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Heavy Rain maker argues that games need to grow up and offers nine ways to make that happen

David Cage scolded the game industry for making the same games over and over and urged the game industry to grow up.

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davidfca1329d ago

David Cage is so full of shit I wonder that the man has not burst yet.

joab7771329d ago

Is he an idiot? Does he not understand how the works. First of all u need money to make games. To make money u must make games ppl want. These games fund and allow studios to try new things like heavy rain. i liked it but not everyone is gonna. Second of all, games are made for ppl of all ages and wants. Why dont movies have to grow up? Or books? Go finish Beyond, i wanna play it. But guess what, i love ni no kuni, bioshock and all sorts of games too.

Maybe we should just be like China. Give over all our rights and let the government run our lives and keep us safe. Oh wait, i dont wanna be like China and anyone who does can buy a plane ticket and move.

blitz06231329d ago (Edited 1329d ago )

He has valid points, but he fails to understand video games are nothing more than... well, video games. They are primarily played during someone's free time. They are a habit.

Cage's games are good and innovative, but if he wants the industry to evolve and go after more mature audiences, the video game industry will inevitably die. You can't ignore the fact that the games he mentioned are top sellers, even if they are iterations of each other. They sell, and they are what keeps the industry strong.

miyamoto1329d ago (Edited 1329d ago )

Music 3,000 years old???
Sports 3,000 years old???
Motion Pictures/Films 112 years old
Radio 110 years old
Television 90 years old
Animation 83 years old
American comics 75 years old
Japanese manga 68 years old
Video Games 40 years old

Maybe he wants video games to be accepted by the same majority that patronize all of the above mediums of entertainment and information.

Maybe he wants video games to be about many subject matters and to be relegated to a few types of subject matter like super heroes for American comics and more like Japanese manga which covers just about any subject in Japan.

Maybe he wants video games to grow and mature as the gamer matures and not be relegated to child's plaything status.

Video game medium of entertainment is young and compared to others and its the right time to mold it into a rich, dynamic, relevant and useful medium for entertainment and education.

ABizzel11329d ago

David Cage is speaking to a mature audience of Gamers, people who want more than the same game every year.

David Cage is explaining how to take games from what people imagine are a child-like hobby, and introduce them into a medium of entertainment comparable to the acceptance of film.

I fully support him and his story for being of that 1% who are willing to take and stand and try something new. And those who don't just aren't mature enough yet to get his vision, and why it's so important that he and more developers think like this.

There will always be your GTA's, and COD's, and everything else, but we've been sitting at 250million console gamers for the last few generations, his ideas are how we move the medium forward for a more adult audience, and I'm not a child anymore. I'm a young adult, and I want those experiences.

If I ever design a game studio his outlook will be one that I share, maybe not to his full degree, but definitely one out studio will constantly dabble in. When game affect your emotional decisions or feelings then they've transcended from mere entertainment to art.

Irishguy951329d ago (Edited 1329d ago )

Ah piss off Cage, I like your games. Stop whining about other games that I like and that are better than your games. There's room for all genre's in this industry. It's not the gamers fault they like great fun gameplay and not only what you perceive as a good game.

Also, it's nothing but the media's fault that anyone is moaning about sex and violence in video games. It is NOT gamings fault.

Edit--- Kneon

" 4. Become accessible. “Let’s focus on minds, not on thumbs,” he said. “Who cares how fast you can move your fingers?” He said the journey is important, not the challenge. "

I ****ing care about games with challenge, I care about games with gameplay that drags me into it. This is especially the case for the Action genre, hack and slash genre and Shooter genre. What would Cage Say about God of war? A highly anticipated upcoming game?

"5. Bring other talent on board. Like filmmakers.
"

No. Why would I want more film in my games at this stage?

"6. Establish new relationships with Hollywood"

Are you ****ing serious!?

" The answer is games are “interactive” or geared toward kids.
"

Eh no. This is again NOT gaming's fault. It is the media moaning about every little thing. Remember Mass effect? Did that have Sex? Was is used in a childish way? Did the game have political **** in it? Yes it did. What happened? Fox spread **** about it. It's completely the media's fault. Nothing to do with gaming.

"“Press are very clever people who analyze the industry,” "

Cage destroyed his own credibility with his argument. Sorry kneon. He does not know what he is talking about. He thinks HIS game, and HIS story, are something gaming should move towards? I disagree. There is room for everything in gaming, the Media has to ****ing grow up. We still have to listen to shit like "Games kill people! Not guns!" And Cage thinks the gaming industry needs to change?

