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PlayStation 4 will stream PS3 games, reports WSJ

Last June, Sony purchased Gaikai, a company that can stream games — delivering them over the internet in real time from remote servers, by sending compressed video frames.

Now, The Wall Street Journal reports what many have suspected for months: Sony will use the service to stream games to the next PlayStation game console, which the company is widely expected to reveal on February 20th.

However, according to the publication, Sony won't necessarily use Gaikai to deliver brand-new games. Those will still be delivered on optical disc. Instead, the next PlayStation will bring existing PlayStation 3 games to the new system using the streaming technology.

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DaThreats1258d ago

Should stream ALL PS games.

NeverEnding19891258d ago (Edited 1258d ago )

How nice of SONY, going ahead with the most wanted feature of PS3 owners on the PS4.

What a great service they are doing gamers by making us rebuy all of our PS3 games. I've been a Playstation fan since the beginning but it's underhanded tactics like this that make me ashamed of SONY.

I'm looking for real BC on the PS4. If Microsoft sticks with BC and Sony doesn't; that could be the deciding factors for many gamers including myself.

Dylila1258d ago

this is really amazing if true. i cant wait for ps4.

classic2001258d ago

cloud gaming is the closes you and me will ever get to backward compatible.

WooHooAlex1258d ago (Edited 1258d ago )

How do you know they'll make you rebuy your games? They could look at the trophy list on your PSN account and just let you play all of those games.

Not saying that's gonna happen, lets at least wait until something is announced.

3GenGames1258d ago (Edited 1258d ago )

Can't believe people are dubbing this "amazing". This won't be free! They should support the games you already own, if they want to make it amazing. Make it use PS3 disks and run them on the hardware, just like CECHA PS3's did with PS2. Otherwise, streaming is just a meh feature...heck, it's a service because you'll have to pay, NOT a "feature".

Reportillo41258d ago (Edited 1258d ago )

@ woohoo
there's no way of them knowing if you bought the game or not...some of the trophies you have might be from borrowed or rented games

Arksine1258d ago

MS isn't going to do BC either, so I wouldn't get ahead of myself trolling if I were you. Simply put, the 3.2Ghz PPC hardware in the 360 and PS3 cannot be emulated by a 1.6Ghz x86 architecture.

The only way to get BC is to include the old hardware inside the new, which drives up costs and makes the machine larger. We are talking $100 extra at a minimum, and in today's market that will get you beat, atleast in the US...which is a region MS cannot afford to lose.

a_bro1258d ago

if anything this is most likely gonna be part of the PS+ subscription.

baldulf1258d ago

Why should you rebuy your old games?

sGIBMBR1258d ago (Edited 1258d ago )

If MS or Nintendo did this, by the users of this site it would be a scam of making people re buy their old games! Because it's Sony, all is good :)

I'm glad you fools are the minority!

EbeneezerGoode1258d ago

They could have it so it RECOGNIZES YOUR PS3 BLURAY DISC which then authorises the streaming of that game. I have to say this is a very imaginative solution to the BC problem while trying to make a new super powerful console on new hardware!

Much better than upping build cost with old chips inside. Genius stroke if it works like I just said - disc in to prove you own the PS3 game (instead of rebuying)

Rebuying kinda defeats 'backwards compat' so I doubt they would ignore your PS3 library.

TheGamerDood1258d ago

got the source from WSJ article.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Sony Corp. 6758.TO -1.87% is planning to offer technology to stream games to its next videogame console, people familiar with the company's plans say, alongside other enhancements to bolster its position in the market.

The new technology, to be unveiled Wednesday along with the new console, will allow users to play games delivered over the Internet, these people said. The streaming service, they added, is designed to use current PlayStation 3 titles on the new console; the new device is also expected to play new games stored on optical discs.

Sony's plans come after it acquired Gaikai Inc. last year for $380 million. Though many companies now offer simple games over the Internet, Gaikai was one of several companies that offered online access to visually intense games, which ordinarily require specialized circuitry found on high-end personal computers and gaming consoles.

The streaming technology is one of the new features and enhancements expected to be offered with the new console, which Sony plans to unveil at an event in New York. Sony's new PlayStation, for example, may control the action with higher fidelity cameras for its "Move" motion-sensing technology and touch-sensing pads on new controllers, according to people who have seen and been briefed on the devices.

Still, Sony is pushing ahead and has been investing heavily to prepare Gaikai's service, people familiar with the matter say. Microsoft also has experimented with its own version of cloud gaming, people at the company have said, but has in the past questioned the costs associated with building a service large enough to reach all its customers.

Saigon1258d ago

Because of the source, I doubt this would be considered a rumor. Usually when the WSJ, Reuters, or the other (Bloom-something, can't remember the name) reports information it can be considered creditable. They normally go by facts rather than expected fiction. Meaning, they have a valid source before they post anything or place it in their news papers.

