With the recent news regarding the assumed announcement of the PS4, one Daily Reaction reader asks Seb and Dan: Will console exclusivity be affected by the leap into next gen?
There will probably less full exclusives, and more timed exclusives.
timed exclusives from third party devs for microsoft is obvious but only a fool think sony will stop flooding the industry with exclusives. Games will be easier to make next gen which will lead to faster and cheaper development of games.
Easier to make if sony doesn't use the cell, but even still, all next gen games gunna much more expensive and "harder" to make due to making full use of more powerful hardware (smarter a.i., more detailed backgrounds, explosions, etc.
@helluvaguy You clearly don't understand the statement from the makers of the unreal engine 4. They state next gen devs cant keep hiring too much people to make 1 game anymore, they design the unreal engine to make it become easier for everyone to make games regardless of how technical a video game may seem. Next gen engines will be all about making videos great, fast while remaining cheap for companies.
"timed exclusives from third party devs for microsoft is obvious but only a fool think sony will stop flooding the industry with exclusives." God Of war, Ni no Kuni, The last of Us, beyond + ps4 announced same year. Who does it better than sony?? Anyone?? nope.. I never have once gotten excited over exclusive dlc even on ps3. I don't care for that I just want games that push the hardware! Not a game that will push dlc to the limit.
@helluvaguy: You don't really have an idea what you're talking about, do you? If the technologies in place are more refined next-gen, there is NO need for games to be more expensive to develop. Development rime will definitely be shorter next-gen. That automatically means games will be cheaper to develop. Most cost comes from paying people's salaries
@hellvaguy In all software development the only "real" costs other than licensing any APIs/ code -in games: licensing an engine- it is all these salaries. Games became really expensive to develop this gen. Reason that companies couldn't afford exclusives is that after investing money to people for the art, CGI, animation and game design, the least of all evil was left: code for console optimisation. The fact Sony used "Cell" didn't make it harder as you say, just developers as lazy people and their studios didn't want to invest time into learning a new API and hardware architecture for "low-level" performance tuning. With the new Gen, engines are already trying to be as optimised as possible for as many consoles/ platforms they can. The last bit in a game development, having all these people optimising it, will become shorter and based on Epic (makers of Unreal Engine), less people will be needed there. This gen will be all about: -Investing into CGI/ In-engine render scenes as they "sell", can be used for trailers, can be a "WoW!" factor. -Make it as easy to port games as possible. -Try to minimising the costs as Engines will be "tuned", time to develop will be shorter -maybe at the expense of context sometimes. -DLCs with season passes -they sell unfortunately- to milk a game. -Investing in existing IPs and maybe see a few new ones later on. We will see time exclusive and exclusives again. I believe more exclusives from Sony than MS, as they got lots of Japanese and other USA/ Europe 3rd party studios "loyal" to their brand. Now for MS it will be a question how much it is willing to "spend"...
Doubt they will get third party time exclusive unless Microsoft wants to pay millions for it ..PS4 is easy to develop now...They going to make sure they will maximize their game profit..If you want exclusive games Sony PS4 is where its going to be at..
Sony will improve the 3rd party timed exclusives just as they did at the end of current gen. In first party exclusives Sony will keep the amazing and creative job
Floding with exclusives? Really? Sony has the most exclusives, but not flooded, and I doubt they will do much better cause they dont have the funds and in case you did not noticed 2012 they closed out 5 studios that I know off. All consoles have exclusives its a matter of likes, I like Nintendos the most for exclusives, followed by sony and MS exclusives Im not into it except Forza, but they have 4 new ips, so will see, I hpe nothing like kameo lol, althought MS is the system I use the most cause im always onlive.
I meant to say less 3rd party exclusives...
Maybe on the next Xbox.
I think we'll see more exclusives from Microsoft with the 720 than they had on the 360 in 2012/2013 since they won't be wasting as much effort on the kinect. I think they'll be forced to step up and deliver some more new IPs and exlusives to compete with Sony and PCs with their home console.
@Foolsjoker - More so from Microsoft as that has been their track record this generation while supporting a few great exclusives in the form of GOW, HALO, Forza and Fable, sprinkled with some entertainingly exclusive Xbox Live Arcade titles. On the Sony front, expecting less full game exclusive is at this point impossible as Sony objectively has the lionshare of first party studios with more new IPs being introduced which will be greatly exploited in the upcoming generation of consoles.
