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Cliff Bleszinski's biggest regret was the launch of Gears of War 2’s online play

Polygon: "Launching Gears of War 2's online play was the biggest regret of former Epic Games design director Cliff Bleszinski, according to a recently posted FAQ on his Tumblr."

StrongMan4082d ago

He should regret it. That was the most broken, unplayable mess of a multi player I've ever played in my life. Nothing worked right. I wanted my money back after I played that trash. I traded it in after a couple of weeks and the game was still unplayable. Gears 2 was the worst multi player launch of all time.

NoobJobz4082d ago

Agreed. Was beyond pumped for Gears 2 after loving Gears 1 online. Got on after midnight launch and was pissed.

asmith23064082d ago

Completely agree. Myself and a friend were gears maniacs. Got home from the midnight launch and were like kids at Christmas who were given the wrong disc in the case by santa. We were devastated ha! It was a completely different game and the perfect example of a developer alienating its core fan base. That was pretty much my last hurrah with the 360. The only thing it had for me over the ps3 was gears, and epic ruined it. I traded my xbox around 3 months after.

ddurand14082d ago

that launch is what made my buy a PS3. gears was the only exclusive i played on 360. after the gears2 shenanigans i didnt see a reason to pay for xbox live anymore.

havent looked back since.

EVILDEAD3604082d ago (Edited 4082d ago )

Loved Gears 2 at launch.

I couldnt care less about the some of the multi issues as me and my friends played Horde for hours.

Still one of the best co-op campaigns this gen. The best was even when the fixed it completely there were still trolls online pretending it was broke well after.

Ahhh the console wars

Regardless campaign was a blast and Gears 3 was amazing.

Cant wait for the prequel in March.

Evil

@ ddrand1

So are you really saying that you literaly bought a PS3 solely because the multi in Gears had issues. sounds like a strange reason.

SilentNegotiator4082d ago (Edited 4082d ago )

To anyone hitting disagree: http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Plus, there was the whole GETTING INTO a match thing.
How quickly fanboys forget.

I got GeoW 2 and 3 well after launch (cheap) because I've never liked how buggy the MP is, but enjoy the campaigns.

badz1494082d ago

and making lots of money on his way out too, he finally admitted how broken Gears 2 MP was, ha? that's so classy Cliff! /s

Kurt Russell4082d ago

It had so many issues that took long time to get patched and working. I still played through it though, even with the 40 minute wait times for a game... Loved it regardless.

Diver4081d ago

"ahhh the console wars"???????

yeah evil you know the war you helped keep going by being one of the chief attackers of sony. you do realize some of us have been around and know where to find your post history. get a different account cause its too late to try an paint yourself as a middle of the road guy.

insomnium24081d ago

So after all the high scores and great sales he comes out and says something like this. Geow 2's online (which was almost a perfect 10 out of 10 according to reviewers) is his biggest regret.

Something like this speaks volumes about the review system but hey let's not think about this and certainly let's not say that this game has been given a free pass for it's unplayable online. It's not like many other games (mainly PS3 exclusives) have been deducted any points from shaky online in the beginning. Warhawk says hello btw.

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thezeldadoth4082d ago

i think that series was shit after gears 1. the campaign was ok but nothing spectacular

solidt124082d ago

I really enjoyed 3. 1 is very good too though.

thezeldadoth4082d ago

I was a huge fan of gears of war 1. The rest of them were a let down, getting worse each installment. I'll actually wait for reviews before playing judgement, although the industry has proven, great reviews usually don't mean great games.

Eyeco4082d ago

Gears 1 was great

Gears. 2 was ok but it really hasn't aged too well in some areas, there's some really questionable level design choices, especially when your in the rift worm absolutely ridiculous, apparently Epic thought it was a good idea to play a game with no visibility, it wasn't hard just a stupid design choice, and there were several of those moments

Gears 3 excellent , refined gameplay , great level design to especially towards the end of the game

shackdaddy4082d ago

Campaign for Gears 2 was good but it had bad online. Online for Gears 3 was good but it had really meh campaign.

That's just my opinion though...

sobekflakmonkey4082d ago

The first gears was definitely the best, the whole clunky running thing and chunkiness of the game just got lame for me, needed to move on to more fluent games.

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omi25p4082d ago

Question.

Did you actually play it. Judging by ALL of you're previous comments you have never had a 360 and there for are completely unable to comment on the matter.

On topic, This game was really buggy at launch but after a few months in worked fine.

It was certainly a better game than the third one.

FriedGoat4082d ago (Edited 4082d ago )

I love gears multiplayer, gears 1,2 and 3 I enjoy playing online. However the single player is pretty repetitive and boring.
You are lying to yourself if you think gears 2 got fixed, it didn't, it's still broken now. The only way they could fix the engine was to get dedicated servers as they did with 3. I was still getting games where players spawn with no guns and can't shoot a few months ago. Not only that, the host advantage was ridiculous, shots wouldn't register etc. I could write a book on existing issues in gears 2.

