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Submitted by Valenka 1100d ago | opinion piece

Xbox LIVE Is A Smoldering Pile Of Thievery

I think it's time that we all sat down and had a little talk about Xbox LIVE.

Until recently, I’d been an avid defender of Xbox LIVE, but the industry has changed so drastically within the last twelve months that I've been forced to admit that LIVE has become a smoldering rip-off. (Microsoft, Xbox 360, Xbox LIVE)

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Snookies12  +   1100d ago
Well, I would have been okay with them continuing to charge for Live Gold. Even after Plus came into being which had (in my opinion of course) so much more value than Gold did. It was when Microsoft jacked up the price 10 extra dollars that really got me. If anything they needed to lower it, yet they decided they were just going to charge more all of a sudden? That's a really lame move by them... (In my opinion once again.)

At least give everyone the ability to play online games without Gold now... C'mon, holding that feature hostage for money is just... Not cool... Sony manages to do this, and they're having financial issues. They could have stopped at any point and said, "we're going to charge for this now." Yet they didn't. Their conviction was held strong, and it really shows. To me as a customer, I'm happy to stick with them because they stuck it out and didn't gouge their consumers when it honestly (from a business stand-point) would have been good for them to do.
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Snookies12  +   1100d ago
Disagrees please respond, I'd like to know why you disagree with me. Honestly, I just want to know, not calling you out for it or anything. :]
Septic  +   1100d ago
Comparatively, as a service, I think Xbox Live is unmatched. Purely in terms of value for money however, I do agree that PSN outshines it, especially with how good some of Plus 'offerings are.

I really don't see how Microsoft will be able to justify the annual fee for Xbox Live next gen unless it drastically changes what it offers.

The thing is, for many of us, PSN is just a pain to use when gaming together with mates. Xbox Live is the sum of its parts; voice messages, cross game chat, the intuitiveness of the dashboard and features- going to PSN after using Xbox Live just seems so slow and cumbersome.

However, I expect Sony to get its act together when it comes to how PSN and XMB are designed from the ground up next gen. Couple that with Plus and Microsoft really are in the defensive when it comes to its online infrastructure.

Credt does go to MS though. They were the only ones that really pushed the online element of console gaming since the original Xbox whereas Sony were happy to just sit back and not really be proactive at all. PSN is strong now only because MS forced Sony's hand. Now its MS' turn but really, the service is still superior. Its just the value of its service that needs to be sorted out and that isn't a major thing to sort out.
LOGICWINS  +   1100d ago
I agreed with u btw. Microsoft charges $60 for Live because people are willing to pay. No more no less. In their position, I'd do the same. If people want to give me money, I'd never deny them the opportunity :)

However, this paying to play online thing won't last. Its looking like the PS4 will be announced before the 720, so Sony will set the tone for the next generation. Microsofts gunna have a tough time justifying that yearly Live fee when consumers get wind that you can game online for free on the PS4.

"PSN is strong now only because MS forced Sony's hand."

Right. If it wasn't for XBL, Sony would have never taken the online space seriously. I hope Microsoft provides that same competition this generation.
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MasterCornholio  +   1100d ago

"when consumers get wind that you can game online for free on the PS4."

Consumers already know this with the PS3. But what will change is the fact that the PS4 will have much better social features than the PS3 which is the main advantage that the 360 has over its competitor. In the end when the PS4 offers all the same services for free as the 720 at the same or superior quality level how will 720 owners justify paying for online multiplayer, social features and cross game chat when the PS4 offers all that at no extra cost to the consumer?

If anyone is going to change their online policy its going to be Microsoft unless they know that future 720 owners are still willing to pay for free services.


"The features you pay for for gold is nothing short of robbery seeing how you can get a lot of the stuff free off your phone and PC."

Netlflix is one of the best examples of this. Seriously if its free on the PS3 why isnt it free on the 360?

Because the parasite said NO (Bioshock 2).
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LOGICWINS  +   1100d ago
^^Ud be surprised. I had a college friend of mine who only gamed on the 360 and when I told him about PSN, he was confused. He had no idea that the PS3 had an online suite like XBL. He said that it probably sucks because he's never heard of it.

