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Digital Foundry: Wii U graphics power finally revealed

While there's still room for plenty of debate about the Wii U Digital Foundry: hardware, the core fundamentals are now in place and effectively we have something approaching a full spec. It took an extraordinary effort to get this far and you may be wondering quite why it took a reverse engineering specialist using ultra-magnification photography to get this information, when we already know the equivalent data for Durango and Orbis. The answer is fairly straightforward - leaks tend to derive from development kit and SDK documentation and, as we understand it, this crucial information simply wasn't available in Nintendo's papers, with developers essentially left to their own devices to figure out the performance level of the hardware.

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decrypt1330d ago

Nintendo knows...

"Console gamers.. Dont care about graphics"

Wii U will be fine, 4 million console gamers already bought it.

SnakeCQC1330d ago

except for the ps3 which is has some the best looking games out there

deadpoole1330d ago (Edited 1330d ago )

what I don't get is the $$$$ price of WiiU ... why the heck is it soooo expensive.

It's like Nintendo is sellin CRT TV with the price tag of OLED Tele and for some bizarre reason people are still buyin it.

Mocat1330d ago

@deadpoole

Yes this, i two little nephews that really like Mario games but the price of the new console plus €60 for games, thats just too much.

kayoss1330d ago

@deadpool
I think its not the console that is expensive. I think its the tablet that came with it. I remember Nintendo mentioning that it cost about $230 just for the tablet.

ABizzel11330d ago

I hate to be the one to say I told you so, but there it is.

I've been saying this for the longest, NIntendo has made some incredibly bamboozling decisions with the Wii-U.

Now that we officially know the GPU, there's absolutely no way Nintendo is losing money on each console sold. That's COMPLETE BS. They're losing money because software sales have not been able to recoup the cost of marketing the Wii-U, and other factors that have nothing to do with production.

That's $35 / $50 GPU at retail (4650 / 4670), and the CPU can't be no more than $50 either considering it's tech from 2000 that was used in the Gamecube.

The overall CPU + GPU + RAM combo for the Wii-U is easily under $100 which means the Wii-U actually cost about $250 to make, and that's simple thanks to the tablet controller or else it would right at $200. And the funny thing about it is the Wii-U could have easily used an AMD A8 Llano APU and have a better console for a similar price, and still had been able to get next-gen ports (albeit in 720p @ 30fps low settings). They wouldn't have a bottlenecked CPU, and they'd have a much better GPU.

It's funny how people who know nothing about tech were constantly disagreeing with me, but the ignorant would rather be ignorant, than enlightened, so hopefully NIntendo really gets some 3rd party on board, because when the PS4 and Xbox 1080 come out, it's back to the Wii days with vastly inferior ports, or flat-out no support.

ElectricKaibutsu1330d ago (Edited 1330d ago )

In the NeoGAF thread mentioned in the article, someone mentioned how strange it is for the article to sound so sure of itself when so much on the die is custom and therefore unknown:

"The Digital Foundry Hypothesis

SPUs: 8 blocks (N1-N8)
TMUs: 4 blocks (J1-J4)
ROPS: 2 blocks ? (no proposed location)
ARM: 1 block (no proposed location)
DSP: 1 block (no proposed location)
Video encode/decode: 1 block (no proposed location)

Total blocks explained: 17 (12 with locations)
Total blocks unexplained: 23"

Edit: I should just add the article sounds legit to me. This NeoGAF quote is just food for thought.

Blastoise1330d ago (Edited 1330d ago )

Not gonna lie, I know nothing about these specs.
It's all a bit too technical for me.

Anyone fancy breaking it down for me in English?
:P

Zhipp1330d ago (Edited 1330d ago )

@ElectricKaibutsu
Yeah, I'm a little disappointed in Digital Foundry. The guys down at Neogaf are doing a considerably better job figuring out and explaining the exact potential of the chip. DF didn't even go into any detail on the GPUs extremely unorthodox design.

