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Submitted by thenextxbox 516d ago | opinion piece

How Much Should Microsoft Tweak The Next Xbox Controller

Houston (TheNextXbox) – The controller that is used and ships with a gaming console can make or break the console’s success. We have seen this in the past, with the Nintendo Wii creating a whole gaming niche for itself with a brand new controller. So how much should Microsoft change the next-generation Xbox controller, from what we have with the Xbox 360? (Microsoft, Xbox One)

NukaCola  +   516d ago
Better D-Pad and internal battery

Other than that, it's a good controller.
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cl1983  +   516d ago
Change the d pad, but allow controller cross over 360/new xbox.
EVILDEAD360  +   516d ago
Best controller in the biz.

They fixed the D-pad with the new metallic controllers, but it'll be interesting what comes next.

What you will see is everyone emulating it's design as Nintendo did with the Wii-u.

The verdict is out on Sony for the PS4.

Evil
DragonKnight  +   516d ago
"Best controller in the biz."

Subjective and inaccurate.
Irishguy95  +   516d ago
Not the best controller, best out of Nin/Sony/MS. But there are better(more expensive) ones on PC. The 360 controller is the best there has been on consoles yet though. I hope Sony rob the design too but keep the quality of their buttons.

It's seemingly common knowledge(besides N4G of course) that MS hit the nail on the head with their controller this gen, besides the D-Pad which was fixed with the new controllers.

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NeverEnding1989  +   516d ago
The D-pad has been fixed for a few years now. Much better. Internal batteries would have been expensive in 2005, but not so now. I definitely see them adding that.

Otherwise the controller won't change. Nintendo has already made their controller more like Microsoft's and I have no doubt Sony will copy as well. Aside from cross game chat, a better controller is the most wanted feature from the Sony faithful.

M$ did a great job with their controller and hit a sweet spot. Unless controller format changes (screen in the middle) I could see the current controller staying around for a few generations.

And I agree. Best in the biz by far.
TheRealSpy  +   516d ago
""Best controller in the biz."

Subjective and inaccurate."

If it's subjective, it can't be inaccurate. Kinda of a hypocritical statement, actually.

I agree with everyone about the D-pad. Disagree about the battery though. I like being able to swap out my rechargeable batteries and charge them independently of the controller. I think that's where the Wii U and the PS3 controller really fall short. If I am playing a ps3 game and the battery in my controller is dying, my only option is to plug the controller in if i want to keep playing. And on Wii U...forget it. You just have to stop playing and wait for the controller to charge back up. Pretty stupid design choice.
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DragonKnight  +   516d ago
"f it's subjective, it can't be inaccurate. Kinda of a hypocritical statement, actually."

Actually you have it wrong. If it's subjective, it can't be accurate. That's the same as saying a personal preference is generally accurate for the majority when it's entirely based on the individual. But, to go further and unfortunately to have to repeat myself like a broken record, MS' controller hasn't won awards, Sony's has. Therefore, to state categorically that MS' controller is the "best in the biz" is not only subjective, and inaccurate, it also flies in the face of professionals who voted Sony's design as the superior design.

In the end that's all moot because it's still all just subjective.
nukeitall  +   516d ago
@DragonKnight:

"That's the same as saying a personal preference is generally accurate for the majority when it's entirely based on the individual."

That is where your assumption is wrong.l

If it is a personal preference, then that doesn't represent the majority!

That is why it is a PERSONAL PREFERENCE, therefore it is accurate FOR THAT PERSON.
DragonKnight  +   516d ago
@nukeitall: *facepalm* I want you to point out anywhere in that string of comments above you where anyone said "MS' controller is the best in the biz... to me." Anyone. Anywhere. Even an implication.

When you don't find it, you can then proceed to get upset about your pointless response. Then you can look up things like context and accuracy and hopefully learn a little something.
Lvl_up_gamer  +   516d ago
Here is what isn't "subjective". The 360 controller is THE best ergonomically correct controller on the market for any console. This is NOT subjective as ergonomics is a proven fact. So regardless if people like the triggers on the dualshock more then the 360's triggers or how well the d-pad works, bottom line, the 360 is more ergonomically correct then the dualshock.

