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Pachter: PS4 will feature "hyperrealistic games" and "render games at 240fps"

“They’ll be able to put a lot more characters on the screen and allow for hyperrealistic games,” Pachter said.

Sony’s new console will feature graphics chips developed by Advanced Micro Devices Inc. and processors capable of rendering games at 240 frames per second, Pachter said. Current-generation games typically render at 30 or 60 frames per second. As with past model changes, Sony will continue to produce and sell the almost 7-year-old PlayStation 3.

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Walker1303d ago

This is really trolling, lol. Awesome trolling, but trolling.

Dylila1303d ago

i cant wait for the ps4. the official specs and pictures of the system with some game trailers will be amazing.

BLAKHOODe1303d ago

Yea, and that's only the beginning. Imagine what we'll be seeing 2, 4, 6 years into the consoles lifespan. Amazing times ahead!

Deku-Johnny1303d ago

Don't get too excited, Sony have said themselves that the PS4 won't be a massive leap from last gen consoles.

gaffyh1303d ago

I don't really have a problem with Pachter because most of the time he is quite logical, but this is just stupid. Guman's can barely see moving images above 30fps, 240fps is a completely redundant amount of frames, that will increase the price of development by up to 8 times, needlessly. 60fps is more than enough.

Anon19741303d ago

Some have cautioned that we wouldn't see a huge leap in games from this generation to the next, but it has nothing to do with the hardware and everything to do with development resources. Pushing new hardware takes a tremendous amount of time, money and talent and these resources are limited. These are the bottlenecks that games face right now that hold them back, it's not the hardware, and new hardware isn't going to miraculously solve the already tremendous resource strain on developers to delivery AAA titles.

That being said, there's no reason why the hardware wouldn't be powerful enough to pull it off. You can put a school bus driver behind the wheel of a Formula 1 car but chances are they aren't going to win any races. That's not the car's fault.

guitarded771303d ago

@ Deku-Johnny

Sony are right... The modern trend in computer architecture is that we are reaching a plateau of sorts with how many switches can we have in a chip due to heat produced from more and more circuits. For a long time we have used Moore's Law as the standard upon which technology grows. We are in a new position in the way architects design machines.

Anyway, I could go into detail as to why this makes jumps from generation to generation less evident, but I'm already boring myself. Anyway, we will see a significant jump in technical performance, but not the visual jump we saw from say SNES to N64. I have no doubts the visuals will be well sharper, and textures more detailed, but the AVERAGE consumer won't really see a HUGE difference. Pixel and frame rate counters will notice a significant difference though.

I can't wait for the 20th... I'm all giddy... my wife keeps slapping me upside the head and tells me to "stop acting like a _____... it's just a video game machine". Just kidding... but I am excited.

nukeitall1303d ago (Edited 1303d ago )

I can't wait to see the reveal also, but 240fps is completely utterly ridiculous.

Sony won't shoot themselves in the foot with that kind of hardware, which would cost way more than $600. Sony wouldn't be competitive let alone the fact that 240fps is completely useless to gamers.

I'm almost certain that quote must have been taken out of context! Pachter tend to make pretty logical, but obvious statements and not outlandish like this.

@darkride66:

"That being said, there's no reason why the hardware wouldn't be powerful enough to pull it off."

Well "Mr. Finance", why don't you tell us about the finances of such a move and how great that will be on Sony's overall business strategy and their own financial situation?

GribbleGrunger1303d ago

Great analogy there Darkride66, and I agree with the points you've made

AzaziL1303d ago

Want a preview of next gen, look no further than Far Cry 3 maxed out on PC.

Dee_911303d ago

@Deku-Johnny "won't be a massive leap from last gen consoles. "
where did they say that ?
I read "wont be as big as the leap from ps2 to ps3"

badz1491302d ago

this just shows how minimal Pachter's technical knowledge is! 240fps? sure...if games are rendered at 240p!

Anon19741302d ago

nukeitall said, "Well "Mr. Finance", why don't you tell us about the finances of such a move and how great that will be on Sony's overall business strategy."

I'll bite. How the hell would I know? We don't know any details about the product. Besides, I've been saying for the longest time that the strategy of selling consoles at a loss initially only works if they make up for it further down the road. If they don't make it back when it's all said and done, something needs to change. It's not rocket science. Personally, I worry for Sony entering another product cycle and spending billions to develop a product when the PS3 doesn't even seem like it'll be able to break even when it's all said and done. I've also never denied that for years now, Sony has been in rough financial shape. You'll never find a post from me where I claim otherwise. They've made strides towards moving back to profitability but there still have a long way to go.

That being said, if they want to keep the Playstation brand relevant they need to act before Microsoft or Nintendo's efforts further lose them market share that will then be a struggle to get back, so the timing may be beneficial in the long run. But it's pointless to speculate at this stage of the game because we have no idea what the PS4 is, what it will cost, what it will sell at, when it will launch, how quickly it will catch on, etc, etc..

