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Sony Doesn’t Seem Interested in Bringing System Sellers to Vita

GenGAME writes: "Today, Sony doesn’t seem interested in grabbing (or making) games with real potential to become the face of Vita. So far, what are the best-sellers for the system? They’re dumbed-down handheld versions of games that haven’t been super-hot to begin with (I’m looking at you, Uncharted and LittleBigPlanet), dumbed-down third-party multi-platform games that are by that very fact unlikely to become front-line titles for a new system (Assassin’s Creed, Call of Duty), or quirky little experimental games. It’s no surprise that they aren’t pulling sales – none of these games is an adequate substitute for real revolutionary game-changers."

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Muffins12231232d ago

Well,there pushing ps3 games on the vita like sly cooper and persona 4 and many other games that have much higher quality and more content than a 3ds game..also killzone mercenary,Little big planet vita, soul sacrifice , and earth defense are just a few other games off the top of my head...

legendoflex1232d ago (Edited 1232d ago )

Sly Cooper, Persona 4, LBP Vita, Soul Sacrifice - system sellers?

Come on, does anyone know what those look like anymore?

LOGICWINS1232d ago

^^Either way, Sly Cooper, Persona 4, LBP Vita, and Soul Sacrifice are NOT system sellers. They just aren't.

GTA is a system seller. Battlefield is a system seller. Monster Hunter is a system seller.

andrewsqual1232d ago

Why do people think that Sony have to make all the awesome games for Vita? A fucking third party needs to step in and make something good every now and again. Sony only have so many awesome studios that can make games at once.

BattleAxe1232d ago

The Vita will move once the heavy hitters like Killzone, God of War and Gran Turismo come out. They could use another Uncharted game and maybe even a Heavenly Sword game. I would love to see another Socom game as long as it is done in a style similar to the PS2 Socom games, but that seems highly unlikely at this stage.

For third party games, GTA, Metal Gear, Street Fighter, Resident Evil, Battlefield and maybe a real Call of Duty game would really get things going.

dafegamer1232d ago

what is a system seller for you then?

Pixel_Enemy1232d ago

LOL Logic's idea of system sellers are multiplats haha.

LOGICWINS1232d ago (Edited 1232d ago )

"The Vita will move once the heavy hitters like Killzone, God of War and Gran Turismo come out."

I heard the SAME thing about COD, Liberation, and Golden Abyss. When will you people understand? N4G consistently proclaims that people buy consoles for exclusive IPs right? Yet when it comes to Vita, it's all of a sudden acceptable for Vita to churn out inferior versions of pre-existing Sony IPs.

Hypocrisy at its finest.

"LOL Logic's idea of system sellers are multiplats haha."

You REALLY need to do your research before commenting. The PS3 versions of the multiplats I mentioned outsell PS3 exclusives. The PS3 version of BF3 outsold Killzone 3 2:1. So YES, a Battlefield game(multiplatform) would be a HELLUVA lot better system seller than KZ: Mercenary.

Numbers don't lie :)

JoGam1232d ago

Playstation Plus is a system seller. I know a few people who bought a Vita just for Plus

LOGICWINS1232d ago (Edited 1232d ago )

^^It would be if Sony actually advertised it.

In early 2011, it was reported that only 100k PSN members we're PS Plus subscribers.

http://www.computerandvideo...

Lets say(being generous) that this number jumped to 500k in the past two years...thats STILL not even ONE percent of the estimated 70 million UNIQUE PSN users.

It's been proven that Sony has dire PR/marketing issues. Why are we sweeping it under the rug and pretending that everything is okay? Hiding behind a disagree button won't make the Vita sell.

skrug1232d ago (Edited 1232d ago )

@Logicwins

So Battlefield is a system seller and COD is not? Which is released, and I know the game has crap ratings....

Which means only naming these games (GTA, Battlefield, MonHun) does not equal a system sellers or even a good game, because lets be honest COD should be system seller.

And why are Sly Cooper, Person 4 Golden, LBP Vita and Soul Sacrifice not system sellers? I know some people who bought PSV just for Person 4 Golden.

Edit: is the PS+ subscribers world wide? UK only ?

LOGICWINS1232d ago (Edited 1232d ago )

^^Your forgetting the fact that COD was a bad game that was critically demolished, thus receiving bad word of mouth.

If done right, a Battlefield game with the full FrostBite engine would work wonders on the Vita.

Btw yes, those numbers are worldwide.

xPhearR3dx1232d ago

@andrewsqual

Um, it's not a third parties job to sell another companies system. It's the companies job that made the system to sell it and increase their fanbase to convince the third party they should use their resources to make a game for it.

