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Submitted by GoldenElf 543d ago | article

PlayStation 4 Should Focus on Innovation, Not Power

Tynan Muddle at Aussie-Gamer.com writes: "Sony need to focus less on sheer power for PlayStation 4 and more on groundbreaking features if they want to recapture their former glory."

When PlayStation 2 was released onto the world back in 2000, it captured the worlds imagination not because of its power, but because of its revolutionary features. DVD playback, digital sound and connecting to the internet in a relatively easy way were the hallmarks of what is still one of the most popular consoles of all time." (PS4, Sony)

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smashcrashbash  +   543d ago | Well said
*rolls eyes*. Yeah because Nintendo and Microsoft were really innovative this gen unlike Sony. What did they do again? A wag stick that got old really fast and a camera that got old even faster? Can I ask why people are always scolding Sony about being innovative when it was them that tried to make their system into a multimedia device long before everyone else pulled their heads out of the sand and decided to do it too. What was it people said then? 'Sony should concentrate on games and not a whole bunch of features because people want GAME CONSOLES and nothing else?'Sorry to burst your bubble but the 360 and Wii had less features then the PS3 did at the beginning.Lets not pretend that they didn't. It was Sony that made a built in interactive world for people to play around in, a first for a console.Sony never concentrated only on the PS3's power.And they won't with the PS4 either.
Zodiac  +   543d ago
Yeah because Nintendo and Microsoft were really innovative this gen unlike Sony. What did they do again? A wag stick that got old really fast and a camera that got old even faster?

Innovation is innovation. It doesn't matter how long it lasts or if people even like it. It's innovative by definition.

I agree with the rest of your post. I think PS Home is a very innovative feature that should be explored more by Sony for the ps4, but the Wii and Ds themselves, as well as the Kinnect were huge steps outside each companies comfort zone.

It's not that Sony wasn't innovative at all this gen, but they did not innovate to the level of Nintendo and Microsoft. Some like that and some don't.
Dylila  +   543d ago
innovate like the wii u? i want power and games not worst control scheme that makes your hands hurt and distract from game.

nothing is wrong with traditional controllers and im fine with it. also there isnt a thing wrong with having a lot of power. since im a gamer and its my hobby im willing to pay for quality.
Elwenil  +   543d ago
Innovating is rolling the dice. It can go good or bad. Look at the Wii, it was innovative and it reached new audiences as a result. Kinect and Move were innovative but were not accepted by the 360's and the Ps3's gamers and were basically rejected. Even Sony's 3D seems to be forgotten now. The WiiU's controller is innovative, but so far looks like it's 50/50 if it's going to be accepted by players. If the players don't accept it and love it, the developers will not use it and so it gets left behind. If you innovate, you can win or lose depending on more variables than I care to count. If you play it safe, you may be left behind by an innovative competitor. Personally for this next gen coming in, I hope they all play it a bit conservative. Just give us raw power in the systems and solid games that we all want. Innovation that works and is accepted is like hitting one out of the park, but the chances of that happening are very slim.

So are we really starving for innovation? Do we want something new or do we really just want gaming that we are familiar and comfortable with that's just bigger, faster, better looking, etc? Innovation is great and I'm sure there are mind-blowing innovations in the future that will change gaming as we know it, but is that what we want now? It's a gamble either way.
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Norrison  +   543d ago
@Elwenil
Wii, Kinect and move were welcomed by their target audiences, not core gamers
Sony's 3D wasn't innovative, 3D gaming was around before that.

An innovative project that fails can lead to an innovative project that succeeds.
Eyeco  +   543d ago
Just to add to what Smashcrashgrab's well said comment ,the word innovation has been thrown about allot this gen, for example people seem to forget that innovation does NOT mean improvement, the wii mote was a different way of playing games but it was never a better way of playing games hence why most 3rd party devs essentialy shunned the wii this gen, in favor of the ps3/360.