Just reading your comment, it seems to me you've invented some sort of imaginary position that I supposedly have on Sony's finances. Rather than making up arguments or hypothetical scenarios that you think I believe in, why not stick to making counter points against things I've actually said? I've never claimed to be any type of financial expert. My decade in the brokerage industry and my FMA designation make me qualified to manage investments and build long term financial plans, but I'm no business strategy expert and have never claimed to be. I've poured over thousands of reports and financials over the years to be in a better position to advise my clients, but that doesn't mean I'm any kind of expert. In the brokerage industry, you rely on the opinions of analysts who're paid to make those judgement calls, and if they couldn't do their job they wouldn't last.

Not sure why you're even bringing up the financial side of things. If I didn't know better, it would seem that you're just trolling.

a_adji1302d ago

The PS3 had awesome specs and where did that get it?

you guys seem to forget about content, game play and price.

How many versions had to come out before they got anything right?

lfclee1302d ago

Hyper realistic with an Amd 7670 graphics card ? Don't think so !

isyourhouseonfire1302d ago

The best part is you can take the PS4's accomplishments and double them to see what the next XBOX will be delivering.

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Blacktric1303d ago

If I was the guy who's running the company who hired this idiot, I'd have fired him years ago. How the hell is this guy still considered as an "analyst"?

jukins1303d ago

Not too many ppk will stay employed as an analyst if they are constantly wrong especially working for the kind of place patcher does. Just because you don't agree doesn't make him wrong. Remember Jes working for one of the top brokerage firms and well we're not...

Th3 Chr0nic1303d ago

The article is from JapanTimes. I doubt patcher even said any of it. A Japanese site/paper writing about Sony.... yea no bias there

user39158001303d ago

He hit the ball out of the prak with this one, good job Pachter you are king of nothing lol... 240FPS not even the most super comercials pc can do, but I like the way you think on this one lol...

zebramocha1303d ago

@niv It can but the game would be very simple in terms of geometry,texture and effects.

kneon1303d ago

I seem to recall the last PC I built clocking in around 200fps for some games. But what's the point of such super high frame rates? I'd rather that extra horsepower were used for something else.

REALgamer1303d ago

Older games can hit 240fps, but NO-ONE is able to actually see that, since regular PC monitors have a refresh rate of 60hz (fps) and 3D ones have 120hz.

What's the point of rendering 4 times the number of frames that can actually be displayed by a screen?

Oh, and for anyone wondering, HDMI has a maximum of 720p @ 120hz, or 1080p @ 60hz. The cables can't even work with higher than that.

This is just ridiculous.

DeadlyFire1302d ago (Edited 1302d ago )

This is not impossible at all if he is talking about upscaled PS3 games on the PS4 having up to 240 frames on the new hardware.

PS4 games I do not believe possible at such framerates with new game engines, but games with current gen/old game engines. Could easily see 200 fps solid performance. Will we see it. Maybe a little, but honestly in most cases your hardware is locked at 60 hertz or so. That is likely max you will see. It makes a heck of a difference to some games though to see that.

Take a game like Mass Effect 3 for example. PC version gets up to 145 frames with high end AMD 7970 card @ 1680x1050 resolution. Now if you consider most PS3/XB360 games have a resolution of 720 or less. We could easily see performance up to 240 fps for PS3 games and small games.
http://www.techspot.com/rev...

Is it beneficial to us? In some poorly optimized games yes it is. Very much so. As any game from PS3 era would run at a solid 30-60+ fps no matter what. :)

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Abdou231303d ago

I need some of whats this guy is smocking

dubt721303d ago

It looks like you're already "smocking" something, lol. But yes, Pachter is a moron.

edwoods1302d ago

Can someone help me understand this. I thought the human brain could only take in close to 60-70 fps visually. I thought I remember reading that somewhere. Also wouldn't the higher 240 fps actually make things appear slow. I thought thats how people capture things like bullets in slow motion etc, thru higher frames. I always thought 30 fps was ok but the once u got to 60 fps, that was as smooth as it gets, but after 60 fps, it start to be too much and creates the slow effect.

BitbyDeath1303d ago

Hyper Realism might sound a bit crazy but if Quantic Dream can pull this off on current hardware it'll be amazing to see what they can do with the PS4.

http://blogs-images.forbes....

landog1303d ago (Edited 1303d ago )

cool bullshot, the real games they have made look worse than this in game;

http://www.playstationeupho...

still nice, and its been touched up becasue all the jaggies are gone, in the real game the windows are ALIVE with artifacts...lol.. NOTHING like that screen you put up...lol....there is NOTHING on ps3 that looks even remotely close to that....that screen you posted will not even be achievable with ps4's mid-range 3 year old pc specs, unless that is all that is rendered, once you have backrounds, ai, physics, other character models, in game charachters like that are only possible on pc

turgore1303d ago

I believe hyper realism. But 240fps ? Give me a break. Maybe PSN games.

sonic9891303d ago

@landog

oh PC is this PC is that everybody is getting sick of it
btw those specs were rumored noooooooot offfffffffffffficial get it people

USEYOURFIST1303d ago

@Landog your comparing the screen with a different game that was made years before Beyond, i dont see how thats logical or fair, you would have to wait for a 'proper' in game shot of beyond to judge

BitbyDeath1303d ago (Edited 1303d ago )

@landog, Heavy Rain is 3 years old.
Beyond is releasing this year, of course it is going to look better-

http://cdn.inthegame.nl/wp-...