Theres a lot of misinformation out there. A lot of people, PS3 owners included, don't understand the value that services like PS Plus offer. Barely 10% of the people on my friendslist have are PS Plus members.
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Intentions  +   1100d ago
I didn't disagree, but just for the sake of explaining [my opinion].

For me, the reason why I prefer XBL to PSN, not saying that PSN is bad, it just my personal preferences. I have more friends/cousins on XBL compare to PSN, therefore XBL would be more fun for me.

The way to communicate is a lot better, seeing as it's cross game chat and I find that it is overall easier than PSN, in terms of messaging/voice/chat etc.

Also by the fact that I only pay $12 - $30 a year for XBL. It is really low for me, seeing I hardly/occasionally buy games, I usually borrow games off friends/cousins.

Of course it would be nice for XBL to be free [multiplayer], and just have a premium service for stuff like TV etc.

For me it's a high chance that MS would pay XBL free for next gen, seeing as MS is the only one that charges for online play.
If not, then there is nothing wrong for trying to make a profit. Every business is trying to make profits anyway, in some way/form.
If they don't then yeah, they will have a tough competition. No matter what, there will be people that would suppose any service, regardless of being free or a premium service.

Overall, both online services are awesome, it is just people's own preferences and opinions. Obviously every consumer wants everything for free but in the real world nothing is free, so we all have to live with it.
theBAWSE  +   1100d ago
I honestly don't see how ms will be able to justify next gen charging to play online....Sony have already stated cross game chat like the vita and being more social is what they are pushing on ps4

the looming next gen is going to be fascinating to watch
antok34  +   1100d ago

Agree totally that many people are unaware of ps plus and then you witness their shock when they realise what a deal they can get. Sony need to find away to reach the masses about this great feature.
nukeitall  +   1100d ago
What is amazing to me is everyone seems to talk about feature parity, but that alone is not the defining factor.

If it was, Linux would have been just as suitable for the general public as Windows is. Everything doable on Windows is doable in Linux!

My point here are two things:

a) software is not just about features, but ease of use is far more important. Make it easy to schedule and join a game with your friends for instance.

b) the community. Would you like to play with people that tend to care more about single player games? Friend lists with lots of friends that are inactive?

Bottom line, we will see what MS pulls out of their hat, but the same thing was said earlier in this generation. PSN is free, has been for some time now and feature wise they are relatively close. There is still a reason why people *still* choose to buy an Xbox 360 and Xbox Live Gold despite their being another option.

There is no question, a basic Xbox 360 + Gold cost as much as a PS3 to keep it in perspective.

It's not the hardware, it's not all the features, but it is the experience that consumers are buying.

All companies would do well to keep that in mind next generation! It's not about a particular area, because the console is now grown. They all have to keep it well rounded to succeed or else SteamBox will have a chance to succeed.
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brich233  +   1100d ago
i hope u dont pay the full 60$ because there always online sales that range between 35 and 40$. check for all types of sales from various online retailers.
pixelsword  +   1100d ago
It's just the whole thing about Net Neturality:

I don't have a problem with the quality of XBL,

I have a problem with them charging for it.

The PSN isn't as polished as XBL,

but It doesn't matter because the price is right.

PS Plus doesn't do much to enhance the PSN experience,

But you get games, which is why I bought a console in the first place, not to talk to friends.

I'm not paying $60 for another phone, thank you.
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nukeitall  +   1100d ago

"But you get games, which is why I bought a console in the first place, not to talk to friends."

No, but some like to play socially and keep in touch with friends. Because you have a phone doesn't make it the ideal way to connect with multiple friends. In fact, I don't tend to give strangers that I just met online my phone number, but to each their own.

