“They’ll be able to put a lot more characters on the screen and allow for hyperrealistic games,” Pachter said.
Sony’s new console will feature graphics chips developed by Advanced Micro Devices Inc. and processors capable of rendering games at 240 frames per second, Pachter said. Current-generation games typically render at 30 or 60 frames per second. As with past model changes, Sony will continue to produce and sell the almost 7-year-old PlayStation 3.
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That being said, there's no reason why the hardware wouldn't be powerful enough to pull it off. You can put a school bus driver behind the wheel of a Formula 1 car but chances are they aren't going to win any races. That's not the car's fault.
Sony are right... The modern trend in computer architecture is that we are reaching a plateau of sorts with how many switches can we have in a chip due to heat produced from more and more circuits. For a long time we have used Moore's Law as the standard upon which technology grows. We are in a new position in the way architects design machines.
Anyway, I could go into detail as to why this makes jumps from generation to generation less evident, but I'm already boring myself. Anyway, we will see a significant jump in technical performance, but not the visual jump we saw from say SNES to N64. I have no doubts the visuals will be well sharper, and textures more detailed, but the AVERAGE consumer won't really see a HUGE difference. Pixel and frame rate counters will notice a significant difference though.
I can't wait for the 20th... I'm all giddy... my wife keeps slapping me upside the head and tells me to "stop acting like a _____... it's just a video game machine". Just kidding... but I am excited.
Sony won't shoot themselves in the foot with that kind of hardware, which would cost way more than $600. Sony wouldn't be competitive let alone the fact that 240fps is completely useless to gamers.
I'm almost certain that quote must have been taken out of context! Pachter tend to make pretty logical, but obvious statements and not outlandish like this.
@darkride66:
"That being said, there's no reason why the hardware wouldn't be powerful enough to pull it off."
Well "Mr. Finance", why don't you tell us about the finances of such a move and how great that will be on Sony's overall business strategy and their own financial situation?
where did they say that ?
I read "wont be as big as the leap from ps2 to ps3"
this just shows how minimal Pachter's technical knowledge is! 240fps? sure...if games are rendered at 240p!
I'll bite. How the hell would I know? We don't know any details about the product. Besides, I've been saying for the longest time that the strategy of selling consoles at a loss initially only works if they make up for it further down the road. If they don't make it back when it's all said and done, something needs to change. It's not rocket science. Personally, I worry for Sony entering another product cycle and spending billions to develop a product when the PS3 doesn't even seem like it'll be able to break even when it's all said and done. I've also never denied that for years now, Sony has been in rough financial shape. You'll never find a post from me where I claim otherwise. They've made strides towards moving back to profitability but there still have a long way to go.
That being said, if they want to keep the Playstation brand relevant they need to act before Microsoft or Nintendo's efforts further lose them market share that will then be a struggle to get back, so the timing may be beneficial in the long run. But it's pointless to speculate at this stage of the game because we have no idea what the PS4 is, what it will cost, what it will sell at, when it will launch, how quickly it will catch on, etc, etc..
Just reading your comment, it seems to me you've invented some sort of imaginary position that I supposedly have on Sony's finances. Rather than making up arguments or hypothetical scenarios that you think I believe in, why not stick to making counter points against things I've actually said? I've never claimed to be any type of financial expert. My decade in the brokerage industry and my FMA designation make me qualified to manage investments and build long term financial plans, but I'm no business strategy expert and have never claimed to be. I've poured over thousands of reports and financials over the years to be in a better position to advise my clients, but that doesn't mean I'm any kind of expert. In the brokerage industry, you rely on the opinions of analysts who're paid to make those judgement calls, and if they couldn't do their job they wouldn't last.
Not sure why you're even bringing up the financial side of things. If I didn't know better, it would seem that you're just trolling.
you guys seem to forget about content, game play and price.
How many versions had to come out before they got anything right?
What's the point of rendering 4 times the number of frames that can actually be displayed by a screen?
Oh, and for anyone wondering, HDMI has a maximum of 720p @ 120hz, or 1080p @ 60hz. The cables can't even work with higher than that.
