NE: "Developers and publishers from around the world gathered at the D.I.C.E. Summit earlier this week. For Wii U, the main piece of news stemming from the event concerns the delay of Rayman Legends. But that's not all: there's another concerning Wii U update to discuss."
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Which game do you guys think this could be?
The Wii U has sold 3 million units to date. Even though CoD sells a lot, did they really expect it to sell millions? That would be a ridiculously high attach rate.
Edit:@ LOLo_WUT. ZombiU sold a few hundred thousand,so it can't be that. It's got to be CoD or Assasins Creed.
This sounds like a excuse for devs to not make games for the Wii U.
That said, the Wii U is in its infancy, and I wonder if the expectations were for the console to sell a lot more, thereby increasing sales of the game, or if it was for the actual game to sell millions and have a high attach rate.
Either way, with this and Rayman Legends coming to PS3/360 (which I'm personally happy about), the recent gloom seems worrying, and like always, I expect Nintendo-made exclusives to pick up the slack while the third party train halts and flips focus to PS4/Nextbox
CoD: I knew there wasn't going to be a huge install base to play online with, so I bought it on XBOX like most of my friends, so we can play online MP.
AC3: I bought it for the PS3 because of the bonus content, and that's where I've played all other AC games.
As for other multi-platform games like Batman, Mass Effect, etc... I already played those and wasn't willing to buy them again... especially at full retail.
Those in the industry should expect initial sales of any console to be mostly made by dedicated gamers who aren't committed to just one platform. The dedicated gamers are the ones who buy games and hardware on day 1. Those in the industry shouldn't expect those dedicated gamers to buy games at full price that they've already played 6 months ago. The problem is they had unrealistic expectations, and didn't consider many factors.
And this "did they really expect it to sell millions?" is 100% truth, the same we can see on all other platforms. Did CoD ever sold in 60-75 mil PS3 copies? did CoD ever sold in 60-75 Xbox 360 copies? did CoD ever sold in 80-100 mil Wii copies? did CoD ever sold in 200-500 mil (random number) PC copies? answer to that question is simply NO.
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It's currently sat at 40,000 units sold Worldwide. If this has annoyed EA, then it's they're own stupid fault porting a game whose fanbase is purely on PS3/360/PC.
Had they ported the entire trilogy, they would have achieved better sales. They charged full price for the game while at the same time, releasing the trilogy sets on PC/360/PS3. No logic whatsoever. It was a pure cash grab considering they didn't put much effort into the Wii Us second screen.
It could also be Fifa 13 or Madden, which again, were half-arsed ports from EA.
I don't believe it's Activision or Ubisoft considering the sales for their games look quite respectable considering the bulk of them are ports. Ubisoft have sold 690,000 games and Activision have sold 320,000 games in total, while EA have only sold 120,000 games. All three of EAs titles were big franchises too.
This Wii U doom article doesn't sound like a sensationalized Wii U doom article. I'm worried about this console.
This sounds like a excuse for devs to not make games for the Wii U"
That's right, developers are just LOOKING for an excuse to have a smaller potential amount of buyers. /s
What were you saying about "illogical"? He wasn't talking about on the spot sales, he was talking about over time. The idea is that WiiU isn't looking good for healthy as possible software sales.
Even if it wound up another GameCube I'd be happy as that was one of the best consoles ever. Bring me Metroid, Zelda, Paper Mario, Star Fox, Kid Icarus, SSB, Fire Emblem, Xenoblade, and whatever 3rd party games like SMT, Tales, Twewy, and other RPGs come its way. It's a good sigh that Nin seems to have secured Dragon Quest exclusivity, Monster Hunter exclusivity, and SMT exclusivity along with Bayonetta 2 and another Platinum Games exclusive the P101 game. That's a powerful handful of games for Japan.
Expecting multi-platform games to sell on Wii U when everyone already has a PS3 or 360 is frankly stupid.
"Expecting multi-platform games to sell on Wii U when everyone already has a PS3 or 360 is frankly stupid."
This is so true. Ironically, the multi-platform games that Nintendo have always wanted won't get them anywhere on the Wii U. Until the PS4 or NeXtbox is released Nintendo is competing with the PS3 and Xbox 360, and there is little reason to invest in the Nintendo's system when everyone already owns a system of similar power from their competitors. They need exclusives, not multiplatform titles, now more than ever.
I think it would be in Nintendo's favor for Sony and Microsoft to release their consoles sooner rather than later. Nintendo can't compete with this generation -- they can only compete with the next.
Nintendo Fans and fanboys buy Nintendo hardware for NINTENDO games, this has been proven time and time again, Sony and Microsoft consoles are bought for their own exclusives AND the PS3/360 'Exclusives' which may or may not be multiplatform with eachother, but simply exclude the Wii and now the Wii U.
either that or COD
For the "game" to sell Millions...it would have had to literally ship with every console.
It's an ignorant expectation and he is just jumping on the bandwagon.
