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Submitted by Octavarium94 589d ago | article

Wii U’s Struggle to Remain Relevant

So Rayman Legends is no longer exclusive to Wii U. One of the games that best showcased Wii U’s many unique attributes, and outdid Nintendo's own New Super Mario Bros. U, will now come to other home consoles.

What’s most concerning about this situation is that it isn’t surprising. Nintendo has had trouble communicating the appeal of its home console. (Nintendo, Wii U)

DivineAssault  +   589d ago
Thats what happens when they get cocky about their hardware.. Sony made the same mistake by making the complicated Cell processor & thinking all devs will just deal with it.. I believe nintendo thought that people actually began to care about them again outside of their fans when in reality, the wii was just a fad that casuals went crazy over.. Without them, the wii u is nothing imo.. Im a nintendo fan & grew up with their games & will always support the good titles.. However i know that the only reason i have one is for those titles & that their hardware has been inferior & will be the same way going into nx.. They are very talented software devs but their child safe philosophies & inability to get with the times will hold them back.

The wii shouldve been 720p so they couldve got used to the HD revolution then instead of testing the waters now that Sony/MS have perfected it.. The internet revolution shouldve been embraced with the wii as well instead of going in one foot at a time currently.. A huge mess theyve made but ill still back em til their games begin to get stale.. (NSMB, ya ur one of em) twilight princess was MUCH better to me than skyward sword too.. Get with it
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aceitman  +   589d ago
I feel they put themselves back to the gamecube days . and that's sad to have such a good system (wii) to fall apart , I think they weren't ready for this launch just to beat the next gen.they should have waited.
dboyc310  +   589d ago
Like divine said, Nintendo was really confident because they took the current gen by storm. Guess they assume the same would have happened with the wii u. Honestly Nintendo got lucky with the wii because it broaden the gaming demographic by bringing in casual gamers. It back fires now because now casual gamers moved on to phones/tablets. Nintendo will be back to the n64/gamecube days. Going into this next gen they honestly could have handled it better if
1. They nailed the marketing(many ppl assumed the wii u was an add on to the wii)
2. Actually had games that weren't coming out in current platforms
3. Price point (wii price point was spot on and basically catapulted it to success)
darthv72  +   589d ago
wii-u can be relevant if...
nintendo stopped all current production of the wii. They change the marketing aspect to focus on the wii-u not only plays its own games but the full library of existing wii games as well.

something nintendo never really made clear with the wii being able to play gc games. Many knew about it but there was plenty more that did not. Even with the ports right there on the unit.

Nintendo has been successful in marketing their handhelds as being a previous generation compatible and it tends to lead to more sales of both old and new software.

Wii-u playing wii games would be the ideal path for a new wii/wii-u consumer. Looking back I'm sure nintendo would have sold double the amount of SNES units had it had physical compatibility with the original NES carts.

At least with sega and the genesis had the PBC and actually went on to sell more master system games during the genesis run than they did during only the master system days. All because of the convenience and additional library now available to the consumer.

As to the subject of rayman legends...okay. its coming to other platforms but the wii-u is the only one with the tablet (that we know of). Playing it without the tablet just wouldnt be the same as playing with.
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colonel179  +   589d ago
The Wii U should have been the Wii, then we would have something better for this new generation. However, video games are at a weird point right now because everyone is trying to make games (or change already stablished games-dead space- into casual games.

I really hope that at least one console stays true to its root and continue to bring games the way are supposed to, and I surely pray to whichever god there is that this microtransaction BS doesn't become the norm.
StraightedgeSES  +   589d ago
@DboyC 310 but isn't that what the "core" gamers want for nintendo to go back to the N64/GC days.
metroidfusion2  +   588d ago
Ha ha lol shut up and wait ya dumbass ignorant child
Jadedz  +   589d ago
I respect Iwata as a person
Though if his 1 billion operation yen profit by the next fiscal year doesn't pan out for him, he deserves to go (fired).
LOL_WUT  +   589d ago
Totally agree with you. Too bad the other Nintendo fans won't feel the same. Respect +well said ;)

If this is how it is now then it is extremely worrisome for future or unannounced 3rd party games.
Starfox17  +   589d ago
Wonderful 101
Lego city stories
Monster hunter ultimate
Xenoblade
Beyonetta2

and these are before the 3rd party Nintendo Direct ? no problem here as Lego city wiiu is the biggest 3rd party exclusive in many years for any console.
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Jadedz  +   589d ago
I'm a huge Nintendo supporter
I've been through all the slumps of lack software during the Gamecube/Wii era's, and I honestly thought the Wii U would be a different case. 3rd parties are totally anemic towards Nintendo console hardware, whereas their handhelds are a different case.

