in my opinion.

@Kalowest

So was the PS1, PS2, and the PS3, but Sony never stopped focusing on making games for the core audience even when they had all of those third party games as well.

I think the problem is that so far Mirosoft has shown that they either can't get the balance right, or maybe they just don't care. I'm inclined to go with the latter, given how the original Xbox was dropped, and how they've ignored the core again this once they realized that there's lot of money in the casual market, and did a full 180 and went after it with Kinect.
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Kalowest  +   672d ago
Alot of MS studios(they have 16 or more) are now working on Next-gen titles; Theirs even talk of a new PGR. I think MS can't get the balance right when it comes to making games. Look at how many IPs were created for the Original xbox, compare to the 360.
Cupid_Viper_3  +   672d ago
@ Kilowest

Please name those new IPs that were created for me.
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blackbeld  +   672d ago
So true, Microsoft should get real and jump off this console market.

I bought the xbox cause I thought it will be great for hardcore gamers but instead I got only multi plats games and not even close to what hardcore gamers really need.
Army_of_Darkness  +   672d ago
Ms is completely focused on the casual market.
I can't understand why Microsoft don't just jump into an xbox 720 tablet, instead of another console if they are mainly focused on the casuals??
MikeMyers  +   672d ago
Microsoft needs to get real in many areas.

1. They need to realize they have to do better outside of the U.S.A.

2. They have to provide a free way of playing games online. Not to try and cover up that feature with apps and other non-gaming perks.

3. Kinect is not a core experience gaming application. It can add extra immersion but not to be treated as something games must have.

4. Investment in new ip's and let your game studios be creative.

5. Get rid of your deadweight. There are some key visionaries within Microsoft, don't let them be smothered with bureaucracy.

6. Allow Xbox Live to be more open. All these cap sizes for games, high fees, and restrictions have turned off developers.
Oh_Yeah  +   672d ago
Funny thing is, Microsoft is one of the richest companies in the world, they can definitely afford to take risks making new AAA ips, buying up quality studios, taking a loss on their console selling power for cheap to get on people's good side, free online gaming like everyone else. Yet they do the opposite...
MikeMyers  +   672d ago
Oh_Yeah, they have done the opposite because they are still a company that needs to show profit margins and not continuous losses like we seen on the original Xbox. What Microsoft has done is take away the perception that Sony is the go to device for multiplatform games. So by aligning themselves with all of these publishers (who make up the majority of games on any Sony gaming platform) they have created parity. No longer are key franchises like GTA being outsold on the Playstation by a 5-1 or larger margin like before. Games like Final Fantasy will because of the Japanese market and how they view the Xbox brand but they still got that ip as well as others like Virtua Fighter and Ace Combat.

They are taking steps but most people tend to want to ignore them. They have now tapped into the casual market and have acquired studios behind the scenes so I will wait and see just what transpires. I don't want the new Xbox to change directions later on like the Xbox 360 and I don't think it will now that they got casuals onboard. They have come a long ways of being recognized solely for shooters but they still have a long ways to go IMO.
dubt72  +   672d ago
@mike myers As you can see by my one bubble, I am a huge MS supporter, and I agree with all your points.
DOMination-  +   672d ago
They have 22 studios all of which are working on next gen. 6 of them are casual studios, a few are hybrids and the rest are working on core content. ...

and i can't name the new IPs because none of them are announced yet!
EVILDEAD360  +   671d ago
Microsoft needs to get real in many areas.

1. They need to realize they have to do better outside of the U.S.A.

Do you honestly think they don't know that? They have a strong prescence in the UK as well. But Japan is a lost cause this gen. They have already made a big push in Europe and have been hiring to hep in that regard

2. They have to provide a free way of playing games online. Not to try and cover up that feature with apps and other non-gaming perks.

Who knows what they will do next gen, but right now it is what it is and they have at least 20 million subscribing to gold.

3. Kinect is not a core experience gaming application. It can add extra immersion but not to be treated as something games must have.

Kinect was never the all out core game experience. It was marketed for families and it's best for most of those experiences. They are improving the device and even Sony is packing in their own Kinect type device with the PS4.

4. Investment in new ip's and let your game studios be creative.

You havent been looking close enough if you havent seen how much they have been investing in new IPs. Short answer they are.

5. No comment. All I know is tht there is proof that there has been massive hiring of people directly tied to pushing better games as well as entertainment.

6. Allow Xbox Live to be more open. All these cap sizes for games, high fees, and restrictions have turned off developers

Didn't bother Notch who sold 5 million copies of Minecraft which is huge on Xbox Live. All devs arent turned off.

In the end, MS is in the best position they have every been leading into the next gen.

They look like they are making all the right moves to improve on what makes them successful last gen from hardware to games and entertainment.

If the rumors of the used games ban are false and they are backwards compatible at launch and the included the Blu-Ray then the 720 will be huge.

But it won't mean they will win next gen by any strtch of the imagination. I think both consoles will do very well.