By E3, the Nintendo is dying stuff will go away a bit and the focus will be hopefully more positive for all 3 Major gaming companies.
Edit: Curious to know why you decided to put quotes around "game". Do you think that it wasn't, in fact, a game that undersold but some other product like a lamp or a pair of shoes?
I can't believe the language and concept seem to be beyond your reach. That being the case, you have no reason to ever bring the intellectual capabilities of anyone into question. In fact, I'd recommend that you refrain from commenting at all.
Edit: Also I hope these devs realise that a lot of Wii U early adopters are core gamers and so probably have a 360/ps3 as well. This is why games like assassins creed arriving 3 weeks later on the wii U essentially negates any possibility of it selling huge numbers.
ZombiU is an exclusive AAA title and sold poorly.
Exclusive titles are expected to sell load even if they're not top quality (like Motorstorm and Resistance on PS3) because early adopters are expected to purchase titles not available on other platforms.
That said...I expected it because Nintendo fans buy Nintendo consoles only for exclusives, that's the story that goes on from Nintendo 64 up to today.
doing that doesn't cost nearly as much as making a game from ground up.
Sounds like a drama queen reported this.
I cannot understand why. Maybe because Wii U games are ports of older games? Maybe because the Declassified game you put on Vita sucked?
Capcom are happy with Monster Hunter on Wii U. So clearly Wii U can't be doing that badly.
Give the systems some time for crying out loud. Seems every system is an instant flop these days.
Since it didn't cost Activision anything, there is no reason for them to complain.
I don't think it's any MP that people are complaining over. Batman, AC3, COD have all made their money back and tons of profit on top. I don't think it would have cost millions to port to the WiiU and then Millions copies to be sold to break even.
I would go with ZombieU as it has been made from the ground up for the WiiU as an Exclusive, had a big marketing campaign and it has only sold just over 320k to date. DmC with all the backlash has sold more and Anarchy Reigns has only sold 100k less with next to no marketing.
Considering how much Ubisofts was backing and promoting the WiiU since its announcement and praising it, compared to how much the console and game have sold, it must be a little disappointing. Possibly why Rayman Legends has been delayed and gone multiplat.
With the US, I'm not sure what (one) game could do that for Nintendo, unless it is a casual title.
The problem with FPS is that many of the players have communities set-up on their current consoles. They may be drawn back to an Online FPS because all of their friends are on the Server. --
WiiU's Community is young, I hear good things about it; but it would be a hard switch if everyone I knew was on Xbox Live.
--That is why they are being kind of ridiculous expecting a 3 month old console to sell like hotcakes and make hotcakes.
"The Wii U port is known in Japan as Monster Hunter 3G HD Ver., and was released on December 8, 2012 when the Wii U launched in Japan"
Capcom has so many versions and names it is hard to keep track.
But WiiU was 1st and 2nd during that time period.
I haven't played it yet on any Plat' waiting for the N.A. WiiU version to jump in.
There was literally none of that in your comment. Silly.
In truth, once Monster Hunters drops WiiU will be 2nd on the Hardware Charts in Japan. --Another spike with Dragon Quest X.
>When I spoke of time- I was wrong.
But the truth is during the 2nd weeks of Monster Hunter's release in Japan- WiiU was 1st and then 2nd in Hardware Sales.
And then unless you see the future or have different Dragon Quest franchise sales facts... - the Dragon Quest X (truth) is yet to be proven.
So, Troll me when DQX drops.
They're not stupid, they invest lots of money/resources/time to make games.
If the sales don't pay off, they have to make cut on forthcoming products.
Lately we've seen how game studios can die easily, very easily, like THQ despite the very good quality of some of their products.
There is NEVER time to wait, especially for WiiU that is technically current gen and we're just one step for the real next gen.
That's why a crippled machine (like WiiU, mostly because it was released late) is bad for the industry, because it sucks money that could fund something else.
I think we'll see the same thing here, Nintendo have done the exact same thing, no games for ages and then a bunch of rushed first party names.
I'm sick of stupid a$$ third party companies that don't understand logistics. The console just launched, your games, like Black Ops and Mass Effect, were full price on Wii U but half or discounted for the PS3 and Xbox 360.
Most Wii U owners are multiplat gamers. If you want your games to sell, you can't low ball Wii U owners with less content than other versions, at a higher price.
EA sucks balls anyway. I don't even want to play their crap on the Xbox 360 or PS3. We all know EA and Nintendo have a shaky business relationship, we know they aren't going to support the Wii U. So i'm moving on.
Communicate, Entertain) has anything to do with EA's Digital Illusions CE studio.
Also, your off-topic rant made me laugh BTW.
Most of EA's games don't even sell millions on the PS360, so they're not going to just assume their games are going to sell millions on a console that doesn't even have a fanbase.
Like others had said, it's probably Zombie U because that game was supposed to be a system seller for core gamers.