It isn't so much as them loosing another exclusive (though that is something that urks me), it's the lackadaisical nature of their stance on 3rd parties in general.

@mrbojingles

Then I guess he can stay. Though my admiration for him as Nintendo's CEO, is currently dwindling at a rapid rate.

I'll recant my negative opinion of him once he proves his competency.
RuperttheBear  +   589d ago
I've never seen or heard the word 'lackadaisical' before. Just want to thank you for that Jadedz, because that's a seriously awesome word lol.

*thumbs up*
mrbojingles  +   589d ago
What if they barely miss that target? Like by a small margin?
rytlok  +   589d ago
people are stupid,they will always be relevant!!!
xursz  +   589d ago
As long as the handheld market is strong, for sure they will be relevant. This isn't to knock the WiiU or the PSVita for that matter. I just don't think even some of the most hardcore fans are willing to pay $400 for outdated games when newer consoles are ready to be shown.

Third party support is going to fall short if third party developers are optimizing their engines to run on ps4/720 and don't find the neccessary player base to buy these games on WiiU, just like the Wii.

Nintendo is repeating mistakes but this time the casuals aren't biting.

edit: clarified a little
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Starfox17  +   589d ago
Gearbox are making a FPS on WiiU using UE4 and ps4/720 ect but the ps4 devkit had a meltdown i didn't hear anything of the WiiU devkit having a meltdown in fact Randy pitchfird only speaks highly of wiiu,powerful powerful console his words.
rytlok  +   589d ago
nintendo will always be relevant no matter what happens!!!
NexGen  +   589d ago
To remain relevant, the Wii U must first become relevant.

The Wii was, and the systems before it, but not this.
dboyc310  +   589d ago
Gamecube and N64 weren't as relevant as you think buddy. Honestly Nintendo was just lucky that the wii turned to a runaway success. But this next gen obviously the next ps/xbox system are going to fly pass it because their core demographic hasn't vanish like the casual did and that's what basically helped the wii.
xursz  +   589d ago
They were relevant to me.. I had both the n64 and Gamecube but I won't get a Wiiu until I see games that are as good or better than ps360 games.
NexGen  +   589d ago
Dboy, you don't know how relevant I think they were or were not. Personally the cube and 64 were lame for my tastes, but still maintained a degree of market relevancy.

The WiiU has not yet found that. It might though.
G20WLY  +   589d ago
We all said the same about Sega back in the day :(
Gr81  +   589d ago
People
Say the same thing about Sony btw. That they aren't going any where..Meanwhile their financials have been in the toilet for over 5 years now..and counting.

No company is immune from going the way of Sega.
G20WLY  +   589d ago
Sure, some say that. I guess the ones that have said it recently haven't seen that operating profit is back in black, with trend showing upward trajectory which forecasts net profit sooner than many think (thanks to the constant doom articles).

Then factor in known assets (for selling if the going gets tough - buildings, etc) and the fact that Sony spans many industries and you have to figure that - while not safe by any means - Sony is looking safer than Nintendo as of now. Even Nintendo's headcount is so much lower that they couldn't bolster their bottom line with sudden cost cutting there - that's one of the perils of running a lean operation, like they do.

Then of course you have MS who are basically bulletproof lol :)
Gr81  +   589d ago
You don't
Know how to read financial statements do you?

How is Sony safer than Nintendo atm when they posted a loss of $115 million dollars? During a HOLIDAY QUARTER with favorable exchange rates due to the Yen! Nintendo posted profits of $450 million dollars in the same period, which isn't great by any means, but way better than a loss!

If any of the big 3 has a chance to go the way of Sega, that'd be Sony. They are selling assets just to curb losses..its getting ugly.
hesido  +   589d ago
I haven't read the detailed report but Sony losses may be due to massive R&D required for PS4?

edit: I've just read it and total R&D costs including every division fell from about 500 billion yens to 430 billion yens. Still a lot of money!
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G20WLY  +   588d ago
^Lol, nope, you got me. I haven’t a clue (not like I ran the Sales Remuneration and Profit & Loss models for a major bank until 8 years ago…) smh

I’m not even going to bother; you’re right – absolutely spot on. Sony’s share price hasn’t risen by almost 60% since the start of the year and they are completely screwed in the immediate future. They also haven’t – in any way – been on an acquisition rampage during the past year and they definitely didn’t spend hundreds of millions of dollars on Gaikai, nor did they just sell an asset for 1.1bn USD. Nope. Nintendo are in great shape though. I mean they have their gaming division, their…well they have their gaming division. Nobody is going to buy a PS4 and the Wii U is flying off the shelves quicker than they can ship ‘em.

