More news from a UK daily national tabloid newspaper which makes some bold claims for its readers gleaned from suggested Internet rumors, leaks and its own sources.
People post anything.
The thing is, The Sun has millions of non gaming savvy readers who will take their claims as gospel.
@bunt - Definitely. A lot of this is old rumors, and conjecture and nothing that has actually been substantiated. Also Xbox June release, really doubt it.
Indeed the amount of crappy football rumours people take as truth I hear is insane.. I would love to See PS4 in June and hell its possible but its doubtful. It would really annoy the crap out of MS though if they did.. It may explain why GTA was delayed as they could have told Rockstar its launching in June so rockstar delayed to game to make a PS4 version. Imagine if GTA was an exclusive (nex gen) to ps4? That would be huge for Sony and releasing early would possibly net that.
New Xbox likely to launch in June 2013 - Fake Will have film quality graphics - like real life? I don´t think so
i imagine they will be close to film quality graphics. theres already a few PS3 exclusives that are comparable to film quality as it is. god of war and killzone for example
I always said 2015-2020 would be the year of graphics that take a huge leap.
@Sonystyled LOL there is nothing "film quality" about God of War or Killzone. They have very good graphics and that's it. Be serious.
Wait a minute 10x more powerfull? I thought the PS3 was already had supercomputer power, does this mean its a quantum calculation now? Lol, whatever, Im tired of bs numbers with poor results.
Quantum computers should take over right around the time transistors gates hit low single digit atom counts, sometime around the year 2025. But they may never become consumer products, as the process of transmitting quantum data requires "teleportation" due to the fragility of quantum bits(qbits, which are know to be destroyed after each operation), and some of the components are physically rare(something like diamond, crystal, etc. would be required). As a quick example of the exponential power of qbits, a terabyte of data is 2^43 0/1 values, while 500 qbits is 2^500 "complex" values. They can be analogized to vector calculus, while today's computers would comparatively be addition and subtraction by 1.
The PS3 certainly is no supercomputer, but it was quite a powerful console when it came out, and it still holds up well today. But today's high end PC's (which are also not supercomputers) trounce the PS3. But anyway, I'm eager to see what Sony reveals about PS4 later this month.
Supercomputer is a moving target. Your dumb phone is probably an advanced supercomputer compared to the first supercomputer in the 1960s.
Why do the English over sensationalized everything? The media that is.
British, not english.. the UK isn't just england.
One crappy tabloid rag does not represent an entire country.
British journalism is a mixed bag like most other countries and, proudly, some of the most unbiased of any country.
Obviously it doesn't represent a whole country and I know the difference between England & Great Britain alright.
You need to get out more... This is no different than Famitsu saying "check back for a scoop on a popular game fans want next week." Typically these are followed up by some lame game no one cares about, a game we never heard about and won't care about or in some cases a genuine scoop.
The Sun is a very despised paper in the UK. They are known to lie and create stories to sell papers. And it is a paper owned and run by American Rupet Murdoch.
Rupert Murdock is Australian.
He is dual nationality Australia/American. I just googled and found out he lost his Australian citizenship when he aquired his American citizenship in 1985.
Definately lol. Those 'journalists' just collected every rumor that is on the internet, no matter how dumb it is. But hey, it's The Sun, so nothing much to expect from them anyway, but for us who are informed it's funny, but the regular reader might even believe it.
If they were to truly release in June, that would be a very interesting move. I would really like to see how it sells, right after the E3 hype. But alas, this will not happen.
perfectly sums up the article and title.
Love how he definitely just googled PS4 images and took the first two he found.
720 release date JUNE?? lol so much flamebait the SUN must be sooooooo bright they will post anything for hits.
So is my laptop I paid £399 for and so are the graphics !
Yea OK !!!!!!
Isn't the Wiiu like 300. Ps4 will probably launch at like 450.
Read again. It's in pounds, not dollars. Don't think the PS4 will be $700...
That was regarding it being 10 times the power not price!
Release in June.. http://i.minus.com/ibuUkpeU... Madness.
Utter madness. http://i.imgur.com/XtQcTGp....
Madness you say? http://cdn.head-fi.org/f/f4...