@ABizzel1
The major customizations Nintendo had made to the GPU could not have come cheap, and they may also result in superior performance in reality than on paper, not unlike the Gamecube.

Perjoss1330d ago (Edited 1330d ago )

"I remember Nintendo mentioning that it cost about $230 just for the tablet."

I read somewhere of someone ordering a replacement wiiu gamepad for $90, not sure if that's true or not.

Ripsta7th1330d ago

People that enjoy Nintendo franchises will still buy it over the ps4, not everyone foes for graphics

metroid321330d ago (Edited 1330d ago )

The statement doesn't know what the gpu is,i emailed AMD and this is what they said.

http://nintendoculture.file...

It's not a HD4650/4670 what a laugh that is the chip supports dx11 obviously using Opengl4.1 ?

If u read it,it says going off previous rumours RV700 ect they just found a chip in that series that has a few specs the same and they are way out Unity4 is supported on wiiu dx11 basically,Gearbox is developing a FPS using UE4 on wiiu and they had problems on their ps4 devkits,Michel ancel said no limitations we even did super hd textures and forgot to compress them and the game still ran smooth ??

U can get comparable specs across different series ect 4000,5000,6000,7000,but in the later series dx11 was supported and that's what wiiu supports going off Unity4,Ubisoft,AMD,Gearbox ect ect.

Also Xenoblade and Beyonetta wouldnt be possible on that chip ??? these guys are talking rubbish as their is an UE4 game in the works as well this is just finding out speeds and trying to couple that with the wrong line on chips ie 4000 series,when in real respect its a E6760 custom.

OhMyGandhi1329d ago

@ deadpoole

Nintendo fell in love with the "Apple Mentality".

WrAiTh Sp3cTr31329d ago (Edited 1329d ago )

Eurogamer is a pro Sony website but they usually have to eat crow during head2head tech analysis. They'll tell you to buy the 360 version of a game because the facts cannot be disproven under such a microscope but they send little jabs at the 360 by downplaying its superiority in areas where it shines but they'll exaggerate those same benefits if the game comes out better for the PS3. But make no mistake about it, they don't like Nintendo. They havent even done a tech analysis on the Monolith project, which should also raise some eyebrows. But then again they may be short of staff. I respect them for their no-how but that's where it stops.

edgeofsins1329d ago

It is $300 at launch. How is that expensive? Not to mention it is sold at a loss. Some of the worst console gamers. It is just like the handheld argument. Why do people think that handhelds have to be $100 or less? The games are what really matter and they have great performance now.

AsimLeonheart1329d ago

Where are Nintendo fans who claimed it to be next-gen powerful and not much weaker than PS4/Durango? It is confirmed beyond doubt now that Wii U is actually "WiiK U".

meetajhu1329d ago

@metroid

Cool story bro. Directx 11? Exclusive ue4 fps? Go to anandtech and run 4650 benchmark and laugh at urself.

Gamer19821329d ago

Its expensive as that handheld controller costs more than half of the asking price! Why do you think you cannot buy a second controller yet? The console itself is only $150 the handheld though is $200 more than the console thanks to the technology it uses. Its more modern and up to date thus costing more to manufacture.

Stroke6661329d ago

@deadpool... arebyou serious? what do you think a new console should cost? its $350 thats nothing for a next-gen console. so do you expect to pick up an orbis or durango, because if the "underpowered wii u" is being sold at a loss and thats too much for you what do you expect those consoles to cost. its better than last gen consoles and selling for damn near the same price are you kidding me? crt tv? bad analogy, its more you want to buy a 4k tv for the price of a crt.

Ju1329d ago

It isn't $350 for a next gen console. It's 350 for a PS3++ without a HDD (but 32BG) and a fancy controller. That's the problem. No HDD should be far below $300. You get a 500GB PS3 for the same price...incl. game(s).

ElectricKaibutsu1329d ago (Edited 1329d ago )

A person from Chipworks (the reverse engineering company that scanned the GPU) had some interesting insight:

"Been reading some of the comments on your thread and have a few of my own to use as you wish.