I talk crap, but luckily you’re a genius and set me straight. I see that now. Oh God, how will I sleep?

If you are thinking that I hope Nintendo fail, by the way, then boy you got it wrong. I’m no cheerleader for any brand – ask yourself; can you truly say the same*? (*Rhetorical; keep fighting ‘the good fight’ lmao)
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lovegames718  +   589d ago
"its me mariooooooooo"
izumo_lee  +   589d ago
Nintendo has always had a history of 'doing it their way' & ignoring the modern trends in gaming that their competitors usually follow. Sometimes it works like with the original Wii but sometimes it does not like with the Wii U so far.

I see the Wii U like the N64. When Sony & Sega were pushing for CD based hardware, Nintendo were defiant to stick with the cartridge format. In the end they lost 3rd party support because of that, Square being one of them & we all know the end result.

With the Wii U they are pushing the tablet & for the most part many developers are unsure of what to do with it. It will probably take time for them to grasp the idea of the tablet controller but it has to be Nintendo themselves with their first party games to show them the way. If Nintendo themselves sway away from using the tablet than there will be more problems.

It is too early to sink the Wii U (just like everyone thinks the Vita is gonna fail), if however things continue to be a struggle for the Wii U than Nintendo will have to buck the trend & follow what the industry is going.
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XXXL  +   589d ago
I think once the virtual console remote gamepad play gets established and nintendo starts releasing some Wii classics in HD they'll be in better shape. Part of the issue was not having these options day 1.
mandf  +   589d ago
I will be a sale once a NEW Zelda is released. I just hope they don't make it like skyward sword the worst of all zelda games in my opinion.
majiebeast  +   589d ago
Wiiu is looking to be Gamecube 2 in terms of first party software it is gonna be amazing, but third party support is gonna be a graveyard, and in terms of sale's it will do 40 million at best. Casuals have moved on, and wii was lightning in a bottle for Nintendo i just dont see wiiu mimicking it. The system is too complicated compared to the wii for the casuals.

If someone's heads are gonna roll its Reggie's and Iwata's

Iwata just doesnt seems to have a clue what Nintendo and gamers in general want, it certainly isnt Nintendo street view.
Reggie has been blundering since the lack of big wii games like half way into the console cycle.
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baldulf  +   589d ago
Agreed, the Wii was a once on a lifetime lucky shot. They won't repeat the same scenario again and their classic IPs alone (even while being among the best) are not enough to ensure the future of the system.
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Phil32  +   589d ago
Until the Wii U starts getting system sellers (which don't seem to be coming for some time), the console will continue to stay irrelevant in terms of market share and mind share. Nintendo absolutely screwed up big this generation (their one year lead will amount to jack), and something (or someone) has got to go.
Starfox17  +   589d ago
Lego city will sell systems.
xursz  +   589d ago
Aw man, I hate to say but you're grasping at straws here. A LEGO game is not a system seller, I believe you'll realize that when next gen systems demonstrate their first and third party showcase.

If I had to guess, I'd say Monolith's game will sell systems, but it won't boost the WiiU to "first place" like some fans are hoping.

EDIT: I just want to add that whoever started the Myth that WiiU is doing better than ps3/360 should be banned for spreading rumors. PS3 launch was considered a failure but still sold nearly equal to WiiU even though it hadn't launched in all regions until 3 months down the line, whereas WiiU DID launched in all areas simultaneously.

Now the psp is selling about equal to the WiiU, even though the internets would have you believe psp died 2 years ago. Just some perspective.

In short, the WiiU has already fallen behind and lost any ground it had even over the notoriously bad ps3 launch.

I know I'll get disagrees and won't be able to reply but this is in fact reality. Anybody looking for more info can pm me.
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Jek_Porkins  +   589d ago
Let's keep it in perspective that the Wii U is still off to a better start than the Xbox 360 or the PS3 at this point. The problem is that hype will start for the new consoles from Microsoft and Sony, and Nintendo really needed to have some quality software lined up for when those other consoles launched.

What I don't understand is how Nintendo can let huge titles like Tomb Raider, Bioshock Infinite, GTA5, Metal Gear R and Crysis 3 all not come to their console.

Personally I've never bought a Nintendo console for third party games, and being that I have around 100k Gamerscore, I buy third party games on the Xbox 360 anyway. Nintendo needs to buy some quality third party support if need be, they need to get these games on their console ASAP.
Phil32  +   589d ago
Well said.
sitharrefus  +   589d ago
Nintendo always goes own their own.

