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What if... Nintendo turned third party?

Digitally Downloaded writes:

"Recently, Codemasters’ Senior Executive Producer Clive Moody stated: "I think it [Wii U] is the future,” when talking to ABC’s News 10 about the prospects of the upcoming next generation of consoles. Will the Wii U be the “future” of home console gaming like Moody thinks it to be? What if it isn’t – what happens then? Well, let’s take a look through the looking glass, shall we?"

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PopRocks3591257d ago

A lot of people tell me how "awesome" it would be if Nintendo did go third party. But frankly I think it's more detrimental than people believe.

Nintendo makes games very well. On hardware they understand. Why else does Mario Galaxy look so much better than much of its third party Wii brethren. The same came be said about The Legend of Zelda Wind Waker. Taking away their hardware would hinder that process.

I don't know. It seems ludicrous to me. It's like asking "why doesn't Sony go third party." It's not something I like to think about, especially since the big three are a hell of a lot more competent than Sega at making both hardware and software.

Slapshot821257d ago

If you read the article, this isn't a 'pro-Nintendo going third party' article. Instead, it is a 'what if it went third party?.'

This is article is written in a positive manner towards Nintendo and its Wii U. :)

PopRocks3591257d ago

Yeah, I know. Sorry I should have been more clear and acknowledged that. I was just giving my thoughts on the idea and how people here generally say that it should happen.

Slapshot821257d ago

Haha. It's all good.

The idea for this piece stemmed from the recent articles that claim that the Wii U is losing third party support, which if true, could find the console primarily being a first party system only. Thing is, I don't know how sustainable this would be for Nintendo. I'd think it wouldn't be good for them at all, but I also think things will turn around for the Wii U as well.

I think there would be a lot of ups and downs with Nintendo going third party. They could still develop peripherals, but I wonder how much pressure they would get to do things for Sony/Microsoft if they did this?

Deku-Johnny1257d ago

Well Nintendo pretty much carried the Wii by themselves and that system won the 7th gen. If need be I'm sure they can carry the Wii U, that being said the Wii U already has some of the best 3rd part support Nintendo have had in a loooooong time, it's not great but it's a start. I mean the only reason the PS3 and 360 has so much 3rd part support is because Sony and MS have built that support with their previous systems whilst Nintendo used their previous consoles to open the gaming industry up to new demographics. I think in a year or two (if PS4 and 720 aren't too much more powerful than the Wii U, which I doubt they will be) perhaps Nintendo will have the 3rd party support they deserve.

MikeMyers1257d ago

"Why else does Mario Galaxy look so much better than much of its third party Wii brethren."

Nintendo has been known in the past for not giving out the tools that their own in-house studios have access to. They are very secretive and work within their own bubble. Even the full Wii U specs. are a mystery.

I honestly don't think Nintendo would ever become a 3rd party developer. They have too much pride and even now they are the most restrictive of allowing their games on any other platform other than Nintendo systems.

MEsoJD1257d ago (Edited 1257d ago )

I think Nintendo makes better software than they do hardware and like the idea of them doing the same as sega.

stragomccloud1257d ago

Nintendo's hardware is what always makes them unique though.

As the only game company that is actually run be people who were or are still currently developers, I trust them more than anyone else to develop a whole experience. Both Microsoft and Sony are both run by a bunch of out of touch non gamer suits. The only difference is, Microsoft and Sony both have such a vast pool of resources compared to Nintendo, that they use their money to through their weight around.

CaptainN1256d ago

Nintendo makes the most reliable and sturdy hardware out there period. The Wii and the Wii-U might not have been major powerhouses for graphics.....but they are built very well, consume way less power then competitors,and are much more stable (No Red Rings or Yellow Rings)as well. Look at the size of a Wii-U and look at the size of the original 360 and the PS3. The Wii-U is slightly more powerful than last gen, yet look at how much they have reduced the components in today's time. Even the slim 360/PS3 are no where near its size. Nintendo make take longer...but in the end their hardware is always better.

But if your just a graphics whore, then no, Nintendo would seem outdated and not Hi-Tech. But things they do, like how the latency to the Gamepad is almost non existent is amazing tech. The Gamepad actually gets the picture faster than the television.

WiiUsauce1257d ago

Come on, man. Sega was so awesome and they still put out great content. The Dreamcast did not fail gamers. Gamers failed the Dreamcast.

PopRocks3591257d ago

Look at this past generation and, other than Sonic All-Stars Racing and Sonic Unleashed, tell me what "great content" Sega has produced. Unless you seriously count Sonic '06, Sonic Unleashed and the Golden Axe reboot to be quality software.

stragomccloud1257d ago

I think it's ironic how people want Nintendo to go 3rd party to play there games and are just so against buying a Nintendo system to play the games.
single-handedly ended the video game market crash in the mid 1980s and has been going strong ever since. That and Nintendo has been an entertainment company since the 19th century. They've been around a while, and they are going to be around for a while more.

