An opinion piece reviling the bias discussion of the violent danger of violent video games by Eric Burnett on CNN and defending David Jaffe's impassioned response.
Let me just kill a few hookers and ill get a few "points" in GTA.....these guys are so ignorant about video games, in fact, and its obvious that they did not even play the games they where even talking about...
Some were saying Jaffe came across too aggressive but I believe what he said was 100%. So these morons can blame gaming and gamers for all the society eissues yet we should be gentle or nice when make our point? Someone has to stop up to these bullies, your kids are your fucking responsibility. If you have a stupid kid who plays GTA while under age tha does something stupid than its on the parents no on gaming There is a rating system. I have seen parents buy 8-10 year old kids COD games. So maybe be a better parent and lock your Fucking guns because when you buy me to protect yourself make sure you keep me in a safe so your retarded kid couldn't get to use them Sorry about the language I am so tired of media blaming all their issues on us. Society has some dumb ass,stupid,retarded people just accept the fact we got some morons who do stupid stuff. Raise your kids right Teach them family values Be a better parent
To be fair, the industry should be well aware of the effects of their games on the kids just as much. It's not a surprise or a secret that companies like Activision/Microsoft/Sony profit off kids using violence. They know their products gets into kids hands anyways, that's why they have the Graphical-content warning since MW2 and keep things like nudity out of even M-rated games (which is silly IMO for reasons outside this article). To their credit and other developers like Epic games that adds a No Gore/Profanity option: it is a step in the right direction toward the industry helping parents.
We have a right to be angry. It's insulting to hear our hobby is being accused as being a tool for training to kill people. I mean that's what a lot of these media types have just come out and said. Videogames are the reason people have walked out of their house and fired bullets into school children. I mean come on really? I'm glad Jaffe has stood up for gamers and just called these idiots out. They just point a finger at whatever they don't understand instead of actually putting research into these things. I also think sessler did a good job too http://n4g.com/news/1163995...
What games and movies 'CAN' do (can meaning to some individuals not all) is desensitize violence. If you grow up seeing violent movies and playing violent games then seeing real world violence may not be as alarming to 'SOME' individuals. I'm not sure if there is proof of that or not but I will give them the benefit of the doubt for arguments sake. The problem is from seeing to action. I have played many violent games and have seen many violent movies. That doesn't mean I have ever or will ever curb-stomp someones face because I saw it in American History X. A disturbed individual who already has issues may react differently. I think some people just have it in them that can do harmful things and playing violent videogames or watching violent movies may trigger that even further. Again I am no expert but giving them the benefit of the doubt for arguments sake. So to generalize and say videogames are the reason for violent crimes just isn't true. That is why it is the parents job to know their children. Not every person is as mature as the one beside them.
I agree 100% with what he was saying, and am glad a well known figure in the industry is standing up for it. However he did come off in a very unprofessional manner. It is counter-productive to what he was trying to achieve. I understand he was angry. Watching the original interview made me angry as well. But in this case he is representing an industry, and not just himself. I know he didn't start the attack, but in these circumstances it's always better to take the high road. Present facts, cite studies, offer up real debate on the topic. Force it into the media so they are forced to respond. Doing it in what amounted to a ranting letter does not paint him or the industry in a good light, and it could be used to only re-affirm what the original reporter said...like "see this is what they're like". It sucks that's the way the media nowadays handles these things, but if your going to go up against the media, you have to cover your bases. Too much gets taken out of context, and things get twisted around too much to suit agendas.
2 people I cant stand Jaffe and regie. They are both self center that seem they want everyone to know they are right about everything. Dumb journalism, ince when 2 wrong make it right anyways, must be the new fad of 2013. @logicwins, you are right jaffe like always want attention and want the gaming community to support im, he just want to be big, reminds me of entertainers lol.. hes going to take lady gagas place soon.
This is what happens when you start paying people for their 'opinion'. Up yours Erin, you MSM troll.
