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Naughty Dog wants to change the industry by rising above the 'idiot plot'

PSU writes:

"Shortly after my hands-on demo with The Last of Us, I was fortunate enough to sit down with Minkoff and discuss the studio's role as the foremost leader in advancing games as a narrative art form. Minkoff first shared an amusing anecdote: "People were like, 'What do you want to do with this game?' and [Neil Druckmann, Creative Director] said, 'I want to change the f***ing industry, man.'"

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j-blaze1324d ago (Edited 1324d ago )

is it me or ND always talk about how skillful and amazing they are but also forgetting that there are better devs, even probably laughing at their stupid statements?
many devs work hard, made better games and revolutionized the gaming industry...legendary devs like Kamiya, Mikami, Kojima, Sakaguchi, Miyamoto all are humble and down to earth never acted for once like ND
Mikami made a revolutionary game RE4 and invented over the shoulder camera view which is now a standard for third person shooters, and David Cage made a whole new genre did they ever mentioned things about owning a specific genre, change the industry or the game used that percentage of that console's power? no!

why ND is acting all cocky is beyond me but one thing is for sure.. they have no respect for other developers

@ GamersRulz

i've read the article, i'm just talking about them in general, read this http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... ND generalized storytelling in games are poor now, what about uncharted? and to be honest TLoU look nothing special or groundbreaking

DatNJDom811324d ago

j-blaze seems to be confusing Naughty Dog with turn 10.

Cupid_Viper_31324d ago (Edited 1324d ago )

I think that N4G should have a rule where if you only have one bubble, then you shouldn't be able to get the first comment on an article because historically, what you have to say is usually of little value to the conversation.

I don't think I've ever found it necessary to reply to any of your comments J-Blaze. It seems as though your sole purpose is to annoy people most of time.

This is similar to when Lebron James said that the league would be better if there were less teams, and people got upset with him. It's almost as if they really believe that they understand the game of Basketball better then Lebron James himself....I'm sure there are plenty of things that Lebron don't know, but the game of basketball would not be on list as he's been playing it his whole life, statistically only the 12th player in the history of the game to have 20,000 points, 5000 assists, and 5000s rebounds, yet he's only 28. So he understands it better then most, which is one of the many reasons why he's better then most.

Similar thing for Naughty Dog here. These guys aren't one-hit-wonders dev who luckily got famous. These guys are legit veteran who, generation after generations, have managed to put out new and compelling games, and most recently, the most awarded game for this entire generation in Uncharted 2.

Every medium has its masters, and there exists no one better qualified to critic its respective medium then the masters themselves. And you better believe that Naughty Dogs are Master Developers buddy.

"and David Cage made a whole new genre did they ever mentioned things about owning a specific genre, change the industry or the game used that percentage of that console's power? no!"

Here's what David Cage had to say today actually
http://n4g.com/news/1169417...

Like I said, TLoU got you all bitter since its announcement, and Kojima among many others devs were in awe of the AI in the game, except for you of course. And we all know it's because you've seen it all before and those guys haven't right?

vickers5001324d ago

"Every medium has its masters, and there exists no one better qualified to critic its respective medium then the masters themselves."

Not agreeing with JBlaze here, but are you saying that a developers view on a game is more important/factual than just some regular joe who enjoys games?

There have been some really good developers who have said some really stupid things about games, so are we supposed to ignore everyone elses opinions on games and listen to them? Consumers have just as much credibility to give an opinion on a game as the developers themselves. You don't have to be a developer to recognize a good or a bad game, just as you don't have to be a film director to recognize a good movie. Your opinion on quality holds no more and no less merit regardless of who you are, the creator or the critic.

Now if we're talking about the actual development process (coding, optimization, tech stuff) then yeah, devs opinions hold a lot more weight, but when it comes to being able to identify a quality game, everyone is on the same ground, you don't need to be an expert in games development to recognize something great or terrible. You just have to have an opinion of your own, preferably a well thought out opinion and not just some hatred spewing nonsense.

TheGamerDood1324d ago (Edited 1324d ago )

When critics like Adam Sessler react to your games like this I think you're entitled to be a little cocky.
http://youtu.be/HA2cuwYSIqs...

007Bond1324d ago

Yes shut up fanboy they made copy and paste sequels on Uncharted. ROCKSTAR is the company to beat and they're not even close.

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GamersRulz1324d ago

as a fellow gamer, I encourage you to read the article.

you are welcome.

Gran Touring1324d ago

What are you talking about? Naughty Dog is far from cocky if you ask me. Even if they weren't so humble like you claim, the quality they put into each of their games has lauded them to be one of the best studios in the industry, regardless.

And what's wrong with trying to change the industry? I applaud ND on their endeavors to continuously progress the industry through innovation and creativity, and would sincerely hope their attitude could inspire other studios to think likewise.

xursz1324d ago (Edited 1324d ago )

I think you're reading it wrong. He didn't insult anybody, really, he's just showing his ambition in this interview. By 'idiot plot' he meant that when the character makes a decision it should be a believable one, and not one that makes you scratch your head like 'Wtf, I would've just walked the other way, why is it that I'm FORCED to walk into this dang ambush when I, as the player, can see it coming but my character can't.'

