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Submitted by ThomasBW84 1100d ago | opinion piece

Talking Point: Wii U's Graphical Grunt is Laid Bare - Shall We Play Games Now?

Today perhaps brings a little closure, for those inclined to allow such a thing, with details and analysis emerging of the Wii U's GPU. Since before its release Wii U has been scrutinised by some in terms of its graphical capabilities, and there are plenty of people who focus on that area when debating whether it's "next gen", a term with no solid definition in the gaming industry — it means different things depending on who you talk to. The CPU speeds of the system were reportedly reverse engineered and clocked last year, so an understanding of Wii U's graphical grunt both now and in the future rested on the setup of the GPU, which Nintendo itself has said is the focus of the system's infrastructure.

Following today's Digital Foundry breakdown of the Wii U GPU, Nintendo Life considers whether a line can now be drawn in debates about Wii U graphical power. (Industry, Nintendo, Wii U)

Qrphe  +   1100d ago
We'll see games that'll look better than TLoU or Beyond on the Wii U eventually, we can trust Nintendo's 1st party studios to do it.
bicfitness  +   1100d ago
With a tripple core, juiced up Gamecube CPU and a 4650 HD GPU? Honestly, it has been confirmed that the system is on par or less capable than last gen-machines, so please stop this nonsense. The Wii U will be what the Wii was to the PS360, only without the benefit of the casual flock, who have apparently moved onto tablets or Facebook or whatever doesn't concern the vast majority of posters here.

Admittance is the first step to recovery.
herbs  +   1099d ago
I ran out of bubbles on the Wii U GPU discussion so I'm going to post this here. Digital Foundry and Eurogamer made it sound like they had the GPU specs nailed down 100% but they are infact making some assumptions and there are still some very big??? It's super lame when sites jump the gun like this just for hits on there site because they know the fanboys will eat it up.
This video sums it up eloquently...
herbs  +   1099d ago
Bicfitness the Gpu has been confirmed to be at worst 1.5X than that of PS360 and far more modern and efficient, how does that make it less powerful? Oh of course your using fanboy logic.
bicfitness  +   1099d ago
@ herbs. You realize that once you factor in the crap CPU and the low-bandwidth, garbage memory, that you have bottlenecks at every corner? Doesn't matter how strong the GPU is if it is starved for resources.

The problem with N4G, and internet commentators in general, is that they often have little to no clue what they are talking about. Go build PCs or code some archaic language and get back to me in a few years. The people counting the SOC and modules are far, far better at this than you. There's wild speculation, then there's educated approximation, this is the latter. The fact that Nintendo are using modified tech, from the RAM to the CPU to the GPU, which each varies from 5-10 years old in their "new" machine should be an embarrassment enough.
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nintendoland  +   1099d ago
how do you have so many bubbles troll
bullymangLer  +   1100d ago
So whats the deal? . Nintendo gonna show this generation ps3 and 360 HOW to skillfully use this much power? . . Oh okay sounds good, buy me a ticket, ill pay you later
lilbroRx  +   1100d ago
Truthfully we already have when you go into overall detail. I don't see ZombiU being achieved on the last gen console without massive downgrades.

The individual zombie details, character details and the detail to the environment(above all else) just dismissed anything I've seen last gen on a technical level.

Not even going to get into the Monoliths X demo.
Genuine-User  +   1100d ago
Have you not seen Halo 4, The Last of Us, God of War Ascension, Bioshock Infinite, Beyond Two Souls and many other titles that are factually graphically superior than the game you name.
Listen I have nothing against Nintendo or Zombie U, matter of fact I plan on buying both the Wii u and Zombie U this summer but that doesn't mean I can't see the obvious difference.
I hope you aren't comparing Wii u to the Wii.
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lilbroRx  +   1100d ago
Yes, I have seen and played Halo 4.

I'm talking about on a technical level, not on a level of opinion.(ie. what you found most impressive or which game you like more)

Whether or not you liked how a game looked and what it is it factually doing are 2 different matters. I'm speaking on the latter.

Can you go into a grocery store and looks at hundreds of unique, detailed objects as well as see people really fully rendered teeth, hair and fingernails in Halo 4?

Scale is the big differentiator here. The graphics aren't just pumped into a few single entities to make them look good with remapped textures everywhere. The detail is distributed through many things. The geometry is complex, and a lot of these things you can interact with in ZombiU
Qrphe  +   1100d ago
ZombiU has awful textures. However, the lighting in some areas of the game is very well done (Spitalfields Green for example).
deafdani  +   1100d ago
No. No. No, no, no, no, no, no.

Just NO.

Zombi U is barely a decent looking game. It's nothing spectacular by any means, and certainly doesn't compare to any of the best looking games available for PS3 and Xbox 360. Mass Effect 2 & 3, Batman Arkham City, all the Uncharted games (yes, even the first one), Red Dead Redemption, God of War 3, Halo 4 and a plethora of many other games are undeniably better than Zombi U graphically.

As for Monolith's X demo... we haven't seen enough of that game to judge properly, either in a positive or negative way. The initial impression was a pretty good one, though. It looked VERY good, but we still haven't seen anything that tell us, without any margin of doubt, that it was something not possible on Xbox 360 or PS3.