All these reports on violence being blamed on games is really starting to grate on me. Some of these reports go on as if violence and shooting people has only been happening since video games came about which is simply not true. Things were either just as bad then or in some cases worse. I'm totally with kids/young teenagers not playing violent games but if they do get hold of them and they can't tell the difference between reality and fantasy then there's something wrong with child to begin with.
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I would love to see David Jaffe on Fox News/CNN debating this issue. Without any foul language that is lol
I'd much rather see someone from the ESRB up there. They are very well informed on these issues and have tons of statistical data to present. It's kind of hard to dismiss that the industry regulates itself when your talking to someone from the biggest regulatory foundation within the industry. Hell there are even US government agencies which have studied this topic at great length with information which refutes everything that is being said lately. Someone from those agencies would be good as well. In the end you don't fight hyperbole with more hyperbole. You have to use facts. I have nothing against Jaffe, or any other developer really, but there are those within the industry who are much more equipped at getting the facts out there in a good way. Either way it won't happen. Shows like this in the media already know what the truth is. They are pushing an agenda, and to do that you can't really put people up there that will discredit that agenda. The person this women was interviewing did just that, but she became real hostile and pretty much steam rolled his statement into meaninglessness.
I think it's about time someone set these inconsiderate fools straight that think they know everything about something they clearly don't know shit about. Thanks Jaffe.
Jaffe didn't set anyone straight. 99.8167454% don't know who David Jaffe is, much less his remarks towards Burnett. A CNN/Fox correspondent will do the same thing sometime in the near future and half of Americans will believe them..being the ignoramuses they are.
Fighting against something morally wrong is never pointless, even if that struggle ultimately proves futile. There is something intrinsically valiant in the act itself. There's certainly nothing admirable or productive in doing absolutely nothing to resist the misinformation spread by the mouthpieces of the big news corporations. They are undoubtedly formidable opponents when it comes to (rightly or wrongly) influencing public opinion but they only present an unsurmountable challenge if nobody endeavors to counteract their nonsense and its corruption. Jaffe doesn't have massive reach, no, but I definitely still salute him for trying to rectify the damaging falsehoods being dispersed en masse by people like Erin Burnett - at least he is trying to do something. If the figureheads in the game industry as a whole spoke out as a collective voice, the message cannot be ignored.
First of all, this is a fight against ignorance...not morality(thats being overly dramatic). And theres nothing "valiant" about Jaffe. He's just one of the billion angry people with a keyboard that post their opinions on forums, Twitter, or Facebook everyday. You give him too much credit.
Promoting ignorance is only a single facet of the transgressions that the mainstream news habitually perpetrate. They do not simply mean to misinform, but to actually shape and mold public opinion as to align it with whatever agenda is currently held by those ultimately at the top of corporate ladder in which they are merely a dependent rung, and in doing so they can directly and sometimes even considerably manipulate the way that people vote, thus affecting the law of the land (potentially influencing the adoption of laws that infringe upon civil liberties). This is hardly a conspiracy theory either. I do not think that the Illuminati is trying to control our minds. The process I've described is well evidenced by countless examples, one needs only research the antics of Rupert Murdoch and his media empire to see how blatantly 'news reporting' can be manipulated to instill within the public certain political leanings. It is in this way that their devious misinformation can go on to negatively impact the citizenry's very freedom, if that isn't immoral, I do not know what is. I have no response to your second paragraph, as I don't think you make any valid points worthy of genuine rebuttal. That him being one of many angry people using a keyboard to post on the internet could diminish his contribution to the struggle against campaigns of misinformation strikes me as either reductionist logic or an appeal to ridicule - neither of which devalue his efforts to publicly decry the detrimental falsehoods spouted by one Erin Burnett.
"They do not simply mean to misinform, but to actually shape and mold public opinion as to align it with whatever agenda is currently held by those ultimately at the top of corporate ladder in which they are merely a dependent rung, and in doing so they can directly and sometimes even considerably manipulate the way that people vote, thus affecting the law of the land (potentially influencing the adoption of laws that infringe upon civil liberties)." Correct. But we have to first determine WHY this happens? Is it the medias fault because they are more obsessed with ratings than telling the truth? Is it the public's fault for being so easily swayed? Is it both their faults? And my second paragraph wasn't meant to ridicule him. It's meant to be realistic. Jaffe isn't the first person to provide a counterargument to the media's negativity towards videogames.
