Playeressence's Furious Francis discusses his general confusion of what to expect graphically from the Xbox 720 and PS4.
You will see Feb 20th and all this next gen want be as big of a leap as last gen crap will end.
I don't care much about graphics, I'm excited about games being bigger in scope.
yeah me too current grafics looks fine too me
Thats the thing we have been lacking. Graphics aren't the main thing. You want graphics? Get a PC! The thing about these new consoles is finally open world games are gonna be more in depth and amazing than ever. More real Sheer vastness in size Realistic pedestrian AI We will no longer have to put up with small islands and loading times every time you enter a room. Although some devs will have to because of game types obviously. Consoles have also held PC back in this department but look at MMOS for a perfect example of what you can do. Look at the size of a world in say WoW or Guild Wars2. The reason they never made it to PS3 or 360 is the 512mb RAM for a start. We are finally going to see more realistic worlds not in terms of graphics but size and realism.
If they're going to charge me more for a new console then the graphics better be a lot better. Otherwise there is no point in upgrading.
You guys always go on about how graphics aren't important. get a life. Why doe shtere have to be a choice, either good graphics or good gameplay? Why not both?
A great game has all of the above. A don't give me the Angry Birds argument or other crap. Great graphics enhances immersion just as much as gameplay.
I have to disagree with you only because right now graphics are not whats important its about the physics of a game. Grant it, these new systems that come out will be a little better than their sibling but I believe game devs need to focus on the physics/AI/Functions of games. I hope this generation will solve this problem.
not just physcis and AI, but also frame rate issues. Motion blur could never make up for a solid 60fps.
In time there will be some noticeable improvements. Better AA, higher frame rate, higher resolution, more geometry, better textures, better shader effects, and better physics will all lead to more impressive visuals and bigger worlds. Initially the games may not "look better" as much as they "play better". I suspect 3 or 4 years down the line next generation games will visually separate themselves from the current generation.
Whether you guys like it or not, graphics will always be the main selling point for any console. Exclusives might be on par though.
Big leap? well, just buy a PC, mutliplatforms games are looking better on PC and games are cheaper than console versions. If you really want to know what power is: BUY A PC, over and out. Im not trying to bash PS4/720 but cmon, you obiviously dont care about graphics that much if you are owning the same system 5-7 years, you own it BECAUSE OF GAMES, not hardware. Last... yes, yes, i know the PS4 and 720 are going to have a relatively big leap compared to PS3/360 but i dont think the leap will be better than 6th gen vs 7th gen, dont get me wrong, it will be big but not that much and if you want even a bigger leap, get a PC, easy. Sony needs games in the first place, they shouldnt do the same mistake like Wii U.... ok ok Nintendo fans, im not trying to bash it but cmon, thats the reality, Nintendo needs to announce more games, over and out.
Listen son, it doesn't take raw power alone to make a game look good, just look at 99.9 % of the PC games that came out, not 1 moved sounded and played like Uncharted, GT5, KZ. So packing a MoNsTeR PC isn't going to get that... It take's a cool art design, attention and time, something a prime exclusive developer will put into a game.
First paragraph... I cant tell if you're serious. Second paragraph... Thats true, there ate wii games that look fantasic, Okami on the ps2 is another example of a good looking game that is not on bleeding edge tech.
@Perjoss name one game that has better art style than either killzone or uncharted on pc?
@Perjoss Disagree all you like doesn't make my point any less valid until you answer it
Nope. It'll allow for developers to make better engines. It's all about lifelike AI, better level design, more fluid animations, etc.
DRAMATICALLY better? I say no. Noticeably? Yes.
a reasonable answer, bubble for you
I can agree... maybe not like 6th vs 7th gen but i think the leap between 7th and 8th gen will be still good enough :) BTW bubble from me too....
You need to make another video!
lol "no"? unreal, FF next gen engines say hi!!! they look and have far ahead teach to any engines from current gen. and those are just two and i bet not the best looking engines that there will be and are only first gen of next gen engines tech..
Metal Gear Solid GroundZero It's open world. Amazing graphics and visuals. So i expect at least that kind of graphics. At least 3x more powerful then current generation consoles.. ps1 to ps2 was big step. Same happened to the ps3. So why we are expecting less this time?. isn't the tech available?. Didn't the ps3 cost 600$?. Why not doing the same?. ps3 is doing great now so why not doing the same for the ps4 ???? Hope sony shock you all. Im not expecting anything. I'mm just looking at the history ..
prepare for Metal Gear Solid meets Minecraft.