I guys on PS3, that is probably necessary. Heck, some of my friends use Skype with the PS3, because there is no party chat.
Redgehammer  +   1099d ago
I love XBL. My family and I are family plan members (99$ for 4), and I am extremely stisfied , as is my family.
vishant101  +   1100d ago
I get the whole if we are gonna charge for online we will charge everyone for it so the online experience is not fragmented but MS seriously needs to add value to xbl i want features no ther platform offers for free with it. nothing matches xbl in terms of quality and ease of use but its not 60 bux worth of quality im ok with paying for xbl as long as it has as much value as it used to compared to the other online services.
Gamer1982  +   1100d ago
IF MS took away online play with gold and gave it free NOBODY would pay for GOLD. That's a fact. So MS will NOT remove it. The fact is this whole thing could come back to bite MS in the proverbial backside once new consoles are launched as Sony reps have confirmed next console is gonna have PS+ already. Why would anybody choose the new Xbox if MS say they are still gonna charge for live?

The 360 got in early and you made that investment and it was too late to change but this time its reset you get that chance..
HeroReborn  +   1100d ago
I see yours and the writers POV. With the way the game market has shift, it's really hard for MS to justify the cost of live. Espically when about 75% of the perks of it as a gamer I don't even use. I think they are trying to compile us "being gamers" to much with the casual market.

Even if that were true its still not warrented to charge for access to stuff like Hulu+ Netflix and other online items we they are freely available on other platforms.

I love Xbox live I really do, playing with my friends hanging in the part chat shooting the shit is to me no different than hanging in the arcade, but MS needs to understand that more has to be done besides giving us 1-2% off of our purchases, and access to services most of us don't even want.
ZombieKiller  +   1100d ago
Why the constant chats about how much Xbox Live Rips people off? Just don't buy it. My XBL just expired actually and guess what? I thought the same thing....and then did NOT renew. Especially because I have a PS3 and the PS+ which smokes XBL.

-Buy PS+ and stop complaining about XBL and the pricing. Honestly, if we got enough people to do this the price point would go away OR the value would increase when they started giving out free games.
DigitalRaptor  +   1100d ago
The constant chats happen and should continue to happen because not everyone is like you and has the strength to say no. You got out, but people just pay because they want to play with their friends.

There are millions and millions of people out there who don't realise XBL Gold for the rip-off it actually is, and will pay for what I already said. Eyes need to be opened, and by ignoring a relevant and important conversation piece, you're doing gamers and the industry itself no favours.
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Bigpappy  +   1100d ago
I agree with you "Zombiekiller", not because of the "PS+ which smokes XBL." comment, as that is subjective, and I have no idea why you have that stance. But everything else you said about going with the other service because you have that choice and it will force M$ to follow is spot make complete sense and can not be argued.

The thing though, is that before praising PS+ as the XBL killer, you would have to know why all these people are playing for Xbox live over PSN. You can not assume that be cause you prefer PSN, all XBLA users will have that same opinion. The only way for them to even consider PS+, is for them to experience it and come to that conclusion for themselves. That would mean that they would either have to be sick of paying $40-60 a year or just want to change from or add to 360 gaming selection.
In my case, I stop gaming on consoles after Turbo Grafix and came back when the Xbox was released. That experience has been so great that I have had no reason to move away from Xbox so far. 2 of my nephews who grew up with PS1 and had the 360 for a few years, have bought PS3 because of RRD and no longer use 360. But they also have no interest in paying for PS+ as they don't see how it would make their online experience any better. I and most of my friends on the other hand, have stayed with 360 because it is how he game. we just log on and play, no hassle. I love everything about the Xbox, from the controller to the support, XBL, the interface, Kinect, and the fact that M$ has the resources to keep pushing forward. I trust M$ to keep pushing and leading and keeping things interesting.

After all this chatter, M$ will charge next-gen, and will continue to grow. M$ will no doubt add features to XBL. They always do.
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rainslacker  +   1099d ago

XBL Gold and PS+ are services which charge for entirely different things. Comparing them is not neccesary because they are not meant to be competitors to each other.

PS+ is a value-added service which provides "free" games and good discounts on software, along with a few other perks worth having. PS+ didn't come around to compete with Gold, it came around to offer a subscription based revenue stream that MS was enjoying with Gold.

Gold is a service that is required to get the most out of the games you have already purchased, or required to get the most out of the hardware that you already paid for (ie streaming services).