It explains it in the article.

**To clarify what he meant by parallelism in storytelling, Minkoff explained, "There's a cinematic term called an 'idiot plot.' An idiot plot is when a character makes a choice that the audience wouldn't make. It's like, don't go through that door! And it's very important to us that we do it right, that we make you - every moment - buy into what the characters are feeling and make you feel the same way."**

Seems the quality control department is in good hands at Naughty Dog.

edit:
Why didn't I realize I was replying to a stealth troll. Carry on.

pandaboy1324d ago

It's kind of ironic since 'idiot plot' seems to sum up the uncharted series actually.

kneon1324d ago

They are being pretty ambitious though, if you look at most stories, whether they be in books, movies or games, the story very often requires people to make stupid decisions. If they made the right decision right up front most stories would be very short.

onyoursistersback1324d ago

lol....you talk about other developers that i have NEVER HURD OF!
I think the list you gave sucks, Naughy Dog is one of the best out there!
I was going to bubble you down, but much like that list..."you have nothing"
:D

GribbleGrunger1324d ago (Edited 1324d ago )

So, do you think that Naughty Dog goes out seeking the press so that they can make these statements, or do you think the press seeks out Naughty Dog and asks them specific questions?

You know, Kojima visited Naughty Dogs studio for a reason and they've won awards for a reason too. This industry needs studios like Naughty Dog and men Like David Cage. David Cage said that the industry needs to grow up but I think he was being gentle to be honest. The gamer need to grow up too, but will he/she? N4G makes me doubt this on a daily basis.

These are the sort of people that would watch The Road and Mad Max and think they were both 'just' post-apocalyptic flicks.

Nimblest-Assassin1324d ago (Edited 1324d ago )

Sigh... J-blaze, here is something I honestly do not understand. You claim ND is cocky and arrogant and have no respect for other developers. But what is your proof?

ND is not using "idiot plot" to insult devs... its a term used when a character makes choices that do not make sense practically to the player.

ND is not insulting any other developers they just want to go beyond and do something better. How is this wrong? They are not criticizing other devs. They want to try to be better... and thats cocky?

Hell they respect other devs, did you purge Kojima visiting ND to see the last of us? Remember how much Kojima is interested in this game, and you were in so much denial you try to dismiss your own idols claims as lies? Seriously? Do you not understand ND respects and has the respect of multiple devs? Watch any of their DICE keynotes, commentary and you can see that

And the funny thing is... some of the devs you respect are more arrogant and cocky than you claim ND is.

Kamiya raves and rants on other developers, and when someone criticizes him he gets all defensive and attacks those people

You respect Cliffy B, A guy who claims other devs have no idea how to make their own games, and trys to pass of like he knows how to fix their games, but makes no attempt to prove it, and just makes statements for the sake of making statements

And finally David Cage. David cage is one of the most arrogant in the business. He litterally held a DICE keynote 2 days ago and claimed todays devs have no idea what they are doing, that they need hollywood to help and they are not innovative... when he essentially made a quick time event movie... and Shenmue did it first... not Indigo prophecy or heavy rain

You claim ND is arrogant with zero proof, and yet you respect some of the most arrogant in the business whom you can find proof of their arrogance with no effort whatsoever

CGI-Quality1324d ago

At this point in time, anything regarding Naughty Dog from you should be flagged as IGNORE :)

OT: Can't wait to see The Last Of Us's impact on the industry.

cpayne931324d ago

"TLoU look nothing special or groundbreaking"

The atmosphere, characters, and tension in this game looks incredible. You may dislike the people at ND, but they're work is amazing. Btw I remember when Kojima spent some time with ND at the last e3... I seem to remember you being quite upset about that. smh.

Gamer19821324d ago

@j-blaze.. Just wow.. Since PS1 ND hasn't made one bad game they are legendary in their own rights.. There lineup of games is legendary. There not many more skillful if more skillful. The things they did with PS3 nobody did better. They may have matched but didnt do better..

EmperorDalek1324d ago

I thought Jak II was pretty bad...

AznGaara1324d ago

Sigh...

"An idiot plot is when a character makes a choice that the audience wouldn't make."

Your welcome.

Riderz13371324d ago

You should have 0 bubbles and please do us all a favor and gtfo from this site.

ps3_pwns1324d ago

50 disagrees lol. Had you read the article this may have not happend. With that said naughty dog is awesome and if anyone can do it they can.

cpayne931324d ago

It's j-blaze it would have happened anyway. He despises ND for some reason.

wenaldy1324d ago

Yo, j-blaze..

Get the fu*k out!!

*waits till marked for personal attack*

Pissed me off

Ezz20131324d ago

j-blaze never dissappoint
he will always be in every ND article oing what he do always
say something lame and BS
and every one fall for it
guys just ignore him

DigitalRaptor1324d ago (Edited 1324d ago )

Ha! j-blaze getting a whip-snapping, and not just from me this time.