The Great Melon1258d ago (Edited 1258d ago )

@EbeneezerGoode

Bubbles for you. That would be an incredibly smart way to implement backwards compatibility. While I still want real compatibility without any latency, this would nonetheless be a brilliant move for Sony.

I hope they make a backwards compatible PS4 like they did with the PS3. The reason why I own an old 60 GB PS3 instead of some of the later models was simply because I heard they were cutting backwards compatibility out. They honestly forced me to spend $500 back then rather than wait for a price cut.

Sunk1258d ago

Its not a scam. When you purchase a game you don't buy a 'license' for it you only pay for the copy of that game. You can't 'own' a game, you only own the copy that you purchase.

Lvl_up_gamer1258d ago

I said sony would do this. Now like i also said be prepared to pay for it as well. Ps+ and gaikai will be combined for a paid subscription. You will be basically paying a rental fee to play the games on the ps4 that you bought for the ps3.

How else do you think Sony will make back the money they spent on buying gaikai?

Kevin ButIer1258d ago

OMG I must be missing something here... people is wining about having to rebuy their games... by common sense I assume you have a PS3 to play those games right? If you are so in love with your PS3 games library you should keep your PS3. Stop this non sense, this is pure trolling.

kenshiro1001258d ago

You mad bro, you real mad.

kneon1258d ago

Who's forcing you to rebuy any games? Are they making you trade in your PS3 and all your old games before you can buy a PS4? No? Didn't think so.

By the end of 2014 a PS3 will probably be down to $129 so even if your current PS3 dies you will be able get a new one for peanuts.

3GenGames1258d ago

Love how everything disagreed with me, but are praising a super-flawed way of recognizing what games they own. Games can't be numbered because they're made with physical dies. So if you put in a game and can stream it, who would be dumb enough to buy a game instead of renting/borrowing another copy instead? Use your head, N4G averages.

Ashunderfire861258d ago (Edited 1258d ago )

It could mean that you can still put your PS3 game in, but the Gaikai could install it on the PS4, without a hitch. Why would they make you rebuy it when games like The Last Of Us, Beyond, GTA5 and many more games that are coming out this fall for PS3?

wsoutlaw871258d ago

I only used BC once on my ps3 and i quickly stopped. I dont see why people care so much, just keep your ps3 if you have ps3 games. Im sure they came up with this gaikai solution as an answer to the fans that would be upset they couldn't play the games they already bought for ps3 on it. For that reason i think that theres a good chance that you will not have to rebuy any thing. The bluray drive is still the same so it should be able to tell what disk you have.

battlegrog1258d ago

Umm if you have those games then you have a ps3.So you dont need to re buy it on ps4.

KrisButtar1258d ago

I think it would be included in the hardware not using gaikai cause just looking at one country(USA) a 3rd of the population don't have Internet which is about 120million, that's a lot of people just in one market, what about Europe and Japan markets. sure not all of them will buy a ps4 but why alienate potential costumers.

http://arstechnica.com/busi...

RyuCloudStrife1258d ago

WTF u smoking son? PASS THAT S#IT!!!

thecurseddevil1258d ago

why would u buy the next xbox for bc,
pc can play most of the 360 games as most of 360 games are multiplat.

Fat Onion1258d ago (Edited 1258d ago )

Sony will most likely require you to insert your ps3 disc into ps4 everytime you play to verify you have it. Its as simple as that!

J_Cob1258d ago

Why not just keep your PS3? I still have my PS2.

GribbleGrunger1258d ago (Edited 1258d ago )

Sir, you are a dull and repetitive human being.

Anyway ... This also opens up the possibility of every single PC game coming to the PS4 too. In fact I'll personally guarantee it [Note that the previous statement is subject to change, and may not represent the final product.]

WitWolfy1258d ago

@NeverEnding1989

Dude I agree a 100% with you! My ISP will prob ban me if I stream games eventually exceeding a certain threshold... Who knows what cap will be needed to finish Uncharted in a 12 to 15 hour run through...

It sucks living in a 3rd world country...

DOMination-1258d ago

This was inevitable when Sony broke away from the cell. I don't like it but its the best solution. To be fair most won't care about ps3 games when there's ps4 games out there.

I do think MS will be able to have BC though. MS are always obsessed with that on the windows platform to the point where it stops it from moving forward. People get annoyed at first but they'll move on. They did with ps3, they will again with ps4

delboy1258d ago (Edited 1258d ago )

@Dylila
You can't wait to pain again to be able to play games you already own?!
No brain, but money to trow away.

@sigibmr

Going by the votes you've got, the fools are in fact in majority. Lol

MaxXAttaxX1258d ago (Edited 1258d ago )

No. If you have PS3 games it's because you have a PS3 to play them on. You're NOT forced to rebuy anything.