At best the Wii mote just worked, at best the controls were just responsive ,nothing more at worst the games were pretty much unplayable,I mean the best game on the console is arguably Mario Galaxy did the Wii's so called 'innovative' controls really benefit that game by that much ? it would have played just as well with a traditional controller , there's a reason why the controller isn't held in high regard in 2013 especially when you compare it to raves of 2006. Innovation is great dont get me wrong ,that said its also somewhat overrated based on the fact that it doesn't always mean better
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scofios  +   543d ago
@Zodiac

What inovation did Microsoft agian ??
Please don't tell me it's that media overblown eyetoy kinect.
nintendoland  +   543d ago
@Dyllia

But dualshock controller sucks
Army_of_Darkness  +   543d ago
If you don't want more power, don't buy a PS4 and just stick to that "innovative" console called the wiiU. Have fun with that;-)
Zodiac  +   543d ago
@ army of darkness. Never said anything about the PS4 or the Wii U. I was talking about innovation and who did it bigger.

You somehow turned that into a hate message against the PS4 and my love for the Wii U?

could you explain your reasoning for that?
aCasualGamer  +   543d ago
Power is needed, that will lead to innovation from devs. Provide options like PSMove and the right power and devs will make of it a great experience.

But never try to force what you consider to be innovation, as a hardware manufacturer it's really difficult to know what innovation will be like in the coming 5-6 years. Nintendo were super lucky that Wiisports worked the way it did. If it weren't for those live presentations of wii sports tennis... Wii would never have sold that amount.

So either be really lucky and nail the jackpot or don't try to force innovation through hardware.

Instead, focuse on games and power. This is what Sony has done for the last couple of console releases and it has worked well.
Perjoss  +   543d ago
"What inovation did Microsoft agian ??"

1. Achievements (which Sony, Valve & Blizzard 3 of the biggest names in gaming totally copied)

2. Front end UI accessible anytime by pressing the xbox button (again, Sony totally copied this with a patch that came later on)

I'm just saying.
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Eyeco  +   543d ago
@Perjoss
those aren't Innovations, I'm sorry, 1st of all achievements have been in gaming for years ,all microsoft did was intergrate it into XBL, but the real question is do achievements really benefit gaming that much to be considered an "innovation" lol not really some people see it as one of the worst things to happen to console gaming in recent years

Home button, thats not much of an innovation , console gaming would be fine without it, but wait a minute didn't the PSP originally have a home button. Again innovation is a word that gets thrown about allot this gen
SilentNegotiator  +   542d ago
The problem is that pubs/devs aren't asking for "innovation" (the wiimote and Kinect benefited a very limited group of pubs/devs)....they're ASKING for MORE POWER. RUH RUH RUH RUH!! (lol, references)

DICE, Epic Games, EA, etc, etc, etc have been constantly whining about console limitations for 2-3 years now.

They want to make bigger, better games. They don't care about a touchscreen, camera, motion, etc.
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profgerbik  +   543d ago
Yea that is a load of crap they were also the first people to ever try getting their handheld to actually have real integration between their console and they did just that. This goes as far back as the PS1 which I am sure most people didn't know.

Nintendo tried to do the same with the Wii U only to make a comment later about how they now want to have better integration between their handheld and console. What after they saw that the PS Vita and PS3 were already pushing the same ideas before?

I am not saying Nintendo has never done anything innovative but to sit there and act like Sony has never focused on innovation when they are the most innovative out of all the three to me in terms of really pushing systems towards the future is crazy.

Microsoft is by far the least innovative but they came out last and it will always be seen that way. I am not going to crap on people for copying ideas or trying to make them better, every single company in the world does this, every single person in the world builds on others ideas.

Hell everyone is still building off Einstein's E=Mc2 and people are still using Nikola Tesla's ideas even to this day simply improving upon them.

Still in terms of who has brought the most innovative ideas to light for me with gaming, it would have to be Sega and Sony. Don't even get me started on the Dreamcast, it is highly underrated and about all the features used in the Dreamcast people use heavily today.
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Skate-AK  +   543d ago
Bubz. Well said.
badz149  +   543d ago
Aussie-Gammer should focus on reviewing games
NOT telling HUGE corporations on how to design their next machines!