I still play gears 3 now and then, the dedicated servers are refreshing and far more fair. And I also enjoy destroying everyone.

hazardman4082d ago (Edited 4082d ago )

Good ?. I was thinking the same thing. This guys is forevr bashing Microsoft and xbox brand all of a sudden he's playing Gears!

ALLWRONG4082d ago

omi25p that's the way it works here. PS3 fanboys pretend they played something they never have. Look at their profiles, you can see how they claimed to have traded their so called 360's or stopped paying for Live 10-20 times now. Sad thing is they keep trying.

AngelicIceDiamond4082d ago (Edited 4082d ago )

Why are people agreeing with him? He doesn't have XBL or Gears look at his comment history. This is just giving him another excuse to troll with out actually being marked down for it.

He wouldn't know anything about Gears or anything Xbox related.

EDIT: On Topic:
Other than that the MP was a mess even the constant patches didn't help it. I haven't played Gears 3 yet but I heard all major problems from 2 have been solved and Gears 3 runs very smooth.

showtimefolks4082d ago

Yet reviewers still gave it great scores go figure

That's why it's so hard to trust reviewers,

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Lvl_up_gamer4082d ago

Even with shotty online matchmaking for the first 3 months and just taking a long time sitting in the lobby serarching, it was still better then Uncharted 2's multiplayer.

spicelicka4082d ago

am i the only who didn't have that many problems with gears 2 online?

Death4082d ago

The issues didn't affect everyone. If memory serves correctly, I didn't have issues at launch either, but many people did. It definately got better over time though with updates.

As far as paid off reviewers go, there was no online to review before the game launched. Reviewers get early copies before the game is released. Without server stress or in some cases, completed copies, it is hard to address all concerns. Go back and read the reviews and feedback and you will see the game was reviewed on it's offline content more than anything. Online was considered above and beyond then.

MizTv4082d ago

It sucked ass
I played so much gears1 but 2 ruined the series for me

kickerz4082d ago

Dude you aints got to lie. You have never played gears. You hate everything Xbox. Everyone knows it.

otherZinc4082d ago (Edited 4082d ago )

Cliff made me happy as hell!
Gears 2 single player was fantastic!
Gears 2 campaign co-op was fantastic!
Gears 2 Horde mode was fantastic!
This is all I play, just these modes.

Cliff, thanks! I love this series, my friends and family are playing all 3 Gears games campaign co-op, getting ready for Gears Of War:Judgment.

Avalanche4082d ago

you obviously didnt play Socom Confrontation.

xPhearR3dx4082d ago

This. lol what a joke of a mess that game was at launch.

Dark_Overlord4082d ago

But the point is where as SOCOM got hammered for its faults, Gears got a free pass with 9's and 10's given out left, right and center. Either the same review standards applies to all games, or they shouldn't review it at all. Its why gaming 'journalism' is constantly mocked by gamers.

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MontyQ4082d ago

cliffy B 4 lif3 jazz jackrabbit ftw

DEATHxTHExKIDx4082d ago

I actually like Gears 2 online a little more than Gears 3. I wish all the Gears 2 maps DLC included were in Gears3. Cause I am not to fond of most Gears 3 maps.

bestofthebest4082d ago

same here gears2 had some of the best maps, gears 3 not so much

konnerbllb4082d ago

Ditto. I liked the maps more and I also liked how the hammerburst was actually useful. Not to mention that the sawed off didn't exist back then.

It wasn't so bad if you got host or someone near your location got host. I think I played had something like 30 days worth of actual game time in gears 2.

Gears 3, got to level 40 and haven't touched it since.

rpd1234082d ago (Edited 4082d ago )

I'm surprised he acknowledges some of the mistakes in the game. Though I actually do like the buffness of the characters.

SAE4082d ago (Edited 4082d ago )

Loved the first gears but i couldn't handle playing the sequels. The bigger the game the worst become for me. It's still fun and hard playing gears of war 1 multiplayer >.< ..

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New Shark Tank Inspired Wolves’ Den Game Contest With Spatial, Youtube, and Gaming Legends

Rapper/Actor Ice-T, and YouTube, Gaming Legends, Cliff Bleszinski, Welyn, And Barji To Judge First ‘Wolves Den’ Game Jam Series On Spatial Platform

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N4GTG37d ago

This could be great for some indie developers

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Gears of War Creator CliffyB Offers His Thoughts on Xbox Exclusives Going Multiplatform

During a recent Game Rant interview, Gears of War creator CliffyB comments on Xbox-exclusive games possibly adopting multiplatform models.

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S2Killinit38d ago

Im sure he would love it. More money for him.