Ergonomics is VERY important especially if you are holding a controller in your hands for hours on end. The strain put onto your hands could lead to issues with arthritis in the joints later on in life. The Dualshock is ergonomically incorrect and places unnecessary strain on the hand and finger joints. Regardless if you "feel" the dualshock just feels better, it's not true at all. Everyone's hands are built the same with a small % of people with abnormalities such as double jointed conditions. The 360 controller is MORE ergonomically correct. Period. That is NOT subjective, and despite what I feel makes the 360 controller better then the Dualshock, it is NOT subjective that the 360 controller is more ergonomically correct which is enough in itself to say the 360 controller is better then the dualshock.
DragonKnight  +   516d ago
@Lvl_up_gamer: Still subjective. Do you have proof beyond your own opinion that the 360's controller is regarded as the most ergonomic controller? The field of ergonomics is a fact, the practice isn't. Ergonomics is about design efficiency and comfort, if anyone feels uncomfortable with the 360 controller, or feels the design is inefficient, then it's not a factual claim to state that the 360's controller is the most ergonomical.

People need to learn what subjective means before trying to use it in an argument.
maniacmayhem  +   515d ago
@DragonKnight

Sony won an award for it's ORIGINAL duel shock controller along with Nintendo's d-pad. The award was NOT for being the BEST controller ever but for it's innovation off of the original controllers of past consoles.

http://www.destructoid.com/...

I don't know why you keep saying awards.

As for ergonomic, I don't know why that word has become the new buzz for controllers but in my opinion and many, many others the 360 controller is hands down the best out of the big 3. The main complaint you will find is the d-pad.
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BadboyCivic  +   516d ago
Put a TV screen in it like the WiiU and make the D pad work like the PS3
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hellvaguy  +   516d ago
I personally don't want a gimic screen, and don't care about the d-pad because I don't play 2D fighter games. (Just my opinion, not gunna say its true for everyone out there.)

I would like to see from both sony and ms, adult sized controllers next gen. Improved battery life and wireless headsets without the use of a separate accessory receiver would be nice too.
HeroReborn  +   516d ago
a little less weight too and that will make me happy it's the best controller of all 3 console makers
3-4-5  +   516d ago
Don't change anything really. Upgrade some stuff but keep it 95% the same. It feels perfect in my hands for playing video games, I really don't want to use any other controller.

The layout of it is just really comfortable and easy to use for long game sessions.
joab777  +   516d ago
Best bet for both systems is to allow the old controller to work just in case. If the new one is better, everyone will buy it. Make it lighter, dpad, maybe a browser button if its gonna allow mutitasking (i know xmb can do that). The share button may be a great idea.

If its gonna be an entertainment device then functiinality is important for movies etc. Otherwise they already have a great controller.
otherZinc  +   516d ago
NOT AT ALL!

M$, please don't touch that Silver Controller with the new D pad!

Also, keeping the Plug & Play Cord! If an internal controller battery dies, you must buy a $60 controller vs. a $20 battery kit! That's $40 saved towards a new game.
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user3915800  +   516d ago
Better internal batterie? I dont know but the 360 pad last the longest out of the current consoles and d-pad its great the way it is. What I want its better functionality with game developers and the lack of delay, cause fighting games like street fighter iv its nearly unplayable, its not precised as it should be, I blame capcom for that, cause teken its so much more acurate. Maybe a little more precision on the analog, but besides the dreamcast controller, I think the 360 its the king of controllers. PS CONTROLLERS GIVES ME ARTHRITIS, too small for my hands, but its well balanced, hope they copy 360 shape just like the wiiu did.
StrongMan  +   516d ago
No more external batteries
Fix the D-Pad
Put the left analog stick and the D-Pad in their proper place

Do those things and it will be a great controller IMO.
Kalowest  +   516d ago
"Put the left analog stick and the D-Pad in their proper place"
That would destroy the 360 controller. The design makes playing FPS easier and more comfortable.
The_Infected  +   516d ago
FPS games aren't all there is though.
greenpowerz  +   516d ago
^^^
He didn't say that he said the design was perfect for the types of games he likes. You being stuck with a poorly designed controller and being defensive about it won't change the top notch design of the xbox controller favored with about all genres but one(Fighting)

It's not about just being good with just FPS's it's about being good with all genres except fighting.

Even Nintendo sees the quallity design of it with Wii U

It's just not the button layout, shape, size and weight of the controller that's top notch, the pressurized sticks and triggers have an unmatched sensitivity and resistance for unmatched feedback to the game and gamers developers use when developing games for xbox.
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hazardman  +   516d ago
I actually like external batteries, I use energizer rechargables I get 2weeks on one charge. I also dont have to deal with charge wires. Soon as I see batteries are dying I charge a pair and I'm good! The only thing I would change is the dpad, besides that everything is good. If they go a different route then atleast make them compatible.
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K1W1  +   516d ago
Ha!

