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Submitted by Slapshot82 532d ago | opinion piece

What if... Nintendo turned third party?

Digitally Downloaded writes:

"Recently, Codemasters’ Senior Executive Producer Clive Moody stated: "I think it [Wii U] is the future,” when talking to ABC’s News 10 about the prospects of the upcoming next generation of consoles. Will the Wii U be the “future” of home console gaming like Moody thinks it to be? What if it isn’t – what happens then? Well, let’s take a look through the looking glass, shall we?" (Industry, Nintendo, Wii U)

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PopRocks359  +   532d ago
A lot of people tell me how "awesome" it would be if Nintendo did go third party. But frankly I think it's more detrimental than people believe.

Nintendo makes games very well. On hardware they understand. Why else does Mario Galaxy look so much better than much of its third party Wii brethren. The same came be said about The Legend of Zelda Wind Waker. Taking away their hardware would hinder that process.

I don't know. It seems ludicrous to me. It's like asking "why doesn't Sony go third party." It's not something I like to think about, especially since the big three are a hell of a lot more competent than Sega at making both hardware and software.
Slapshot82  +   532d ago
If you read the article, this isn't a 'pro-Nintendo going third party' article. Instead, it is a 'what if it went third party?.'

This is article is written in a positive manner towards Nintendo and its Wii U. :)
PopRocks359  +   532d ago
Yeah, I know. Sorry I should have been more clear and acknowledged that. I was just giving my thoughts on the idea and how people here generally say that it should happen.
Slapshot82  +   532d ago
Haha. It's all good.

The idea for this piece stemmed from the recent articles that claim that the Wii U is losing third party support, which if true, could find the console primarily being a first party system only. Thing is, I don't know how sustainable this would be for Nintendo. I'd think it wouldn't be good for them at all, but I also think things will turn around for the Wii U as well.

I think there would be a lot of ups and downs with Nintendo going third party. They could still develop peripherals, but I wonder how much pressure they would get to do things for Sony/Microsoft if they did this?
Deku-Johnny  +   531d ago
Well Nintendo pretty much carried the Wii by themselves and that system won the 7th gen. If need be I'm sure they can carry the Wii U, that being said the Wii U already has some of the best 3rd part support Nintendo have had in a loooooong time, it's not great but it's a start. I mean the only reason the PS3 and 360 has so much 3rd part support is because Sony and MS have built that support with their previous systems whilst Nintendo used their previous consoles to open the gaming industry up to new demographics. I think in a year or two (if PS4 and 720 aren't too much more powerful than the Wii U, which I doubt they will be) perhaps Nintendo will have the 3rd party support they deserve.
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MikeMyers  +   532d ago
"Why else does Mario Galaxy look so much better than much of its third party Wii brethren."

Nintendo has been known in the past for not giving out the tools that their own in-house studios have access to. They are very secretive and work within their own bubble. Even the full Wii U specs. are a mystery.

I honestly don't think Nintendo would ever become a 3rd party developer. They have too much pride and even now they are the most restrictive of allowing their games on any other platform other than Nintendo systems.
MEsoJD  +   531d ago
I think Nintendo makes better software than they do hardware and like the idea of them doing the same as sega.
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stragomccloud  +   531d ago
Nintendo's hardware is what always makes them unique though.

As the only game company that is actually run be people who were or are still currently developers, I trust them more than anyone else to develop a whole experience. Both Microsoft and Sony are both run by a bunch of out of touch non gamer suits. The only difference is, Microsoft and Sony both have such a vast pool of resources compared to Nintendo, that they use their money to through their weight around.
CaptainN  +   531d ago
Nintendo makes the most reliable and sturdy hardware out there period. The Wii and the Wii-U might not have been major powerhouses for graphics.....but they are built very well, consume way less power then competitors,and are much more stable (No Red Rings or Yellow Rings)as well. Look at the size of a Wii-U and look at the size of the original 360 and the PS3. The Wii-U is slightly more powerful than last gen, yet look at how much they have reduced the components in today's time. Even the slim 360/PS3 are no where near its size. Nintendo make take longer...but in the end their hardware is always better.