-Gespenst-1329d ago

I agree with some of what you say Irishguy, but not all of it.

Games DO have to wise up, but Cage isn't the one to do it. He thinks his games are intelligent when they're really just as juvenile as most of the other games he's implicitly complaining about.

It's not "just the media's fault". Games ARE immature. They treat violence and sex on a surface level. Reveling deeply in wilful ignorance about both, and that's not good for a culture, especially as games become more ubiquitous and accepted.

As for challenge in games. I think it's important. While I hate competitiveness, life isn't a pushover, and games should never trick us into thinking that's not the case. Life is challenging, and while games serve well as escapism, they shouldn't become too complacent. Challenge keeps us alive and awake.

"Establishing relationships with Hollywood" is of course the wrong direction to take. Games contain music and film, but don't revolve around them, those things contribute to it, provide a means for games to be considered as art. The game has to learn to tell it's story in it's own terms too (Think Half Life 2)

Games just need (much) more intelligent, well read (and watched), imaginative and inventive writers. They can't rely on people who've been writing exclusively for films.

David Cage wants to make films at heart, he should just do that. (Though they might suck)

kneon1329d ago

Did you bother to read the article, because he's absolutely right.

Or perhaps you're just commenting on the title, which seems to be the norm here on N4G. Even the title is correct. Most of the supposed M rated games are clearly designed for a 12 year old.

BlackTar1871329d ago

They most likely didn't they just use title and run with it. Either that or they are so defensive they are unable to see outside their bubble.

1nsomniac1329d ago (Edited 1329d ago )

Your a bell end. Go play with the other sheep!

David Cage is a hero. Not afraid to speak out or try new things, wants progression & is fed up of developer laziness.

-Gespenst-1329d ago (Edited 1329d ago )

That's rich coming from Cage. Fahrenheit is like the most immature thing ever. Lead guy's an introverted, moody guy with a dull office job (i.e the writer of the game) until WHAM gets thrown into an occult conspiracy and becomes Neo from the matrix with super powers (i.e. ego-trip / delusions of grandeur on the part of the writer) Yeah, real grown up.

As for Heavy Rain, the game's just Saw. It tries to be intellectual and profound with it's thinly explored themes of fatherhood and it's melodramatic music and it's (completely meaningless and obligatory) dream sequences, but it still has all these stupid little juvenile fascinations with "Origami killers" and "cool" technology and fight sequences, and grievous saw like trials with all the inventiveness of a 6 year old child. Not to mention the dreadful script and voice acting.

Quantic Dream is overrated.

Reverent1329d ago

No offense man, but let's see you write a better script and turn it into a video game as successful as Heavy Rain was.

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney1329d ago

I agree and disagree with him..

Reverent1329d ago

I'm in the same position. I think he's a really talented guy and I like his work, but I also don't really believe he quite has the right to tell the rest of the industry what to do. Not sure how to feel at this point.

Good_Guy_Jamal1329d ago (Edited 1329d ago )

Overrated and pretentious. I don't want to watch an interactive movie, I want actual gameplay. No thanx Mr Cage. How about you make games that YOU want to play and I'll have some more Mario and Rayman please.
I'm glad I live in a world where I can choose to play what I want and not be at the mercy of an overly self loving man's whim.

Oh_Yeah1329d ago (Edited 1329d ago )

Games are first and foremost about gameplay, always will be...they are games after all. The story comes 2nd and it's a bonus to have a good one yeah but more important than gameplay? No. So David...start critiquing when you have made an actual game... K. Dont get me wrong I like his interactive movies, theres certainly a space for them in the game industry.. But don't sit there and talk down on games until you have made a traditional game yourself.

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JeffGrubb1329d ago

A Caged David is my new blue grass band that only sings lyrics from David Cage dialogue.

SybaRat1329d ago

I don't wanna grow up. I'm a Toys R Us kid.

Kran1329d ago

I don't wanna grow up; I wanna' be a Toys R Us kid*

Get it rittttttttte :)

ApolloTheBoss1329d ago

Lmao loved those commercials.

Lifeequals421329d ago

David Cage speaks the truth. Why, in nearly half a century, have games scarcely progressed past the following modus operandi: Kill everything. Gaming is a new medium, but it's done very little growing up.

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