""If Microsoft sticks with BC...""
Right, because if Microsoft does BC it will somehow solve your PS3 games problem. /s

GameNameFame1258d ago

They may not ask you to purchase the game. You may simply be able to load your PS3 disc in PS4 and it may recognize it and book up Gaikai Streaming.

Hayabusa 1171258d ago

'cose, you know, new hardware is all about playing last generation games right?

Being backwards compatible is a definite plus, but not an essential feature, and contrary to whatever you might think, backwards compatibility does not determine the success of a console. In fact, if it needs backwards compatibility to be successful, then that only shows that that new generation library of games is weak.

Best solution to backwards compatibility? keep our old hardware. simple.

The 360 is backwards compatible, yet one of my favourite games on the original XBox that I still want to play (Otogi 1 and 2) just happens to be one of the few games 360 won't play.

Suck it up and enjoy the PS4 for what it is.

OccludedGamer1258d ago (Edited 1258d ago )

I hope your equally ashamed for MS for not making all original Xbox games compatible and also Ninty for double charging (at a significantly lower price) customers for their digital content to be ported to the Wii-U OS.

If you look at the history then actually PS3 had the greatest BC functionality any console has ever had, with the original system capable of playing anything from Sony's entire history in the industry. No other console has ever had a system compatible with 2 previous generations of software and media.

You could try dispute the removal of the emotion engine but it would likely only be from a one sided perspective. When Sony removed the BC they knew a huge backlash would follow, it's not something any business would take lightly. So really you have to think, what was in their projections? Obviously things were going very bad for them and they needed to save costs somehow. I miss my BC but I'm also glad the system is still here..... but would it be if Sony didn't cut the BC?

sackboyhappy1258d ago

if you want to play ps3 and ps4 games simply keep both consoles

Red_Orange_Juice1258d ago

I DON'T care about BC, NEVER did.

When ps4 launches I plan playing ps4 games, I don't have time to go back to games. The only games I went back to this gen were Uncharted and Fallout

wishingW3L1258d ago (Edited 1258d ago )

PC does better BC for PlayStation games than a real PlayStation console. And the funny thing is that all these emulators are created by a bunch of amateurs and for free with better emulation and graphics than an HD collection.

Don't you guys find that incredibly ironic?

FamilyGuy1258d ago

PS3 has a cell processor, unless they add one in every PS4 (which would raise its cost) I HIGHLY doubt the PS4 will be backward compatible.

I would think because of the way they design games around the cell it would be hard for the new system to to play them without it.

infamousinfolite1258d ago

ANOTHER IDEA!!

When you sell your games to Gamestop, Gamestop could give you a code that allows you to stream your old games with actually repurchasing it. Like if I sold MGS4, I will get a code that will allow me to 'buy' MGS4 and stream it to my PS4...

or

They could just make all the old PS3 games $20 or less.

Flavor1257d ago

Hilarious how rumors of cloud support on xbox720 were met with derision and scorn on this site...

starchild1257d ago

This is very cool, but I still hope for hardware backwards compatibility.

I would love it if Ps3 games could even be improved on the PS4 in terms of anti-aliasing at least.

I want the quality of PS3 games to go up, not down. But maybe that is still possible using the streaming tech. We'll see. Exciting times.

Yi-Long1255d ago

... but reading 'streaming' fills me with sadness, as I have absolutely no faith in that technology seeing how unstable/slow many internet-connections are.

I just want hardware-based backwards compatibility. I just want to put my PS3 disc into the new console and play the game.

I would even be willing to pay 100 bucks extra to have them include the extra necessary hardware needed to provide backwards compatibility.

They could even release 2 versions of the PS4, 1 with BC (including the PS3 hardware) and 1 without.

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Smashbro291258d ago

Oh god please, hardware support PLEASE! Screw streaming.

EbeneezerGoode1258d ago

And increase costs for everyone buying the console even the VAST majority who don't want to replay old/dated games??? Makes no sense.

This is perfect solution. Brand new hardware, old gamers catered for with streaming (Put PS3 disc in PS4 - simple security disc check will enable the stream - no need to REBUY your game)

If I can think of that solution then am sure Sony has.

classic2001258d ago

lol you act like its not optional.

Imalwaysright1258d ago

Speak for yourself fanboy. To this day I play my Megadrive, SNES, PS1 and PS2 games. I invested a lot of money on my games and i want to make sure that the money i spent won't be going to waste. The fact that i would be forced to be online and the fact that all sort of things could go wrong with this kind of "service"makes this streaming crap worthless to me. Gaikai is not the answear to BC. Not by a long shot.

clearelite1258d ago (Edited 1258d ago )

I would rather have the option to play my physical PS3 games as well, that are not on someone else's remote server, for various reasons.

Although, streaming is okay for demos, online games, and games I don't need in my collection imo.