How does this fool know that the other devs are "better"? How does he know they "work harder"? How does he know they "make better games" when ND games are recognised and awarded industry wide and not just by a bunch of reviewers?

He doesn't know, he just reads quotes and headlines and watches short gameplay clips without context and claims he knows developers and their games and their design choices. This is just another j-blaze 'bitter & butthurt' again and again.

"David Cage made a whole new genre did they ever mentioned things about owning a specific genre, change the industry".

Are you new to gaming Mr Blaze?? Or do you just not have your eyes open to the PC platform, to which the adventure game has existed for decades. or even a game like Shenmue from the master Suzuki-san. Not only this but David Cage has had this to say for a long time: http://n4g.com/news/1169417... His words are more consistently arrogant than Naughty Dog representatives have ever been.

"they have no respect for other developers"

Says who? You? After 3 generations as solid AAA developers who are bringing out a sensational looking game in The Last of Us, they can be as cocky as they want. As long as their games are always up to the same standard.

"TLoU look nothing special or groundbreaking"

LOL, again your hate for the company supersedes your ability to judge a game on its own merits. Give us actual reasons that can't be proved against, and you will have a point. Otherwise GTFO.

There is a reason you get whipped so bad in replies. So it would really help if you knew what you were talking about before you commented.

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Knight_Crawler1324d ago (Edited 1324d ago )

@ Naughty Dog - Kojima, Quantic Dreams, Team ICO and a few other says hi.

I love Uncharted but ND need to stop thinking that they are gods gift to gaming.

You dont see Kojima or Shigeru Miyamoto acting like this.

CGI-Quality1324d ago

Another misinformed user. They just don't learn (nor read).

Reverent1324d ago (Edited 1324d ago )

They don't. In fact, they are pretty modest. Try reading the article, and don't say you did, because your comment says otherwise. People really need to stop posting their comments based on their interpretations of an article's title on this site..

Also, off topic, but I am getting REALLY sick and tired of those stupid Black Ops 2 ads every time I click a damn link around here. That commercial really is not even that funny. (For anyone who doesn't know what I'm talking about, just disregard this last part of my comment)

hulk_bash19871324d ago

Haha some one isn't to keen on reading the article before jumping on that high horse.

deSSy27241323d ago

ND never act like that.... even if they make awesome games, they never bash others/competition for no reasons. Even if they are in partnership with Sony they never bash Nintendo developers or systems for example..... more than that, they even praised Nintendo in general numerous times (example N64, some Nintendo games, Wii U etc).... just google damn it AND PLS READ THE ARTICLE!!

ND is one of the best developers in the industry..... they really are.

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hulk_bash19871324d ago

Lol yeah how bout you read the article before making assumptions.

KwietStorm1324d ago (Edited 1324d ago )

Holy shit..9 disagrees? I was referring to 'idiot plot,' its right there in the title. Assumptions? Assumptions about WHAT? It sounded funny, so I laughed. This is why so many people have a problem with this site. You can't say anything without someone ASSUMING some other motive and downvoting you for it. I never even mentioned Naughty Dog. I love the hell out of Naughty Dog. Amazing..

sdozzo1324d ago

Sadly, that's how n4g rolls... Too many people read titles and post.

hulk_bash19871324d ago (Edited 1324d ago )

Ohh okay that's my bad, vague comment is vague. I guess I'll eat my words and apologize, sorry about that.

Hicken1324d ago

Given all the crap that just happened above you, you didn't think to give your comment some context?

Be mad if you want, but you really only have yourself to blame for making such a vague comment.

KwietStorm1324d ago

Jesus man give it a rest. There was nothing at all vague about my comment. People who disagreed just took it out of context because, like was already discussed, too much assuming going on. I didn't read any other comments before I wrote mine, and half of them weren't there anyway, because they're replies. You're kidding yourself if you think I'm gonna blame myself for someone else's ignorance. To your own point, I'm still getting disagrees AFTER the explanation to my "vague" comment, when it really ain't that serious.

Zefros1324d ago

If some of you guys READ the article, you would have known what naughty dog MEANT by IDIOT plot. Some people are just to stupid to understand...

poopsack1324d ago

About the Telltale Walking Dead Comparison comment, the game was fine and all but I've found it easier to become emotionally invested in what little Ive seen of TLOU than the entire TWD series, simply cause of animation and visuals involved. At this point you might be thinking "OHMERGERD GRAPHICS IDIOT" but the point is the cartoonish animation, simple geometry and muddy shaders in telltales game made it difficult to become that invested in its events. And its cinematography could've made up for it (cause being cartoony isn't necessarily bad for drama) but it wasnt quite there. Not hating on TWD, but Im just saying comparisons isnt a thing Naughty Dog is really gonna have to deal with. I never even thought about it until this point.

Norrison1324d ago (Edited 1324d ago )

Only characters I really got invested with were lee, carley and clem.
Last of Us, if performed right, will be a masterpiece.

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