Sony's strategy was always exclusives to sell the console. I don't think this will change. While I also think most will carry over, Sony will have some pressure to create some new ones again. KZ is endless...I guess. Another Uncharted maybe, but this is tied very much into the PS3. And most of those are in "season 3". I don't think it's too great to start a "season 4" on a brand new platform. You'd need something which "can only be made possible" by that new platform and be used to give it some identity. As much as Uncharted did with the PS3.
The only exclusives will be funded by the console makers them self. The days of 3rd party exclusives are over because of development costs Nintendo and sony are in best positions because both have IPs and full owned studios. This is where I think MS failed this gen, they should have bought studios and grew their IPs for future. Same 2-3 games will get tiresome All the money they paid to RS for GTA dlc and the money they are paying activision and Bethesda for limited timed exclusives dlc should have gem towards funding so,e 2nd party exclusive games
MS HAVE purchased studios though for next gen development. They own 21 first party studios. Compare that to the 12 that Sony own and it will be interesting to see just what unfolds in the next few months. I have a feeling the blind ignorance on n4g will be in for a rude awakening
Maybe true... But 75% of the studio's that MS "owns" are for Kinect, Arcade titles or kids games. The true GOOD studio's are a hand full.
I don't think the "cost" are the main concern. New platforms will make it easy to port. Exclusives in that respect will always be "cheaper" to make because you don't need to worry (and maintain code) for another platform. But! it's all about profit. Why would you limit your market if you can sell twice as much because it's on 2 or 3 consoles. The additional effort to release to those is not 2x or 3x the initial cost.
Sony going to pump out A LOT of exclusive games for the PS4..Just how they did it with the PS3 last gen..I doubt Microsoft will pay for time exclusive for third party games..If they do they are stupid when they can use it to build a new ip game..Sony is killing microsoft console with their first party exclusive games
Sony will kill in exclusives whether you like them or not. So will Nintendo for that matter. Xbox left us hardcore fans in the dust and forc fed shovelware and kinect titles. They lost my respect and wont be on my radar no matter what they offer. Unless its some monster hunter title lmao
I suppose it means nothing. Console exclusives clearly weren't the winning factor in this generation. If it was we'd all be getting excited about the next-gen sony flying car.
what you mean it wasin't??? i have a ps3 cuz of that, and not an xbox!!! i love gears of war!!! but that alone was not gana keep me from keeping it to long...when Metal Gear Solid 4 came out, i went in and traded it in. i miss it and all, but years later more games came out and i have not looked back.
Overall Id say more people just went with brand loyalty for the 360 and Ps3 more than any other reason. If you had a ps2, u bought a ps3. If you had an xbox, you bought the 360. Then people just cut and pasted reasons to justify for why their system was better: more exclusives, better online, controller, etc. Next gen will be no different. All about the brand loyality.
hellvaguy the only thing is sony sold more ps2s last gen and microsoft sold less xboxes
Seriously man, rather just stop commenting. True gamers go where the games go. It's as simple as that
I agree but in terms of brand name games like GoW, UE, Halo, KillZone, Forza, fable, GT6 and GOW. Will definitely be making there rounds next gen. Those games were the winning factor of this gen. Take Gears and UE for instance. Those titles clearly made a name for themselves early on this gen for being brand new Ips. MS and Sony know its a MUST they have to release that 1 new Ip that that is gonna immediately resonate with the fans and become a brand name. The Hardcore HAS to come first in the beginning of consoles stardom. The games must be their number 1 factor. History repeats itself with every new console. people are worried about MS not having any new hardcore games at launch and after launch. But even with the rumored Kinect 2.0 I can assure you MS WILL cater to the hardcore. Kinect as another means of "gaming" has failed. Better with Kinect should be the main factor if they must use Kinect for games again. @dbjj your right though, it means nothing in the long run just variety at that point.
People that believe exclusives have made a difference are just in denial. They clearly haven't. The PS3 would have outsold the 360 by tens of thousands of units if that was the case. I agree that exclusives will only exist for a handful of reasons. One is that the developer will be paid. The developer is a first party studio. Or the developer is targeting a very specific audience(like Japan, no need for Xbox version). The only thing that may change that is if one console is a leap above the other.