I do the same thing with the rechargeable energizer batteries. So I like the external battery set up as well.

Just improve the d pad and leave it at that. The 360 controller is nearly perfect in my opinion.
BitbyDeath  +   516d ago
The external battery wouldn't be so bad if they could put it inside the controller and not have it jutting out the back.

They should at the very least fix that.
Bigpappy  +   516d ago
No. I like the option to swap the battery. I don't want wires on my wireless. It warns you when the batt is getting low, so you can just swap and play on. Its the best controller I have ever used. I could use it all day and not remember that it is actually controlling the image I am moving, and not my just brain.
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Hufandpuf  +   516d ago
Keep external batteries (Buy a rechargeable pack if it's too $ consuming)

DO NOT CHANGE THE LEFT ANALOGUE STICK.

One thing I hate about the DS3 is that the analogue is too close together. The most used input should be the closest to the fingers (left analogue)
Lvl_up_gamer  +   516d ago
If they did that, then they would be stepping back about 2 generations....what console maker has a controller design that dates back 2 generations with poor ergonomics?

Any company that did that may as well be constantly in the RED and make only about $6 million profit in the games division in Q3.

Pfff no console company in their right mind would do that.

The 360 controller is perfect and I LOVE the external battery. DON'T CHANGE IT!!! It takes 3 seconds to swap out the old battery pack and put in a freshly charged battery pack.

My PS3 controller is shit. When the battery runs out I have to connect the cord to the console. Who does that anymore unless you are competing in a tournament?

LAME.
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Hicken  +   515d ago
Oh, boy. I remember when you weren't such an OBVIOUS troll.

Ergonomics... you should look it up. That's all I'll say on that, since it's pointless to discuss a subject with you when you're not at all knowledgeable.

The controller made by the company you allude to in a trolling fashion is the only one of the current controllers to have won awards for its design. That's all I'll say about which controller is "better."

The 360 controller's battery lasts nowhere near as long as the PS3 controller. I can put in 4+ days of 5-hour or longer sessions before my controller dies on PS3. The BEST batteries you can get for your "perfect" 360 controller ALSO need to be plugged up to be charged.

They can keep the design- though I'll never prefer it over the Dual Shock- but AT LEAST make the external battery not protrude so much.

Well, dunno why I'm even responding to you. Trolling is what you do now, right?

Edit: A few short rebuttals.

First: It'd cost close to a hundred dollars- tax included- for the 360 controller to provide a similar performance level, battery-wise(charger, rechargeable battery, charge cable, etc.)

Second: It may be just one award, but it's still one more than the 360 controller has.

Third: I didn't so much as IMPLY that the aforementioned award implied the DS was the "BEST CONTROLLER EVER."

Fourth: Interesting that you didn't even TRY to rebut my refuting his claim about ergonomics. Is it because you know I'm right there?

Fifth: That sucks for you. I've put in 12 hour stints on DC Universe and Tales of Graces without the need for a charge. What does that prove or disprove about the longevity of the 360 controller's battery life, which you SHOULD(though you probably wont) admit is crap out of the box.
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stage88  +   515d ago
@Hicken Haha, certainly put him in his place! +1 bubble
maniacmayhem  +   515d ago
@Hicken

"...is the only one of the current controllers to have won awards for its design."

No, but the ORIGINAL duel shock controller did win an award (not award(s) plural) for it's innovation from classic controllers of the past.

http://www.destructoid.com/...

"The award is from the Video Game Technology Group. It was nominated by our internal group and considered along with the Nintendo D-Pad both of which were considered Emmy worthy for the development of the generation of controllers that followed the classic joysticks."

No where does it mention or even suggest that because of this award it means it is the BEST CONTROLLER EVER.

"The 360 controller's battery lasts nowhere near as long as the PS3 controller. I can put in 4+ days of 5-hour or longer sessions before my controller dies on PS3."

That is pure and utter BULLSH*T. How do you even know how long the 360's battery lasts? What did you compare it too? Did you truly do a 4+ days and 5-hour long gaming session on the 360?

I have put in many hours on SF4 for PS3 and that battery gets drained rather quickly.
deSSy2724  +   515d ago
Wrong........

The controller is fine, i never owned a MS console but i have the original Xbox360 controller for my PC (two of them). I agree, the D-pad is the worst D-pad ever made (Sony and Nintendo D-pads are the best). Nothing wrong with left analog stick etc... you know why?