If a third party felt a console or handheld isn't going to do so well, why would they waste company time and resources to develop a game that might not sell so well? Unless the company who made the system set up a deal with a third party to help funding, it's their job to make a system seller, not a third party.

Outside_ofthe_Box1232d ago (Edited 1232d ago )

Talk about being hypocritical.

***"If done right, a Battlefield game with the full FrostBite engine would work wonders on the Vita."***

Why can't that be the case for, to put it in your words, "inferior versions of pre-existing Sony IPs" as well?

The problem isn't that that they are well established IPs. It's that the games just aren't good. A lot of good games on the original PSP were IPs that were established on console, The GTA stories, FF:Crisis Core, and Kingdom Hearts come to mind.

Well known IPs are what the Vita needs, not new IPs that people aren't going to be willing risk $250+ on. Gravity Rush could have had 10s across the board and it still wouldn't have pushed enough units to consider a "system seller."

The games just have to be good. Publishers and developers can't half-ass a game expecting the name alone to garner the sales. People aren't going to be throwing away their money like that in today's economy.

Knushwood Butt1231d ago

Soul Sacrifice is going to sell Vitas in Japan at least, so yeah, it's a system seller.

Could be a sleeper hit in the west too. It's fast and accessible.

parkerpeters1231d ago

I bought my vita exclusively for LBPV... Then I got a bunch of other fantastic stuff for it :)

xursz1231d ago (Edited 1231d ago )

Monster Hunter is a system seller,,, in Japan. Don't forget monster hunter games have rarely sold well in NA or Europe.

Oddly enough I think the best selling MH game outside Japan was on the Wii with a few million sold. Correct if I'm mistaken.

GTA has sold 10 million or so on psp despite hacking so that's a feat.

fatstarr1231d ago (Edited 1231d ago )

clearly if they were system sellers the vita would have 10mill sold world wide.

Enter the logic free zone.

if everyone that disliked these comments went out and bought a vita Sony would have some sales. just fake fans and sony bandwagoners that say all this good talk on the internet but dont deliver lol.

talk is all good but numbers dont lie.

rainslacker1231d ago

@Logic

What sells a system for one person, isn't the same for another. Some games have a bigger fan base and more people may buy a system for it...like GTA, GT, Pokemon, or Monster Hunter for instance. Then there's UC:GA which made me want to get a Vita. If it wasn't that then Gravity Rush may have pushed me to get one as it was very unique. P4G definitely would have pushed me to buy one, and if not that then YS: Celceta would be a 100% buy for me.

The Vita has plenty of games that people might be willing to buy the system for. Just because you have a narrow view, and think you know what all gamers want, doesn't mean that the system is lacking in appealing titles. If they are unappealing to you then so be it, but please stop acting like you speak for everyone. You know why COD wasn't a system seller for many on the Vita...because it lacked almost everything that made a COD game, and more importantly, people didn't have a lot of friends who had a Vita for them to play COD with.

I think one of Vita's greatest strengths right now is it's ever increasing library of games that appeal to more than just one group of people. There is literally a game that everyone could find appealing on the system, and as time goes by people will see more and more appealing games come for it. In fact, that's not just Vita's strength, but Sony's strength since they made the first PS1.

Heartnet1231d ago

Peronsa 4 is a system seller.. if your looking into the right genre market

kupomogli1231d ago

@xursz

GTA sold well on the PSP before(LCS) and around the time it was hacked(VCS.) It's unfortunate that so many people pirated games because there were so many good games on the system that deserved much better sales than they received.

DOMination-1231d ago

Lol. Logic, don't even bother. N4G thinks the last guardian is a system seller when the two previous games sold 300 and 600k worldwide respectively (amazing games though they were).

The truth is, Sony do not own a single IP that can sell handheld systems. Nintendo on the other hand have Mario Kart, Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon and have made sure the big third party system sellers are exclusive. Ie. Dragons quest, professor layton and monster hunter. Then there's silly stuff like Art Academy and Brain Training.

To even suggest that Sly and Persona are on that level is ridiculous.

Sony are quite capable of making these games. LBP i think is one that SHOULD be selling units. Its not that they aren't advertising it, but in the UK at least they advertise it in the wrong way.

Ritsujun1231d ago

and LOGICWINS' not a winner either

Kurt Russell1231d ago

Everyone is getting their grumpy faces on for LOGIC, when really he has made me dream of a handheld BF.

kupomogli1231d ago (Edited 1231d ago )

Monster Hunter is only a system seller if you're Japanese or one of the few non Japanese fans.