Exclusive games does matter..The reason why the 360 sold so many console is because america is stupid enough to purchase another one when when it died on them..The 360 was playing catch up with the PS3 hardware too..anyone remember hdmi in the new xbox360? Also microsoft got a 1 year head start over Sony..I think last gen people were stupid to buy a 360 ..They spend a lot of money on it especially with all the add ons and xbox live crap
Well when Microsoft went casual with the XBOX360 i sold it and got myself a PS3. So in my case i bought a PS3 because of the games that i was interested in and most of those games are exclusives on Sonys platform. Unlike most people in N4G, brand name doesnt really mean anything to me. What is most important to me are what those brands can offer me not the name which has no value in my opinion.
Lol, what? At the start of this gen I was an Xbox and Sony fan split right down the middle. Now, I am so far in Sony's camp I can't even see the fence anymore. Infamous, uncharted, metal gear, little big planet, god of war and the new beyond the last guardian....lol this is why I game. AAA games that suck hundreds of hours out of my life.
Play Ni No Kuni... that's already sucked many hours out of mine lol
I don't foresee a significantly noticeable difference. Sony has a strong first party line-up that I don't think is quite ready to jump ship. Yes, we'll see Microsoft pay for more timed exclusives to try to bring fans to their side, but Sony will get most of those eventually anyway. Sony's exclusive franchises are stronger and in larger supply than Micros'.
Fully agree. I don't think anyone needs to worry about a lack of PS4 exclusives. I'm more concerned about how third parties will take advantage of the PS4/720.
Well I don't agree that Sony's exclusives are stronger. But yes, there are more of them.
It truly depends on the genres in question. The 360 will never produce an exclusive hack n slash on the same level of quality as God of War and the PS3 will never produce an exclusive online shooter as deep as Halo.
Agreed Logic. I'd be very surprised if anything came up in those respective genres to dethrone those killer ips.
You lost me a "as deep as halo". Maybe that were true back in Halo2 but that isn't the case anymore. I own Halo 4, and all it reminds me of is COD in a Halo Universe. There are alot of people rather disappointed with it, including myself. Most people who bought Halo 4 (day one) either stop playing, or traded it in towards Black Ops 2.
@Muerte2494 He's referring to *exclusive* online shooter. @Logic What do you mean by deep? I'd say Killzone 2 is definitely one of deepest online shooters out there. If you are talking about Halo as a franchise as a whole vs any other exclusive online shooter franchise then I'll give you that. KZ1 and especially KZ3 are terrible to mediocre shooters at best (Remember we talking strictly online here), but KZ2 is definitely one of the better, deep and unique online experiences to come out this gen.
Sony made sure they provide something new, fresh, varied, different, and interesting to the gaming community every generation while keeping the old ones getting better. Its like plating new seeds along with old ones to produce new crops of food to eat. Sony PlayStation games and hardware grows with the gamer as they also grow and age. Experimenting is their game: Uncharted, LBP, Heavy Rain, Resistance, Warhawk, Flower, Journey, DC Universe Online, Gravity Rush, The Last of Us, Beyond, Puppeteer, Rain, etc. They look at the future while their competition only look behind (Nintendo) and the present(M$). Looks like this isn't gonna change very soon.
In the early years of a new console exclusives are incredibly important. They help define the console and give potential customers that all important deciding factor.
Devout fans of the console with the least exclusives will always attempt to belittle their importance but the truth is as simple as...
More games = better
xbox user here. I agree with your last statement. If I didn't already have an xbox with 50k+ achievements and all of my friends and cooworkers didn't play xbox, and if the ps3 controller didn't suck I would definitely be on ps3.
Fewer exclusives. If both consoles really are using x86 architecture, you're going to see a lot more on PC. See how easy it was to port 360 games to PC, it'll be even easier for both consoles next time round. The only exclusives you'll get are from first party studios - the old "we're too small a studio for multiplatform development" line will never be heard again.
with both consoles using off the shelf components, it should be very easy to make a game for both consoles, so I don't see many third party developers making their game only on one console.
First parties FTW
3rd parties aren't doing it for PS3/360, neither. Which 3rd party is exclusive?
Hopefully Sony will have a lot of exclusive titles, for Microsoft I don't know ...
I hope the next Xbox has more exclusives than the 360, and I also hope Sony keeps supporting the PS4 as much as they did with the PS3. I'm sure they will.