Evil
MikeMyers  +   671d ago
EVILDEAD360,

1. Of course they know that but we all know they love to emphasize how well the Xbox 360 is doing but rarely speak about how well it does outside of the U.S.A. I know Kinect was an attempt to reach out to different demographics but their marketing needs to branch out and connect more outside of the U.S.A.

One belief I have why they don't do as well is because the emphasis on the brand is tied to Xbox Live and you get the most value out of Live in the U.S.A.

2. Yes, they do have 20 million likely Gold members but that could be drastically improved if it were free. There is no reason to hold part of the game you bought as hostage unless you become a paying member. Not in todays times where there are more free alternatives that can compete with Xbox Live. Back in 2002 Live was head and shoulders above the competition in many areas. Today not so much. They can continue to have a paid model but the basic necessity of playing with other people online should be free.

3. Kinect was marketed as better with Kinect. That didn't really pan out. The core gamer found out quickly that Kinect wasn't as accurate or as technically advanced as first imagined. The Milo demo was smoke and mirrors and the lag from the camera to the actual movements could not replicate a good experience for most games. Kinect 2 could improve on that but we clearly seen a shift in focus from Microsoft the last few years where they coasted off of existing ip's to appease the core gamers while they put more investment into Kinect.

4. I hope so and I also hope they are not mainly just XBLA games and Kinect enabled games. Thy need more than just Fable, Halo and Forza to carry over to next gen.

6. Is Minecraft as good on XBLA as it is on PC? You can't cherry pick your titles to ignore real issues. Valve and the creator of Oddworld are just a few who have been very vocal about the restrictions. Then you have the indie scene who are pissed off about how their games are marketed on the dasahboard and indie developers like Jonathan Blow who have had terrible dealings with Microsoft. This isn't vaporware and just because some games sell well doesn't mean there are no issues within.

All I know is I will be watching very closely to how the next Xbox grows. From hardware reliability to Live and the value of Gold to how multiplat titles compare to their own investment of ip's. I have been a long customer of theirs but they need to show me why I should stay being one. Getting up on stage at E3 and showing what it can do and not what it actually does are two separate things. We've seen first hand how Kinect was displayed to real game environments. We've also seen a total reliance on 3rd party publishers and I imagine the PS4 will do a much better job in this category and not have hardware that puts up barriers like we saw on the PS3.

Microsoft is not going to be able to use bully tactics to reform 3rd party publishers for much longer. If games like Rayman were indeed delayed (on the Wii U) because of Microsoft's policy to have simultaneous releases the consumers will start to back away and publishers will stop catering to their demands. Especially if the PS4 and the Steambox do better than expected in the U.S.A.
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EVILDEAD360  +   669d ago
1. In 2011, MS promised they would outsell every console that year Worldwide.At the end of the year they announced that they accomplished that goal. It's been only days since they announced that they almost caught the Wii in sales in the UK. Both instances counter your claims, but like I said they just made a huge hire to push even harder in Europe. Your just not aware so you only see what they do in the US.

2. Again, no need to reanswer this. Your opinion on Live is your opinion. The facts are they have 45 million subscribers, 20+ million Gold and they just released the date to show the success they have had with the content that the pushed for the service. What happens next gen is anyone's guess.

3. Better with Kinect was not the only way Kinect was marketed as it predominantly has games that are strictly for Kinect. Which is where the device had it's greatest success. If your pretending that releasing sequels to your biggest IPs 2-3 years after the last one is 'coasting' then maybe your biased, as the other two consoles are guilty of the same. When was the last major new IP Sony had for the PS3. And if we arent talking major then XBLA and Kinect had plenty of new Ips. Bottomline Kinect brought them mass success, but they are improving on it next gen.

4. MS definately will bring their biggest IPs into next gen for their true Xbox fans s they should. They invested heavily into new AAA IPs and they would be idiots not to invest in the core as well as supporting XBLA and Kinect.

6. It's irrelevant if Minecraft is 'better' on PC. It's the biggest indie PC developer that has had a huge success story this past gen on the 360. It's not cherry picking, because had it been a horrible experience it would have been your #1 example. They fixed the dashboard and even have huge promos for indie games on the front page of the dashboard now. Again, no one is saying that there werent developers that had issues with MS, but you are pretending that ALL of them have had them and that some of those mistakes like the dashboard havent been resolved.

Again,every single console company has made it's mistakes this gen. But if you are going to make up stuff like Ubi got bullied by MS for a game like Rayman when there is no evidence of it being true at all then maybe one could say that MS isn't the only one who needs to get real.

Evil
Kalowest  +   672d ago
PS4 and 720 are both multi media entertainment devices, not just the 720.
The_Infected  +   672d ago
^ your right except Sony is actually caters to hardcore at the fullest aside from entertainment.
miyamoto  +   672d ago
Mr. God of War, M$ has been bandwagoning and riding on emerging markets since Apple computers, PlayStation, Android, EyeToy, Wii casuals and what not to stay relevant.

