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Microsoft Wagering Too Much On Kinect With The Next Xbox?

Houston (TheNextXbox) – The next-generation Xbox is getting closer and closer to an official unveiling, and we are starting to learn a lot more about what to expect from the new technology. The next Xbox, according to all of our sources, is going to ship with the new and improved Kinect. This begs the question though, is Microsoft wagering too much of its future on this piece of hardware?

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Bagogames1235d ago

Wonder will there be much of a difference in the models?

pangitkqb1234d ago (Edited 1234d ago )

If the rumors that the Next Xbox can't run games without a Kinect "connection" are true than the answer is an obvious "yes."

Millions of Xbox gamers - like me - didn't buy Kinect for a reason. I have zero interest in Kinect or any kind of motion control. (Nothing against those who enjoy those options, just not my cup-o'-tea.)

Requiring Kinect to play when I don't have any interest in the device is killer for me, especially in light that the console would obviously be cheaper if the peripheral wasn't included with every SKU and required for playing every game.

BanBrother1234d ago

Pang

You got it right. Even if they do offer a bundle without Kinect, the fact is that ALL consoles have been built around the Kinect 2.0, so the price you are paying has been driven up by Kinect 2.0. I highly doubt that Kinect would be its own stand alone device, as that would be severely limiting its power, making it not much of an improvement over the original Kinect.

I don't even know if I care anymore. All these rumours have ruined it for me and I probably won't even get the next Xbox. The Xbox 360 I got in 2008 was my first Xbox console. Happy the first couple of years but then everything is Kinect this, Kinect that.

EVILDEAD3601234d ago

I love that its included. No more buying seperate peripherals.

It's obviously going to better than the original, but the interesting part is that Sony is packing in the new verion of eye and Move with every PS4 as well.

Evil

IWentBrokeForGaming1234d ago

This Kinect-less 720 console, yet needing a Kinect to even really be playable... is just like the ignorant maneuver MS pulled with the 4gig Slim 360!

dcbronco1234d ago

Actually it's more like the arrogant move Sony pulled with Blu-ray. People paid $600 for a console that could have been $400.

The reality is the next Xbox was going to be $400 no matter what. So Microsoft is only cutting into their profits. Contrary to what people believe, these machine will not cost as much to make as people think. A lot has changed since 2005. CPUs are cheaper to make and so are GPUs. Plus they will most likely be on the same die which cuts cost almost in half.

The perception of the cost of these consoles will be like the perception of the cost of Kinect before launch. People thought it was going to be over $200. Turns out the parts cost $56. APUs and really small die sizes will make these consoles sell at a profit at launch.

As for Kinect, people need to let go of the idea that it is only for casual games. The rumors of 3gbs of RAM being for Kinect and the OS sounds like a lot more than casual games. And considering their complaints about USB in the 360 Microsoft always wanted more from Kinect. Kinect will be used a lot more for hardcore games.

NukaCola1234d ago

Kinect 2.0 with the next Xbox is a good choice as it will be easier for integration as a part of the core package,. However if Kinect is their focus then problems will be there. Kinect is an add-on if everyone else isn't on board. That means that every multiplat game could be hindered by the forced need of Kinect. It hurts the developers, the gamers of other systems and the Xbox gamers if MS mandates Kinect be the center of development. MS has a lot of rules about their product that has cuased a lot of issues with devs in the past. Kinect off the bat for the nextgen Xbox is fine, but MS should do it up right this time so it's successful without being damaging.

dcbronco1234d ago

The idea that every game will have to use Kinect is being overblown and misinterpreted. I would bet it needs to be part of the system, but not necessarily part of the game. Kinect is just another interface method. More in line, most likely with the future of controls. The future of controllers will probably be more of a hand attachment than a gamepad. And motion controls will be a huge part of that. People need to get over that and start to let go of the past.

The future of controls will be gesture and mind. Even feedback may be based on mental input instead of force-feedback in the future. VR with signals sent directly to brain instead of a controller and a bunch of buttons. The Wii-mote was just a start. Get your heads out of your past.