This is just ridiculous.
PS4 games I do not believe possible at such framerates with new game engines, but games with current gen/old game engines. Could easily see 200 fps solid performance. Will we see it. Maybe a little, but honestly in most cases your hardware is locked at 60 hertz or so. That is likely max you will see. It makes a heck of a difference to some games though to see that.
Take a game like Mass Effect 3 for example. PC version gets up to 145 frames with high end AMD 7970 card @ 1680x1050 resolution. Now if you consider most PS3/XB360 games have a resolution of 720 or less. We could easily see performance up to 240 fps for PS3 games and small games.
http://www.techspot.com/rev...
Is it beneficial to us? In some poorly optimized games yes it is. Very much so. As any game from PS3 era would run at a solid 30-60+ fps no matter what. :)
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still nice, and its been touched up becasue all the jaggies are gone, in the real game the windows are ALIVE with artifacts...lol.. NOTHING like that screen you put up...lol....there is NOTHING on ps3 that looks even remotely close to that....that screen you posted will not even be achievable with ps4's mid-range 3 year old pc specs, unless that is all that is rendered, once you have backrounds, ai, physics, other character models, in game charachters like that are only possible on pc
oh PC is this PC is that everybody is getting sick of it
btw those specs were rumored noooooooot offfffffffffffficial get it people
Beyond is releasing this year, of course it is going to look better-
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In mother Playstation 7, shooting hookers NOW gives you POINTS! Online-Reality Leaderboards for most hookers killed! ALSO! Don't forget the introduction of RL Achievements, some notable ones being "Woke up for the 69th time" or "Went to work on time!" - "Urinated 5000 times!" GOLD TROPHY!!!
let patcher spew his rumor= trolling
the ps3 still hasnt done 4D. riiiiiiiiidge racer!!
I'm sure people thought the same when we went from 60hz to 240hz on TV's
He's a money man trying to make a name for himself in the game scene, and as a jewish reporter, the media suport is massive.
Wile us gamers look at he's flawed expectations and analasys over and over and over.
PS4 will able to deliver it no doubt about that.
i feel sorry for the xbox boys, they will stick to their old 8 vs 8 players XD
Games with more geometry, more and better physics, more and better AI, larger expanse and draw distances and much much more effects..
@ 768p/30 fps with the good AA filters.
Plus, with controllers, you don't feel like 30fps difference as much as with a mouse.
Biggest lie of the internet.
Does it involve Richard Gere and gerbils?
Or
The human eye only sees.....
By far and away the human eye 'sees' far far more than 60-80 fps.
http://www.100fps.com/how_m...
Try more like 500FPS, and maybe more depending on what 'threshold' seeing is.
Oh and 1080p is 'noticable' far below 40 or so inches. (another lame....can't notice X resolution below X inches screen)
You've been conned.
That said Pachter is smoking crack if he thinks new games will run 240 FPS.
Far more powerful PC's don't render new games that high.
Please tell me you were trying to troll.
Please.
Dam the comments above me cracked me up
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Eyes can process framerates AT THE LEAST up to 200 frames per second with practice. I'll say this much, have seen the difference between 120 frames and 60 frames and while it isn't quite as obvious as the difference between 30 and 60, it's still quite obvious.
You know, I'd be willing to bet that the people who state this crap also have never seen a 120 frames versus 60. Experience, bro. Speak from it.
It's also notice.
There's recognizing which is one level and just noticing something.
So you can see a plane and identify it. Then there's you can see things moving but can't exactly place it. Thus that's where it gets to the 500 fps level. 220 or so for actual recognition to the point where you can identify what it is. But hundreds more that you can 'notice.
Have you a current spec'd HDTV... These days every HDTV at 32in have a 120 MHz refresh rate! And most HD programming on these TVs display with these refresh rates. Rumors has it that the PS4 can output 3D 1080p at 60fps. At the very least the console could do 1080p at 60fpd... I would wager they can do 768p at 120 fps and you'd notice!