OtterX38d ago

Yea, I remember seeing him and his Lamborghini at one point in history. Lol, I think that kind of gives it away.

rippermcrip37d ago

Doubtful he gets any residuals from anything Gears related.

rippermcrip37d ago

Bunch of clowns down voting without any explanation of how exactly he is getting money off Gears. You think Notch still gets Minecraft money too?

jznrpg36d ago (Edited 36d ago )

Depends on the contract. Some contracts have residuals some don’t

Whitey2k37d ago

Sometimes I don't get what he says half the times. He could of put gears on the playstation from the start but he's fanboyness for xbox got in the way

Notellin37d ago

I imagine this is exactly how fanboys feel how this went down. Microsoft paid for all the development and took all the risk off Epic games for a new IP.

It has nothing to do with anyone being a fanboy. Well other than yourself who oversimplified this entire franchises history.

LoveSpuds37d ago

I agree Notellin, however, once he was in bed with MS he did become pretty 'anti Sony' ans was such a shill for MS.

Hofstaderman37d ago

This. And Sony also does this with titles these days.

shinoff218337d ago

I thought it was said cliffs shopped it around hence rumors of a ps3 demo being out there. If ms took on all the cost, why is there a ps3 demo?

Rude-ro37d ago

Not true at all.
Microsoft had to buy the ip because the contract ran out on keeping it exclusive.
Microsoft took no risk, they just marketed the game and payed for a contract.
Not hard to find out.

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Ironmike37d ago (Edited 37d ago )

Your the the fanboy

Sciurus_vulgaris37d ago

No, Epic signed a development and publishing contract with Xbox for Gears of War. After Judgement Microsoft still had the Gears of War publishing rights. Epic then sold the Gears of War IP to Microsoft in 2014. Cliffy B never owned Gears of War, he was just a lead designer of the series.

rippermcrip37d ago

Ya I don't know what people are saying about CliffyB making money of Gears sales nowadays. He was never the owner and Epic no longer owns it either.

ChasterMies37d ago

“He could of put gears on the playstation from the start but he's fanboyness for xbox got in the way”

It has nothing to do with fondness for the Xbox platform. Microsoft paid for exclusivity.

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Travesty37d ago (Edited 37d ago )

Well when you look at the sales perspective of ps5. It has a big audience selling over a 2 to 1 ratio. It makes money sense.
Fanboy era was at its prime during the ps3-360 generation. It’s not as toxic as it once was, thankfully. People grow out of it eventually. I have my preference just as the next person. That being said it’s coming to be more about expanding availability instead of standing behind a brand. Much more Microsoft than Sony. But Sony will probably move up its time of PC release for increase revenue.
We will see, it’s just speculation.

Psychonaut8537d ago

CliffyB is like David Jaffe at this point, always quick with the opinions but haven’t made a successful game in over a decade at this point. Do any of us really care what they think about anything? I certainly don’t.

shinoff218337d ago

I never liked the guy tbh but he's got more relevance in gaming then we do.

Skuletor37d ago

CliffyB, I haven't heard that name since Lawbreakers flopped.

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Sorry, CliffyB, But "Gears of War" Doesn’t Need A "God of War"- Style Reboot

Shaz from GL writes: “In an interview, Cliff Bleszinski says that he’d be interested in helping develop a Gears of War reboot akin to God of War. Unnecessary? I think so.”

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Jin_Sakai163d ago

Regardless, Gears of War gameplay feels outdated this day and age.

spicelicka161d ago

I completely disagree. Outdated in what way? There is literally no other cover based TPS multiplayer game like it and the core gameplay is so good that people still play Gears 1 today. I can't think of any games that has shotgun battles like Gears. The real issue is that there is simply no new audience for it, because the learning curve is so steep. It just needs to market itself better and the work needs to be done on the campaign side. Better to just split up the single player and multiplayer as two different projects and releases.

Also, this who "reboot" discussion isn't considering the fact that God of war doesn't have multiplayer as a significant portion of the game. Single player only games have a lot more freedom to change. With Gears you have to consider that there's an entire community still playing every day, so you can't just change the core gameplay balance. On top of that they can't dedicate as many resources to single player as God of war, because the budget has to be split with multiplayer.

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Gamingsince1981161d ago

There is no other one like it because there is no demand for that style of game, kinda obvious really. If there was an interest in gears style games the market would be flooded with them.

lucian229160d ago

Gears of War 1 and 2 were bad combat wise.... Story wise too. I beat both of them because of the hype and gave up after that.

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GamerRN161d ago

I agree. It needs done kind of overhaul, but I don't think a God of War style would suit this game.

I gotta be honest I don't know what it needs, but it needs something ... And 5 wasn't it

terrorofdeath161d ago

Maybe it's a reboot more in the sense of a more emotional storyline or something like God of War, and some small tweaks in terms of gameplay.

anast161d ago

They don't have the talent to do a GoW style reboot.