But if your just a graphics whore, then no, Nintendo would seem outdated and not Hi-Tech. But things they do, like how the latency to the Gamepad is almost non existent is amazing tech. The Gamepad actually gets the picture faster than the television.
WiiUsauce  +   531d ago
Come on, man. Sega was so awesome and they still put out great content. The Dreamcast did not fail gamers. Gamers failed the Dreamcast.
PopRocks359  +   531d ago
Look at this past generation and, other than Sonic All-Stars Racing and Sonic Unleashed, tell me what "great content" Sega has produced. Unless you seriously count Sonic '06, Sonic Unleashed and the Golden Axe reboot to be quality software.
stragomccloud  +   531d ago
I think it's ironic how people want Nintendo to go 3rd party to play there games and are just so against buying a Nintendo system to play the games.
single-handedly ended the video game market crash in the mid 1980s and has been going strong ever since. That and Nintendo has been an entertainment company since the 19th century. They've been around a while, and they are going to be around for a while more.

If you want to play Nintendo's awesome franchises, you have to buy the systems to play them on. It's that simple. I didn't buy an Xbox and then express the desire for Uncharted to come to it. No. I bought a PS3 for that. It's really insulting how much people who think they are gamers hate on Nintendo the way they do. I pity them, because that reluctance to really give Nintendo hardware a go, is depriving them of some of the most amazing experiences that graced systems last gen and will grace systems this gen.

That is not to say it was the best and will be the best. That is only to say that a lot of so called "gamers" are voluntarily ignore a huge library of games they might really enjoy just because of the recent and disturbing utter dismissiveness towards especially Nintendo's console hardware.

Anyway, interesting read, that article.

So, can we please get back to playing some games now?
NobodyImportant  +   531d ago
"I didn't buy an Xbox and then express the desire for Uncharted to come to it. No. I bought a PS3 for that. It's really insulting how much people who think they are gamers hate on Nintendo the way they do. I pity them, because that reluctance to really give Nintendo hardware a go"

Why do you need to give Nintendo hardware a go?
Nintendo hardware is f**king sh*t.
When I was a boy it was fantastic!! NES, SNES, N64, even the Gamecube. All that went downhill with the Wii.
Fine, it came with a waggle controller that some loved. And obviously that made it super popular. It didn't work for me.

I liked the games, just not the console. That is why people want Nintendo to go 3rd party. They want Nintendo quality games on a decent console.
Your argument is not valid for Uncharted because both the 360 and PS3 are fairly comparable. There's no need for Uncharted to be recreated on the 360 because the PS3 is a decent machine.
There's no need for Gears to be recreated on the PS3 because the 360 is a decent machine.

It would be better for Mario Galaxy to be on either the 360 or PS3 because the game would be sooooo much better on decent (at the time) hardware.

We're going to find out soon how awesome Mario would've been on PS3 or 360, because now that Nintendo have caught up to the PS3 and 360 with the Wii U we'll see what Mario Galaxy and Zelda should've looked like last gen if Nintendo had kept up with CPUs and GPU hardware.

EDIT: I love Nintendo games BTW. But I've really disliked their hardware from the Wii onwards.
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stragomccloud  +   531d ago
@nobody important.
As a PC gamer first, I think it's ironic when console gamers talk about hardware. The Wii, the 360, and the PS3 were all out of date when they launched, and same is actually true of the Wii U, and will be of the 720/PS4.

That said, if you really didn't pick up a Wii, I highly suggest picking up a Wii U and getting all the old Wii games.