Sure they will, On a really trustful german gaming-website I've read that the staff of this site is invited on Feb20 to see the Playstation 4 ...
Lets hope Microsoft step their game up and do alot of awesome core exclusives... Sony will keep investing heavilly in exclusives just look at Ps3 stills Strong in that departament. Your move, Microsoft... Who Wins ? Us, Gamers.
Both Sony and Microsoft will be fine for first party exclusives. Sony have always been strong in this area, and Microsoft have built a lot of new studios from the ground up. I expect Microsoft's first party output to be much better next gen then this. 3rd party exclusives are all but dead thankfully.
Same as always, each console maker will release a handful of superstar AAA titles, your Mario's, Zelda's, Uncharted, Gran Turismo, Halo, Gears Of War's of the world. Then there will be the middle of the pack exclusives and then the niche titles that go largely unnoticed and unbought. Probably see even more timed DLC because both Sony and Microsoft will want to get people to buy 3rd party games on their console, if the Call Of Duty maps and things like the Skyrim DLC have proven anything, it's that people will buy a game on a particular console if that console gets content first. Now that isn't for every game, but huge games like Elder Scrolls and Call Of Duty tend to do that.
With PS4... Uncharted 4, Infamous 3, KillZone 4, and probably a new IP by the LittleBigPlanet guys. With Next Xbox... Black Tusk Studios new IP, Alan Wake 2, Fable IV. Same old.
What if Naughty Dog creates a new IP or Guerilla Games makes a new Shooter, Sony Santa Monica something else than God of War and the LittleBigplanet "guys" a new outstanding IP and amazing niche titles made or published by Sony Japan?
Or maybe Resistance 4, Mod Nation Racers 2... What if they announce a new Ratchet and Clank game?! :O
Sony Santa Monica has a second team working on a new IP.
I can not wait to see what Black Tusk is working on. Rumour is that Lionhead are working on a new MMO IP, but I would love to see a next gen Fable 4 as well.
Same here, despite the fact that (imo) Fable could of been pushed harder on the current Xbox with Fable IV. If Halo 4 and gears 3 looked, and played the way they do on aging hardware, Fable 4 on the 360 could of been pushed just as hard graphically and innovation wise. Other than that Lionheads rumored Fable-esque MMO should be great. Black Tusks New AAA halo quality Ip Im looking forward to. Gears 4, Forza 5, Alan Wake 2, Halo 5, Ryse, PGR, next gen Crack Down, Killer Instinct, plus 2 more possible hardcore Ip's. MS would be on a SERIOUS role.
@ Angelic. I argee regarding your opinion with Fable. I think we all know what that IP could be. I hope that Lionhead becomes a better focused studio without Peter M's wild ideas and input. I feel that the Fable IP has just worn out it's welcome this gen. Core gamers have all but turned their back on it since Fable 3 and the Journey. Satrt fresh with a new Fable next gen.
Firstly, can I borrow your time-machine? Secondly, don't be so Pre-presumptuous just because you favour Sony.
I don't honestly see much of a difference in their strategy.Sony has turned around because of strong exclusives,and they'll continue with that.Microsoft will probably have few exclusives and deals with third-party companies like this generation,but we'll see even fewer third-party exclusives.Nintendo will keep on it's own path like,from the looks of it.
With new hardware come new IP's and continuing older popular franchises simple.New IP's give identity to that platfornm old continue what gamers like about that brand.
I think its more important for Microsoft because Sony and Nintendo have already have my money but Microsoft will have to show me something I really want. However Sony has got a lot of work to do to wow us after last of us, it looks like they've raised the bar for what consoles can do.
Cant wait to see what Naughty Dog can create using next gen tech.
MS buy timed exclusives next-gen MW4, GTA5, BF4 big trouble Sony in USA. Its no chance? Look japan Nintendo buy Monster Hunter and Dragon Quest IP. I'm not fanboy, but MS not stupid and very dangerous for Sony in USA, and Unreal Engine 4 debuted only next-box awesome new IP..hmm. This big match only yet beginning!
You no make sense.
Remember? Final Fantasy 13 only for ps3! Maybe coming for 360, no its BS and rumor! E3 2008. FF13 offical coming for X360.
Why is this listed as Wii and Wii U new?