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SilentNegotiator1234d ago

Now wait a minute...We don't even know if they're wagering ANYTHING on Kinect next-gen!

Just_The_Truth1232d ago

They invested too much into the kinect to quit now but they need to let it die. It's a great idea just like the PSEYE but cameras don't work in gaming, both companies proved that. I'd say the same about the move but it actually is fairly accurate and is a controller w/buttons like the wii. Plus Sony said from the beginning it wasn't going to force it on devs and I think that was for the best. Simply, motion controls including the wii were fun while it lasted but we need to get back to focusing on making greAAAt games.

DaThreats1234d ago

Yes and they are doing it now.

LOGICWINS1234d ago

They don't have a choice considering how much they spent to develop/market it.

greenpowerz1234d ago (Edited 1234d ago )

It's almost like the other side or hit seekers expected MSFT to stop supporting Kinect because they had trashed kinect on forums for years(despite the 30 million owners)

It will be hated until haters have something simular to even up the odds of marketshare/popularity/braggin g rights/cool futuristic tech to play with.

-It comes with the console(so what(better to have it for a number of reason vs buying it later giving added value)

-It's always on(so what(owners can probably have full control of the console no matter if in Non Kinect games, standard games, apps, Kinect games all media features and smartglass/standby/smart glass 720 standby

-Kinect 2 coming with every xbox doesn't mean all games will be full Kinect games or that all games have Kinect ingame functionality(Just console OS control)

-Kinect 2 coming with the 720 and always being on doesn't mean Kinect will be spying on you(you can turn off the camera and set privacy setting to not share video with others online like Kinect 1)

-Kinect 2 having to be on all the time and coming with every 720 doesn't mean MSFT is just trying to force the adoption on you( Kinect 2 might have hardware built into it like processors that the 720 can use/pull power/resouces from when not using other functions and doesn't make sense for MSFT to add boosted power/capability to only kinect owners(leared from spliting capability with the 360 hdd etc)

-Kinect 2 could possibly be part of the 720's main hardware specs/brain and is the reason it comes with every console and ist always needs to be on

-Attacking Kinect and writting articles about it is not going to give Sony the win Next generation nor is pretending there is some huge anti Kinect xbox fan movement against KInect when 90% of the negative talk comes from Sony supporters. The xbox fans that do not suuport Kinect simply don't buy it or use it. No xbox fan wastes time complaining about a peripheral/setting/feature/gam e they don't use/play LMAO

Stop with the hit seeking articles(authors & contributors) trying to fire up anti MSFT fanboys. sheeesh

The_Infected1234d ago

I guess your a big supporter of Kinect. If it wasn't for MS spending money to make and ship Kinect 2 as a standard imagine where they could've put that money.

Lvl_up_gamer1234d ago

What do you mean where they could have put that money? MS is not Sony. MS has more then enough cash to support kinect as well as make new ip's. what you don't understand is that MS have a business plan and that is to make money and not spend 10's of millions on new it's that don't sell.

They have their core titles that they know sell well. Maybe next gen we will see more core titles maybe we won't. I have no problem playing halo, gears, forza and fable next gen and the hundreds of amazing multiplats.

Sony released a lot of new ip's in the last 3 years and most were disappointments sales wise. Why waste money on developing exclusives that don't sell? Just so that the small n4g community is happy? N4G doesn't equal the mass majority of gamers out there.

MS have a business plan and when you compare their earnings to Sony's you can see that their plan is clearly more profitable and caters to what the masses are willing to spend their money on.

So it has nothing to do about MS spending their money on other things instead of kinect, they have more then enough to support kinect as well as spend money on many other things, it's just not apart of their business plan...or maybe it is, we will have to see next gen.

zebramocha1234d ago (Edited 1234d ago )

@lvl that would be true but they haven't produced a new core ip other Alan wake and rare,that company that made killer instinct,wanted to make new ips and games that the xbox crowed wanted but Ms said no and make kinect games.