Ah, I'll expend my last bubble conceding that you have made some cogently rational points. I certainly agree that the obsession with and dependence on ratings have fostered a culture of sensationalism amongst news outlets, and you could definitely argue that if so many people weren't susceptible to the allure of sensationalist reporting then it wouldn't be so effective at attracting large viewerships, and thus would probably be abandoned. This is undoubtedly a fair argument. Though it may reasonably be perceived as 'blaming the victim' or some such. I find it more difficult to fault the general public for being "so easily swayed" though. To echo the assessment of countless philosophers before me: for a democracy to prosper and flourish, the system naturally requires unimpeded input from a sufficiently educated and literate electorate. The talking heads on the news (at least ones that have are given an agenda to promote) are merely the foremostly visible aspects of a grandly perfected practice of sophistry: everything they show and everything they say (the words, the syntax, et cetera) is precisely and purposely formulated as to influence the viewer in a certain way. This also extends to online news outlets too (for example, The Huffington Post unashamedly advocates certain political positions). The fact that most people are defensive, absolute laymen when it comes to this particular variety of the art of deception and deceitful manipulation is a difficult thing to hold against them. These people are gullible, yes, but usually innocently so, and that they should be systematically incredulous when it comes to interpreting the 'news' must seem like a ridiculous idea to them. They, via thorough and proper education, ultimately have to be saved from themselves. Though I can't reply, I'd be interested to know why you think it isn't appropriate that Jaffe should be the one to "provide a counterargument to the media's negativity towards video-games." Is it simply because he designs violent video-games himself? Or is it that he seems to have some proclivity for willfully becoming embroiled in such controversies because he often engages in inflammatory comments concerning the subject? (the latter, or some such variation, strikes me as potentially reasonable). Still, considering his expertise and ability to observe (despite his clear bias and vested interest), I think his viewpoint is of considerable value here.
"Though I can't reply, I'd be interested to know why you think it isn't appropriate that Jaffe should be the one to "provide a counterargument to the media's negativity towards video-games." I don't have a problem with Jaffe speaking his mind..all I'm saying is that it didn't solve anything, yet people are treating him like some "hero". As I said before, Jaffe isn't the first person to call out the media.
@Logic: You seem to be saying that because Jaffe didn't change the world with his reply to Erin Burnett's idiocy that he shouldn't have bothered trying at all. Think of how any nation would have been able to claim any sort of independence if they had your apathetic attitude. People are treating Jaffe like a "hero" as you call it because he was the first to call Erin Burnett out on her B.S. after this "report" she made. Someone had to lead the charge on this, and it was Jaffe. But, knowing you, you'd have said the same thing regardless of who it was. You're so jaded and negative that your first reaction to this wasn't "I'm glad that someone did what they could to speak out against this" it was "he's just another douchebag that won't accomplish anything." That's pretty sad.
"People are treating Jaffe like a "hero" as you call it because he was the first to call Erin Burnett out on her B.S. after this "report" she made. Someone had to lead the charge on this, and it was Jaffe." LOL, you make it sound like we're at war.
Wow, so because people are grateful for Jaffe's actions they are treating him like a hero? LOL! It's not anyone's problem that you misinterpret their gratitude for Jaffe's remarks as treating him like a hero. Get real.
@Logic: Yeah, in a sense we are at war. A media centered, government backed war on video games has already begun and they have the advantage. Every single person who can speak out the truth against people like Erin Burnett should do so unless you want to see games heavily regulated to the point of being the kind of stuff you'd play on a Leapfrog device.