It has never created its own thing.
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Kalowest  +   672d ago
"It has never created its own thing."
Learn your history about companies before making comments like that. And in one way or another the same thing could be said about alot of companies.
Cupid_Viper_3  +   672d ago
There's really nothing wrong with taking existing ideas and improving on them, most if not all companies do it.

But as you can see in this specific case, the TV makers have taken the ideas from console and included apps in their smart TVs. So any console makers who's going to rely on apps and thinking that they can charge a premium for it is going to find themselves disappointed with the results.

Another advantage for the TVs is that new Revisions come out a lot more frequently then consoles do. Meaning that a console who's relying on that become more irrelevant day by day.
Shadow Flare  +   672d ago
Nintendo got into the games industry because of passion for gaming

Sony got into the games industry because of passion for gaming and revenge on Nintendo

Microsoft got into the games industry just for the money. And they'll go wherever the money is, even if it means dropping their core audience completely.

This is 2 generations now they've given their fans the middle finger. I wonder if their fans want to be duped a third time by a company that doesn't care about them, that makes them pay to play online and will just drop them at the first sniff of making money elsewhere. Wonder if they'll make a console that even works this time.
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-Superman-  +   672d ago
Microsoft has told that Kinect breaks records, and sells more than Xbox consoles, which means Microsoft will focus more on Kinect, than Xbox 360.
Look at last 3 E3s. 2010,2011 and 2012 were all about Kinect.

Well, i have to blame people too, Xbox 360 has so less many exclusive games, yet Xbox 360 keeps outselling PS3, which gives signal to Microsoft that people want more Kinect games, than hardcore games.

You want Microsoft to get real? Then stop buying Xbox 360 and Kinects, and this will give a signal to microsoft.
juandren  +   672d ago
Obviously Kinect would sell faster than the 360? Lol that's just like a game releasing. The 360 outselling the PS3 is an outright lie, though. Even on the games front, PS3 is outselling the 360 globally (the world is much more than just the US my friend).

I do, however, agree with you that it needs to stop. Microsoft is ruining gaming with their pay for everything BS. And don't get me started on timed exclusives. But I guess they need to do what they have to to stay relevant. I feel Sony will come out on top in the end, though.
Shadow Flare  +   672d ago
Xbox 360 outsells PS3 in the US

PS3 continuously outsells 360 in the World.

But I get the rest of your comment. Kinect has been their main focus at the past few e3's.

I heard rumours that Microsoft were meant to be showcasing the next Xbox before the ps4 but they weren't able to book Cirque du Soleil in time
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HeroReborn  +   672d ago
Could not agree with you more, from my view Xbox live needs to be restructured offering more to gamers. Making it worthy of my $60 a year, no offense but Access to netflix, acesss to hulu plus, or Espn is no longer going to cut it.
otherZinc  +   672d ago
This article was BS from the point of a tomato not being a vegetable. Followed by SONY selling 77million PS3's and leading the 360 worldwide.

FACT is; SONY will never say that as it isn't true.
Again; it would be lying to its Shareholders!

However, M$ will always speak to its shareholders and make it public. Nintendo will as well, good or bad. SONY, they'll always have some mysterious spin on things as this author attempted to do.

Does the author know the American market holds 2/3rds of the entire video game market. Does the author know the PS3 Sold more than double in the American market than what PS3 sold in Japan? Does the author know that the 360 is leading the PS3 in the American market by more than 13Million units and climbing.

Also, this author is referencing VGCharatz...
NPD is the only quality source for sales.
One other sales tracking medium overseas is quality and it isn't VGChartz.

I wanted to stop reading when I read the PS3 sold 77million, but I wanted to see how well you were going to mislead the public. You then countered your 77Million PS3's sold by saying the TRUTH for once in the article saying: 77million PS3's sold "Unofficially"! About time you told the truth.

The funniest thing was: attempting to suggest the COD & Halo sales are insignificant due to the entire gaming market. WOW! If Halo is insignificant, what the hell is Killzone to the market?

Well written article, however, it can only fool the stupid.

Also:
Still waiting on SONY to announce to its shareholders...We (SONY's PS3) are leading the XBOX 360 in worldwide sales. This wont happen!
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ILive  +   672d ago
Slow down, xbox fanboy, slow down. Its okay.
Xof  +   672d ago
Er, the 360 has only ever appealed to casual gamers.
stragomccloud  +   672d ago
Let's not be entitled here. I say share the love. Companies don't exist for catering to only one finicky(and extremely hateful and negative) demographic.
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AngelicIceDiamond  +   672d ago
I disagree if MS decides

"The internet and blog sites hate us lets pull the plug on the Xbox and leave millions of people who supported us out to dry and refund billions and billions of dollars to everyone"

You have to look at the Gears, Forza Halo fans. XBLA junkies multiplat indie, Casual whatever the kind of gamer they are. You can't simply take all that away from the consumer who are supporting Xbox.

What about PlayStation? They would get extraordinarily lazy and guess what? Seeing how MS isn't around to push Sony, Sony would start to cater to the casual crowd in full force. PlayStation Eye Kinect games for everybody. Sure they'll sell allot but what about the hardcore? Well they need little from you. They'll release Killzone, Uncharted, Uncharted and Killzone, GT6, Gow over and over again. Because of that super sweet casual crowd is raking in the cash for them.