1. This GPU is custom.
2. If it was based on ATI/AMD or a Radeon-like design, the chip would carry die marks to reflect that. Everybody has to recognize the licensing. It has none. Only Renesas name which is a former unit of NEC.
3. This chip is fabricated in a 40 nm advanced CMOS process at TSMC and is not low tech
4. For reference sake, the Apple A6 is fabricated in a 32 nm CMOS process and is also designed from scratch. It’s manufacturing costs, in volumes of 100k or more, about $26 - $30 a pop. Over 16 months degrade to about $15 each
a. Wii U only represents like 30M units per annum vs iPhone which is more like 100M units per annum. Put things in perspective.
5. This Wii U GPU costs more than that by about $20-$40 bucks each making it a very expensive piece of kit. Combine that with the IBM CPU and the Flash chip all on the same package and this whole thing is closer to $100 a piece when you add it all up
6. The Wii U main processor package is a very impressive piece of hardware when its said and done.

Trust me on this. It may not have water cooling and heat sinks the size of a brownie, but its one slick piece of silicon. eDRAM is not cheap to make. That is why not everybody does it. Cause its so dam expensive."

Ritsujun1329d ago (Edited 1329d ago )

Only sissies (e.g. Justin Bieber) love those childish/girlish/family Nintendo games,
i bet JB owns all Nintendo consoles and handheld consoles.
It's like playing iOS/Android games on a large screen, oh puking god.

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corrus1329d ago

Yeah i doubt that Wii U will have games with graphics like Uncharted or Heavy Rain

mcstorm1329d ago

What I love about all this my device is better or more powerful than yours is why are people so obsessed with it all?

At the end of the day its a games console and all I want to see is new games on each console. I love the Nintendo own IP's and as long as the games Sony Microsoft Nintendo, EA, activision ect keep brining out games I want to play and that are fun to play then what is everyone's problem.

I remember being in school and the PSX and N64 came out and there was no my system is the best it was about have you played GT or Golden eye ect.

Stop going on with who has more power and ram and saying mine is better than your and press the power button on the console of your choice pickup the controller and play the game you like and tell everyone how good the game you like is, but don't site there moaning about what you don't like.

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user39158001330d ago (Edited 1330d ago )

It was ballpark speculation at the time based on what we had eyeballed at the event, but the final GPU is indeed a close match to the 4650/4670, albeit with a deficit in the number of texture-mapping units and a lower clock speed - 550MHz. AMD's RV770 hardware is well documented so with these numbers we can now, categorically, finally rule out any next-gen pretensions for the Wii U - the GCN hardware in Durango and Orbis is in a completely different league.All of which may lead some to wonder quite why many of the Wii U ports disappoint - especially Black Ops 2, which appears to have been derived from the Xbox 360 version, running more slowly even at the same 880x720 sub-hd resolution.

No surprise at all, the wii-u competes with outdated hardware the 360 and ps3. 720 AND PS4 will rule next gen cause wiiu its current gen. Next gen dont start until ps4 and 720 comes out, end of story.

N4g_null1330d ago

It's weird that this is a tech site and they confirmed the embedded ram and ignore it. 4600s do not have embedded SRAM. I believe they are lashing out at nintendo because of the non reveal of deep specs. there has been some serious reworking of this chip.

If you are a tech head your curious if you are a fanboy then you will just go on believing what you are feed.

We will be talking about this tech for a while. It seems, gpgpus are not fully understood yet. Ms and Sony could come out with $600 machines and beat the wiiu tech wise. Yet people play games not tech.

What is also sad is we might only see a small jump graphically while pc is about to so a huge jump soon.

I think the issue is the idea that the tech gap is going to be too big for ports. All next gen consoles have a gpgpu setup. They will all strong somewhat with current gen practices. They will all have to reeducate their teams to take advantage of this setup.

So games will look like better running ps3/xbox360 games at first and I'm sure Sony will show target renders for games 2-3 years from release. That works for their fanbase and the media yet they still have not solved a key problem, games. When Sony tries to make games cloning nintendo game play they fail. First the smash/karting clones.