Power should be the number 1 focus IMO! you know why? with power, comes the room for innovations! with less power, it's not that you can't innovate but you will have less room to work with and many times you can't go on even if you want to due to lack of power! and with the lack of power, comes restrictions and with restrictions, you have to cut corners and that's almost always NOT GOOD ENOUGH!
Ezz2013  +   543d ago
very well said ,
i look at it this way
the media was bashing sony and said
"where are the games...who need blue-ray...psn suck"

yet every year since ps3 launch sony have been proving them wrong on every thing they said
the keep bring more quality games and new ip's
and as you can see 2013 is not different and i don't see that stopping anytime soon with ps3 along with ps4

blue-ray is indeed needed
how many times 3rd party dev come out and said they had to cut things out of games because the xbox360 DVD size

psn have been improved greatly and offer ALMOST everything live offer for free
and ps+ many now see it as the best online sevise in term of value

sony keep prove those "gaming media" wrong...and yet they are still coming after sony till this day

smh
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showtimefolks  +   543d ago
Smashcrashbash

Thing is only Sony has to while others aren't held to same standards.

Like when ps3 started psn was bad and everyone was pissed now Nintendo is offering a bad service yet people are saying its gonna take time. What Nintendo didn't learn anything from Microsoft or Sony?

As far as I am concerned if Sony keeps delivering exclusive content I will support them. Now here is a company doing something other than 3-4 franchises again and again by Nintendo and Microsoft. The last great new IP from Nintendo was pikmin but everyone is ok with another Mario,Zelda,halo,gears,forza

Oh no but if there is anther god of war or uncharted game than Sony isn't doing new things. Give me a damn break

American gaming media is so bIasad it's not even funny. Nintendo gets a free pass because that's Nintendo and they are everyone's little darling who could do no wrong. MS gets a free pass because well its an American company

Paid xblive
Halo
Gears
Forza

Every other year where are the games? They can show crappy dance games or kinect games at E3 and media will make a case for them and say they won the E3 because MS offered them free consoles.

SONY SHOULD DO WHAT IT DID FOR LAST 4-5 YEARS AND DELIVER GAMES,GREAT PSN SERVICE,GREAT PSN PLUS AND KEEP BUYING STUDIOS FOR LONG TERM SUCCESS OF PLAYSTATION BRAND
MacDonagh  +   543d ago
"Nintendo gets a free pass because that's Nintendo and they are everyone's little darling who could do no wrong."

I've seen plenty of anti-Nintendo articles from various news outlets over the years.

You should check out NeoGaf. They really love Nintendo over there.

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solar  +   543d ago
someone please tell me what's so innovative about the ps3? blue tooth? ive found nothing innovative with my ps3.
Aceman18  +   543d ago
the same can be said of the 360 there's nothing innovative about it either.

to be honest other than the novelty of motion controls neither of the big 3 had anything super innovative this gen.
aceitman  +   543d ago
The wii u is innovating with the wiiu tablet, right now it's not doing good . If Sony steps up a few noches with what they have now and step up bigger with the games which I now they will it can get back to the ps2 gaming days. And I have a wii u its ok , I'm not to sure if I going to keep it if Nintendo doesn't step up on the games.
chukamachine  +   543d ago
Stop talking sense on this site. do you hear me. It is forbidden!

More power, better a.i, better destruction, hgher quality textures,models.

erm, yeah i'll take the power.
Septic  +   543d ago
I can't believe people agree with your post.

Nintendo didn't innovate? The motion controller was a HUGE innovation in itself. Why did Sony then do a last minute botch job that was the SixAxis? Sony sure innovated there right?

Microsoft didn't innovate? What about the achievement system that Sony then copied and called the Trophy system? Sony innovated there? What about cross game chat and a proper online interface that, in its original form 7 years ago, still is superior to PSN's functionality.

Lumbering in a blu ray drive isn't really innovation.
bothebo  +   543d ago
So should we have less power in next generation consoles? It's funny because the idea of less power in a computer and innovation directly contradict one another.
BitbyDeath  +   543d ago
More power will lead to innovation in games.
What's more important than that?
AznGaara  +   543d ago
You are right. We got Kinect cause of the advancements in tech, otherwise we'd be stuck with the EyeToy. The WiiU is able to stream to the gamepad cause it has more power than the Wii. The list goes on.
clearelite  +   543d ago
As long as AAA dev costs are reasonable and it is low budget/indy friendly, I welcome more power.