First, i can play with my PS3 and Xbox360 controller easily, second, for MS only owners the D-pad and left analog stick should be on the same side. I mean, its like saying: "Sony, cmon, put the D-pad and analog sticks in their proper place", hell NO!!!

Well, personally.... to me, Xbox 360 controller is the best "standard" controller ever made, just the D-pad sucks donkey balls.
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KentBlake  +   516d ago
A D-Pad that actually works.
Rechargeable batteries.
N0S3LFESTEEM  +   516d ago
That and better triggers... something with more of a mechanical feel.
deSSy2724  +   515d ago
Triggers are good.... i have no problems with them (ok, maybe even more precision) but overall, triggers are fine.

Well, the D-pad really sucks....
matchu_peechu  +   516d ago
Make the Xbox home button a touch button, as well as the D-Pad.
Make the batteries only rechargeable so that you can't remove them, taking away the bulge in the back of the controller
The feel of the controller is great the way it is.
Keep the buttons the same.
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Tzunoy  +   516d ago
is good as it is maybe a little smaller and lighter.
bullymangLer  +   516d ago
the D-pad is bad . . i had to memorize how to use it . that aint a good thing . .the problem is it's wide and webbed shape . .just leave it like sony's and Nintendo's d-pad, without the webbing . . . everything else bout the 360 controller is cumfy indeed . .
ambientFLIER  +   516d ago
They can't without violating patents. That's why it's like this in the first place.
DragonKnight  +   516d ago
That's not true. Sony and Nintendo have the same D-Pad, they don't pay license fees to each other and they both can't own the same patent. MS can easily use a d-pad without the webbing.
K1W1  +   516d ago
No, I'm pretty sure that ambientFLIER is right. Nintendo has a patent on the classic d-pad (+) design.

Sony's pad is slightly different opting for four independent buttons (up,down,left,right)

Microsoft's d-pad reminds me a lot of the old Sega Master system's pad. Too loose and not precise enough.
Yodagamer  +   516d ago
Actually Nintendo's patent expired in 05. Sony and Microsoft can use it. The vita is one of the first ones to use the shape on a Sony product
bullymangLer  +   515d ago
ahhh . ehhh . . ohhhh h hhh
deSSy2724  +   515d ago
Nintendos patent has already expired... and others companies are still copying Sony, MS and Nintendo controllers in general.... and nothing happens.

The Nintendo and Sony d-pad are similar (remove the plastic and see it for yourself) but they ARE NOT THE SAME THING @Dragon
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ambientFLIER  +   516d ago
Besides the d-pad, it's as good as it gets.
greenpowerz  +   516d ago
I agree. Change the D-Pad but keep the disc style(don't like the D-pad only being 4 buttons like the Dualshock) Make the guide button a bit smaller or speard start and back buttons a bit. Other than that I can't see a better design. Size and shape are perfect.

The new transforming D-pad controller is probably a true next gen idea that if, improved apon would be the best solution in D-pad design in the history of consoles.
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3GenGames  +   516d ago
Why is everyone saying "Internal rechargeable!" that's a BAD idea. It WILL eventually die, the best batteries today only last so long. 2 Years on a laptop battery, and a few hundred charges on cell batteries. So, why would you want a controller only to work for 2 years? I wouldn't want that. I'd rather have an add-on rechargeable, but I want a CORD with my controller. I never play with my 360 controller unplugged after getting the plug and charge kit.
cee773  +   516d ago
yet it only cost about $5 bucks every 3 years to change no biggie imo, most people dont have rechargeable AA batteries most people I know with 360's went the whole gen on regular batteries.
DigitalRaptor  +   516d ago
Lithium ion standard and longevity is only going to get better and cheaper as time goes on. It's the natural standard for most modern technology, so I think keeping up with the generation's standards is a better idea than forcing something that COULD be more expensive and bothersome in the long run.

Personally I don't want to have to swap out and recharge batteries for a controller. And I've had my DualShock 3 on rotation for 4 years now. Not run out of steam yet.
cl1983  +   516d ago
If you could swap out the lithium batteries with a new one similar to a cell phone, I definitely would support internal batteries.

edited to fix sentence structure.
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Horny  +   516d ago
Ive had two sixaxis controllers since the ps3 launched still running strong, they outlasted my 60gig console and I still use them. Never bothered to buy a ds3 since i had two controllers.Dont see where you got the whole idea of them lasting only 2 years from.
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Jek_Porkins  +   516d ago
Just hope they use the transforming D-pad like on the newer Xbox 360 controllers, aside from that, the controller is perfect. That is strictly my opinion though.
rickybadman  +   516d ago
They should add paddles in the back like Scuf Gaming controllers. After you get used to them they are great to used, plus I always felt the controller needs more buttons for more complex games to take advantage of.
Sp1d3ynut  +   516d ago
Something like this, but don't change the sticks or triggers.