A better comparison would be between Gold and the free regular out-of-the-box PSN, as it is PSN where most of the features exist that are comparable to Gold.
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ZombieKiller  +   1098d ago
I did not say the PSN smokes XBL, just the PS+ due to the free games. What sort of service is it that is better than PSN when you have to pay 2 fees? I already pay for internet, why pay M$ "just because"? XBL has a bit more stable of a connection....but honestly, thats only some games. Games that are PAID to be better on 360. People act like it's that much better of a connection or service but realisticlly, in the internet world you are supposed to pay to get rid of ads, M$ makes you pay the fee, then they advertise to you on the blade...on EVERY blade. HOW IS THAT BETTER THAN FREE GAMES? PS+ smokes XBL. I don't want to see Kanye West's stuck up face on my gaming console....but it's there....yet Sony gives us free gmes every Tuesday. They might not be the games of our choice, but the choice is there to pay the $ it not? Call me a fanboy, I don't care. Give me the dissagrees, PLEASE. Remove the bubbles, I don't care. I got my OPINION across and I'll "say" it proudly once more, PS+ SMOKES XBL
ZombieKiller  +   1098d ago
and @ Digital Raptor......yeah because sitting here on n4g discussing it is SO important to Microsofts desicion making. I tell ya, you're really changing things now discussing this like you are. Keep buying into fake things like digital costumes for your avatar and let your money do the talking. I'm sure M$ will listen to your cries. Next XBL will be free...sure.
The generation is about to take another turn, I'm not sticking with the cheaper system per say, I'm going with the one that doesn't charge me for needless shit. Have fun with your digital Dragonfire, I'll go play some PS+ games.
XBL is sooo much better isn't it lol..../s
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InMyOpinion  +   1100d ago
I agree that online gaming should be free as it is on PSN.

I love how they constantly add great games to Xbox Live Arcade (one of the best things about Live) but they need to start offering free online play for silver members.

Wouldn't mind some kind of PS+ features for Gold subscribers either.
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aiBreeze  +   1100d ago
Looking at what Microsoft charges for, I'm really starting to rethink whether or not I want to buy their next gen console. The features you pay for for gold is nothing short of robbery seeing how you can get a lot of the stuff free off your phone and PC.

With Halo taking a change in direction and Gears of War judgement pretty much giving Gears fans the middle finger, Microsoft better have more than a few tricks up it's sleeve if it wants me to buy their next gen console.
Gamer1982  +   1100d ago
XBL should give you 1st party exclusives like Halo armor and weapon skins or something. Ms could easily do this to sell it rather than online gaming. they don't have to give away games just DLC for there first party games and make it worth the price. I'm sure free Halo/forza etc.. DLC for the life of your subscription would sell XBL.

Obviously not everybody plays the exclusives and sticks to FIFA/Madden etc.. so they would have to make some 3rd party deals too.
shutUpAndTakeMyMoney  +   1100d ago
I rather buy a next gen console and a game instead of paying $60 for multiplayer and $60 for a game. $120 extra day 1? no thanks.
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AngelicIceDiamond  +   1100d ago
Lol the internet hates XBL. I also bet the internet wants do something about it. But you can't its only getting popular. All the trolling and immaturity in the world won't stop the elevation of XBL lol.

Its the net you people can't do nothing about it NOTHING at all others will continue to enjoy it.

Yeah, this is the second piece in a row. Its f**kin old people.
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BanBrother  +   1100d ago
I think these articles are good. It can only help the cause in making XBL free, so you should be happy. I don't mind paying for a month here and there to play with friends, as no-one can honestly deny xbl does social better, but come next-gen, when Sony offers all of the 'features xbl does PLUS PS+, how can you justify paying for xbl?

I for one am cash-scrapped atm, with about $15k debt, so I can get but few games day 1. Why would I pay for live *next-gen* when Sony's service will be identical, with the addition of PS+ if I need it (who can say no to ps+)??