Cueil1234d ago

Rare is like Devin Hester... you throw them a bone every now and then and they get a hit early (Viva Pinata), but then they keep dropping the ball on other things, but they were instrumental in many of the UI changes in the Xbox 360 (still the greatest return man ever) but you start losing trust in someone or a company that keeps screwing up their big releases... so you don't give them much and when you do throw them the ball in the inzone they drop it in a crucial possession that would have won a game and put your team in the playoffs... just saying... it's nice that Rare was making new IPs, but it's likely they didn't pass muster and got canned for that reason.

GribbleGrunger1234d ago (Edited 1234d ago )

I don't think you realise what the consequences are of supporting such a device so heavily. Business will go to the biggest market, so the more people support Kinect, the more MS will budget for Kinect games. If 360 owners are happy to become the next Wii kids then fair enough, but a lot of my 360 friends are really pizzed off that some 360 owners don't understand that they're destroying the very reason they bought a 360 in the first place. If it does happen and 80% of the content MS put out is Kinect related, then remember it was you who created that market.

HeavenlySnipes1234d ago

Your first point is terrible. "Having to buy it later on"

I never wanted one in the first place. Shipping one with the console is basically forcing me to buy this shit and drives up the cost

CC-Tron1234d ago

Microsoft isn't forcing you to do anything. If you don't like it buy a PS4. Problem solved. Choices my man. Choices.

insomnium21234d ago

"because they had trashed kinect on forums for years(despite the 30 million owners) "

OK I stopped reading right there. What in the hell does sales have to do with trashing Kinect on a forum? You see people on a forum talking about videogames tend to be a bit more on the hc-side of things most of the time. HC-gamers on a gaming forum are bound to trash a BS peripheral like Kinect since it offers nothing for them and it even took away resources from hc-games.

It's like they have 2 owwies and they aren't allowed to trash Kinect cause of it's sales to the friggen casual crowd. What the hell kind of twisted logic is that?

mr_kubrick1234d ago

Reading something you wrote 4d ago:

"31 yo here too and PS3 is, was and always will be the best current gen console. So much bang for the buck it's oytrageous to even think otherwise."

31yo and a few hundred bucks do hurt you? OMG, what have u done with your life. Get a real job, guy. On the other hand, who cares what a sony boy thinks in a xbox only thread....

even if MS will give the next xbox completely for FREE you sony guys here on N4G will hate. its your nature.

Lvl_up_gamer1234d ago

"HC-gamers on a gaming forum are bound to trash a BS peripheral like Kinect since it offers nothing for them and it even took away resources from hc-games."

Can you explain exactly HOW Kinect took ANYTHING away from the Hardcore gamers?

How can you prove that MS had a fixed budget and decided to put it towards a Kinect title rather then putting it towards something else?

Please explain.

SilentNegotiator1234d ago (Edited 1234d ago )

Except Kinect has seen an exponential fall in software sales.

WELL WELL WELL! Look who uses Microsoft's NASDAQ tag (MSFT) to abbreviate! Someone still hopes for a repeat on '99, it seems. Sorry, buddy, MS's stock hasn't seen real growth in over a decade. Try playing games instead of buying shares of which you apparently buy stinkers.

BlueTemplar1234d ago (Edited 1234d ago )

@Greenpowerz

People dont hate kinect for the sake of it - instead of falling back on the standard defence of "Oh it sold x amount so it must be great", how about you actually list some quality games that justify its inclusion in the next xbox.

I personally cant think of a single one I'd like to play - I know several people who've had one since launch and they currently have them sat gathering dust alongside their wiis.

Go on, I challenge you - name 3 really good kinect games (and better-with-kinect voice commands crowbarred into games doesnt count)

EDIT: It's been out what 2 years or so now, so naming 3 should be REAL easy.

BlueTemplar1234d ago

LOL - 2 disagrees but still no games mentioned.

Says it all!

dcbronco1234d ago (Edited 1234d ago )

Green you definitely bring up a good point on the sharing of specs. I've seen rumors that Kinect will have it's own CPU this time. I wonder if it will be just one more resource for the system to use.