You might scoff at the low resolution, but there were some very impressive games, and the fact of the matter is, if it weren't for the Wii, a number of developers might have ceased to exist. The fact that Wii development cost 20% the cost of an HD game at the time, meant that Suda 51's Grasshopper manufacturer, the the Fatal Frame franchise, and Platinum games(formerly Clover Studios), and even the "Tales of" developers may have all disappeared. At a time when studios were closing left and right because of high developments costs(more than 100 studios closed last gen), Nintendo's console offered a cheaper alternative. Do I wish they went with a little more beef? Yes. However, I think in retrospect I'm glad they went with what they did. Afterall, Platinum games, Grasshopper Manufacturer, and the Tales of developers are here to stay, and are stronger than ever.

The Wii was a decent console, it just wasn't a jaw droppingly good one. That said, you should really get into that back log, everyone knows about the big first party titles, but if you're looking for 3rd party suggestions or other pm and I can give you some recommendations.
NobodyImportant  +   531d ago
I don't totally agree about the PS3 and 360 being dated at the start of the gen.
They weren't up there with PC max setting graphics, but they were still pretty good.
Obviously PC is now waaaaaaay ahead.
I got the Wii on launch day (like I have with every Nintendo) and I was GUTTED when I played Wii Sports for the first time.

I played and beat Mario Galaxy though. With all stars.
It was great.
Twilight Princess, was alright.
Metroid 3 was pretty good, but only for the control method, the game was just Metroid Prime again and by that point the graphics were really letting the system down.
Graphics need to move on ... at least a little bit.
Mario 64 looked amazing at the time and I 130 starred it twice all the way through. The beautiful graphics kept enticing me back. But graphics have moved on. Mario 64 hasn't changed and I'm sure the game is still just as good, but I've moved on. The game doesn't look as pretty as it used to. I'd struggle to play through a rough pixilated game with zero textures now. Games get dated. And the Wii launched dated.
That's fine for Joe public. They have their waggle controllers. Live and let live.

But for me that was the issue with the Wii. I was playing Metroid with its blocky low res graphics at the same time as jealously looking at my friends who were playing Oblivion, uncharted or Call of Duty 4.

I've no doubt there are plenty of reasonable 3rd party games on the Wii, but there are just as many if not better 3rd party games on the PS3 - plus we get all the multplats.

My time is precious. I don't have time to play every blocky low res Wii game. Even if some of them are good.
PS3 has just as many good games ... and they look good. (Or used to, they are dating quickly!)

Having said that, the PS3 and 360 are getting reeeeeally long in the tooth now and I need the next Sony and Xbox to come out. The PS3 and 360 are starting to look so dated to me and I'm wondering whether to get a gaming rig instead of a next gen console.
But it's the exclusives I'm waiting for.

The only Wii game that I semi-regret missing is Skyward Sword, but that's the way it goes.
It's a shame, but there are more good games out there than I'll ever have time to play.

Play good looking good games
Or play poor looking good games.

I'll take good looking good games.
WiiUsauce  +   531d ago
Are you kidding me? You're saying there haven't been great Sega games in this ending console generation? Sega has put out some amazing stuff and if we're counting published games too, Sega has brought us even more awesome games this ending gen that otherwise would have probably never seen the light of day.

Yakuza 4
House of the Dead: Overkill
Bayonetta
Vanquish
Binary Domain
Valkyria Chronicles
Sonic and Sega Allstars Racing & Allstars Racing Transformed
Alpha Protocol
Sonic Colors & Sonic Generations
Yakuza Dead Souls
Hatsune Miku
Madworld
Resonance of Fate
Knights Journey of Dreams
Yakuza 3
Condemned Criminal Origins
Condemned 2 Bloodshot
Virtua Fighter 5
The Conduit

now imagine all those games as console exclusives on something like a Dreamcast 2, and if they were as successful as they used to be in the 90's, I'm sure they would've had the resources to put out even more great stuff.