No we need MS and both Sony in this thing together. That would be a horrible prediction for gamers.
rainslacker  +   671d ago
Sony already caters to the casual market, it just isn't their entire focus. There's money to be made from both causal, moderate, and hardcore gamers, and Sony caters to them all with PSN minis and retail games, as well as through their 1st party titles. If you look at their entire 1st party catalog, and stop looking at just their big AAA exclusives, you will find something for everyone in there, and many of them sell well.

MS now caters heavily to the casual market, does support the hardcore market to a small degree, and allows the 3rd party to fill in the rest. What I find discouraging most about MS though is the lack of exciting IP's that I PERSONALLY WANT TO PLAY. Two or three big titles do not a system make, and that is where MS has dropped the ball.

I don't want to see MS drop out, unless of course a better competitor comes along, but I do want them to do something that is appealing to me, and likely many others to boost competition and make things better for us, the consumers.
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dangert12  +   672d ago
I am not keen on Microsoft, but what they are doing seems to be working for them.
JoySticksFTW  +   672d ago
I don't disagree, but it seems to be working for them short term.

Like MS only catered to the hardcore gamers short term for two straight generations.

I bought a 360 for Mistwalker games, Dead Rising, Crackdown, GeOW, and Mass Effect. And except for Gears, those titles either dried up (MW), went south (CD2), or went multiplat.

Now 360 gamers are left wondering if they'll be supported short-term to be pushed aside for Kinect and entertainment focus when 720 launches.

Even reputable sites like neogaf are already debating whether their 360 gamers will jump over to PS4 next gen, mostly due to Sony's track record of continuously providing content for the hardcore gamer and now PS+. And if the PS4 design leaks are to be believed, it seems designed more towards gaming than extras.

Me, I probably won't get either system day one anyways. I still have too many games in my backlog from this gen, so I'll probably get both eventually during sales or price cuts. But honestly, it's going to be hard if not impossible to hold back.
stragomccloud  +   672d ago
MW didn't dry up. Microsoft cancelled the last game under the 3 game contract, neither party really wanted to finish the game anyway, so MW abandoned ship for Nintendo and made "Last Story" an amazing game~

By the way, Microsoft also brought down Ensemble studios. That was a sad story. After years and years of working under Microsoft, Ensemble was dropped before their final game(Halo Wars) was even released.
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Tei777  +   672d ago
lol, as little as microsoft has done to deliver exclusive support to the 360. Its still been very much alive. Exclusives only matter to those who need to validate their console purchase.. If you have a 360 and are enjoying the likes of Dishourned, Ac3, COD, Battlefield, Skyrim, Bioshock... essentially everything other then sony 1st party titles why does it matter?

For me personally the annoyance is in the fact that the 360s 1st party line up was so strong from 2007-2009. I assume many people bought the system expecting this to continue...

Also I'm sure many sony fanboys brag of exclusives they don't even play lol
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Cupid_Viper_3  +   672d ago
@Tei777

I'm sorry but you seem to contradict yourself in that post there.

First you said: " Exclusives only matter to those who need to validate their console purchase"

Then you said: "For me personally the annoyance is in the fact that the 360s 1st party line up was so strong from 2007-2009. I assume many people bought the system expecting this to continue... "

I think that's the whole point to buying a product over the next. Why should I buy GLAD garbage bags over the other ones on the market even though they all carry garbages. Because GLAD garbage bags are stronger, and I don't ever want to have to be picking up garbage with my bare hands from the floor while taking it out.

I believe that it is pointless for me to buy an xbox 360 if I already own a PS3 if all I'm going to play is the multi platform games. That money would be put to better use by buying games with for the PS3.
Tei777  +   672d ago
Haha, let me not contradict myself this time!

What I ultimately mean is that if you're enjoying you're 360, why does it matter how many exclusives it has? All that matters is that it has the games you want to play. If those games lay on another system (the last of us), then yeah sure you may regret your purchase. I mainly just trying to get at the point that people sometimes like to brag about exclusives regardless of whether they're going to buy them or not. If all you're favourite franchises are multiplatform (GTA/COD/elderscrolls/Assasins creed- sales suggest this is the case for many) then exclusives are merely a cherry on the top.

The latter point I made is a bit confused. Its only really valid if you're a 360 owner, who bought a 360 over a ps3 to play games like the original Bioshock or Mass effect which were 360 exclusive at one point. Now they're multiplatform you may feel cheated. If you don't care about microsofts other franchises (halo/gears/fable), then maybe you will look back in hindsight and wish you bought a pS3 instead and picked up Bioshock+mass effect when they were latter ported.
grayfoxx881  +   672d ago
"Exclusives only matter to those who need to validate their console purchase."

