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Submitted by AbsoluteZelda 1100d ago | opinion piece

Is Experimentation in Nintendo Games Really a Good Thing?

Nintendo has so many iconic franchises, it’s ridiculous. Out of the big three companies, only Nintendo has unique franchises that are hitting their 25th anniversary. The Ratchet and Clanks, Jak and Daxters, and Sly Coopers of the PS2 era were phenomenal while they lasted, but eventually waned in popularity or just ceased being made altogether. Somehow, Mario, Link, and even Fox McCloud with his rather small staple of games have managed to stay relevant to gamers and maintain enormous fanbases. For a game series to survive decades, it has to evolve with the times, right? (3DS, Nintendo, Nintendo DS, Wii, Wii U)

PopRocks359  +   1100d ago | Well said
The thing is those games do experiment to some degree. The overall formula is the same but here's where I see the differences;

Where in Majora's Mask were you sailing across a gigantic ocean map? Where in Mario Galaxy were you cleaning the world and using a water powered jetpack? One could also argue that the Metroid Prime trilogy was to Super Metroid what Super Mario 64 did after Super Mario World.

I never really thought it was that difficult to see. These franchises do new things with old formulas and present them in newer ways, often complimenting the older gameplay style and making them work in more modern times.

It is sort of like how people continue to enjoy 2D games despite us being a decade into the 21st century; there are some things that just work and don't require an exponential amount of change. Forcing change for the sake of it will only hinder that franchise's evolution. I cite Sonic, Spyro and just about any modern sequel to a Rare game since the Xbox era as examples.
TruthbeTold  +   1100d ago
It's kind of like Disney characters and general story formula arsenal. So many great games have been made using those characters, that those characters now are expected to, and do appear in a variety of situations, and attract a lot of great talent to their development teams. Furthering their appeal to people across the decades.

Sony and MS came along a bit later in the gaming business. But if the kids who grew up playing and loving Ratchet and Clank and Halo still love them enough once their adults, or now that they are adults, then they will work to bring that sort of depth of history to those franchises by getting into the business and furthering it with their own development efforts. Mario is indeed King though. He's become exactly what Miyamoto first envisioned him as. The character you can use for just about any type of game.
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CouldHaveYelledUiiW  +   1100d ago
"Well Said" (But I wish that I could vote more)

I add that this is also reason that their are so many Mario titles.
When Nintendo makes a successful change like to 3D or Galaxy or PaperMario people want new versions of the old style of play.

People wanted a new 2D sidescroll Mario and they got it and soon a 3D Mario will follow-
Will it be like Galaxy or will it be something that Maximizes the unique properties of the WiiU?
But even if it is different people will probably want to revisit Mario Galaxy.

Some people still want a new 2D Metroid despite how great Metroid Pime was. So, if Nintendo gave us both, that would be two Metroid games on market per Gen. (I have even seen a rare few want a new but better Other M style Metroid).

Technically, If I look at Zelda games their are many IPs that could be spun from it. Just because the game has changed so much over the years.
-Zelda Majora Mask
-Zelda 2D
-Zelda 3D
- Zelda RPG (Adv. of Link 2)

BUT if this happened the Nintendo Haters would yell, "MILK!" & "NEW IPEEEEEEEEZZZZ!"

And I would follow, "But you haven't even tasted the old IPs."
TruthbeTold  +   1100d ago
Yeah, some non-Nintendo gamers often love to scream for new IP's, but don't even play what's available. Or, an old unused IP will come back be it like Kid Icarus, or the buying of Monolith Software and the Xeno series that comes with it, and people act like that's no good either. Fortunately, their numbers aren't as many as they'd like to believe, and as long as they aren't even playing these games they love to knock, who cares what they think?
lfclee  +   1100d ago
Wii u rocks and the gamers on Wii u community are the best I have ever meet really mature nice people .
tweet75  +   1100d ago
its always important to innovate at least try some will win some will loose. Look at metroid , metroid prime hugely innovated and was succesful. Metroid other M innovated and failed.
3-4-5  +   1100d ago
Yes, because even if the idea doesn't work in the game it was intended to, it's now out there as a known idea for other people to tinker with and include in their game.