A system seller though doesn't have to be any one specific IP, game, etc. Something that's a system seller to one person might not be to another.

Regardless. It doesn't matter how many system sellers are on the Vita if a lot of people have no interest for some reason or another. Look at the 3DS. Where was its system seller the first eight months of release? While it didn't meet Nintendo's projected sales, the 3DS sold far more than the Vita did during the same time frame and everything good was a port or a remake. Literally.

This is just opinion. You don't have to agree with my opinion, but having both the Vita and the 3DS, I feel that the Vita has, so far, received much more quality content.

The 3DS is finally coming out with more games I'm interested in though. Lords of Shadow Mirror of Fate, Devil Summoner Soul Hackers, and SMT4.

@LOGICWINS(reply to a post below.)

"Right. Why the hell would I spend 250 bucks to play something I can already get on a console I already own?"

Uncharted Golden Abyss, Wipeout 2048, Unit 13, Gravity Rush, LBP Vita, Ragnarok Odyssey, Shinobido 2, Assassin's Creed Liberation, Escape Plan, Aqua Kitty, etc.

Before you say, I can play "Uncharted" on my PS3, how about this. I can play Mario on my NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, etc. Golden Abyss is a new game, LBP Vita is a new game, Wipeout 2048 is a new game, etc.

The 3DS owners spent $250 for nothing but ports, remakes, and shovelware during the first eight months. You going to go and bash that crowd? I'm not saying go and do so. I'm just saying it'd be hypocritical not to.

miyamoto1231d ago (Edited 1231d ago )

Price Cut first!

make it more affordable

andibandit1231d ago

Lets face it, games ported from PS3->Vita are NOT going to be system sellers.

A year after release the Vita still dosn't have a Flagship game and i fear it will never get one.

IMightBeRetarded1229d ago (Edited 1229d ago )

These are some of my favorite games of all time, and soul sacrifice looks amazing. I bough a vita for lbp , so yes it is a system seller.

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Erimgard1232d ago

That's the point though...the Vita doesn't need "PS3 games"

It needs interesting, unique, NEW games. Not smaller versions of something people can already get on their PS3.

LOGICWINS1232d ago

Right. Why the hell would I spend 250 bucks to play something I can already get on a console I already own?

zebramocha1232d ago (Edited 1232d ago )

@erimgard that's the stupidest thing I ever heard,nintendo does it and never got called out on it,one excuse someone remark was,"they make their console games work on a handheld",I don't see the problem,if the game translate well from console to handheld then why complain?if people can discribe tablet games as having console quality but not complain if the game doesn't match cod,then why for Sony it's wrong?I understand if the game didn't capture the mobile experience in a genre.I think people do want the console type games on a handheld but get up set when Sony does it.

@logic so nintendo gets away with it because they're nintendo,then that means every reviwer excluding pro Sony sites should not make a vita review because they'll wright it off as a port.

LOGICWINS1232d ago (Edited 1232d ago )

"that's the stupidest thing I ever heard,nintendo does it and never got called out on it"

^^Because its Nintendo! Everyone and their mother owns a DS or at the very least knows a person that owned a portable Nintendo handheld at some point in their lives. Nintendo could start selling water guns and they would sell out if priced correctly.

Sony has NOWHERE near the same clout in the handheld gaming space, hence why Nintendo can afford to get away with rehashing 20 year old IPs.

@zebramocha- When reviewed, Vita ports should be held to the same standard as their PS3 counterparts. Sony said the Vita was a "console" in your pocket, so it should be held to console standards.

Erimgard1232d ago

@zebramocha

Yes and no. Nintendo counts on remakes/ports of classic games on their handheld systems, but you never saw them releasing Wii and 3DS versions of the same game at the same time and expecting people to go out and buy a 3DS because of it, just as Sony shouldn't expect that if they release a Vita/PS3 game that people are going to buy the Vita for it when they already own a PS3.

Blastoise1232d ago (Edited 1232d ago )

Logicwins
GTA is a system seller but I dont know about Battlefield
As for Monster Hunter It only really sells in Japan. I think people are understimating Soul Sacrifice & Phantasy star online 2, I reckon they'll shift a few Vita's over there. Soul Sacrifice is a game Sony are actually putting a bit of marketing behind for once lol. Heres hoping anyway

edit: Meant to reply to legendofflex above, woops

skrug1232d ago

@Logicwins
"Right. Why the hell would I spend 250 bucks to play something I can already get on a console I already own?" -LOGICWINS

"^^Either way, Sly Cooper, Persona 4, LBP Vita, and Soul Sacrifice are NOT system sellers. They just aren't.