Ultimidely every thing will hinge on does it look and play good not on does it have graphic effects. That crown will still go to the pc since the other next gen consoles can not even run unreal 4 with out some major scaling.

Hopfully that is not the case as Apis reveal more functions and the development docs get fleshed out.

This will be a interesting gen none the less. Also there is the fact that we have reached a good enough point verses cost with many gamers and developers a like. People swinging for the fences are on pc, graphically.

Plus you can not rule out that fact that Nintendo has figured out 3d game play that is fun while Sony keep fualtering in genres that nintendo is hugly successful in.

The only problem nintendo needs to solve is getting more hd content creators. Which they are currently doing.

metroid321330d ago (Edited 1330d ago )

try this link ??

http://nintendoculture.file...

The hardware is fine the gpu is around £70.

sonic9891329d ago

LOL @ SCISSOR_RUNNER
sony copies and fail didnt know that sly cooper was a failure ratchet and clank uncharted and others lol.
and whats the fuzz every time a console is disclosed to be weak then right away the fans jump into the pc is this and pc is that ( while ignoring that pc games wont change that much because it would need support to have those features implemented so most of the games ( if even released on the pc in the first place ) will be dumped down to save costs first and to make a the revenue they wont out from every console ( ps3 and xbox 360 situation )
so the next jump in the pc gaming would start when next generation is about to end like what happened this gen and the gen before )
all those technological advancements and believe me when i say most of these hardware today are capable of going beyond DX11 but microsoft wont make their console look old quickly so extra power wasted already without even mentioning that most devs favor the consoles over the pc .
lets return to the wii u it will have great games nevertheless i remember when i played wind waker at my friend's place it was a great fun and beautiful game but lets not pretend that sony and microsoft have nothing in comparison cause that would be stupid and nonsense at its maximum level THANK YOU

RememberThe3571329d ago

What are you in kindergarten? Learn some grammar, I couldn't get past the first 5 words and I just gave up.

N4g_null1329d ago

Ok sonic what about that kart failure? What about that smash bros clone that failed? The list goes on. I'm not here to be down on Sony and I would love it if they did get some parity. I really don't like movie games with sub par stories. the graphic hype is a none starter if the game is not fun just ask any crysis fan.

Also pc devs are shooting for the low hanging fruit. Console gamers will buy any thing hyped up enough. Now steam is a real option to consoles. Linux is any option over windows 8 and open gl can and will go beyond ms only API then you have nvidia who are developing cuda. Seriously sonic go and download a few game engine demos, buy some pc games with the full editor and dig into that.

We bring pc up because it is a reality and if you want the best then you go for the best. Unfortunately there is no nintendo on pc.

Pc, mods, level editors, steam and tons of indie friendly engines almost for free. Then you just get a wiiu for nintendo version of game play. If Nintendo made mods possible on the wiiu, true mods and or game engine access the system would compliment pc gaming even more.

It's great Sony has a following here but this better not turn into a vita or smash bro clone failure. I bet they are really frustrated to see so much hype not turn into sales. Beating up on nintendo is not going to get you any where though. I'd advise you go to the Sony fan articles and make sure they buy the hype instead of just giving it lip services.

clyde san1329d ago

@ scissor_runner
i have to agree with sonic989 here. your post was "nonsense at its maximum level"

I'm going to go along with the majority here and disagree with your posts and heres why.

1. You say sony has not solved a key problem, games. In response to that i say THE LAST OF US. That game looks freaking amazing everyone is gushing over it.

you think the company that has dominated and i mean DOMINATED the last two generations doesn't know about games?!?!

Again, the last of us, i only refer to it as it is the most recent example. GAMERS are dying for it!

but i guess your right, sony knows nothing about games, they never sold over millions of software right, only nintendo has? lets forget for example gran turismo.