I am not going to argue why people pay for xbl *this gen*, as they can't simply abandon their friends and library of games, but next-gen it is a no-brainer for me. I will not be paying for Live next-gen, although I'm still interested in some of the exclusives they have now and then. MS need to adapt or perish. They need to take a look at what everyone else is offering, or else people will surely abandon them.
DigitalRaptor  +   1100d ago
Holy crap dude, give up the defense. This is not and never has been about the service itself which is excellent. The internet doesn't hate XBL. This is not about the fanboys even though it gets brushed off as trolling or fanboyism. It's about the consumers, your rights and what a company is doing that should be illegal in my opinion. The internet hates that Microsoft forces its consumers to pay for basic P2P connectivity and features that are free elsewhere and should be industry wise (Netflix, Facebook etc.) I mean why don't Nintendo, Sony, Valve and any other company charge you for P2P connectivity? Why? Because it would be outrageous to even suggest it, yet Microsoft has been getting away with that for years.

It's important to acknowledge Microsoft's strategies which is to simply make as much money as they can at the detriment of the consumer. It's simply outrageous to force people to pay what is free elsewhere (and rightly so) - basic P2P and free services. It's nothing short of rip-off and only the most dedicated loyalists and the massively ignorant are defending that.

So I'll re-iterate again for those who only focus on a small part of the picture. The internet doesn't hate XBL, because XBL is an excellent service. The internet hates the fact that Microsoft are ripping its consumers off, and robbing them blind of real choice.

Yet, people don't really notice it because of the advanced features that Microsoft and its fans promote, as they mask the real truth behind what it is you're really paying for. There's just no defense for what they do, yet you see it from those who are too heavily invested both emotionally and financially to want to accept the truth.

@ optimus

There aren't 60 million XBL Gold subscribers dude.
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optimus  +   1100d ago
I don't know why people keep complaining about paying for xbox live because as long as people keep paying for it, (and there are 60 mil. that do) microsoft will continue to charge for it...even when they increased the price the membership kept growing instead of declining...

Now i'll admit microsoft used to offer a lot for the money but now they seem to be taking away more features, especially with the newer games...i decided to go with the free membership for awhile and just realized i can't access the spartan ops in halo 4 without the gold membership, that's just not right.

The article mentioned not being able to do gesture controls with kinect which isn't really true since i'm on silver and can use it just fine (although i haven't tried everything). But for navigation and voice control it's still there.

As for the ps4 i would not be surprised if sony decided to charge for online access seeing as how it works for microsoft and is a major source of revenue for them...granted, they could compete by making their's cheaper, and i'm sure ps fanboys would be outraged but would pay the xbox users do. :p
rainslacker  +   1099d ago
I wouldn't pay regardless. I'd be on the front lines of the forums bitching about it, and I'm sure many would follow suit. Hell you'd probably see lots of sites calling DOOM for Sony if this were the case.

All that being said, there may be plenty of people that would pay regardless, as obviously they do with Live almost without question. If that's the case then I would only be able to shake my head, knowing that all the defensive attitudes and complete and utter acceptance of a antiquated practice on MS console was the reason why others now have to deal with something I find unacceptable in today's market.

Sony needs to do things that set them apart, not make them part of the crowd. They did that with PS+, and IMO it is one of the best digital subscription services available.
Ripsta7th  +   1100d ago
Sorry guys but i dont think PSN will be free next gen :( at least if it isn't, we know sony will make good use of that money. Add more features tot he next gen PSN maybe
neoMAXMLC  +   1100d ago
Why wouldn't it be free? They already added an amazing set of features to the PSN for the Vita such as Cross Game Party Chat, Near, far superior multitasking and a much more unified infrastructure... At no cost.
Ripsta7th  +   1098d ago
YOU beleive that didnt cost THEM anything?
r21  +   1100d ago
They've got a service(PS+) that people pay for and enjoy. If they were to charge for online next gen, Sony will just have basically shot their own foot. I seriously hope next gen PSN will be free.
Ripsta7th  +   1098d ago
YEah ok free is awesome , but if they had a paid subscription like XBL they could generate more money and it doesnt have to be as expensive as XBL's. SONY has been loosing money and id rather them have paid subscription so they can gain MORE revenue, im not saying they dont but in the situation they are it would be better. And plus people will buy the ps4 anyways because of EXCLUSIVES.
joeorc  +   1100d ago
"Sorry guys but i dont think PSN will be free next gen"

with Sony having:
Ad revenue
PSN Game Sales revenue
Music service revenue
Movie service revenue
youtube service revenue for music/movie revenue
Playstation Home Premium Content revenue
Playstation Home Premium DLC Game revenue
Online Game Multiplayer DLC revenue for Retail Games!

