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The Wii U isn’t Trying to Outpower Anybody

One of the biggest talking points as we head into this next generation has been graphical power. Even more than in previous generations, comparisons of the power between the newly released Wii U and the upcoming Orbis and Durango have been constant, and never cease to incite fights. The reason, of course, is clear. With the Wii, it was very obvious that Nintendo wasn't trying to compete graphically, and the only real point of contention was whether graphics mattered; purely opinion. Now, however, Nintendo's taken a step into the HD realm, and the argument is no longer whether graphics matter, but if the Wii U is truly powerful enough to 'beat' the competition.

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NatureOfLogic1293d ago

"The Wii U isn’t Trying to Outpower Anybody"

Obviously.

GraveLord1293d ago

Yeah, that's because it couldn't even if it tried.

3-4-51293d ago

you realize there are SNES & N64 games with much worse graphics than today's games, that 80% of us would rather play than some of the garbage out today.

fun = most important

fun isn't just one thing though

linkofrs1292d ago

You do realize that Nintendo had cutting edge hardware in 4 out of the 6 console gens they've been in. If they wanted to make a powerful console again they could, would it benefit them in the long run.... probably not.

zerocrossing1293d ago (Edited 1293d ago )

But people will still complain about the Wii U being under powered...

As if graphics have ever been the "be all and end all" of gaming anyway, if that was the case many games from the 80's and 90's could never have succeeded on amazing gameplay, originality and story alone (You know the 3 things that are sorely lacking this gen)

Most people buy Nintendo consoles for the 1st party games and innovative tech, if you're not a fan of Nintendo now then chances are you probably never will be, there is a lot of hate for Nintendo over recent years but regardless of whether it's just or not, try to understand people are still going to buy Nintendo products and support them as long as they keep giving them what they want.

I've stated in my previous comments that Im not a fan of any of the big 3. Im a consumer 1st and foremost, if a company is offering me what I want I'll purchase it, if any of you want to pledge your allegiance to any of them that's your choice, but remember huge multi million $ faceless corporations don't see you as their friends, you are the source of their income and if ever they find a more lucrative source they wont think twice before turning their back on you.

DaPrintz1293d ago

Games in the 80's and 90's were made with best technology on offer at the time.

zerocrossing1293d ago (Edited 1293d ago )

@DaPrintz

True, but not all of them.

My point is still valid, many gamers back then didn't allow the graphics of games to dictate whether or not they enjoyed playing them, great graphics do count for something and they can make some games better, but it's just plain ridiculous that they take the priority over all else this gen.

Trunkz Jr1293d ago

Choose a system > Enjoy the games.

Why do you feel like you have to make sure your system is #1 because you want to feel like you didn't waste your money? I have a Wii U and i'll be getting a PS4, but I don't go around saying this is better then that, if ppl think it's all about power then the PC always wins making it ideal for games right? Not always the case.

MasterCratosKong661292d ago

agreed. the funny thing is i bet some of the people who go online bashing either secretly want to play the console they are bashing, or they already are. the ambiguity people have on the internet seems to bring out the worst in people

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wishingW3L1293d ago (Edited 1293d ago )

that's not the tune some fanboys were singing a couple of months ago....

But considering the hardware the Wii U has the console is way overpriced. No blu-ray playback, no HDD, 7 years old hardware for $350 is one of the biggest rip-off of our time and that's without mentioning its lack of 3rd party support that will only lead to fewer games than its competitors.

AbsoluteZelda1293d ago

It's not 7 year old hardware. It doesn't ahve blu-ray, it has proprietary discs, which hold the same capacity as blu-ray (50gb dual layered). It doesn't have harddrive, it has flash memory with a purposeful push for consumers to get external drives. It cut out the $100 HD price attached to most consoles.

The GPU isn't 7 year old tech, it's completely customized and has things 7 year old GPU's can't do. It's probably more around a 2010/2011 type capability set.

THe CPU is more efficient and proficient than an xbox 360 by 10 fold, if not more. THe Wii's processor alone was only 20% less performance wise.

bicfitness1293d ago (Edited 1293d ago )

Are you for real? The CPU is an overclocked, triple core broadway chip. That is the SAME CPU they've been using since the Gamecube - then the Wii, just clocked higher. The GPU is about 5 years old, middle of the line 4650 (2008).