If you want to play Nintendo's awesome franchises, you have to buy the systems to play them on. It's that simple. I didn't buy an Xbox and then express the desire for Uncharted to come to it. No. I bought a PS3 for that. It's really insulting how much people who think they are gamers hate on Nintendo the way they do. I pity them, because that reluctance to really give Nintendo hardware a go, is depriving them of some of the most amazing experiences that graced systems last gen and will grace systems this gen.

That is not to say it was the best and will be the best. That is only to say that a lot of so called "gamers" are voluntarily ignore a huge library of games they might really enjoy just because of the recent and disturbing utter dismissiveness towards especially Nintendo's console hardware.

Anyway, interesting read, that article.

So, can we please get back to playing some games now?

NobodyImportant1257d ago (Edited 1257d ago )

"I didn't buy an Xbox and then express the desire for Uncharted to come to it. No. I bought a PS3 for that. It's really insulting how much people who think they are gamers hate on Nintendo the way they do. I pity them, because that reluctance to really give Nintendo hardware a go"

Why do you need to give Nintendo hardware a go?
Nintendo hardware is f**king sh*t.
When I was a boy it was fantastic!! NES, SNES, N64, even the Gamecube. All that went downhill with the Wii.
Fine, it came with a waggle controller that some loved. And obviously that made it super popular. It didn't work for me.

I liked the games, just not the console. That is why people want Nintendo to go 3rd party. They want Nintendo quality games on a decent console.
Your argument is not valid for Uncharted because both the 360 and PS3 are fairly comparable. There's no need for Uncharted to be recreated on the 360 because the PS3 is a decent machine.
There's no need for Gears to be recreated on the PS3 because the 360 is a decent machine.

It would be better for Mario Galaxy to be on either the 360 or PS3 because the game would be sooooo much better on decent (at the time) hardware.

We're going to find out soon how awesome Mario would've been on PS3 or 360, because now that Nintendo have caught up to the PS3 and 360 with the Wii U we'll see what Mario Galaxy and Zelda should've looked like last gen if Nintendo had kept up with CPUs and GPU hardware.

EDIT: I love Nintendo games BTW. But I've really disliked their hardware from the Wii onwards.

stragomccloud1256d ago

@nobody important.
As a PC gamer first, I think it's ironic when console gamers talk about hardware. The Wii, the 360, and the PS3 were all out of date when they launched, and same is actually true of the Wii U, and will be of the 720/PS4.

That said, if you really didn't pick up a Wii, I highly suggest picking up a Wii U and getting all the old Wii games.

You might scoff at the low resolution, but there were some very impressive games, and the fact of the matter is, if it weren't for the Wii, a number of developers might have ceased to exist. The fact that Wii development cost 20% the cost of an HD game at the time, meant that Suda 51's Grasshopper manufacturer, the the Fatal Frame franchise, and Platinum games(formerly Clover Studios), and even the "Tales of" developers may have all disappeared. At a time when studios were closing left and right because of high developments costs(more than 100 studios closed last gen), Nintendo's console offered a cheaper alternative. Do I wish they went with a little more beef? Yes. However, I think in retrospect I'm glad they went with what they did. Afterall, Platinum games, Grasshopper Manufacturer, and the Tales of developers are here to stay, and are stronger than ever.

The Wii was a decent console, it just wasn't a jaw droppingly good one. That said, you should really get into that back log, everyone knows about the big first party titles, but if you're looking for 3rd party suggestions or other pm and I can give you some recommendations.

NobodyImportant1256d ago

I don't totally agree about the PS3 and 360 being dated at the start of the gen.
They weren't up there with PC max setting graphics, but they were still pretty good.
Obviously PC is now waaaaaaay ahead.
I got the Wii on launch day (like I have with every Nintendo) and I was GUTTED when I played Wii Sports for the first time.

I played and beat Mario Galaxy though. With all stars.
It was great.
Twilight Princess, was alright.
Metroid 3 was pretty good, but only for the control method, the game was just Metroid Prime again and by that point the graphics were really letting the system down.
Graphics need to move on ... at least a little bit.
Mario 64 looked amazing at the time and I 130 starred it twice all the way through. The beautiful graphics kept enticing me back. But graphics have moved on. Mario 64 hasn't changed and I'm sure the game is still just as good, but I've moved on. The game doesn't look as pretty as it used to. I'd struggle to play through a rough pixilated game with zero textures now. Games get dated. And the Wii launched dated.
That's fine for Joe public. They have their waggle controllers. Live and let live.