That's a pretty ignorant comment. I, like many others, bought a 360 because of Halo 3. It was a great game with awesome multiplayer, that's why it sold so well. Some exclusive games matter because they truly are great games. Get your head out of your ass.
Tei777  +   672d ago
I didn't mean it like that. If say you're really into Halo + a few multiplatform titles and nothing the ps3 has to offer then it really doesn't matter that microsoft rarely supports the 360 in exclusive content. I was just trying to make the point that exclusives for the sake exclusives doesn't amount to much. It all just comes to down to being able to play games you like, their exclusivity doesn't make them better.

The PS3 has had an abysmal year of 1st party titles. Around 10 were released in 2012 and they all flopped. Not trying to hate on ps3 (its actually my prefered console), just using it as an example. The 360 has tons of amazing games on it and still coming out for it, they're just not exclusives. RIP articles like this are ridiculously over the top lol
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mcstorm  +   672d ago
I love this fan boy rants. How many exclusives did the ps3 have in its first few years compared to the 360?

At the end of the day people should buy what they like not what everyone else says they should buy. I have a surface as it offers me more than what an iPad or android tablet dose but I don't go around telling other people they should not get an android or iPad because it works better for me.

Its all about choice people. If you all spent less time going on about what you don't like in life you might enjoy the things you do enjoy in life a little more.
ILive  +   672d ago
You are still a tool regardless, tei777. Ask yourself this: will it make any f**king sense if two consoles are in the market to only offer multiplats? Exclusives are meant to seperate the consoles, followed by the features. My friend that is only a 360 owner has nothing to look forward too after dead space 3. He does not want gears judgement because he is still content with 3. From now and perhaps till september, he has nothing to play. None of the multiplats coming between then interests him. Many 360 owners are likely in the same state, while ps3 owners got ni no kuni in jan, will get god of war in march, and last of us in june.
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jetlian  +   672d ago
exclusives only matter at the beginning.Once you buy a system you have it theres nothing more you have to do. If your friend only wanted those games he's screwed but its not costing him more than his original investment.

Whos says said 360 owners want ni no kuni,Gow,tlou either? The number of the exclusives doesn't make a difference either way. their could be a ps3 only owner that want gears.
Kevlar009  +   672d ago
With more people using Live for Videos and Music than online games, I don't think MS wants to go back into just the gaming business. They see more money in marketing Xbox as your one stop destination for your entertainment needs. Games will certainly be a part of it, but don't expect a "games first" policy, look to see less exclusives compared to PS4, or WiiU.

I'm interested in games first so I'm fairly certain I will pass on the next Xbox (if my assumptions hold true)
G20WLY  +   672d ago
Really sorry, I disagreed by accident. I think you're spot on.

Looking at games (and isn't that why we're all here?!) it has to be Playstation for me next gen. With the smart TVs getting ever smarter and TV outs for tablet PCs, Microsoft is playing a dangerous game with the Xbox brand, I think.

Some argue that PS has too many exclusives, but if that gives gamers a choice and they keep coming regardless, that has to be a good thing, right? I don't want only one or two AAA exclusives a year and have to choose between macho 3rd person or macho 1st person shooter - it's not enough. There's a massive gap in the spectrum, with that at one end and kiddies Kinect games at the other.

For me, it's games first and entertainment features are a secondary bonus; not the other way around! And it'll be the same for me next gen.
GribbleGrunger  +   672d ago
There's definitely some validity in this argument. It could be that all of Microsoft's resources are being channelled into the 720, but they certainly need to at least offer some new content to current 360 owners. Multimedia content is great if it doesn't become the only thing they offer. Microsoft have probably got some amazing things in the offing but right now they've gone disturbingly quiet about new IPs.
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Flatbattery  +   672d ago
I'll admit I'm no fan of Microsoft for various reasons, but on this subject I have to unbiasedly agree. Sony and Microsoft are in direct competition regarding gaming and if one irreversibly drops the ball, the other will have very little reason to improve.

BTW, I'm not disregarding Nintendo I just don't consider them direct competition(By which I mean games not sales, I'm not a shareholder sales don't interest me). Although if Microsoft do spectacularly mess up, I'm sure Nintendo would step up and absorb all those Xbox fans who for whatever reason would rather be a rotting corpse than own a Playstation.
juandren  +   672d ago
The only reason there are Xbox fans who wouldn't want to own a PlayStation is because they want their console to succeed. Don't think they will give up gaming if PlayStation is the only one left for core gamers.
Flatbattery  +   672d ago
Strange comment. Please enlighten us as to why the Xbox could be considered a guaranteed success over a Sony or Nintendo product?
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juandren  +   672d ago
Wtf are you talking about? :/
Flatbattery  +   672d ago
I don't know if we've both misinterpreted things here.

I was suggesting there are Xbox fans out there that wouldn't buy a Playstation if that was their only choice because they have an unusual hatred for Sony, regardless of Microsoft's similarity of being a huge business centric corporation. Wanting an Xbox to succeed is irrelevant if it no longer offers an up to par gaming experience, so I'm confused by the meaning behind your comment.
juandren  +   672d ago
We both know that most Xbox fanboys are blind as sh*t. It's not so much them wanting Xbox to succeed as it is them wanting the PlayStation to fail.