DOMination-161d ago

Do you have a genuine reason to come to that conclusion, other than it not being a PlayStation studio?

The Coalition probably have the best and most knowledge team on Unreal Engine 5 outside of Epic. I'd have thought if anyone "had the talent", it would be them.

Rude-ro161d ago

Because they did not do a fantastic job when they took over the ip.

In fact, the majority of ips under Microsoft shows complete signs of cheap development with bigger marketing budgets.

More make up on dated engines can work… but can not be mistaken for innovative.
No innovation equals no ability to push a franchise into anything new.
Take the “open world” introduction in the last gears…
Empty vast traveling areas to get to pre determined “random” encounter areas is a cheap developing approach.. not innovation to build any trust into.

kneon161d ago

Even if they were the best in the world at UE5 that would only mean that they might make a great looking game. It takes a lot more than that to make a great game.

anast160d ago

"Do you have a genuine reason to come to that conclusion, other than it not being a PlayStation studio?"

History and current output.

jznrpg96d ago

Look at the last 10 years and you have plenty of evidence

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rgraf77161d ago

God of War is overrated. Those boring boat rides talking and backtracking.

GamingManiac161d ago

Bruh, that made me laugh lol

anast160d ago

I'm not big on the game, but it isn't overrated.

Inverno161d ago

A reimagining that continues the lore, and story of established characters is absolutely a great way to continue a series that needs a refresh. I agree that any long standing franchise that has run it's course definitely needs a "God of War" style reboot, because GOW did it right. I might have my issues with the last two games but they did right by the series regardless.

Ra3030161d ago

There's no helping Gears of Woke. Microsoft killed this franchise when they forced the woke culture into the story.

itBourne161d ago

God of War did the same, just in a more subtle sly way.... They could of probably made a few cuts and bam, PG rated movie right there. God of Rainbows and Daisies.

itBourne161d ago

Dang, so many dislikes lol, willing to elaborate, just didnt want to throw out a bunch of spoilers. If anyone wants to discuss as to why, im always open to discussions. Just shoot me a DM.

343_Guilty_Spark161d ago (Edited 161d ago )

How is it woke? Because the lead is a female?

Is Horizon woke also?

CantThinkOfAUsername161d ago

It is, but not due to the gender of its protagonist.

zeuanimals161d ago

There's no helping you. Anti-woke culture killed your brain when they force fed you the idea that diversity is the worst thing ever.

Ra3030161d ago

Lol....good to see that you agree as do I with the fact Microsoft went woke as Disney with the Gear franchise. Microsoft tried to save the franchise by taking the formula that was working with the strong Bro leads and going to the woke weakass female formula that no one cared about.

Binarycode161d ago

Diversity isn't a strength. Look at the world. That's the reason it's in the state it is.

Gamingsince1981161d ago

Forced diversity is the reason people don't like diversity, you should just hire who is best for what, not have to tick boxes first then worry about talent next.

zeuanimals161d ago (Edited 161d ago )

@ra3030

Every company has gone woke, even successful ones. Those don't fit your narrative though. Yeah no, the only two things Microsoft and Disney have in common is that they're woke /s

Totally not that they're risk averse companies that don't wanna innovate in fear of it being a waste of time. They've got bottomless pockets and limited time. So they spend their time trying to crack codes, find patterns, create money making templates out of whatever property they're working on. It needs to be as mass produceable as possible. Disney and Microsoft, bringing sweat shop factory made quality to gaming storefronts and theaters near you.

zeuanimals160d ago

@binary

Right because the world was so much better segregated... and there's a million other reasons I'd put ahead of diversity as to why the world is the way it is, but way to show how much diversity is on your brain by how dangerous you think it is. It's literally the cause of everything to you.

@gaming

Actually forced diversity is the only reason people like diversity. If you don't force people to do it, they won't do it. The only people who end up liking it due to having met new people with different perspectives only ever got to because they were kind of forced to. That's literally part of the reason diversity is being advocated for, because it promotes innovation. Having dozens of people with too similar of viewpoints can lead them to being too likeminded and unable to think of different solutions, or even different problems that weren't even recognized. There's more than one way to be a useful hire, and having a genuinely unique perspective is one of them.

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Crows90161d ago

I thought they were doing a soft reboot with gears4 but then it turned out to be the exact same as all the others.

A more horror oriented and tight corridor renewal would work for that franchise....also...why they got guns? They're alien like...they should have other types of weapons entirely.

OMNlPOTENT161d ago

dang why do most of the different species in god of war use swords, axes, and bows? They should have other types of weapons entirely.

Crows90161d ago (Edited 161d ago )

They don't... Okay you obviously haven't played god of war. What a way of owning yourself man! Lol

The draugr are pretty much the only ones...and besides we're comparing established mythology with made up bug aliens

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