2. then in your first post you said "When Sony tries to make games cloning nintendo game play they fail. First the smash/karting clones." but in your second post you say " Ok sonic what about that kart failure? What about that smash bros clone that failed? The list goes on. "

the list goes on yet you keep harping on the same two examples??

lets say you're right and sony's karting game and all stars where failures, so what? at least they attempted something new for there customers. maybe there karting game isn't the best, but props to sony for trying to bring one to there platform so that they can have a well rounded plattform with different kind of games.

nintendo made great games, sony is trying to emulate them, good for sony fans. on sony's platform you can get an amazing simulation racer (gran turismo) and an good, not great kart racer. on nintendos platform you can get an amazing kart racer and thats it, there is no great or even okay simulation racer that nintendo puts out.

this is why overall sony has a greater appeal and dominated nintendo in the home market with ps1 and ps2. they made a mistake and made a grossly overpriced ps3 and wii benefited with its much more cheaper price and innovate control scheme that was hugely imitated by competitors.

but try not to draw all your examples from sony's failures and look at the whole picture.

3. and lastly, what nintendo games were sony cloning when they came out with ICO/Shadow, uncharted, last of us, heavy rain, gran turismo, god of war, singstar, resistance etc..

sure sony may have copied the move controller from the wii mote, but my point is there are still many types of games and experience to be had on playstation that are not on nintendos systems.

you talk about sony's problems being games, but there are more games and pieces of software sold on ps1 ps2 and ps3 than there is on n64 gamecube, and wii.

i have a ps3, cus i don't get god of war, last of us, gran turismo and all sorts of cool experimental games like journey on wii.

and i have a wii cus i don't get mario, kirby and donkey kong.

stop the fanboyism.

ps. (resistance may have been sony trying to copy microsofts success with halo. my point, nintendo is not the be all end all - they are not some gold standard that all videogame companies try to live up to, though they are a great company. there are many good companies that make great games that are massive sales success too. it's much more likely that when microsoft entered this market they were looking at sony and the success sony was having and tried to emulate sony's practices more than they did nintendos to find the success that they(microsoft) eventually did. )

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TheEnigma3131330d ago

Actually it's 2.5 million bought and 4 million shipped.

xursz1329d ago

Shipped is correct. This is what Nintendo reported.

TheTwelve1330d ago

Oh don't worry, Deadpoole...the WiiU price will drop SOON. They can't get away with that price for this hardware for very long. - 12

RevXM1330d ago (Edited 1330d ago )

They can't?
Wii begs to differ.

Where I live the Wii cost nearly the same as a 360 (arcade version anyways) back when they came out.
That is outrageous, and its the same reason Im not getting a WiiU now.

Also that Wii U controller prolly aint as expensive to make as some of you think.
Rather low spec restitive plastic screen, audio jack and wireless connectivity to WiiU console, low res plastic lens camera and a wii sensor bar thingy. there is nothing really big about it although it is pretty cool.

The console hardfware it self surely is not worth much more than 100 bucks if even that, how much does that leave to the controller?
200 dollars? Lmao, there is just no way.
But Nintendo will get away with it anyways because they will have the lowest price vs the upcoming xbox and ps4.

Stroke6661329d ago

you guys are buggin out, the seven year old ps3/xbox360 are selling around the 300 mark( 199 if you sign in blood to get xbox live for two years) and the wii u which is better tech is selling around the same and its selling at a loss. you must not plan on getting the $600 dollar consoles that sonysoft may be coming out with, if their specs hold true. even with mods plan on spending $100-$150 more the wii u premium. as for the gamepad being cheaper than they say, i think your forgetting the gyroscope, accelerometers and g sensor tech in it. the mic, the plastic TOUCH screen, stereo speakers, nfc, rumble sensor bar, lithium ion battery, yeah no way that can cost that much. lol its alot more than a wii mote with a screen

herbs1329d ago

I guarantee there will be a significant price drop (prob $100) the same week the Orbangos launch (prob late November) accompanied with must have Nintendo exclusives.

squarecircle1329d ago

You may disagree with the price of the Wii U, but the fact is they can't drop the price. They're already selling the console at a loss and it would be insane if they made even more of a loss on each console.