I personally think PS4 will trump the "720" easily. However, I don't think anybody will give up gaming just because the only console left for them is the one they hate.

I despise Microsoft (I feel they are messing up an eco system that was perfect), but if (God forbid) the PS4 failed, I would buy the 720.
rainslacker  +   671d ago
No, they wouldn't give up gaming, and they will eventually go to a system that had games appealing to them. Believe me, as a Sony fan, if Sony was focusing on the casual crowd, and offering little in the way of core support, and MS was offering heavy core support, I would own an Xbox right now.

While I think competition is good overall, I still don't discount the fact that a single dominate console is nice as well. Looking at the PS2 gen, there is a reason it was called the golden age of gaming. The only downside is that it caused Sony to become somewhat complacent and it hurt them early on in this generation. If Sony had come out the gate full steam with the PS3, this gen would have been much different. As it stands, Sony was playing catch up for the first couple years of the PS3 life cycle, and that didn't go unnoticed by gamers or the press. I'm happy they turned it around though, and am looking forward to what both MS and Sony will bring to the table for next gen.
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DivineAssault  +   672d ago
MS stopped getting my support years ago.. The tombstone is pretty accurate imo
EffectO  +   672d ago
Sony fans still live in some alternate reality,good good.
DigitalRaptor  +   672d ago
The alternate reality where Microsoft are not supporting the 360 much with core exclusive IPs?

Yeah..
GusBricker  +   672d ago
How many consoles did they sell at the last black Friday again?

Yeah...MS is totally dead.
Rip-Ridah  +   672d ago
I'm fairly confident that the author and most gamers are referring to the core support for "games" not "sales" being dead. What you have to understand is that not everyone is a fanboy making blind, baseless assumptions and accusations. (I know you didn't say that. I'm making a point.)

Many were supporters of the original Xbox and Xbox 360. Microsoft is displaying a pattern that it will support its console in its early years, then seemingly dropping support for it in its latter years. That has to be of concern for most level headed people. Screw me once, shame on you. Screw me twice, shame on me. If I allow you to screw me a third time, I'm simply a dummy.
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Hicken  +   671d ago
How many of those sales did you put in your 360 and play again?

I hate Microsoft. HATE THEM(in the gaming industry, anyway; prefer them to somebody like Apple, though). However, rather than leave the industry, I would like to see them FOCUS on it correctly.

That means providing games to their core userbase. That core userbase isn't particularly interested in apps and Kinect games. Certainly, there is a large market out there for both things, but neither of those markets were supporting Microsoft through their early years and struggles.

I'm not saying abandon the casual crowd. I'm saying don't rely on them as much as they are now. It's not sustainable, nor is it fair to the core fans who ALWAYS buy your stuff.

Yes, that means fanboys. I don't have a problem with fanboys because they're at least die-hards that support their company and thus the industry. Not always in the best way, but without fans and fanboys, there isn't much of a gaming industry.

Edit: Are you kidding me? Their last few years have shown how much Microsoft thinks of the core, as opposed to the casual. That's called RELYING. How much software they sell doesn't matter nearly as much as WHAT software they're selling. And even more important than that is the software they have UPCOMING.

"Trying to tap into" the casual market would be more like what Sony did: giving the casuals something to pick up. Microsoft has- late in this gen, anyway- thrown their lot in with the casuals. It's pretty hard to argue against that right now.

I'm in here commenting because I LOVE GAMING. I think that qualifies me to comment on whatever article I see fit. You won't find me in an article that I don't know anything about, which is why I'm rarely- if EVER- in a PC article, or embroiled in a specs debate.

If they had different practices in the industry, I wouldn't hate them. Which is why, smart guy, I comment on articles ABOUT them: I WANT to play more games, so I WANT them to do things to make me want their stuff.

Is that really that hard to grasp?
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MikeMyers  +   671d ago
How exactly are they relying on the casual crowd when we see software sales awfully familiar with PS3 software sales each month? Yes they rely on 3rd party publishers but so does Sony. Maybe not as much but they certainly do as well. They aren't relying on the casual crowd but rather trying to tap into that market too. It's not like you're going to contribute much if you go into discussions with that much baggage and hate.

I never understood why people who are quite happy with Sony's direction worry so much about what Microsoft is doing and if you 'HATE THEM' so much then you should simply ignore topics about them.
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Jek_Porkins  +   672d ago
Microsoft is doing the exact same thing as Sony and Nintendo, they just advertise it better. The games will be there, they've opened a ton of studios to ensure of that, they put so much money into their games that the quality is stellar, just look at Halo 4 and Forza Horizon, those came at the tail end of the Xbox 360 and are now two of my all time favorite games!

Nintendo has apps, Sony has Apps, Nintendo tries to capture both audiences, so does Sony and Microsoft.