This upcoming Gen will have some extremely talented Dev do something we won't expect and the consoles will wow us
As an option. Not on everything, but possible on some stuff.
Hope it helps.
Each Wii U unit sold, how much Will the PS4 and 720 be loosing?
lol
@jaded
The gamepad is costly, they wouldn't be losing money if it wasn't for that.
but I also want to know the same thing.
I wonder what PS4's business model is going to be because that is another component in success.
Repeatedly, PS and XBox have gone the Max Spec (for a console)- sell for cheaper than cost- make profit from games, dlc, wholesale part reductions...- 8 to 10 year life cycle- Route.
Understand when Sony says we are sale in it at a lost, it means the market retail value of their electronic is higher and they could sale it higher, example apple.
another example blurays cost same same and even way more expensive then a $600 PS3, meaning the PS3 real retail cost could have been easily $1000 if sony wanted and it would have been a fair retail price sine the PS3 could do much more then those blurays and it update itsays to play 3D bluray movies etc etc.
But the true is that to make a PS3, is really cheap or any other electronic.
kids will not understand this so no point to argue it.
Or as "techies" call them, AMD.
AI is something developers do. A console's ability to sustain 1080p at 60 frames is mostly the console producer's job. Therefore, your statement is like me saying, "Instead of making smoother paper, I'd like them to make better pencils." Separate jobs, man.
@Yodagamer
I know that. But I have yet to play a game where the AI is so good that it affects the framerate. FEAR 2 has some of the best AI yet, yet it plays silky smooth on both PC and consoles.
He didn't even say that. He didn't even nearly say that.
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Although there are some titles that have made commendable efforts not nearly enough has been done with everyone happy to focus on graphics instead.
I think The Last of US is going to raise the bar once its released and change what people expect from AI for next gen.
He
baegan by talking about frame rate. He listed the current frame rates
people are using in their everyday life: 50 to 60 for the TV set and 72
to 90 for the PC. He said that people will discover a new frame rate
which will "become the benchmark for the coming generation of digital
life".
"The PS3, with its high-end AV outputs, will allow no
less than 120 fps. Of course to enable such quality the surrounding
devices have to match these performances. Furthermore, the new computer
entertainment which will be introduced with the PS3 means there is no
clear lines between the forms of entertainment we know today. Broadcast
and communication will merge into a new form of experience, said
Kutaragi."
1080p standard with 30+ fps on EVERY game and I'll be satisfied.
It wont......
"Sony’s new console will feature graphics
chips developed by Advanced Micro
Devices Inc. and processors capable of
rendering games at 240 frames per
second, Pachter said"
ok jk.
but patcher didnt said that......the writer did....so better he change job
some games will be 1080/60
some 1080/30
some 720/60
some 720/30
some 768p
some 900p
some 1012p
just like this gen, devs are going to sacrifice where they have to to get the pc game (thats where all games are made you know, even uncharted 3 and halo 4 are made and created on pc) to run on the confines of the consoles
thats why we had games like alan wake in 540p last gen
resistence 3 was like 570p
bf3 is 704 p on both consoles
240 frames is a total waste and few, if any devs would be foolish enough to attempt to achieve even 120 frames on a console as the alloted resourses could be better spent on higher quality in game assets.
to know what to expect from the next gen of consoles, look at a mid spec pc from 2010, from every leak i have seen this is about where they will sit, certainly MILES beyond anything the 8 year old last gen ps3/360 offer
How about we do some more thorough research next time?
"we see that native resolution has dropped significantly, down from the 1280x704 of Resistance 2 to a mere 960x704 - a 25 per cent drop - and nothing from the much more recent preview code suggests that this has changed, suggesting it's a lock. "
This is what I really want! My main interest for next gen. I want to play a open world game like Skyrim with way more characters on screen. I want to look over a cliff and see tons of mutants and solders fighting in Fallout 3. I dont want too see just random AI walking around. I want to see each and every one do something different. The Fable franchise had this down to a science. I want more and bigger :)
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