Please read this and be quiet:

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

GPU is about 50% more powerful than the Xbox 360's BUT the CPU is massively weaker. The RAM is also crap, so there's little bandwidth to go around for pushing graphics. So we're left with a wash in power compared to the HD twins. You won't see 1080p, 60 FPS on the Wii U, ever; not on anything with any graphical demands or fidelity. Averaging out the age of the components, yes, 7 years is almost spot on. 10 for the CPU, 5 for the GPU, 7 falls right in the middle. The only thing diving up the price is the damned controller. Everything else is dirt cheap and made for efficiency (read: POWER efficiency, not gaming grunt). The Wii U will be to the PS4 and 720, what the Wii was to the PS360. That is fact. Accept it, move on. If you're a Nintendo fan, I don't know why you're surprised, this has been business as usual for them for years.

The threads on Beyond3D by people obviously much smarter than you at this would also be helpful.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

Edit: Zebra, by the die count the eagle eyes have pegged it as a 4650 with around 32 EDRAM. 4800 would actually be a good card with over double the pipelines. This is not a good card. Its a budget card from half a decade ago.

Edit 2: Yeah, that was just misinformation being spread Zebra. They confirmed from the cell count that it doesn't have more than 320 pipelines, so it can't be anything higher than a 4650/ 4670.

zebramocha1293d ago (Edited 1293d ago )

You're make the wiiu gpu seem way better than the ps360,it is but not to the extent you think,going by various articles,its gpu architecture may or may not be based of the rv770 gpu that power the 4800 series gpu by amd and the CPU is not the strong when compared to the ps360.

@bic I remember some one saying if the wiiu gpu wasn't the rumored 4850 it was likely a 4770.

linkofrs1292d ago

@bicfitness

I'm afraid your information is wrong. You shouldn't look up articles if you want accurate info. It also doesn't help that eurogamer is a bit biased. If you want real information go look around the neogaf forums, because these articles take information from them. Actually even digital foundry jumped the gun with their info as well and they're usually a reliable source. The cpu isn't massively weaker but it is weaker. Clock speed is actually a pretty poor way of judging certain components. Also the gpu is a minimum of 50% percent better because we only know what 65% of it does. There is more on the chip then people know. The whole console itself is probably a rough estimate of 50% more powerful then the consoles of this past gen. The cpu also isn't 3 broadway cores slapped together and after looking at the motherboard my self it seems like people are wrong about the bandwidth. Mainly due to the fact that people thing all of the system's ram is on one memory bus, but it really looks like its 2 memory buses(that would basically double the bandwidth). Also the edram caches are very useful and defiantly not 10 year old hardware. The gpu is about 2 years old in terms of architecture from what we know of it so far. However good software is what makes the console and Nintendo has known this for a while. Now Microsoft and Sony are going to push ahead and focus on how fun a the games are rather then how nice they look as well. Also all consoles have great AAA titles whether you like them or not. I personally don't enjoy halo very much, but its a very great game series. Also I am aware I am a bit biased but I try to get all of my information correct.

lilbroRx1293d ago

If the console is being sold at a loss, then how is it overpriced?

Starfox171293d ago

Are you for real get a life the wiiu has a

Modified E6760 like it or lump it the stock version scores higher than a HD4850/4870 and that's with 576 gigaflops compared to 1.1 terraflops work it out,it's basically a memory heavy E6760 basically it's a beast.

This is technology from 2011.

khowat1291d ago (Edited 1291d ago )

Well at least it's not $599.

khowat1291d ago

Well at least it's not $599

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Qrphe1293d ago

This should have been known the moment they introduced the expensive-looking controller on E3 2011. But no, instead we had tons of articles and fanboys believing the Wii U was going to be native 1080p 60fps across all multiplats and here we are now (oh, and some believe we'll magically start seeing 1080p 60fps games later on).

Starfox171293d ago

In the future all WiiU games will be 720p or 1080p Native at 60fps.

Benjaminkno1293d ago

because Nintendo knows that nobody cares about graphics... on Nintendo.

They are outmatched technologically, which is why Nintendo makes better games. They have to, or they would go out of business.

a_adji1293d ago

Nintendo was always pushing power and tech but after Iwata took over they went in a different direction.

It's not like they cant develop a over powered system but right now is that wise? will people buy? will people pay the price?

They are the only purist console developer thus far. MS/SONY is just a battle spanning from other tech and now they are about multimedia first and games second.

Nintendo, make mistakes and that is clear but they just need to push advertising and stop pushing the dam controller.

stuna11293d ago

I agree with you on Microsoft pushing multimedia first and games second! But how could you say Sony is in the same boat? From the perspective as I see it, Sony is the only one pumping out new IPS and still focusing on the core market, even at the risk to themselves.

a_adji1293d ago

PS2 was the start with the dvd player added, PS3, introduced media content and was capable of doing so and they used it as a trojan horse for the HD format wars. PS4 is now geared to be a media hub similar to what apple did with the iMac back in the days.

By doing this they attract non gamers to their product. I wonder if they care who they sell too?

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