Unfortunately, I agree with Logic, but not because I don't think the shouldn't have spoken out. Rather because he spoke out in a way that made him seem like any other raging blogger. That's just not the way to deal with this. Contrary to internet belief, people that don't understand a particular subject don't respond well to what they perceive as fanaticism. It only gives the idiots more fuel to add to the fire, and Jaffe "going off" on Burnett, good and righteous as it felt to read, came off as just another meandering rant.
I propose we change FinchDenton's name to LOGICWINS.
Lol the guy "trained" in a video game and taught himself how to shoot/hold/aim a gun? Well then I guess I know how to drive because I'm an expert in Gran Turismo...Or maybe I know how to play the guitar because I've mastered the art of Guitar Hero? You see how this works people? Her face is so punch-able but she's also so bang-able at the same time...My penis is confused.
Actually people get out of Gran Turismo and go into Racedriving. because you know, Gran Turismo IS a Driving-Simulator... take another example ^^ and the thing is YOU ACTUALLY can use a drivingwheel. I aint using a gun for shooter, Im still using my controller. Dunno how that can ever work :D :D
Meh. I can take it or leave it.
It's an issue that will sadly never go away. We'll see it next gen, infact, we'll see it in September when GTA V rolls around and the next mass shootings happens. If you watch the video, it's fascinating to me to see them talking what Obama's new proposal for tighter gun control could have on the companies the produce these weapons. It's millions and millions dollars. They then follow that up with 'It's violent video games'. They say repeatedly these games end up in the hands of children. If that bothers you then parents should get off their lazy arse and stop that, rather than making companies do the parenting for them. However, what do you think kids, young boys in particular, want? Do these people completely forget what it was like to be a kid. I remember when I was 12 years old, I wanted to watch actions films and my friends an I would play fight a lot. We'd then sit and play games like Tekken and wow you should of seen our reaction when we first saw God of War. This is exactly what kids want because young boys want blood and action. Call of Duty isn't the highest selling game because some little psycho kids are training to shoot up their school, they just want to shoot things and be annoying little shits down the mic. Apart from the mic part, how is this any different from us watching The Terminator and Robocop when we were kids? We live in this almost contradictory time where parents want to coddle their kids but don't want to take on the responsibility of a parent. So the parent takes the stance of "My kids shouldn't be playing these games!" rather then sitting down and having and a talk with your child. They might see that they're just like any other kid that enjoys playing games.
The movie industry has much more influence on people but seems to get a free pass, who the hell went for a swim after watching jaws, people buying rambo knives because of rambo films, etc etc
Watching all of the Final Destination films made me afraid of everything. :P
u tell her jaffe
Breaking News! Violent video games cause for poverty, famine and the economic crisis. I wonder if in the future Fox News and CNN will run a headline like that. Ignorant pricks.
Haha was I the only one who noticed, callofduty/infinity ward. And they were showing black ops 2. Idiots
i always thought that it was the bullet fired from a gun that kills ppl. turns out its actually video games! Oh how ignorant i have been!
People, wake up already. This is all bullshit, theyre blaming video games to push their own agendas. People have car accidents...Have they been playing NFS? Who has ever decided to start selling drugs after a session of Scarface:The World Is Yours? Or went out to beat the kid next door because you played Bully? Who has ever jumped on someone elses head because has been playing Mario? And who's become a better farmer because of farmville? Or, who rides their horse better (or learn how to ) because of countless horseback ridding games? Whos got better at slinging magic spells because of fantasy games? or killed the kid next door with a sword like some knight in some RPG? Who got better (or learned ) at soccer, baseball, basketball or any other sport because of EA? WHO HAS EVER LEARNED HOW TO CAST CURAGA? Ive been practicing it for decades now, i should be a t master level right now!! Who got better at sports after a session of WiiSports? Who has ever become a better dancer because of dance Central? Dont you get it? If you answer no/no one in one of the questions then its the same answer all across the board. Gaming is the same in all of those cases; How come its only Gun based games and ALWAYS, INEVITABLY GTA that its the issue? THIS IS ALL A PLOY, DONT BE PART OF IT.
If games really influence people this much, i should be FICKING BILLIONAIRE
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