It will likely be powerful enough to run Battlefield 4 and Planetside 2 quite well.
Gaming_Guru  +   543d ago
You beat me to it we are where we are because hardware is getting better. I think why the XBOX wasn't that much of an improvement over the PS2 because of the media disk. This would be the only time where I would say more power did nothing, because being on the same media disk only limited the game to the same space. It's like saying you have more people in your classroom than mine. As appose to the PS3 to the XBOX 360, the PS3 is on Blu-ray allowing more space and more possibilities. This is like saying my degree gives me more opportunities than your GED.

I would say more power in tandem with the right hardware is where new possibilities are created.
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MasterCornholio  +   543d ago
I completely agree. If people were ludites and rejected technological advancement in consoles we would be stuck playing crappy 16bit side scrollers for the rest of our lives. Instead people embraced advancement in technology and if it wasnt for this we wouldnt be able to play games like GTAV, Dishonored, The Witcher 2 etc.
Godmars290  +   543d ago
The PS3 was innovative in that it used Blu-ray and the Cell. Ignoring the misstep of programming architecture, look where that got them.
JetP0619  +   543d ago
they've made a lot of mistakes, especially with the cell as that seemed to be the core of the problem for developers thats for sure. But theyre back on the top right now are they not? For a console that launched with a ridiculous price and not enough games, they still Delivered that's a fact. Sony will pretty much deliver again with the Ps4 especially after learning from all the past mistakes.
Gaming_Guru  +   543d ago
The PS3 was only a hundred more dollars than the XBOX 360, it baffles my mind that people think $499.99 is so different than $599.99 but will buy phones in the $999.99 range. On top of that XBOX Live $59.99 and rechargeable batteries unless you wanted to pay for standard ones all the time it would even out.

Anyone in IT would see the value in the PS3 for a hundred dollar difference.
Godmars290  +   543d ago
@Gaming_Guru:
Yeah, still baffles me that most of the gaming media/community saw the Xbox when it had a noisy yet standard DVD drive, an overpriced/smaller HDD if you bought it separately as the better deal versus the PS3 which not only played RD upscaled regular DVDs. And then could take most off the shelf HDDs if you didn't want to use the one it came with, the smaller of which was still offered more memory than what MS was pushing.

@JetP0619:
Besides the introduction and alteration of PSN+ from a discount to a leasing game service, eat humble pie and shift away from single player titles, Sony really hasn't done anything different than when they started this gen.
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juandren  +   543d ago
Technology leads to innovation. You wouldn't see Move or Kinect get done on PS2 hardware, that's for sure. It's like saying a women needs a man, but a man doesn't need a woman. We need each other to survive. The author is contradicting himself. Just looking at the number of patents Sony files yearly will tell you how set they are to innovate next-gen
jivah  +   543d ago
Does the eyetoy escape ya mind? It did many concepts of the move on ps2 as well as the kid friendly kinect bs that took place.. granted it was hindered by the tech available but it was still done.
juandren  +   543d ago
Lol I know it was done. I enjoyed it a lot. But if you held a white piece of paper in front of the camera you were able to get a high score in most of the games (I exploited this hack A LOT). Technology has evolved and thus the PlayStation Eye (and subsequently the moved) and the Kinect innovations evolved thanks to better technology. I agree with the just of your point, though.
Pozzle  +   543d ago
Why not focus on both?
Double_Oh_Snap  +   543d ago
Stole the words out of my mouth.
Ezz2013  +   543d ago
it's like those lame articles that say
"focus on the gameplay, not story"

both (power and innovation)are needed
you can't have innovation without power ..which allow for more freedom for the dev to do what they want
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The_Infected  +   543d ago
^ exactly the way I see it.
Outside_ofthe_Box  +   543d ago
Because that wouldn't stir up needless debate.
KwietStorm  +   543d ago
Its the same silly mentality that good graphics = everything else about this game takes a backseat.

Oh and innovation doesn't automatically equal greatness. There are plenty of innovative ideas out there that don't end up working for a multitude of reasons, one of which being the public just refused it.
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Eyeco  +   543d ago
Exactly remember that game Scribblenauts and how innovative and great it sounded , yet it was poorly executed, Innovation is one thing execution and refinement is another, having both is extremely rare
Ultraplayerxp  +   543d ago
Because that's cheating! Everyone knows you can only have one and not the other!
Ddouble  +   542d ago
Shhhhh, you're making too much sense.