all those thing's provide "revenue"

running a service Like PSN and XBOX Live require a lot of revenue to make it so they can get Profit, but on the same token Xbox Live has nothing in its ONLINE revenue That is Like Playstation Home that also generates revenue for Microsoft.

Playstation Home for Sony is such a Profit generating revenue stream that Sony has added ever week! new content! that is not just once a month or every two weeks, no this is every single week every year to year for 4+ years now in a row.

This fact alone:

PlayStation Home is a good, profitable business, says Sony's Buser

Jul 2nd 2010

"With numbers like we have, it goes without saying that Home has been a huge success for our company, something that we have been very proud of." The numbers he's talking about look pretty decent on paper: there are over 100 games on the service, the average user session is about 70 minutes, there are over 50 unique spaces available and 14 million people have at least stepped foot in Home once. Not bad, but it's all about the context -- do people play those games? Do people explore those unique spaces? How many of those 14 million are actual active users?

the A:

update with extra content every week since he stated that is Nice Answer! why would Sony continue if there was no revenue to do so?

Simple Answer is there is profitable revenue for Sony , as Much as XboxLive? Maybe or Maybe Not but there is Profit. there is more than getting the Most Profit out of your service for your consumer's like Having Happy Consumer install Base with the services you are offering.

Home must be doing very well or No one would buy the content!
neoMAXMLC  +   1098d ago
I'm talking about US as CONSUMERS. All of these online features were added for the PS Vita and we don't need to pay a dime.
amiga-man  +   1100d ago
Fair play to M$ they managed to sell something that most people expect to be free, M$ have got away with it this gen and to be fair have probably lead the way, but those days are changing PS+ offers so much value and we all know cross game chat ( xbl last bastion) will be part of the PS4 so surely M$ will have far more problems continuing to charge.

I have no problem with xbox fans saying it's worth it for cross game chat etc, but if they were that good why do M$ feel the need to take away your ability to go online, thats why people pay give the ability to go online for free and watch xbl subscriptions drop like a stone.

Make online free M$, no chance not while there are mugs willing to pay.
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IronFistChinMi  +   1100d ago
I subscribe to both Live and PSN+ and believe both are worth the money, but they can be better.

PSN+ only interests me because of the Instant Game Collection. It's starting to have less value now as I've either played the majority of the games they introduce, or I'm just not interested in them.

Live is obviously a necessity if you game online, but Microsoft need to step up next gen. They should have implemented their own Instant Game Collection on the 360, with the likes of Rare's older titles for starters.
BladerunnerZX  +   1100d ago
Xboxlive is a wall between a gamer and the game that he or she has already paid $60 for. yes back in 2002 to 2006 xboxlive was worth the cash for a console gamer . now all that has changed.

The overflow of non-gaming related advertisements on the Xboxlive dashboard is a discrace to Xboxlive Gold members.
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kingliam3  +   1100d ago
lol xbox live is cheap , why does everyone moan over £30?
amiga-man  +   1100d ago
£30 isn't cheap when everyone else goes online for nothing, it's a rip off tax only xbox users fail to see.

don't give me xbl is better crap, if you want to pay for xbl fine but you shouldn't have to pay M$ to access the internet.
Karpetburnz  +   1100d ago
Thats not the point, you shouldnt have to pay in the first place.

Are you happy that youre paying for features that are FREE elsewhere?
Karpetburnz  +   1100d ago
PS Vita gets party chat for FREE, and it uses PSN, so why do you have to pay for it on XBL?

Why do you have to pay to use all social networking apps, Netflix and even a web browser when PSN gets all of that for FREE?

You get advertisements on a paid service? WTF is that?