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AO1JMM  +   516d ago
Needs a d-pad
Sp1d3ynut  +   516d ago
I don't play fighting games, so I wouldn't miss it. Very few games other than fighters make good use of the D-pad.
DigitalRaptor  +   516d ago
"Very few games other than fighters make good use of the D-pad."

Erm, I think you'd be surprised at the inaccuracy of that statement. What is good use? Almost every game I've played has D-pad functionality that makes sense and is useful having.
Axonometri  +   516d ago
Does M$ even want controllers on their next gen media streamer?
sandman224  +   516d ago
Just eliminate the battery pack, because I don't like how the battery pack makes your fingers feel out of place and cramped. Instead make an internal battery. Keep the controller the exact same as the wired 360 controller with the new d pad that was recently introduced and wireless of course.
Myst  +   516d ago
As others stated the D-Pad but other than that I thought it was a rather good controller. Still kind of miss it from time to time.
AO1JMM  +   516d ago
Better D-pad and internal battery and that is it.
StreetsofRage  +   516d ago
The controller definitely is the best in the biz. The d pad has been fixed with the never ones. I would like to see the ability to remap buttons anyway I choose. Plus a few extra buttons on the back. It would make it much easier for me to jet pack in Halo 4 since I use bumper jumper
Veni Vidi Vici  +   516d ago
The right analog stick needs to be a trackball. It makes for more accurate and quicker aiming in shooters. The amount of auto aim that is required to compensate for how slow and inaccurate analog sticks are is amazing.
ufo8mycat  +   516d ago
The analog stick is only inaccurate if you are not use to it or have no skill.

After a month or too, you can aim pretty easily with the analog stick.
If its too slow for you, just increase the sensitivity. I usually always have it maxed, that way can pull off head shots quicker.
Veni Vidi Vici  +   516d ago
Sorry, try playing even a mediocre player with a mouse and see how much you get schooled. Console players will never admit to it but it's the truth. Even at it's highest sensitivity, it doesn't even come close to a M+KB. Oh, and the main reason you're even able to hit anything is because of the auto aim. You people have gotten so used to it that you don't realize how much is really there. It's the only way people can play shooters on a console. Get rid of the auto aim and people wouldn't play them.
matrixman92  +   516d ago
can someone tell me whats wrong with the Dpad, because u really dont know. Everyone is just saying get a better one, or fix it...what exactly do people find wrong with it?
theWB27  +   516d ago
It was largely unresponsive and cheap feeling compared to the rest of the controller. That was when it first released.
level 360  +   516d ago
Ergonomics I think XBox360 is the best out there. It would be great though if Microsoft could mold all the trigger buttons with much softer touch plastics like the ones they use for the thumb sticks.
ufo8mycat  +   516d ago
It's pretty much a fact that the 360 controller has the best ergonomics.

I really really hope they don't change much. The controller is pretty much perfect.

I was debating perhaps swapping the right analog stick with the face buttons, that way the right analog stick will also be in the natural position of the thumb, since that is used more then the face buttons.

I guess it depends on what game though.
HexxedAvenger  +   516d ago
The D-pad.... that is all. Other than that, the controller is fine just the way it is.
biRdy  +   516d ago
D-Pad of course, switch to a usb charger (like the ps3 controller) and maybe split the bumpers to add in 2 more buttons.
plmkoh  +   516d ago
Get rid of the resistance you get from the thumbsticks, with FPS games adding stuff like acceleration on turning speed, it's just a hindrance.
alousow  +   516d ago
the controller is just too fat n heavy
BLKxSEPTEMBER  +   516d ago
Add controller face plates. That would be hot! Other wise leave it be...
ironmonkey  +   516d ago
dont do anything its perfect
aftershock  +   516d ago
Move the right stick to where the abxy buttons are. Mutch like the wii u pro controller.
deathsarm  +   516d ago
one extra button that will be used for a build-in mic when you bush you button you can talk and internal battery
cleverusername  +   516d ago
Put a fanny magnet in it so they can pop their cherries at last!

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