I know i may get a lot of dislikes but its ok this is my opinon.

I believe Nintendo needs to stop ignoring its competitors and challenge them. The Wii u may not be as powerful as all the articles claim. Personally its a fine system that can deliver great quality content.

Second Nintendo needs to stop with the bs they are loosing money on the Wii u, doesnt make sense at all, the console should cost to make less that 250 (not sure about the wii pad)

They could be loosing money when importing wii u's to the US but im not familiar with that so idk...

3rd party always struggle in Nintendo systems (not surprised)

If Nintendo wants to succeed they need to address this issues:

-Nintendo Network ID: Being able to log in other systems and able to download my dlc and purchases (kinda like xbox or ps3)

-Share VC games on my 3DS, kinda BS that i need to buy it again. (PS3 u can share it to vita why cant we?)

-I respect Iwata but i think its time for him to go, we need someone at the front that can bring major changes to compete with sony and microsoft. I dont buy the whole thing that he says that smartphones and tablets are not competition....

-Pay for exclusives? ( Microsoft and Sony do it) Maybe have some exclusive games.
Yes we have Monster hunter, Bayonetta etc... but we need more..

Lego City looks fun but the hardcore audience is not going to buy that....

AAA games like GTA, Fallout, Resident Evil etc... need to come to the Wii u (GTA V has been delayed and possibly coming to xbox 720 and ps4. If it doesnt come to wii u that will be a shame...)

-Expand their ip's, we need new ip's, i love mario, zelda etc. but they need to try new things....

-Eshop unified with 3DS, its stupid i cant use my money thats on my 3DS on the Wii u

I believe if Nintendo addressed some of this issues they can do fine this generation....
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Qrphe  +   589d ago
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Well said!
Gr81  +   589d ago
Nintendo has
Only themselves to blame. Not third parties, not 'casual gamers'. Only themselves.

One thing about the Wii was that 3rd Parties didn't make the Wii phenomena, therefore they couldn't break it either.

Third Parties may be dominant players on the other consoles but that is because the other console makers' first party software is only supplementary to the big third party games. Which is very problematic for console makers. Case in point the Vita.

However, Nintendo's problem with Wii U stems from a lack of compelling software, no clear direction, and baffling ideological or decision making on the software front. There is nothing being made that is compelling for the masses. Wind Waker is not a mass product, Yoshi Yarn is not a Mass product. JRPG's are no longer a mass product. The only mass product out for Wii U is a half assed effort on a 2D Mario game.

This idea that third party support is paramount to success is myth. Propagated by the likes of Pachter, IGN, and other gaming websites and publications. The games that Nintendo shouldn't be making are praised, while the ones they should be making are lambasted.

The games industry never liked Nintendo, simply because Nintendo doesn't need them to succeed. Every time Nintendo has gone the industry route, they've been neglected and relegated to industry jokes. Which is what the Wii U is at the moment.

But don't look for other console makers to be some sort of savior for the games industry. Things will be getting ugly in the near future. For all of them. Save for PC gamers, they will be fine. Just like they were during the Crash in the 80's.
RuperttheBear  +   589d ago
It's been out for a few months. A few months. At least give it half a chance.
STGuy1040  +   589d ago
I still believe people are betting against the Wii U too early. It would be one thing if the Wii U was over a year old with a grim software library, but the system was just released a couple months ago and there are games (good games) on the horizon. I think gamers need to sit back and wait; Nintendo may just surprise everyone once Xbox Next and PS4/Orbis launch.
deadfrag  +   589d ago
Nintendo will do well they always did!They play there own game,they always have,sometimes they were on top some they were not,but in the end they will survive again because they are a company gears to gaming with inovation even if that inovation only comes from themselfs and thats it,people that think nintendo is off are wrong.Its a big legacy and it will not die anytime soon!
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DEATHxTHExKIDx  +   589d ago
I have no doubt wiiU will eventual do well but, If Rayman legends can go multiplat maybe Bayonetta 2 can also I have hope now.
ozzywazzy  +   589d ago
The wii u is a disaster of colossal proportions. eBay them whilst you can! Oh wait, they're everywhere to be found..
ShaunCameron  +   589d ago
I'm more saddened by Rayman Legends being pushed back to September than it going multiplatform, which I thought was gonna happen anyway.

I agree with the article. It's gonna be a long while before my Wii U gets turned back on for anything. *patiently waits for Lego City Undercover*

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