XBL is a con.
rainslacker  +   1099d ago
I wouldn't be surprised to see ads on the PS4. Currently the only ad space is a small box in the upper right corner advertising stuff on the store or on SEN.

I was shocked to see that MS can charge up to a million dollars for a single targeted ad that runs for about a month on their service. Apparently their ad space is effective, otherwise they couldn't command that price, which is higher than your average non prime time TV show.

I haven't actually seen how the ads are served on Live, but it seems those that have it aren't bothered by them too much and they seem to not be all in your face like some websites force on you. I would hope if Sony goes this same route then they also aren't all over the place and in your face. Sony isn't likely to want to ignore possible revenue streams. Generally ads don't bother me as I understand why they exist. It's the the pushy ones that bother me.
rapidturtle  +   1100d ago
Sony is poised win the Next Gen. They can advertise the value of plus, and the option for free online play with their next system. Couple that with M$'s lack of exclusives and the PS4 is already in pretty good shape. It will be suicide for M$$ to continue to charge for Live. I think that gamers have finally grown tired of paying for things that are free elsewhere.
sway_z  +   1100d ago
I can almost be certain online play will be free across all platforms next gen....I cannot see MS still charging for this service...

MS will probably (hopefully) allow free access to MP and charge for other services this 'Take over your living room' thing they keep touting....

Time will always ;)
Karpetburnz  +   1100d ago
To be honest, Microsoft could still charge a fee for online multiplayer next gen, because the casual gamers aren't informed about this, and as long as the casuals (Microsoft target audience) are willing to pay, Then Microsoft is happy.
nikrel  +   1100d ago
Nothing like paying for Peer to Peer networking!
mochachino  +   1100d ago
Totally agree with article. I paid for Live for 5 years until December 2012 and I'm never paying for it again. What a waist of money. I'll just use my PS3.

Definitely in no rush to buy the Next Xbox, if PS4 has free online, it will definitely be my console of choice, as 99% of my favourite games are multiplats.
medman  +   1100d ago
The advertisements on xbox live gold piss me off. Why am I subjected to incessant ads when I'm paying a fee for the service? I could understand if it were a free service, but not for 50 bucks annually. As I own a PS3 and a 360, the jarring differences between playstation plus and xbox live gold are readily apparent. I will only buy one console to start with next gen. This gen that was a 360. But next gen, at least as of this point, the PS4 may be the system I choose to buy first. And depending on the direction xbox live takes, it may be the only system I buy next gen. I'm not thrilled with paying for two videogame subscription services, considering all the other entertainment fees most of us pay. PS plus is very much worth it. The free games alone Sony gives away makes it worth it, and then some. But with each passing day, xbox live gold seems less necessary to me. Depending on the specs of each system next gen, it may not make any sense (other than having so many of my friends on 360 that I will not be able to game with anymore as they only own one system) to continue the multiple system model I have adopted.
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Dlacy13g  +   1100d ago
So tired of these articles. simple solution...if you don't like it don't subscribe. I am not sure it could be any more black and white.
Funky_Homosapien  +   1100d ago
One word...Cross game chat.
Droid Control  +   1100d ago
I've paid for 7 years of xbl and i want my money back!
Back in 2005 I felt it was value for money.

Now, what with FREE online with Playstation, Wii U, and PC, I can't believe they get away with it.

And the adverts! XBL is an utter disgrace.
My gold runs out in May and I won't be renewing.

The only reason I chose 360 over PS3 is the pad. I hate the triggers on the PS3 control pad (my fingers slip off) and the analogue sticks are in the wrong place. Or at least it feels that way to me.

If I could have brought a Sony pad that looked and acted like the 360 pad I would have been off years ago.