But really I don't know why they find it hard to comprehend that you can do both.

The power of the console will be the foundation laid down while it's games, features and peripheral will provide the innovation.

Simples
DivineAssault  +   543d ago
sony will do whatever they feel is needed for nx gen... Whether it be innovation or power.. Could be a balance of both.. Idk & i dont care really.. All i know is that devs will be making all the new games with that tech in mind so ill have to move on regardless which route is taken..They arent going to make dark souls 3, MGS 5, Soul Calibur 6, etc on current gen so whatever they do, im stuck dealing with.. I have no doubt it will be good regardless
Gamer39  +   543d ago
Innovation very important, only power not everything. Look Vita.

PlayStation 2 ist a king, my one favorite console and ps1.
The power:
GC>ps2
Xbox>ps2
Innovation and many AAA exklusive games. This need ps4, only power a little.
zaz12  +   543d ago
was that written in English?
Gamer39  +   543d ago
KZ avatar..
No question, your favorite innovation only graphics.
HC gamer.
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Sketchy_Galore  +   543d ago
Sounds good in theory but in practice when it comes to hardware, 'innovation' usually tends to mean 'gimmicks'. The innovation should come from the games, the console should be a solid and supportive canvas for that innovation and nothing more. No forced waggling, prodding or hula hooping please, just give us a user friendly way of experiencing the innovative and creative works made by the game makers.
Reborn  +   543d ago
One without the other, makes no sense.
Clarence  +   543d ago
Sony has never had a problem with innovation. Who in the hell wrote this article. The thing is Sony is good enough to make the next the Playstation innovative and powerful.
No gimmicks just gaming.

The PS3 was a game changer. Blu-ray, wifi, and internet surfing. M$ nor Nintendo cared about this until the PS3 came out.

Sony never lost there glory. M$ had to change everything they thought a game console should be.
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NastyLeftHook0  +   543d ago
its like me saying....

racers should not focus on making there race cars faster...

get newer cupholders.
Adolph Fitler  +   543d ago
Screw that, Sony need to give us a bohemiath of raw, killer, power, that allows developers to make the innovations where it counts....You can hope for some stupid, flash in the pan gimmick to associate with your system (like Wii Nunchuck & Wii-U's Ipad-esque thing), but at the end of the day, console gamers want to play with a gamepad, as we always have (it's much of the reason why we choose to play consoles), so this type of stupid story is one of my fears, & that is to have Sony follow the cheap, easy, gimmicky way that Nintendo have chosen, compromising power & all the things I have always looked for in a console upgrade, to doing the stuff that turns me off them (as with Wii, as it disgusted me, that Nintendo had gone from NES & SNES, that were the most powerful of there time, & even N-64 & GC which at least, kept up with competition powerwise).

Buy a Nintendo if ya wanna a useless, outdated gimmick, along with hardware.....otherwise, make that Sony machine a monster of power, cause I, as a Sony fan, want nothing less....No gimmicky controllers, no Kinect crap that is AT LEAST 15yrs off giving us what it is aiming for (if it even ever can). There is only one way to console game, & that is with a pad...So all Sony need do is revolutionize there dual shock a bit, to make it undeniably the best controller for console gaming ever (I already think PS controllers are best, but I am realistic enough to know that improvements are not only possible, but neccessary....1st cab off rank is make the triggers bigger).
BoNeSaW23  +   543d ago
SONY needs to keep delivering Hardcore games, New IP's and Genre Defining games as they have the last 7 years. You all know the titles i'm talking about.

And the Move,which i'm not a fan of unless it's a rail-shooter, did a great job incorporating motion into MANY non-motion games and did it very well. So it paid off in the end IMO.

I have been a gamer for 25 years and do not know a single gamer who stood in line at midnight for a Wii or ran out for a Kinect. Those are for the young and casual players. Let Nintendo and Microsoft cater to them, they will not be around long to support a System or IP.