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Trekster_Gamer1330d ago

Speak for yourself! I love a powerful system. A powerful system is more, MUCH more than mere graphics.

CASUAL CONSOLE gamers most likely don't care or have any idea of what processing power is all about.

Serious gamers do care!

deSSy27241330d ago

Than buy a PC...... i have a PS3 and Wii for exclusives and PC for multiplats.

kopite961330d ago

what utter tripe, iv been playing games for donkeys years, i dont give a hoot about power and graphics, im here for the gameplay, iv owned almost every console.

i concider myself a serious gamer, i look at the console im buying and ask does it meet what i want if the answer is yes then its all good.

to call people not serious gamers because they dont give to ****s about the specs is just ignorant, does it really matter what the WII U has, i own one and i find it fun and enjoyable and i find the ps3 fun and enjoyable, and thats the main focus here

TheLeapist1330d ago (Edited 1330d ago )

Yeah it drives me nuts when people try and claim that a more powerful machine merely means larger textures and a higher polygon count. If you think that all games this gen could be simply dumbed down in graphics to work on last gen consoles and still maintain the exact same gameplay, then you are sorely mistaken.

givemeshelter1329d ago

@Trekster
Then your best bet is buying a custom built gaming PC if you love power. You will never get power from a console based on its closed architectural design.

WiiUsauce1329d ago

if you're a "serious gamer" that cares about graphics, then you shouldn't even be anywhere near a console and game solely on PC if you care about graphics that much, noob.

RememberThe3571329d ago

If you don't care about graphics and power then don't upgrade. It's pretty simple. I'm a console gamer and the only thing that has impressed me on the Wii U is Xenoblade.

If I'm going to go out and buy a new console it needs to blow me away. The Wii U hasn't done that as I've been seeing what the Wii U can do for 7 years on the 360 and PS3.

@TheLeapist: I don't get why your getting so many disagrees; your completely right. This fuckin site is so out of touch with reality sometimes. Why reject reality just to defend your position in an argument?

Oh and I cursed, I guess you'll have to take my last bubble...

Main_Street_Saint1329d ago

@Trekster,

How ironic, serious gamer.

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shutUpAndTakeMyMoney1330d ago (Edited 1330d ago )

I still want a wiiU eventually becuase of some good looking games. but It is still weakU.

More excited for ps4 though.

GraveLord1330d ago

Actually more like 2.5million.
4 Million is the number they expect to ship by the end of March which is down from their previous 5.5m forecast. At the moment it is looking extremly likely they will miss their 4m forecast as well.

No, graphics aren't everything, but then again power is more than just graphics. Think about that for a second.

bullymangLer1329d ago

Okay. So nintendos gonna show us what their games will look likewith a ps3 or 360 powerd system = wiiU

And all i hear is confused people talking bout the ps4 this 720 that? . Yep this years E3 is gonna blow your souLs away

SilentNegotiator1329d ago (Edited 1329d ago )

When will the denial end? CASUAL gamers don't care about graphics, but the core absolutely do. Stop seeing the Wii as a benchmark; it was one of the first consoles ever marketing towards "weight loss" and grannies, etc.

Nintendo didn't make a very generational leap and even made the hardware weaker in some areas next to 7th gen systems.

Everyone knows that the "hidden power" stuff isn't worth it. Even for the slightly more impressive things PS3 did than the 360 some times, it wasn't worth all of the iffy ports it got.

It doesn't have to be a bad thing that Wii U isn't very strong considering that it launched in 2012; maybe it will perk back up and start selling well again. But for a lot of people, it's very disappointing and fanatics have to deal with that.