Don't hate on Microsoft for advertising that they want to be in living rooms and that their consoles can do more than game.
level 360  +   672d ago
Think Microsoft is doing this to both attract and subliminally take the shine away from their formulaic game title line-up unlike Sony who I think is more brave in letting new game developers showcase their talents.

It might or might not help them since most television screens presently selling have now the availability of some of those app and features as standard.
baldulf  +   672d ago
Microsoft started this gen really strong, with a lot of quality games and very varied too.

But they haven't released anything decent since years ago besides Halo/Forza/Gears. It seems they have not interest on any IP that doesn't sell at least 4 million units.

And Kinect is a cancer.
hazelamy  +   672d ago
i have to agree, especially when they're charging a fee to access services that are free on other devices, barring the cost of the services themselves, which you also have to pay for on top of the gold sub.

they're charging people for the right to pay other people for their services.

honestly, i'm surprised all these companies aren't pissed off, ms are charging people to access their services.

i imagine the movie studios would be pissed off if they started charging people to go into their stores before they even get a chance to buy any dvds.

be a bit of a piss take if ms continue doing this and then actually implement that bs anti preowned thing.

we wouldn't be allowed to profit from somebody elses work, even though we legally own that copy after buying it, but they can.

but then this whole industry has become about double standards, one rule for the industry, millions of rules for the consumers.
clintagious650  +   672d ago
I dont know how MS is going to do with the nextbox but u can almost be GUARANTEED that xbl will always be a paid service because ALOT of MS money comes from xbl. MS are the masters of disguising & manipulating gamers into buying the 360 with timed exclusives that will say, "Only On Xbox" or exclusive dlc which comes on the 360 1st before other consoles for KNOWN 3rd party games. They are so good at advertising this that your average person looks at that & buys into it. Look there is nuttin wrong with MS making money but to sit there & actually own a 360 & be a core gamer, u cant seriously be happy with what MS has offered so far & they had a year head start over sony which should already tell u that they could careless what the core wants, they will focus wherever the MOST MONEY comes from which is kinect. Look for kinect halo games with the nextbox.
killerorca258  +   672d ago
Microsoft openly admitted that they only made xbox to "steal some of Sony's profit". MS just want to take a bite out of every pie in the gaming market: touch controls, motion controls, asymmetrical gaming i.e Wii U, entertainment hubs, and any other markets that will emerge in future.
edonus  +   672d ago
This article is full of cherry picked weak logic. He does things like use facts as evidence about opinions. Like he 360 is the slowest selling console worldwide which is a fact but it being worrisome is an opinion. If you cherry pick around the fact that the 360 generated more money than any single competitor compared worrisome is a stretch.

Another thing he almost had it right when he was talking about look at Halo and COD and how they hit around a 15% of the install base but went a stray. Reality is core gamers place to much value on themselves. Name any core game.... truly core and you will find barely any that sales over 5 mil units. You say Halo COD those have core gmaers but are supported by lots of casual gamers. Samething with Uncharted and Gears of war, Metal Gear. A game like Ni No Kuni no chance of cracking 5 mill, Demon Souls nope... This is because the true core market is actually very small. You think the majority of Sonys 77 million (shipped) are in the hands of core gamers. Same thing with the 360 90% of the market is casual.

Any way let me wrap it up. MS is looking at trends and the real market not the fantasy market we wish it was. Casuals core and everyone in between and those people are linked by their love of technology. The company that delivers the most impressive and unique tech will be the ones that dominate next gen and MS has been showing and pushing lots more impressive(from a consumers perspective) tech than the competition.
Cupid_Viper_3  +   672d ago
@ edonus

"Like he 360 is the slowest selling console worldwide which is a fact but it being worrisome is an opinion"
T
hat is the main reason why we have Kinect, as it was very evident to Microsoft that interest in the it couldn't keep pace with neither the Wii or the PS3.
http://techhall.wordpress.c...

Which is why Kinect had a 500 million dollars marketing budget, as the 360 needed something to keep it from becoming irrelevant. http://news.softpedia.com/n...
http://www.engadget.com/201...

You say: "Name any core game.... truly core and you will find barely any that sales over 5 mil units."

That's exactly my point, Sony have A bunch of games that are from the 500,000- 2 million units sold mark. But you guys normally labels those as flops right, but they're actually catering to specific part of their audience. You know, the ones who aren't buying COD, Battlefield, Uncharted, God of War etc.

The latest notion going around N4G is that Sony is making games nobody asked for because they're in the millions, like how they treat PSASBR as a huge failure, Heavenly Sword, and many other countless PS3 exclusives.

To your last points "MS is looking at trends and the real market not the fantasy market we wish it was." and "The company that delivers the most impressive and unique tech will be the ones that dominate next gen and MS has been showing and pushing lots more impressive(from a consumers perspective) tech than the competition"

Absolutely not, MS pushing the most impressvie and unique is factually wrong, and there's no 2 ways about it. It can even be considered an opinion or perspective, wrong is wrong, period.