@ebeneezer: It WOULD make sense to have hardware support for PS3 backwards compatibility because it wouldn't be very expensive to implement and it would enable their continued support of the PS3, a system with an already large user base. Although your security disc check I could almost live with if necessary.

@Alpha: Your BC accessory add on idea I could deal with.

jonboi241258d ago

Can't you just keep your PS3? Full hardware BC would only cost more to manufacture and bump the price up. Just keep your PS3 and play on that. I still have all my older consoles and still use them. Sony isn't forcing you to rebuy your games or using this service. Seriously no one complains about having to rebuy a PS1 or PS2 classic they once owned.

Snookies121258d ago

@clearelite - Yeah, but like EbeneezerGoode mentioned, it would really hike up the price if they added PS3 emulation... I love his idea of having the disc put in to do a check on it. It would be the same exact thing as PS3 emulation. Put in the disc, stream the game. When you take the disc out, you won't be able to play it until you put it back in. It's exactly what we are doing now, but streaming instead. That would also take out the possibility of "rented or borrowed games" being added to your digital library. You could only play them while the disc is inserted.

NeXXXuS1258d ago (Edited 1258d ago )

I agree with you. I prefer having a physical copy of my games. I don't like the idea of streaming video games or having everything being downloadable. Most developers already don't put a manual inside the game cases because it's online. I'm getting a bit tired of technology becoming too mainstream and having to be "futuristic" in order to make people feel happy.
Just a personal opinion

Yi-Long1255d ago

... PS3's can break down, and when that happens and they don't sell them anymore, the ability to play your collection of games would be gone as well. Which is why we wantbackwards compatible hardware in the PS4.

It would cost them less than 100 bucks to implement it in the new PS4, hardware-wise, and I would be more than willing to spend that extra money to get hardware-based BC.

Maybe Sony can release 2 versions of the PS4: 1 with complete backwards compatibility by including the necessary hardware, and one without, which would obviously be cheaper.

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shutUpAndTakeMyMoney1258d ago (Edited 1258d ago )

ps3 games on the go on vita! my 15mb/s is ready!

Just_The_Truth1258d ago

Can anyone clarify. By streaming do they mean you connect your ps3 to your ps4 using gaikai and play your old ps3 games?

The_Infected1258d ago (Edited 1258d ago )

^ It means Gaikai will stream games to the PS4 that are on PS3
. If you get a PS4 you also have the capability with it to stream PS3 games without the need for a PS3:)

DOMination-1258d ago

You won't need to connect your ps3 to your ps4.

There will be a store where you'll have to rebuy your ps3 games. Then they are played on a remote server and streamed to your ps4.

Just_The_Truth1258d ago

Thanks guys. So basically if I own the disk already it doesn't matter but I can rebuy them and have them streamed to the ps4. If so how is that any different from the playstation store?

Red_Orange_Juice1258d ago

if they are streamed, it doesnt matter on what platform they are from originally (Sony can even allow PC games being streamed to PS4), games from store would require backwards compatibility

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The_Infected1258d ago

Why can't PS3 stream PS4 games as well? Even if lots of people didn't buy the PS4 it's not like its going to hurt Sony they want profit from PS4 that much if any at all for a long time. I think it should go both ways because not everyone would have the Internet speed to stream the games and those could easily buy the PS4. It should self balance itself out.

Fat Onion1258d ago

Because ps4 will have new eye toy...new controller and other stuff they want to sell. But yeah, they could do that if they wanted to but then that would decrease number of ps4's being sold. Large amounts of them being manufactured lowers build cost of console.

N311V1258d ago

Third paragraph of the article tells you why.

DeadlyFire1257d ago (Edited 1257d ago )

Well the likely fear is that PS3 might have errors utilizing the program code. I personally believe it would be more than possible if they gave PS3 right conditions by building an app for PS3 to launch. They have done it for Windows, Mac, Linux, and so on for different Cell phone OSes. So its more than possible.

The only real requirement is bandwidth + small app to run the code. Cell phones run OnLive just fine. OTOY has also been tested on those platforms. PS3 is more than capable. If PS2/PS1 had a unified Network/system for updates then it could even run it.

With Gaikai PS1,2,3,4, Vita, PSP, and PC titles could be streamed to any of the platforms that had enough power to utilize the application(Andriod, iOS, Windows, Linux, Mac, Smart TVs, all Smartphones, and so on.)

Likely Sony might be aiming to throw in a rental service for games, and possibly a way to sell or trade games between profiles with developers receiving a royalty with every sell/trade. Then again that is in a semi-DRM free world though and we know that doesn't exist.

BioDead1258d ago

YES! Every single PS game from every region!! <3_<3

Jason1431258d ago

its not as crisp as playing it on your tv with a disc. if they can perfect the visual quality will be amazing. if not will be like onlive and that isnt a good thing