GTA is a system seller. Battlefield is a system seller. Monster Hunter is a system seller." -LOGICWINS

WAIT A MINUTE....
So which is it?

zebramocha1232d ago (Edited 1232d ago )

@logic the vita is technically a console just not of the home variety.

@erimgard not all vita games have a cross buy function to them,it makes sense for specific games.

Irishguy951232d ago (Edited 1232d ago )

Skrug...Read the ****ing comment. He is not saying they aren't good games, nor is he saying BF3 is better than Killzone games. He is saying they aren't System sellers. Not commenting on tehir quality. Jesus some people are stupid.

I agree with you logic anyway, Gravity Rush is one game. Lbp portable = Why the **** would I want it if I have Lbp 2 already? Golden Abyss doesn't hold a candle to the console versions either. Why would I want it? There is nothing like Gravity Rush on Ps3. So I WANT IT. Now I have it/ Along with Ps+ other games. Sly cooper people keep saying, i'd much rather play it on console.

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Skrug...are you LISTENING? I never said Gravity Rush is a system seller, it most certainly is NOT a system seller. it is a good game that I want/have and is unique to PsV. You have to Read again....everything. Find out what a system seller is. Especially for a new console. The new call of duty in Novenber..sells Ps3's and 360's. MGS'4 was a system seller. Cod Vita was complete crap compared to the console version.

Again, find out what a system seller is before you start confusing 'good games' with 'system seller'. Dark souls is my fav game this gen...it will not ever sell systems.

Just because something is multiplat does not mean people will not buy systems for it.

There is no opinion on system sellers. To be a system seller, a game's release must suddenly sprout the selling of gaming systems regardless of Multiplat or exclusivity. There is no opinion on what sells systems. They either do sell them or they don't. Numbers don't lie.

skrug1232d ago (Edited 1232d ago )

@Irishguy95

He's being contradictory. He says he wants new IPs, but lists multiplats as system sellers. At the same time says Soul Sacrifice is not a System seller.

You say Gravity Rush is a system seller, but is it a system seller to Logicswins? I mean he did say Soul Sacrifice is not a system seller, in such a case, is Gravity Rush a system seller?

Edit:
Just read that Ragnarok Odeseey shipped some 250k copies across Japan, Asia and North America.
http://thesilentchief.com/2...

ILive1231d ago

The vita definitely needs new tips, not these so called system sellers. Why have a vita if that is all you are going to get. The vita needs new ips plain and simple. To be honest, I really don't know how they manage to sell so many psps when they did not support it right. They can sell the vita but they must support it vigorously.

ps3_pwns1231d ago

nsmb wii- Nsmb2 3ds
mario kart wii- mario kart 3ds
fire emblem wii- fire emblem 3ds
monster hunter wii- monster hunter 3ds

Lets not be freaking hypocrits here guys. hyprocrits are the worst gamers and vita and 3ds are doing the same thing right now.

Tired of haters and liars on here who dont know what the freak they talking about.

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IAMERROR1232d ago

The game people had hoped to help Vita sales was COD and it got panned in reviews though it still sold well on the platform. If they can somehow secure another Monster Hunter that would be a HUGE system seller in Japan. Launching that Killzone game on the same date as GTAV is a horrible idea, game it going to sell horribly.

Get SE to heavily support the system like they did on the PSP. Sony needs its own "pokemon" and what I mean by that is to have an extremely fun portable multiplayer experience that would help define the platform. eh well that's what I think.

showtimefolks1232d ago

GT could be a system seller

The new KZ game looks sick and has a lot of attention from gaming media so that could help

My under rated pick for system seller is soul sacrifice, it's these kind of games that could turn into big hit.

It takes time, I don't know how many times Sony has to say it it's not a race it's a marathon, games are coming out in 2013 and VIta will steadily grow but who am I kidding this in N4G where ts always Foom Articles for hits

VIta launched with 25 games how come none of the authors ever say that?

Wiiu and GTA will be fine in the long run.

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stuna11231d ago

Logic I understand what your saying and all, but how can you argue 2 year old statistics with now? Especially considering that playstation plus was pretty much new at the time. I have 93 people on my friends list, and out of them 34 of them have ps+ including me! That in itself kind of disproves your 500,000 figure.

Also didn't sony just recently address what steps they would be taking to push the sales of the Vita as far as support and advertising!?

CalvinKlein1231d ago (Edited 1231d ago )

wait till this big event. FF7 HD remake on VITA!!!

Gravity rush 2, and warriors lair will hopefully come out this year too.