But for me that was the issue with the Wii. I was playing Metroid with its blocky low res graphics at the same time as jealously looking at my friends who were playing Oblivion, uncharted or Call of Duty 4.

I've no doubt there are plenty of reasonable 3rd party games on the Wii, but there are just as many if not better 3rd party games on the PS3 - plus we get all the multplats.

My time is precious. I don't have time to play every blocky low res Wii game. Even if some of them are good.
PS3 has just as many good games ... and they look good. (Or used to, they are dating quickly!)

Having said that, the PS3 and 360 are getting reeeeeally long in the tooth now and I need the next Sony and Xbox to come out. The PS3 and 360 are starting to look so dated to me and I'm wondering whether to get a gaming rig instead of a next gen console.
But it's the exclusives I'm waiting for.

The only Wii game that I semi-regret missing is Skyward Sword, but that's the way it goes.
It's a shame, but there are more good games out there than I'll ever have time to play.

Play good looking good games
Or play poor looking good games.

I'll take good looking good games.

WiiUsauce1257d ago (Edited 1257d ago )

Are you kidding me? You're saying there haven't been great Sega games in this ending console generation? Sega has put out some amazing stuff and if we're counting published games too, Sega has brought us even more awesome games this ending gen that otherwise would have probably never seen the light of day.

Yakuza 4
House of the Dead: Overkill
Bayonetta
Vanquish
Binary Domain
Valkyria Chronicles
Sonic and Sega Allstars Racing & Allstars Racing Transformed
Alpha Protocol
Sonic Colors & Sonic Generations
Yakuza Dead Souls
Hatsune Miku
Madworld
Resonance of Fate
Knights Journey of Dreams
Yakuza 3
Condemned Criminal Origins
Condemned 2 Bloodshot
Virtua Fighter 5
The Conduit

now imagine all those games as console exclusives on something like a Dreamcast 2, and if they were as successful as they used to be in the 90's, I'm sure they would've had the resources to put out even more great stuff.

PS. Sega also put out a ton of awesome stuff on DS and PSP and they continue to also support handhelds with games like Rhythm Thief on 3DS and Phantasy Star Online 2 on Vita.

TongkatAli1257d ago

I wouldn't bother responding to him. He doesn't make sense to me 80% of the time. I'm not even trying to be mean, he says #### with no research.

PopRocks3591256d ago

@TongkatAli

This coming from the joker who insinuated I was just a dumb fanboy just for stating why I was waiting to get a Playstation Vita.

Take your vendetta elsewhere, kid.

Starfox171257d ago

No mate every developer will admit that Nintendo can make flawless games,something that's not easy in game development.

chukamachine1257d ago

Not sure i'd agree tbh.

Wii hardware is nothing special, and although galaxy and such are decent looking games for cartoons.

I do know one thing, Mario and co on sony/ms hardware would reach a big audience.

But I don't really think Nintendo are that concerned atm.

But they always have an option to go the software route, though I doubt they ever will.

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1upgamer991257d ago

The reason this will not happen is because Nintendo owns the handeld market. If you look at game sales DS/3DS GENERALLY rule the market. I do not nor have I in 15 years even owned a handheld. I have been thinking about a 3DS though. Perhaps a Vita, IF there were any killer games. Apps do not impress me my phone does all that.

Slapshot821257d ago

Hi 1upgamer99,

Choosing between a 3DS and Vita can be a tough decision, as both of the handhelds have great software. If your big on the Nintendo's first party titles, definitely go with the 3DS XL (the original 3DS screen is just too small). The 3DS eShop hold quite a few fantastic titles as well: Pushmo, Mighty Switch Force and VVVVV to name just a very few.

Vita on the other hand offers a few great home console-like gameplay experiences on a handheld, but the PSN Store for Vita is filling with awesome indie titles like Dokuro, Retro City Rampage, Tales from Space: Mutant Blobs Attack, etc. But, the PSP titles play so much better on Vita with the customisable controls and I spend just as much time playing them, as I do Vita titles.

It's hard to choose one or the other, but I'd recommend both systems to anyone highly. They're both great and they both have great software.

EliteGameKnight1257d ago

It's great to have a non-biased user on here. I'm sure there are others, they are probably just not as liberal or on different threads.

Thank You

CouldHaveYelledUiiW1257d ago

"In our intriguing recent interview with Wedbush Securities analyst, Michael Pachter, one of his statements really stands out in my mind when thinking on this topic: 'I expect to see fewer exclusives next generation.'"

I am so glad that someone mentioned that Article, it's not the only time I have heard that. Ubisoft said the same thing and Nintendo has been warning about this for some time.

LKHGFDSA1257d ago

we'd have more nintendo games and they'd have better graphics.

Deku-Johnny1257d ago

Better graphics than those on the Wii U? As in the same Wii U that can do things PS3 and 360 can only dream of doing?

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