Stop obsessing so much about the Wii U's power and enjoy its games.
lilbroRx  +   1100d ago
The only one "obsessing" over anything here is you. I'm not making any claims of ZombiU being a graphical beast or this huge achievement. I'm just saying that what I've seen looks more detailed than anything I remember on my PS3 or 360 overall.

I just made a simple analysis and people are raging over it.

When I look at something I look at all of the details. I don't say, "Oh look at the face" or "look at the car", "oh look at the shiny armor" and stop there. I look at everything in detail.

I'd image me and you see entirely different things when we look at these.

or these 2
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deafdani  +   1100d ago
This in particular is what bothers me:

"Truthfully we already have when you go into overall detail. I don't see ZombiU being achieved on the last gen console without massive downgrades."

That's simply not true. Zombi U, graphically speaking, is perfectly doable on PS3 and Xbox 360. Now, when it comes to gameplay, that's another matter entirely, because of the Wii U's gamepad integration on that game, which is superb. But the graphics? Yeah, perfectly possible.

"I'm just saying that what I've seen looks more detailed than anything I remember on my PS3 or 360 overall."

So, you're comparing Zombi U with a 2008 game? Left 4 Dead is hardly a benchmark of what the Xbox 360 can do graphically. Try any of the games I listed for you on my first reply, and you'll see a massive difference.

You said Zombi U is impressive on a technical level, but you don't specify anything beyond that. Technical means particles, AI, physics, lighting effects, etc. Zombi U isn't anything special on any of these departments, except maybe in the lighting, which is really, really good.

What are those details you speak of? Because trust me, I've looked at Zombi U's graphics pretty closely. As I said, it's a decent looking game. The graphics fit the tone perfectly, but it's not anything impressive, neither from a technical nor artistic standpoint.

What makes Zombi U truly memorable is the gameplay.
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Waddy101  +   1100d ago
ZombiU is by no means a technological feat, there are a lot more detailed and better looking games out there on PS3 and 360.
metroidfusion2  +   1100d ago
Digital foundry don't know anything and are judging to early
kunluncat  +   1100d ago
Yes, but there are not enough games to play on wiiu now.
Ck1x  +   1100d ago
Whatever people need to tell themselves these days! Tomorrow there will be an article on N4G, of how the Vita is actually twice as powerful as the WiiU as well... Lol
stuna1  +   1100d ago
That sounds about right! Since it has been said to be more powerful in certain areas compare to the ps3.

I couldn't care less! It just seems that so many have developed a severe case of amnesia concerning what has been said previously to the release of the WII U.

Don't let me go into detail as far as what was said about the ps3 and yes the xbox360! It just seems only fair that the WII U and nintendo will have to prove themselves just like the others have had too! Instead of recieving a free pass.

Now bring on the disagrees.......
bullymangLer  +   1100d ago
So whats the deal? . Nintendo gonna show this generation ps3 and 360 how to skillfully use this much power? . . Oh okay sounds good, buy me a ticket, ill pay you later
pennywhyz  +   1100d ago
And a PC is stronger then all these consoles.

Admittance is the first step to recovery.

Its all about the games.
CouldHaveYelledUiiW  +   1100d ago
I have never defended WiiU, graphically, in relation to 720 and PS4.
It would be impossible to do this because the consoles are not released and because of the almost compulsive nature of Sony to try and 1-UP Nintendo.

Most of us WiiU advocates have been certain that Microsoft and Sony would be more powerful because they are less concerned about making things as affordable at launch. Despite the fact that their consoles are usually very expensive they are sold at Massive losses in order to make them and their tech. cheaper. (Plus, Sony and Microsoft have been on a 8 to 10 years Gen vs Nintendo's 5 year cycle).

So, What I have defended (and many others on the site) is whether WiiU is Next Gen in comparison to the 360 and PS3.

The same people who are dancing on WiiU's grave right now, are the same people who accepted any story about how graphically inferior WiiU was to 360 and PS3.

This is clearly not the case.

As for the rest, I am not expecting the WiiU to outmatch PS4 and 720- Iwata already said that it wouldn't a long time ago. THIS is not a Dis just a fact.

And I don't care. If the WiiU is just 2.5 times stronger than the 360 and PS3, why should this upset me or Nintendo fans?

Currently, I am playing Wii games. I still need to buy Last Story and Xenoblade, (Going to play WiiU's Monster Hunter now) so I am content. The upgrade will to a WiiU will be astounding.

If Sony and Microsoft keep in step with what they did last time, their next consoles will be the price of a mid to lo ranged PC. I think I will buy a new PC 1st and buy a used PS4 and 720 once the PS5 and 1440 come out. (Which is what I will do this Gen).

I don't see that many exclusives coming to either systems that demand that much development. I think PC, PS4, and 720 will have virtually the same AAA's.

There will be some Must Buy Exclusives like whatever Quantic Dream does (much love to that Sony studio) but SO it is with Nintendo-

Right now I know I want Fire Emblem, Zelda, "X", and Samus + I have a Steam Account and some MMO's - I think I am good.

All in ALL peace to the Consoles! I wish all consoles success because they need each other to survive- if one falls the Investers will panic and put all their cash in Mobile devices and Tablets.
-And guess what Sony and Microsoft would probably allow that because they could make money either way.
wiiulee  +   1099d ago
made bear how...the people present informations gave nothing new that wsnt said before that wiiu is more powerful then current generation...they still have no clue about the actual inner workings or how everything flows together so only the games will show...and games on wiiu will look great and thats enough for me

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