Stroke6661329d ago

ummmm I'm what the kids nowadays would call a core gamer. and i couldnt care less about graphics, when i played coleco vision didnt give a shit, atari, i didnt give a shit, nes, i didnt give a shit, sega master system genesis snes turbo graphix so on and so forth you get the jist. I'm an old school core gamer that plays games for the gaming experience, graphics is in most cases just a perk not a nessecity. people have seemed to obliterate the thick line between a core gamer and a graphic whore. the core gamer will argue on all side of this debate for you. the newbie graphics whore who thinks he is a core gamer cause he only plays game with blood and an m rating cause mommy lets him would say exactly what you just did. and wii u is simply stronger than last gen builds period not equal not weaker in some areas simply more powerful no matter how miniscule. will the next sonysoft outing be more powerful? i cant wait to see but my wallet sure can lmao

SilentNegotiator1329d ago

I didn't care that games were 8/16-bit either.....in the 80s and early 90s, that is.

We've come a long way and embracing nicer graphics isn't a weakness.

007Bond1329d ago

I don't even see the WII U as a gamers console, so many families who never play video games have it in their living room. It's like the new trend that every other robot follows it will die out eventually and Nintendo will be no more.

WiiUsauce1329d ago (Edited 1329d ago )

Console gamers do care about graphics to a certain extent. Graphics aren't everything, but pretty visuals are needed for a game to be more immersive and engrossing. But the graphics argument with the Wii U is irrelevant.

Just look at how amazing and utterly beautiful the graphics in the single player campaign of Halo 4 are. And they're being pulled off on a platform less powerful than the Wii U, PS3 and of course the PC.

There will be drop dead gorgeous games on the Wii U in the years to come. They might not be as impressive as what's gonna be done on the other two 8th generation consoles, but still they will look great enough to immerse you in whatever worlds game developers design for the Wii U.

Starfox171329d ago (Edited 1329d ago )

It's been official in my eyes that the wiiu gpu is a modified E6760 from the moment both IGN and NEOGAF emailed AMD and got this response.

http://www.ign.com/boards/t...

sorry guys but even digital foundry said themselves 30% of wiiu gpu is unknown ? plus the 550 mhz is just 50mhz shaved off the E6760 simple,what it doesn't say is the EDRAM is alot faster than GDDR5 ect alot alot faster.

E6760 scores a higher vantage score than the HD4850 and with less power ? look it up the HD 4850 runs at 1.1 terraflops the E6760 576 gigaflops,so terraflops mean nothing.

Basically a very Memory Heavy chip design,as well as all the modern architecture for todays standards makes the WIIU NEXTGEN end of memory is what developers wanted most.

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Ezz20131330d ago (Edited 1330d ago )

the GPU is more powerful than 360/ps3..not by much
but is bottlenecked by the CPU
if that's what i'm reading
which i worse than xbox360 CPU and not even close to ps3 CPU

so we can now finally rule out any next-gen pretensions for the Wii U

a_adji1330d ago

Although I won all the systems to date I actually enjoy the Wii U and it gets the most play right now.

What exactly is next gen these days? be careful what you wish for with graphics because it will cost you £££££ big time.

Personally, I don't even understand those figures but I love the experience right now.

kayoss1330d ago

you need to remember something. Cost wont be much of an issue with the PS4 or the nextbox why? because in technology standards... what we will be seeing in the Next gen will be old tech. Old tech means the cost will be dramatically lower then if they were using new technology. You look at current gaming PC, they have the most high end and up to date technology and the cost of a gaming PC is near $1000. Next gen sony and microsoft is doing the smart move and doing a low production cost consoles.

MasterCornholio1330d ago

"What exactly is next gen these days? be careful what you wish for with graphics because it will cost you £££££ big time. "

Not really just subtract the tablet controller and add that money to the actual hardware of the console and you could get much better results.

I expect the PS4 and the 720 to be around 399€ at launch.

vulcanproject1330d ago (Edited 1330d ago )

Well....can't say I didn't always say so lol. I said for a long time even before the launch clearly it is not very much faster than 360 and PS3, and after made it very clear that the GPU was only slightly quicker AT BEST than Xenos in Xbox 360.

It is almost certainly slower than a desktop Radeon 4650 because of having half the TMU's and reduced clockspeeds as well as seemingly less usable memory bandwidth.