SONY give GAMERS games. That's all we want. PS4 Day 1!
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Qrphe  +   543d ago
But the lack of power limits developers. Give power and have devs use that power to innovate.
madjedi  +   543d ago
@author stay the hell away from any game or console development you aren't helping.
And 20 bucks says the mindless sheep screaming for innovation, wouldn't know it if it bite them in the ass.

Seriously define innovation, then define why said games is in desperate need of innovation.

Cod is ragged on for an old obsolete engine, piss poor spawning and shitty netcode and dumbed down gameplay.

Each one of those can broken into specific elements/complaints.

Lets see more user generated content allowing players to personalize the game/characters, within reason to their personal tastes. A more cohesive gaming experience regardless of if your on a handheld or a console, like the vita-ps3 combo.

Unique gaming experiences that can only on the playstation platform, how much more "innovation" does sony need, new ips they are on the way.

Please someone link me a developer screaming to ms or sony, no we do not want more power we have more than we will ever use already.

Hey 25-30 yrs from now when graphics are capped out essentially for good not a problem. We are barely getting to the maximum resolutions of most tvs 1080p on games actually most games are 720p if that even.

And you want sony, to gimp the ps4 on power(which will lead to inferior games) for the sake of innovation which is really on relevant to the individual games and not the system as a whole.
broken_back-man  +   543d ago
sorry but the wiiu isnt innovative, it has a tablet as a cobteoller and you can only use onecofvthem and nintendo calls that Asymmetrical gameplay howexciting a flaw as a "feature" wiiu had no good 1st party games kinnect stole playstaion eyes idea good innovation ms???? what a joke!!!!!!!!!!
ziggurcat  +   543d ago
no. the focus should be on power... that way, they can innovate all they want if they have the power to do the innovative things.
level 360  +   543d ago
Quite sure we really don't have to tell them this.

In my opinion though it's the game developers' who really needs to focus on more innovations and ideas.. it's just that a small group of them sometimes gets a little bit lazy for the simple fact of just making more money out of a very ordinary and oftentimes same games as all the others.

With Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo etc. they really have a lot to lose if they build a sub-par console., so I'm pretty sure they know and have their own systems.
thebudgetgamer  +   543d ago
Sony allowed games like LBP, Journey, Flower, Flow and other games like that be made. They were also way ahead of the curve when it came to being a multi-media device.
coolasj  +   543d ago
Hardware =/= Software
ooquis  +   543d ago
Sony provides a powerful console so that developers can be Innovative.
Drainage  +   543d ago
lmao at sony fans not wanting innovation only power. get a fricken PC then idiots. it can do all that bs you guys are wanting. multimedia device like the first comment lmao
baodeus  +   543d ago
@tenton

so what does a fast car do if the driver don't have the skill to use it? Like let say I give you the fastest car in the world, can you win a professional race? and the faster the car go, the harder it is to control, and most likely will kill you (look at how ps3 is doing compare to ps2, look at how PC is doing compare to console gaming) so your analogy doesn't really work here.

Here is a straight up question:

Would you say JRPG this gen are better than Chrono Trigger that ran on the snes system? If it doesn't, then what does having all that power do for you?

It is not the look or power, see how game like walking dead, journey, limbo, Trial evolution, bastion, etc...which doesn't need the power to have innovative game play or story.

AAA games come with a problem that it needs to sell well, or you can go bankrupt (pure bad business decision) therefore taking less risk (if something sell, just keep it the way it is). See why everyone trying to adopt COD, and why COD can't really change from their game play either.

Look what most developer wanted to do with the power? increase AA, dynamic lighting, polygons, etc....these all seems to focus on just look and look get stale overtime. You need substance, not look.

Indie games are where most innovation come from this gen and looks like they don't need all that bell and whistle to do it.

GAME should be about FUN and you don't need power to have fun. I think most so call gamers (or gamer on N4G) really don't understand what game is about if at all.
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EffectO  +   543d ago
It has innovation.Small touchpad in the middle of dualshock.
black911  +   543d ago
Should Focus on what you know best!
abzdine  +   543d ago
Sony focuses on both. seriously clean your eyes see how much variety in games PS3 is giving.
SnipeySnake  +   543d ago
I want innovative/unique games, not hardware.
GribbleGrunger  +   543d ago
It will do both.
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The Swapper Review (PS4/PS Vita) - punkandlizard

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