PS. Sega also put out a ton of awesome stuff on DS and PSP and they continue to also support handhelds with games like Rhythm Thief on 3DS and Phantasy Star Online 2 on Vita.
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TongkatAli  +   531d ago
I wouldn't bother responding to him. He doesn't make sense to me 80% of the time. I'm not even trying to be mean, he says #### with no research.
PopRocks359  +   531d ago
@TongkatAli

This coming from the joker who insinuated I was just a dumb fanboy just for stating why I was waiting to get a Playstation Vita.

Take your vendetta elsewhere, kid.
Starfox17  +   531d ago
No mate every developer will admit that Nintendo can make flawless games,something that's not easy in game development.
chukamachine  +   531d ago
Not sure i'd agree tbh.

Wii hardware is nothing special, and although galaxy and such are decent looking games for cartoons.

I do know one thing, Mario and co on sony/ms hardware would reach a big audience.

But I don't really think Nintendo are that concerned atm.

But they always have an option to go the software route, though I doubt they ever will.
1upgamer99  +   532d ago
The reason this will not happen is because Nintendo owns the handeld market. If you look at game sales DS/3DS GENERALLY rule the market. I do not nor have I in 15 years even owned a handheld. I have been thinking about a 3DS though. Perhaps a Vita, IF there were any killer games. Apps do not impress me my phone does all that.
Slapshot82  +   532d ago
Hi 1upgamer99,

Choosing between a 3DS and Vita can be a tough decision, as both of the handhelds have great software. If your big on the Nintendo's first party titles, definitely go with the 3DS XL (the original 3DS screen is just too small). The 3DS eShop hold quite a few fantastic titles as well: Pushmo, Mighty Switch Force and VVVVV to name just a very few.

Vita on the other hand offers a few great home console-like gameplay experiences on a handheld, but the PSN Store for Vita is filling with awesome indie titles like Dokuro, Retro City Rampage, Tales from Space: Mutant Blobs Attack, etc. But, the PSP titles play so much better on Vita with the customisable controls and I spend just as much time playing them, as I do Vita titles.

It's hard to choose one or the other, but I'd recommend both systems to anyone highly. They're both great and they both have great software.
EliteGameKnight  +   532d ago
It's great to have a non-biased user on here. I'm sure there are others, they are probably just not as liberal or on different threads.

Thank You
CouldHaveYelledUiiW  +   532d ago
"In our intriguing recent interview with Wedbush Securities analyst, Michael Pachter, one of his statements really stands out in my mind when thinking on this topic: 'I expect to see fewer exclusives next generation.'"

I am so glad that someone mentioned that Article, it's not the only time I have heard that. Ubisoft said the same thing and Nintendo has been warning about this for some time.
LKHGFDSA  +   532d ago
we'd have more nintendo games and they'd have better graphics.
Deku-Johnny  +   531d ago
Better graphics than those on the Wii U? As in the same Wii U that can do things PS3 and 360 can only dream of doing?
_LarZen_  +   532d ago
We can only wish....
fluffydelusions  +   532d ago
You know what. I'm not for or against the idea but it would be so weird to not have a Nintendo console as I've grown up on Nintendo since the 80's
Qrphe  +   532d ago
It doesn't matter to me. I'm sure most of us who play Nintendo games would play them regardless of platform (the same goes for Sony).
Tewi-Inaba  +   532d ago
They won't Iwata himself said the day Nintendo steps down from making consoles is the day Nintendo dies.
MattS  +   532d ago
That statement - which has been repeated many times in recent years without context - is hyperbolic.

If Iwata really would ruin thousands of lives (employees of Nintendo and shareholders) across the world, rather than change Nintendo's business direction should the market necessitate it, then Iwata is a very, very bad man.

It's also worth noting that Nintendo's board and shareholders would sack Iwata and put a more openminded president in who WOULD drop the hardware division well before the company died, if it was required.