I will NOT be buying a 720. I'm getting a PS4
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Father Murder X  +   1100d ago
Just some observations based off the comments abbove
1. Xbox Live should be free but its okay for Sony to charge for PSN+
2. I have been on Xbl for 10 years and rarely have I ever paid full price. I think that even today you can easily find it for 30-35 bucks. If you can afford 2-5 bucks a month for XBL maybe you should have another hobby.
3. PSN is good and I have no complaints. It serves its purpose. Hell I am downloading the DUST beta right now.
4. Sony and MS are in this business to make money. MS has found a way to make money off of something that probably should be free but guess what they are doing a good job with XBL.
5. I think that problem is going to be Sony trying to make people pay for something that has been free is going to be a problem. Don't be shocked if PS+ becomes the standard next gen. MS is making money hands over fist with XBL. Hell that maybe why they don't make exclusives because XBL is their exclusive that sells tens of millions copies a year.

Lets get out of this which one is better crap every single day!!
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Hicken  +   1100d ago
1. XBL's price covers the use of YOUR internet on YOUR system for YOUR games. PS+ is a bonus service that provides games, extra services, and discounts. Different beasts, entirely.

2. I can afford 2-5 bucks a month for the air I breathe. Doesn't mean I want to or SHOULD. It's not about being able to afford it. It's about whether or not you should have to pay for it.

3. Okay...

4. They're in the business of ENTERTAINMENT. This seems to have been forgotten, but IF YOU DON'T ENTERTAIN, YOU DON'T MAKE MONEY. We're not obligated to give them money. They have to EARN it; having a fee for online use is NOT earning it.

5. Won't happen. I have no proof of this, but it's entirely too good of a selling point for Sony to change it. PS+ can't be a standard, because it's an OPTION. People buy into it BECAUSE it's an option, and a damn good deal. If MS is making so much money on XBL subs, it should be no problem for them to put that money into a AAA game or two. But the fact that they make money from XBL doesn't excuse the fact that they SHOULDN'T be.

Whether one is better than the other is kinda a necessary thing to talk about, as much of their value is derived from what each offers over the other.
isyourhouseonfire  +   1100d ago
I gladly pay for it and if they raise the price I'll keep paying for it. Until one of the other services can compare in quality then XBOX LIVE is just how it has to be.
urwifeminder  +   1099d ago
I have not renewed as i moved to pc but will get the next xbox and jump back in plus im no sony fan will never buy their gear again.
lema008  +   1099d ago
Xbox live gold cards are on sale thru out the year. Best Buy has it for $34.99 and Amazon usually price matches it or vise- versa.

Thats $3 a month for excellent online gaming experience people.

Heck. you probably drop off your rented dvd/blu-ray late at least once a month.

But with Sony and Nintendo(Big question mark?) finally catching up or coming close with free online service. I do think MS has to think about that next gen.

I also was surprise and a little annoyed to see advertisements on Xbox live gold!!
brich233  +   1099d ago
ebay has it for 34.99
jdubdoubleu  +   1099d ago
I bet if xbox live charged you $5 on a montly basis you wouldn't be saying anything other than, "thats a pretty good deal". It's $60 A YEAR, a poor man can afford that.
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Gridloc  +   1099d ago
Another feature that I never see being talked about is the fact if you download a game on PS3 you get to download it on 2 playstations (used to be 5). There are games I've bought through Xbl that when I try to play are no longer available. Where's my game? I paid for it and now it's not available. Where's my refund? I've heard many of you saying you get what you pay for. Really? Microsoft has become the greediest company of all time. I for one will never purchase anything MS ever again.
rainslacker  +   1099d ago
To be fair on the games being removed for download. All digital services are like that. I know I can't download my copy of the PS1 classic R-Types anymore from PSN because it was removed from the servers. iTunes occasionally removes content after contracts expire. Google has some things removed by the publishers which become no longer available. It's a downside of DD that often gets overlooked or blatantly ignored, and doesn't really have anything to do with MS or Gold specifically. It's an issue of ownership...namely that you have none with digital content.
ThatsGaming  +   1099d ago
There should be a ban on these articles.

Once every couple weeks some "journalist" comes on repeating the same arguements...

If you don't like Live go buy a PS3 and use the PSN.
TheSaint  +   1099d ago
You HAVE to have gold for online play.

You HAVE to have gold for Youtube.

You HAVE to have gold for the internet explorer.

Bought a Lovefilm sub? You also need gold to watch that.

Microsoft seem to like to charge for stuff that's free literally everywhere else.
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