What might not work for one game, might be perfect for another.

I have a ton of respect for those willing to try and be creative.
MidnytRain  +   1100d ago
No, they should just do the same thing for the next 100 years.
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AWBrawler  +   1100d ago
All I have to say is Mario 3 is nothing like Galaxy which is nothing like Mario 64. They always change the style. Look at Mario like an actor who starred in many movies. Nobody complains saying sean connery movies are all the same
Benjaminkno  +   1100d ago
They know what they're doing.
Nintendo doesn't rush a franchise installment just to get the money out of it... then again...

there was WindWaker...

They always do a good job.
If you can say anything about Nintendo, it's that they don't disappoint.
PopRocks359  +   1100d ago
I have to question you there. How was Wind Waker a rush job? It was a brand new rendering style on fairly new tech with an expansive as well as massive over world with huge dungeons and epic boss fights.

I would just like to hear your thoughts as to why you think it was rushed out.
Benjaminkno  +   1099d ago
Nintendo clearly states that there was content cut out of WindWaker so they could release it earlier. Get your facts before you spout about something you don't know.

And unfortunately, I have more complaints about it than any other Zelda in the series.

That's not to say it was bad... it's just my least favorite.
AWBrawler  +   1099d ago
Dude, WindWaker was not rushed. Its considered by many to be one of the best Zelda games, and it has one of the largest overworlds in Zelda history
Benjaminkno  +   1099d ago
Nintendo clearly states that content was cut out of WindWaker so they could release it earlier. Get your facts before you spout about something you don't know.

And unfortunately, I have more complaints about it than any other Zelda in the series.

That's not to say it was bad... it's just my least favorite.
Canary  +   1099d ago
You'd have half a point if you'd picked a more legitimate, clearly-rushed-to-meet-demand title.

Like the Wii port of Twilight Princess.

...Which is really the only example I can think of off the top of my head.

Maybe NSMB2, too? The 3DS version certainly feels rushed, given how atrocious the 3D effect is (all it does is blur the background).
PopRocks359  +   1099d ago
My facts are pretty straight actually. I just don't see how removing content from a game makes it a rush job. That happens with every large scale creative project. It's not exactly exclusive to this one game. It happens in movies, TV shows and obviously other video games.
AdvanceWarsSgt  +   1100d ago
I automatically ignore anyone who glosses over the changes made in Pokemon. If anyone can sit here and honestly say the battle mechanics for Gen 1 are the same as they are in Gen 5 then there's no point in even continuing discussion with that person.
Canary  +   1099d ago
Other than, you know, the fact that mature adults are capable of discussing any topic in a calm and dignified matter.

Refusing to discuss a topic doesn't make your position right: it just makes you look like a petulant child.

And, not that I know much about Pokemon, but I'm pretty sure the basic mechanics for all of the games are the same. Simple turn-based one-on-one fights using proxy avatars that can be swapped out mid-battle.
PopRocks359  +   1099d ago
I see what you're getting at, but in all honest, would you argue with someone who claims the sky will turn green tomorrow morning?

There are times where the concept of arguing with someone just isn't worth it and I think that's what AdvanceWarsSgt was getting at.
CouldHaveYelledUiiW  +   1099d ago

1st I get what your point and it is very wise and one that I have learned the hard way.

I just want to warn you that a "Green Sky" can be a sign of a Tornado or sever weather.

So, It's actually a real thing (as ridiculous as it sounds).

Google it.

Just don't want anybody to die cause they don't believe the man they think is "crazy", who ran into a building, and is yelling, "THE SKY IS GREEN!"
Canary  +   1099d ago
@Poprock: that's not a valid counterargument. That's hyperbole, not analogy.

An analogy would be refusing to discuss Star Wars with someone who likes the prequels more than the original trilogy.
kirbyu  +   1099d ago
Wind Waker HD DOES take away the feel of the original. They should just port the original, not remake it.

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