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The_Infected1303d ago

The 240fps was being technical and not logical. It's capable of that but developers will use the extra power on better development of the games and will most likely run at 1080p at 60fps with amazing graphics especially Sony's 1st party games.

GraveLord1303d ago

PS4 is gonna be awesome. Suck it haterz.

zerocrossing1303d ago

I wish patcher would just shut the hell up sometimes...

imdaboss11303d ago

Patcher is right he knows everything. PS4 exclusive games will take advantage of the hardware ..I am so HYPED up right now

user39158001303d ago

Pachter do come out as an individual that has to have his name in the gaming comunity, and I belief his able to come up with great adviced for stock holders. However, I believe him to be awkward and intelligent on his own rights, he has poor common sense and definately not wised, but as in this set up, I like his sense of humor.

Ritsujun1302d ago

*does
*community
*believe
*he's
*definitely

Mounce1303d ago (Edited 1303d ago )

Dude, I still can't wait for PS7, the console that enters your mind and warps your reality into a gaming world.... Hoe damn I can see the media reacting to it now! LOL

In mother Playstation 7, shooting hookers NOW gives you POINTS! Online-Reality Leaderboards for most hookers killed! ALSO! Don't forget the introduction of RL Achievements, some notable ones being "Woke up for the 69th time" or "Went to work on time!" - "Urinated 5000 times!" GOLD TROPHY!!!

Tsar4ever011303d ago

(SIGH) People keep expanding the HYPE BUBBLE, and when it burst, people's hopes will be shattered cuz they keep hyping rumors to the point of the impossible. I wish people will just shut the fuck up and just wait for the official statements from Sony.

Mounce1303d ago

Hype trains/bubbles are fun to join for the sake of just joining the excitement. To those that let it get to their heads and emotions are the one that 'we' later on shoot the flak cannons at for being irrational, which continues the cycle of fanboys and whatever else is illogical of people who just don't think realistically :DDD!

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morkendo231303d ago

RUMORS FOR GAMERS there you have it.

let patcher spew his rumor= trolling

solar1302d ago

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahaha.....now that is rich.

the ps3 still hasnt done 4D. riiiiiiiiidge racer!!

Syntax-Error1302d ago (Edited 1302d ago )

I'm sure people thought the same when we went from 60hz to 240hz on TV's

DigitalSmoke1302d ago (Edited 1302d ago )

Pachter should be ignored, he doesnt know anything regarding games or the industry.
He's a money man trying to make a name for himself in the game scene, and as a jewish reporter, the media suport is massive.
Wile us gamers look at he's flawed expectations and analasys over and over and over.

TAURUS-5551302d ago

all we want is shooters capable of 100 vs 100 or something like that. MAG was hit so it doesnt count.

PS4 will able to deliver it no doubt about that.

i feel sorry for the xbox boys, they will stick to their old 8 vs 8 players XD

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parkerpeters1303d ago

Those are some outrageous claims. But who knows. I don't see games rendering that well unless they are extremely outdated software on this new hardware.

awi59511303d ago

Those are outrageous claims but sony hasnt started there outrageous marketing yet. Just remember all the crazy crap they said about what the PS2 and PS3 could do before launch.

wishingW3L1303d ago (Edited 1303d ago )

let's just focus on realistic goals better. 1080p/60frames and good art-style.

tubers1303d ago

I'll be a bit more realistic:

Games with more geometry, more and better physics, more and better AI, larger expanse and draw distances and much much more effects..

@ 768p/30 fps with the good AA filters.

The_Infected1303d ago

If next gen is 30fps ill be pissed. It's time to move up now and 1080p 60fps is a good start along with much better graphics.

PersonMan1303d ago

Marcus. Every gen has been 30fps and below for the most part. Developers can push more effects and geometry with double the render time.

Plus, with controllers, you don't feel like 30fps difference as much as with a mouse.

pr0t0typeknuckles1303d ago

240fps, is this ninja cereal, XD, i love playstation but lets be serious, 240fps on a console,hyper realistic graphics,hes either trolling or he smoking some amazing weed.

FanMan1303d ago

240 fps would be complete overkill. pretty sure the human eye mayes out at like 60-80 fps. after that it wont look any different to us

jmc88881302d ago (Edited 1302d ago )

More like 500-600 FPS.

Biggest lie of the internet.

Does it involve Richard Gere and gerbils?

Or

The human eye only sees.....

By far and away the human eye 'sees' far far more than 60-80 fps.

http://www.100fps.com/how_m...

Try more like 500FPS, and maybe more depending on what 'threshold' seeing is.

Oh and 1080p is 'noticable' far below 40 or so inches. (another lame....can't notice X resolution below X inches screen)

You've been conned.

That said Pachter is smoking crack if he thinks new games will run 240 FPS.

Far more powerful PC's don't render new games that high.

Qrphe1303d ago (Edited 1303d ago )

They said a similar thing about the PS3 and look where that took us. 1080p 30fps will be a next-gen standard.