FIFA: 9million+
Battlefield 3: 12million+
Crysis 2: 2million+
Burnout paradise: 3million+
Need for speedMW: 2.3million+
Need for speed Shift: 4million+
Dead space: 3million+
Dead Space 2: 2.5million+
Medal of Honour: 5million+
Mass Effect 2: 4million+
Mass Effect 3: 3.7million+
Dante's Inferno: 2million+
Dragon Age: 4million+
Rock Band: 4million+
Granted not all their games sell like COD or FIFA but most break the million mark, and 3million mark if released as multiplatform titles.
Why is this because Trolls, Biased Game Journalist, and Analyst like Pachter matter... even when the stuff they are saying is illogical.
The wiiU is looking more and more like the Gamecube to me, something I might pick up when the Gen is over. That all depends if Nintendo start making good games again like on the Cube.
"Give the systems some time for crying out loud. Seems every system is an instant flop these days."
This may sound harsh,but how about you stop eating and paying bills for few months...
However, given that they reference, "tens of thousands" I would assume it's something like Arkham City or Mass Effect.
The sales will pick up when Nintendo starts to release their games and 3rd parties will want some of that pie.
The worst case scenario would be that the console will be like N64 This wasn't bad and some of the best fun I had was with that console. But Nintendo have more studios and can release more games so even if it's only Nintendo and a few Japanese companies making the games I would still be happy...that's why I bought the console in the first place, for its exclusives, not multiplatforms.
MS has 21
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Nintendo has 18
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Sony has 12
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You can't trust anything you read about Nintendo on that site.
please let nintendo be ok.
"The Vita's only doing bad because it was designed for Western gamers! Wait until the USA release!"
"What? It sold badly there too? Wait till E3!"
"Wait till COD Black Ops Declassified!"
"What? COD had a 32% Metacritic? Well, You can't judge the Vita until the first holiday!"
"It's selling within expectations, even though Sony had to cut the original sales prediction by half!"
"Wait until E3 (again!)"
It is exactly the same and deflecting to the Vita doesn't change the fact the Wii U is dying a death both at retail and in games.
As a Sony fanboy I tell you that Sony shouldn't have ever release an handheld, no PSP, no Vita, because in my opinion portable gaming is good only for very casual games like the ones on appStore.
The double standards have got to go! Wouldn't a fanboy called by any other name, still be considered a fanboy?
I mean the only reason for low sales are games we already played or the people who would buy it don't have the cash. I'm really curious about the other twos prices. Could the money just not be there? Or are the games just not a big enough draw? This is why sonys hype makes them do so much better. Nintendo needs more hype.
--Oops, sorry I just realized that you are only allowed to make a generalization about the users here on N4G only if it paints Sony fans in a negative light.
--Ooops, oh wait, that was another generalization wasn't it... I think I should stop talking now..
lol man, with that said I'm not really seeing the denial you are talking about. Most here are either trying to figure out which games they are referring to in terms of "should be selling millions" or giving legitimate explanations on how one could expect a game to sell millions on a platform with only 3 million in the wild. Such a feat would require an incredibly and perhaps record breaking attach rate.
I wanted a nintendo console this gen. Now im prolly going with PS4. Pc as well of course, cant do w/o shooters.
still... NES is my favorite gamebox of all time.
It seems to me from speaking to developers (I interview people for a living), there are ZERO complaints about Wii U development.
Sales, on the other hand, aren't 100% Nintendo's problem. If you look at Call of Duty: Black Ops 2, Activision never mentioned Wii U in ANY of its advertising. And when Wii U was released, they ran ZERO commercials about it, or its special Wii U exclusive features.
Even now you have to hunt on its website for references to the Wii U version.
Obviously, Nintendo can't hack into Activison's marketing plans and force them to make a song and dance about the Wii U version, so how can you blame Nintendo for not selling COD on Wii U? Why is it up to them to advertise it?
In fact, you could argue that Nintendo do MORE advertising than Xbox 360, and certainly PlayStation 3. Miiverse is basically a huge, free ad resource for publishers. Who knows, maybe Nintendo ask for money to get Miiverse communities on the front page? Even if that's not the case, Miiverse is still there, attracting people over to check out games they dont own. Xbox might feature DLC on the dashboard, PlayStation has nothing...
Wii U's problem is mostly media, though. Seems like commercial gaming news websites HATE Wii U for some reason. Everyone I know that owns one, loves it. Could there be more games? Sure. But there's already over 60 and it has been on sale for less than 3 months.
I LOL at what EA said about the Wii U to their investers. They said even if certain companies call their systems next gen, we're still waiting for Gen 4.
I also LOL at the fact the Link vs Spider tech demo Nintendo had running was using the early mock up Wii U that had a HD4850. and the final retail system has a HD4650. We wont see gfx like that from the Wii U. All it has going for it is 1st party exclusives. Even when Battlefield 4 is announced, its going to get the PS360 port rather than a ground up next gen PC, PS Orbis and Durango version.