I think MS will still include an APU for BC. Probably just a chip just like the one in the current 360. But instead of it being just for BC, it will also be for anything else that the developer wants to use it for. Same for the Kinect CPU. MS has been doing a lot of work on making one language work on many different architectures. That would lend a the 720 a lot more power than the basic specs might indicate. That and whatever specialized modifications MS adds. That main APU may be sending assignments all over the console to three different CPUs and two different GPUs.

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StrongMan1234d ago

Yes. This is why most hardcore gamers will not buy the next Xbox. Xbox fans are outraged at MS abandoning them. Check the Xbox forums and Major Nelson's Blogger if you don't believe me.

greenpowerz1234d ago (Edited 1234d ago )

Like the outrage from "xbox" fans in Xbox articles on N4G and other Xbox zones ;)

We know where most of the outrage comes from no matter the location esecially in xbox only zones judging by N4G. I can count on one hand how many times I've read or been in *PS3 only articles* with *no mention of xbox or related news* in the last 6 months

EDIT

OUCH! a disagree yet most the people in here are known Sony supporters LMAO

Bathyj1234d ago

You know its too easy for you to just dismiss opinions believing everyone not happy with MS's direction is a Sony fanboy, but many here are just gamers, and want a games console manufacturer to focus on us, not our mothers.

You dont even question this stuff, you just slurp it down like they cant do anything to turn you away. You basically act like no matter what they do, you'll love it.

Not everyone thinks 4 main IP's repeated, are enough. We like new stuff too. New stuff targeted at gamers.

I was quite happy to give Kinect a chance and was excited by the concept but name one single game that makes you say, man I have to go get one of those. Name one game that a hardcore player would say, Ive been wrong about this the whole time. Hell, just name one good game. You cant, there are none.

So go ahead, brush my opinion aside cos I'm known to prefer Playstation, but I supported MS heavily as the new player last gen, and bought alot of games on 360 for the first half of this gen even though Ive had as many RRoD's as you have fingers on one hand, but MS just isnt interest in my business anymore.

I didnt turn my back on them, they turned their back on me.

I'm quite willing to be won back, I'd love it if I had 2 consoles again that were interesting to me, but their pattern of behavior makes this very unlikely.

kenshiro1001234d ago

The fact that you're so insecure about the opinions of others says a lot about you. Obviously someone just can't say anything bad about Kinect before they're accused on being a fanboy.

mr_kubrick1234d ago

@shadowgeist (german huh?)

So he is insecure if he says the truth.
FACT is, this place is completely out of logice because there are millions of Sony-Fanboys. EVERY Xbox-related threads is destroyed.

Just take a look at the Agree/Disagree-Ratio. Everywhere ppl say something good about the Xbox they get way more disagrees.

Its just sad.

BlueTemplar1234d ago

@Bathyj you took the words right out of my mouth!

Your experience is pretty much the exact same as mine - I started this generation as massive xbox fan, but after 5 RRODs and an increasingly stale collection of exclusives I reluctantly ended up buying a PS3.

Since then I honestly dont think ive missed out on anything, and have got to experience some of the best games of this generation - demons souls, and the uncharted series being the most notable examples.

kenshiro1001234d ago (Edited 1234d ago )

And anyone who says something remotely negative about the 360 gets attacked in the same manner.

Your point?

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Npugz71234d ago

I'm a xbox guy but because microsoft has been pushing kinect so much on everything Im' going with the PS4 NextGen. Seems like microsoft is pushing us Hardcore Xbox gamers into the background more and more!!

ThanatosDMC1234d ago

Same thing with my best friend and he's a die hard 360 fanboy. He hates the direction MS went from hardcore to casual. But he still refuses to buy a PS3.

DARK WITNESS1234d ago

you are not alone. I have been feeling the same way the past year or two.

I am now at the point I am seriously considering ps4 or the xbox. I really want to just see what sony have done with the new ps4 controller is like. That will be one of the biggest factors that help me make up my mind. everything else is already starting to stack up in sony's favour this time round.

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