I don't understand what you said o.o
no, wii u is next gen, and does not blow the wii away, and the other machines won't blow away, their current gen counterparts either, graphics can only go so far, and after seeing, xeno blade for wii, watchdogs for 360, mg game for ps3, then no way.these games have stellar graphics. look at the wii u' new X game, it's next gen, they are better, than the 360, ps3, and wii, but don't blow them away, same will be for 720 and ps4. but in the end who cares? graphics don't make a game. it's all about the gameplay.
I feel guilty that i stopped reading at "Wii U is next gen". Forgive me
wii u is next gen stop acting like a five year old, grow up and get over it.
Yet my grammar is that of a mature person and I have am not the one making pointless, senseless rants
You're blind if you look at Xenoblade and then X and think "Ehhhhh i dont see a difference." You are just talking out of your ass. And no, WiiU is not nextgen. Its just another made up half step from the cheap fools at Nintendo. Just like the Wii.
@wiium64 wii u is not next gen stop acting like a five year old, grow up and get over it
@wiium64 The only right thing you said is that Wii U is next gen aka the first 8th gen desktop console but other than that, sorry, you talk too much nonsense. Wii U has much better graphics than Wii, PS4/720 are going to have even much better graphics than Wii U and PS3/360, ARE YOU BLIND? ofc graphics dont make a good game, but if you have a game with good gameplay and graphics, why dont you want to have it? OMG, i cant believe i read this.
They will look nice- I just hope that they use the extra power for things like AI and Physics. Also, it would be great for tracking info that way enemies won't have to rely on Triggers and pre-set events. It would be great to have AI that could track a player the entire space of a game world and realistically (no cheat and not stupidity) learn how to find a players in an entire game world.
No , just smoother(60FPS) and no tearing at 1080p ... we all expect no less (and no more really ) than that.
Unless Vsync is enabled you will still get tearing because of the 60hz. Though i noticed since i got a new 120hz monitor it isn't really needed, things are a lot smoother for my PC games.
The PS3 has yet to be maxed. And developers are still using the Unreal Engine 3. So my answer is No.
One word. Misery.
judging by graphics on a fone these days (epic citadel) ahem!!! i expect consoles to be fucking mind blowing. if not ill b truelly wondering why... standard
remember phone graphics are on a 4 to 5 inch screen so it's a lot more pixel density while these games will be being played anywhere from a 19inch screen (what I currently have) to 84 inch screens. That's a lot more demanding to look good on.
Funny thing is the resolutions some of these good looking mobile games are played at is not to far off from the average console game resolution. I'm not saying that mobile games look as good as console games in anyway though.
No but it will have improved physics,lighting, frame rates, and networking. All adding up to an epic experience.
Not forgetting anti-aliasing, anisotropic filtering and huge draw distances!
Of course it will be a big leap, don't kid yourselves. I remember around the time FFXII was coming out on the PS2, people were comparing it to the upcoming Enchanted Arms, saying E Arms had nice graphics. I dare anyone who has that JRPG on PS3 or Xbox to look at it now. The graphics are terrible, yet 7 years ago we were praising them? Maybe we won't get a massive PS2 > PS3 leap, but your mind will be blown, especially if you are used to consoles. One just needs to look back at the early gen games we were praising that now look terrible.
Exactly! Consoles are not pcs. There is a gap between releases that give consoles time to improve over its predecessor. For console only gamers like myself, I think we will be satisfied.
Ps4 and xbox720 are catching up with current pc graphics.
When they launch they will be capable of almost matching top PC graphics if pushed to the limits the only downfall is we wont see them hit there peak until 4-5 years down the line most likely when PC will have once again raced off ahead. Always happens but thats the proablem with trying to keep a console under £400/$600
True, but you haven't seen the new PC powerhouses. The new consoles will catch up to mid-range PCs when it comes out. I mean, Nvidia is already in development of the Titan series which uses Tesla. That's the stuff supercomputers use!
and what developers are using that FULL power of PC which is miles and miles better than consoles LOL
Robert Space Industries are planning to cater to the high end PCs using CryEngine 3. Star citizen will be miles and miles better than anything a console can produce
they will in a few more years but for the next 1-2 years they will look like current gen with a few high res textures and some AA
Yes games will look better next gen. However, it will not be the leap that was PS2>PS3. I don't believe we will see anything significant with launch titles...just like PS3 launch games looked marginally better than PS2's games toward the end of its cycle. But then, it's always been this way with launch games post the 2D era...