On the contrary I think MS are the ones looking at a fantasy market, where Smart TVs and Iphone, and Ipads and Tablets don't exist and believes that they'll be able to resale people features their TVs and phones other gadgets already offers.
edonus  +   671d ago
We have kinect because nintendo showed there was an opening in a very big market. Those systems cant keep pace with money making power of the 360 what makes you think MS hand was forced.They did kinect because they wanted to.

The whole world console sales are taken out of context. You want to sale more systems to move more software. The only reason Sony is even competing with MS is Japan (for whatever reasons dont buy 360s). They buy Ps3s but they dont support the current software trends, so they are pretty much only padding for Ps3 sales.

I know Sony tries to appeal to a specific crowd but the problem is you guys act like that crowd is way bigger and important than it is. Thats why those core specific games move so few units against the install base.

As for tech its appeal is always in question until its sold but MS has kinect and undeniable success coming back for round 2, they showed the ilumniroom the google glasses and smartglass. While from sony we have seen a touch (not a touch screen) and mic integrated in to controller and what seems like a variation of MOVE with rumors of their own kinect(which will be far behind development of MS kinect 2). I would say the odds are tipped in MS favor.

And all those devices you listed are in totally different markets not affecting game games/entertainment console. And My TV and my 3d blu ray player offer Netflix hulu plus and facebook and other apps, but I had my 360 first and have always been a gold member. So you could say they sold me something another gadget already gave me. Especially since I pay for XBL for MP. If I didnt wnat MP I would just use my TV or Blu Ray.
Clarence  +   672d ago
Casual trend is gone which is why the Wii and the Wii u are having problems.
The article was the truth. M$ sits back and waits to see what's doing good then they try to copy it.

Sony was mocked by the media, M$ and by Xbox fanboys, for what the PS3 is capable.
Now M$ wants to jump on the bandwagon and claim their all about entertainment. It s to late for that. Sony has been the complete entertainment hub since 2006 and still is
edonus  +   671d ago
The Nintendo Wii went under because it was underpowered. The WiiU is struggling because it has been marketed as a core alternative to the the Wii meaning it has to compete with the "small" core market dominated by Sony and MS.

Kinect just had another monster holiday, meaning the casual trend is alive and kicking.

MS blazed the trail for digital downloads and system integration. Xbox was streaming HD video before everyone else.

And they all copy each other but there is nothing out there like kinect or ilumniroom. MS is totally about entertainment... games are entertainment too.
Stoppokingme  +   672d ago
MS are just like any other business, they focus their attention mainly on profit margins, sales figures, and ways to increase these two things.

What they need to do is put their ears to the ground and listen to what the fans have to say. Sure if you want to attract average consumers go ahead with kinect 2.0 for nextbox. But if they really want to make a killing try beating Sony at their own game by making quality games and exclusives.

After all business is about producing a better product than your competitors, and lately MS is not doing that.
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NYC_Gamer  +   672d ago
MS needs to bring some quality core exclusives and studios next gen
Thatlalala  +   672d ago
Sure MS has not put out as many exclusives as Sony but the ones that have came out since 2009 are quality. Who really cares if Sony have 2 or 3 more exclusives, when majority of the community still just trudges through mediocre-mulit-platorm-annual- relase crap.
NYC_Gamer  +   672d ago
So,us gamers shouldn't want more quality exclusives from MS?what the majority plays won't change the fact that many of us want more core exclusives..MS needs to shift some focus away from Kinect and media to bring us something fresh not just Halo/Gears/Forza..
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Thatlalala  +   672d ago
What the majority plays is what we call "Demand". Some of you may come on here and think and speak otherwise, but the rest of the world speaks with their wallets, what do you think MS, Sony or any other game studio listens to. It is a business.
greenpowerz  +   672d ago
PS3 fanboys feeling bold because of the PS4 announcment. This article is nothing more than a collection of lies made up in a pro Sony damage control effort.

Using IDK's bogus report on PS3 sales as if Sony cought up to MSFT after being behind almost 3 million and then sold 6 million PS3's this holiday to match the 360 LMAO>

Haters will attack MSFT for media offerings because MSFT has more and does a better job intergrating them into the core xbox experience.

Kinect is attacked because MSFT had made adavanced tech that was a system seller and a Japanese company did not causing japanese lovers to be angry as if it's against the rules and should be the other way around.

PS3 had no core games in 2012 for the holiday and not much else during the year yet some how PS3 fanboys still spew the same talking points about the 360 not having games, with fanboys feeling justified because the can wave their list of games made up of mostly games that have been delayed for a 1/4 1/2 of an decade, shovelware and jap nonsense.
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urwifeminder  +   672d ago
Looking forward to the new MS console between that and pc i will be most happy.
MichaelLito79  +   672d ago
I totally agree that the focus should not be on entertainment. I feel that having xbox live as a service with all the features should be secondary to Microsoft and games should be the number 1 priority. What Microsoft needs to do is have focused media briefings with upcoming titles so that core gamers can be satisfied. The main issue is that Microsoft needs to be more open about games so that gamers can feel that there system has it all and is not just focused on entertainment.
chrismichaels04  +   671d ago
i agree 100%

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