But no, I doubt that. Iwata was merely making an exaggeration that, at the time, was designed to emphasise the commitment Nintendo had to its hardware.
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ElectricKaibutsu  +   531d ago
True. If the choice was firing everyone or releasing an iOS game, as much as it hurts me, they would (and should) choose iOS.
clintagious650  +   532d ago
It would suck because its always better to have competition but if nintendo or sony did ever do this, I think they would still do a great job. Both companies deliver great exclusive games & like it the way it is now. Competition is good, keep it coming.
MattS  +   532d ago
In a hypothetical, if one of the big three were to drop out of the hardware race, a new entrant would almost certainly emerge.

It's been proven that the market can handle three big consoles, and there are no indications that the situation could change. Samsung or Apple would both, no doubt, love to make a proper hardware play.
clintagious650  +   532d ago
If any of those companies were to jump in, I would think it would be apple but i agree wit u.
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Deku-Johnny  +   531d ago
Nintendo have stated numerous times that if they leave the hardware side of it then they leave the software side too. But fortunately Nintendo will be here long after Playstation and Xbox have died out.
MEsoJD  +   531d ago
Lol I have no idea what makes you say that.
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TenkoTAiLS  +   531d ago
Probably the fact that has been proven and reported on time and again each financial year that Nintendo has more money in the bank, and in investments, properties and equipment than both Sony's game division and Microsoft's game division.

That they could take a $257 million loss until 2052 last fiscal count and still be in the black. The fact they also have a lot of valuable intellectual property that if they got anywhere near trouble they could sell off to provide some rescue as well as previously mentioned properties etc.

Not defending them or some of their recent decisions, but it's just fact. Put all three game divisions side by side and run the financial numbers and Sony and Microsoft's would run out of dosh long before Nintendo.

Which is why all the doom articles that come up every year/month/week are currently so laughable.
Ck1x  +   531d ago
Maybe because Nintendo isn't the one closing studios left & right or selling buildings to make some money...
KillerPwned  +   531d ago
This would never happen.
hano  +   531d ago
It would be a shame.

Nintendo takes risks in their hardware design and they advanced the hardware more than any company I can think of.

If they turned 3rd party we'd lose that aspect. I like Nintendo as it is.
shackdaddy  +   531d ago
Would never happen, but if it did, then they'd probably lose a lot of quality and magic just like what happened with SEGA.
sdozzo  +   531d ago
SEGA never had the same type of IPs like Nintendo.
CouldHaveYelledUiiW  +   531d ago
You are right.

Without a Nintendo Console the Wii-Mote would not have been as widely used (even if released as a peripheral for the 360 or PS3).

Motion Controls would not have been implemented into Zelda: SS- and that would constitute a lack of Magic.

Red Steel 2 and the Metroid Prime Trilogy would not be as great as they were...

Nintendo's Hardware inspires them in way that no other console maker can say-
-You know that the WiiU Gamepad's Capabilities are going to lead to some unique gameplay ideas.
sdozzo  +   531d ago
They would excel.
wiiulee  +   531d ago
lol...of course thats what haters and fanboys would like...they are pissed that wii won last generation and all i see are silly articles and lies about wiiu....but too bad nintendo made the only unique system going into next generation and wiiu is already at 4 million now bring on the games
WeAreLegion  +   531d ago
I would LOVE for Nintendo to only make games. I hate buying Nintendo consoles just for a couple of games.
a_adji  +   531d ago
Why go third party when your IPs are good enough to sell on your own machine?
Thepcz  +   531d ago
it would snow in hell
...
That-Guy  +   531d ago
Oh oh, all sorts of shit's going to happen when it snows in Hell.
LOL_WUT  +   531d ago
I would gladly welcome them being 3rd party ;)
NirvanaInChains  +   531d ago
How butthurt would microsoft be if activision released a console specifically for call of duty LOL
quantae06  +   531d ago
If you going to ask this question you should ask what if Sony or Microsoft went third party also. Don't single out any one company based on your own preferences.

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