Indeed that leap won't happen as HD is old news now but we will see 1080p 60FPS instead of 720p stretched to 1080p 30fps.
Frame rate dips should be unacceptable next-gen. It nearly ruins some good games
Graphics aren't a huge deal, but frame rate and rendering need improvement as far as shooters go. Things need to be smoother in shooters.
We're in 2013, not 2007.
Yes they will. But this won't be that much of a leap compared to the PS2->PS3 or XBOX->XBOX360 leap...I'll leave a chance for both Sony and Microsoft to prove me wrong though...
It will plays better for sure :)
With games already looking as good as Halo 4, Max Payne 3, Witcher 2, Crysis 3 and Uncharted 3, one can't help but get excited about the graphics next gen will bring.
Even if it isn't a giant leap, if all next gen games looked even marginally better than the above mentioned games and had better AI and improved immersion and gameplay then I cannot see myself being disappointed.
This post is to all Nintendo fanboys who still fooling themselves that Wii U is a next generation Next generation console specs System Memory: 8GB Video Memory: 2.2 GB CPU: 4x Dual-Core AMD64 "Bulldozer" (so, 8x cores) GPU: AMD R10xx Ports: 4x USB 3.0, 2x Ethernet Drive: Blu-Ray HDD: 160GB Audio Output: HDMI & Optical, 2.0, 5.1 & 7.1 channels and Here for junk Wii U http://topic.worlds-luxury-... http://gamingbolt.com/wii-u... And stop defending Nintendo and their junks
You are putting wii U console gamers down because of specs which are low - mid range PC parts? (except the GPU which I know nothing about). It just seems like you are fighting over scraps. @tbirdman Now I feel bad for trying to stick up for Wii U gamers. Your argument is horrible.
Bro, get your head out of the other companies' asses. You look like a total idiot trying to spread game console propaganda on an open forum.
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http://www.examiner.com/art... ENOUGH SAID. It is unbelievable how little most PC fanboys, who claim to be computer experts, actually know about tech. Next gen will look great
Thanks for the link. Was a good, informative article with input from Timothy Lottes regarding next gen graphics. Timothy Lottes is the developer of Fast Approximate Anti Aliasing (FXAA) which was used in Skyrim, Batman and Battlefield 3. Now I know why the PS3 and 360 can produce great graphics on what PC elitists would refer to as antiquitated hardware. I have little doubt that the PS4 and next XBox will graphically impress even the biggest PC fanboys, even if they won't admit it.
Of course those graphics look great to you if you haven't seen actual great graphics. Look, I know there are some obnoxious PC people going around trashing the next-gen consoles, but this denial and damage-control is going a bit too far and isn't doing you any good. Also, just as a side-note directed to anyone in general. Art style should be more important than the technical quality. I think Journey was the best looking console game last year and it wasn't that technically impressive.
Seems like if what that article says is true, then current gen systems would of been many years ahead too and the PC's would just now be catching up to them.
They are! You try getting the type of graphics seen in Unchartered 3, Killzone 3, The Last of us, Beyond: Two Souls etc running on 2005 PC hardware with only 512mb of memory (not just GPU memory but GPU + System memory), I think you’d find that even if such a PC could run the games at all (which I doubt) it would be running them at like 10-15fps!.. Now if devs can do all that with just 512mb of total memory imagine what they can do with 4gb of GDDR5 or 8bg of DDR3. ----------------------------- ---------------- Here are some game and tech demo screenshots for the 6800 and you must remember this is with 512mb of GPU ram where this would need to be lowered to 256mb to compare to PS3/360. Do you think these screenshots are as good as the best the PS3 and 360 can now produce, and with half the memory? http://www.bjorn3d.com/Mate... http://www.bjorn3d.com/Mate... http://www.bjorn3d.com/Mate... < Tech Demo!
Not really, these consoles have been out for ~7 years. When 360/PS3 first came out they pushed the PC for the first few years. PC had Crysis but thats about it for a while. Then it pulled away and the platform has seen itself far surpass what consoles can do. You PC guys can pretend to know what your talking about, but this guy actually knows. And just because he's saying something you don't want to hear, doesn't mean his not a credible source of information. His resume alone makes him the most credible of sources. Get over yourselves.
Thanks, man. I have been looking for this link. Hopefully pc people can shut up. To "psychotica," he was talking about exclusive games like weve seen this gen on the ps3 and xbox with gears, uncharted, and the like. If assassins creed 3 was created for the ps3 from the ground up, it will look better and run better than it does right now. This is what he is saying.