Mounce1231d ago

The problem is, what IS a system seller, what can make a system seller? PS3 didn't even have 'system sellers' in my honest opinion.

PS3 had tons of exclusives and none of them were System Sellers, specific ones can be DELICIOUS but what PS3 had going for it was a fuck load of GREAT GAMES....However, how this generation is? Great games don't equate to system sellers. What are this generations system seller? GTA-series....COD Series....Halo series....Pokemon.... Sony and PS3 had made a lot of new IP's, a lot of great 'AAA' titles, a lot of memorable new franchises. However, none of them were like ZOMG PS3's GOING THROUGH THE ROOOOF!!....

PS1 had system sellers, PS2 had system sellers, but what each Playstation console had that PS3 also has? A great range, a great variety of quality games that can't be competed with.

blastcorp641231d ago

Clearly you never played kid Icarus or fire emblem

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Gimmemorebubblez1232d ago (Edited 1232d ago )

There are many good games on the vita but a price cut and more advertising would help a lot.
If the sales pick up more system sellers will come.

Edit:Killzone Mercenary, Tearaway, Soulsacrafice are all potential system sellers.

Erimgard1232d ago

Tearaway definitely has some potential. Not 100% sold on the other two, but Tearaway is a big step in the right direction.

Dylila1232d ago

i wont even click on the article because im quite sure that the body of it is riddled with misinformation.

" They’re dumbed-down handheld versions of games that haven’t been super-hot to begin with (I’m looking at you, Uncharted and LittleBigPlanet), "

this sentence alone nullifies the whole article even if it states that the sky is blue.

MmaFan-Qc1232d ago

like if the LBP vita game was the same than the ps3 lbp games, its pretty obvious that the article is full of bullshit

remanutd551232d ago

its even better, LBP vita is the best LBP game in the series.

cpayne931232d ago

Yeah lbp Vita is supposed to be the best lbp yet. Uncharted GA wasn't dumbed down, the original Uncharted only had a story mode. GA was an awesome game which was, in my opinion, unfairly criticized for not having a multiplayer mode.

Anon19741232d ago (Edited 1232d ago )

You know what? The article was a decent look back at some serious system sellers across consoles. Then, for no reason whatsoever it takes that ridiculous, trolling swipe at two fantastic titles in it's conclusion. Who does that? It just strips any credibility from the article.

The author had an interesting point and provided some food for thought, and then completely slaps gamers in the face at the end by marginalising two of the finest games to ever make their way onto a mobile platform. It's at this stage that you realize the author has probably never even held a Vita, let alone spent enough time with one to offer a valid opinion on what they're doing right or wrong.

A big ole vote down for this article, and for this site. Ridiculous.

darkpower1231d ago

Yeah, it would've been a lot more creditable if they didn't go down that route. Regardless of what you might think about the games or the system they were exclusive for, the thing is that those games generated a lot of great reviews and sales figures. Even in the day when the PS3 wasn't doing so hot (like in 2007, the worst year for the Playstation franchise's history), people still looked at the first Uncharted as a great game that people would actually want to play and buy the system for.

It's a dumb statement to make, not just from the notion that it makes the author sound like a complete fanboy, but it also insults people's intelligence. Why he would make it is beyond me!

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remanutd551232d ago

Sony needs that price cut i dont know if as big as the Nintendo handheld got it in the first year($80) but i think a $50 price cut would do a good job and those memory cards need price cuts too asap.

Trunkz Jr1232d ago

It's not the price it's the games. I have a 3DS, I would love to get a Vita but theres nothing that interests me ATM to get it. FF6 Remake for Vita would be an instabuy for me, tho seeing them on the 3DS makes me think it might go there but FF6 is so awesome I'd love for Vita or PS3/PS4 to pick it up.

remanutd551232d ago

Its simply the price, games there are a lot worth buying the system for but sony needs to lower the price ( as i said before i dont know if as big as $80) but sony definitely needs to make a price drop ASAP. And memory cards as well.

akaakaaka1232d ago

Well it needs more games a price cut and a real competitive price in the memory card!
who the f$%@ inside sony decided to make a new exclusive memory card for the Vita* Sony seam to learn their mistake and their new cameras accept SD memory cards but I was wrong, Vita proves Sony have not learn..

I bet I'm not the only one who skip buying a vita because of the stupid over price useless new memory card and those who force themself to buy a memory card did not did it with a smile and a piece of mind.
If a next vita model comes with options for SD cards I may be tempted to get one plus it will have more games to enjoy in it and better screen and etc..

smashman981232d ago

sony came out a few days ago saying they need to make the system more appealing this article is a little late i wont even bother giving it a hit