I banged on about the TDP of the machine pointing out the absolute certainty it cannot be much faster than PS3/360, it was just impossible with such a low design power consumption with current known technology.

The GPU is perfectly competitive to RSX and Xenos, but nothing mind blowing that could make up for CPU deficiences so easily as some people have claimed.

Consider that even a Radeon 7670 touted to potentially be in the next Xbox would be at least twice as fast. If Orbis is anything like 2 teraflops, that would be roughly 5 times faster conservatively.

Nintendo don't care, people buying it don't care which is fine. It is just good to see the maximum capabilities a bit better defined.

miyamoto1330d ago (Edited 1330d ago )

Nice analysis...puzzle solved.thanks

everything has fallen into place

from software drought, HD remasters fillers, third party collaborations, first party developer unification & integration... Ninty has a lot of homework to do.

"Nintendo's in-house development teams are only now coming to terms with what it takes to create software in high definition, and we can expect future release to be more visually advanced that what has already come, president Satoru Iwata has told investors.

"I may add that each game console has its own unique qualities, and developers must go through a trial and error phase to acquire the knack of taking full advantage of them," said Iwata. "This time does not come until a final version of the hardware and development tools for the version have been made available and then a base for software development has been established.

"For Wii U, such a time finally came in the latter half of last year. In this sense, we could not avoid the trial and error stage to create games which take full advantage of the hardware. I think that this is true for third-party software developers as well as Nintendo's. The home consoles of other companies are six or seven years old and software developers have sufficiently studied them and know how to take full advantage of them well. As Wii U is new to them, some developers have already acquired the knack and made good use of its features and others have not.

"You might see this gap among the games that are currently available. However, we are not much concerned about this problem because time will eventually solve it. Actually, we believe that our in-house development teams have almost reached the next stage."

Iwata added that "it is not true that we are deadlocked with a lot of trouble in our development. Otherwise, we could not aim for 100 billion yen or more in operating profit for the next fiscal year".

Shigeru Miyamoto added: "We already went through this initial learning phase and are now tackling how to take full advantage of high-definition graphics. In this sense, retraining our developers used to be a great hurdle."

The Mario creator also revealed that Nintendo's inexperience with high definition development is one of the reasons the platform holder has chosen to partner with external studios more versed in the art.

"The other point is that many of our third-party software developers have been dedicated to technologies like shaders. As Wii U is designed to bring out their real strengths, there have recently been more cases where we develop something with their help," said Miyamoto. "It has been more convenient for us to work together with them because they have been able to more smoothly utilize their know-how for development for Wii U."

They had no choice but to launch Wii U before PS4 and capitalize on multi-platform games that can be ported on PS3/360 for the next 1-2 years
and top developers like ND mastered & maxed the PS3 for 7-8 years....so....

Good Luck Nintendo.

Zhipp1330d ago

I highly doubt that Nintendo would put a CPU in their system that would bottleneck their GPU. I wouldn't even do that with my own PC, and I'm not putting hundreds of millions of dollars on the line like they are. We're still missing something. Do we have the die shot of the CPU yet? That might answer a few more questions.

Computersaysno1330d ago (Edited 1330d ago )

The cpu is miniscule. Nintendo said that the machine is heavily GPU biased themselves.

It isnt about development cost it is about manufacturing cost. The small central processor is cheap to make.

The cpu in your pc is many times larger, faster and of course more expensive to make.

profgerbik1329d ago

Not like I ever needed someone else to tell me this. Hell I could've written that article but no I am just a troll for pointing out the obvious months in advance.

Starfox171329d ago

Its about 5x the power of the ps3 ect.

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DivineAssault 1330d ago (Edited 1330d ago )

i knew it wasnt going to be able to compete nx gen.. Doesnt matter cuz the games will still look decent in HD.. It not being able to run full 3D games in native 1080p is disappointing but ive been playing em like that this entire gen so i can handle it from em...

1st party games only again is prolly how itl play out with a few good 3rd party gems here n there..

& decrypt ^^^ wii u only sold around 2.5 million