Madness? http://www.youtube.com/watc... Probably not what you meant :) Anyway launching in June does have some advantages. By launching so early they can take advantage of the current slowing in Wii U sales. They will hope to capture some of those that may have gone for a Wii U. And of course they would be out before the Xbox.next so they would get a jump on Microsoft. But I don't expect it in June, most likely September or October.
Doesn't make sense. But maybe they'll do it just to be out "first". Big business will pick up for or around the holidays. You can't build headway by releasing that early. And both specs will be available by then. People will make up their mind and probably wait the couple of month. And, nobody buys consoles in summer...
Ju, I'm not sure you're right. It could make sense. A June release is right around E3. The 360S released around that time and did big sales. A new console with a lot of new games would get people in the stores. Hardcore gamers don't check the month before they buy. If you had a tiered release schedule like the Sony rumors it really makes sense. The US and Japan in June and Europe by the Holiday season. Though for Microsoft, you don't have to worry about Japan. Sell direct to the US military personnel. But this way you also take care of the hardcore early and leave the Holiday for mainstream purchases. This gets the consoles in the hands of your base with less worry of "this year's hot items" purchasers in the way. June is a very good release time. Add that Summer job money and extra free time and it's ideal. On the power thing. People seem to forget the advances in GPU's and CPU since 2004-5. This is 2013. GPU's definitely 10 times the power. And with HSA and programming built around it CPUs won't be far behind that. So 10 times makes perfect sense. Look at benchmarks for a R520(ATI card 360 GPU based on) and compare it to a Southern Islands card. Southern Islands is more than ten times the power.
I don't see a June release happening. E3 is June 11-13, which means Sony would have to either announce a launch date for that on the 20th along with a plethora of games, and then hype it up at E3 while units may just sit on the shelf and retailers scramble to get ready. It is possible, just not probable. I remember the Saturn launch where Sega just came out one day and said "you can now buy it in stores" only a few months after announcing it, and several months before their original launch date. It was disastrous for them. If the PS3 launch is announced on the 20th, then it wouldn't be that bad, but June is only 4 months away, and it's only 1 month after their big release of The Last of Us. Still may be possible if PS4 is completely BC, but highly unlikely. OTOH, I wasn't expecting the teaser a couple days ago, so who knows.
what a shitty times, i think now even i can be a journalist.
Yes, if you put in the "effort", you could b_one. =D
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@b_one Y'ah dun good, son. Yah dun good.
If XBOX is launching in June, they are pretty late in advertising and hyping things. And I can't see any console predating the market before GTA5 release date (not that I care about it, but the industry does).
I'm pretty sure that if GTA5 is going to be a next gen game then the consoles will need to be available to buy. Otherwise it will be a next gen console game that cant be played because theres no hardware to play it on.
if there is anext gen release they will obviouslyjust up the texture quality which would be easy, just like altering in game settings on PC.
It's not always that simple Flying. Even a texture swap would require a complete retesting of the game. Anything released in June would have to be going gold within the next 2 months, particularly for a title that will sell big. Also if the architecture is vastly different than the PS3, which is already being assumed, then there is a lot of programming involved, unless they have some parity with the 360/720 version. Too many unknowns to make an accurate guess. If GTA5 was always intended to be a next gen title though things could be different. I find this may be possible given that the news for GTA seems to be rather sparse for such a big title. next gen GTA5 would be a mega-bomb if it was released on launch though, and would really help drive console sales. It is one of those few games that really is a system seller.
But if there is a next gen version why not be the only system on the market for it. You would clean up with the hardcore for June, July and August. GTA5 brings you a boost in September. Then the holiday season carries you the rest of the year. June actually makes perfect sense. Your main audience in the Summer would be the hardcore gamers and we all know that they will know it's out there. And they won't have to worry about housewives and their Christmas list yet. Plus the software market is slow but people will still have money. I know the Summer has always been considered bad. But that's because people have accepted it as being that way. But I also know that me and a lot of people I know have always complained about the lack of software during the Summer. Summer is a perfect time if you are first and definitely if you are the only one.
I like that thinking. I don't believe the actual hardware matters which time of year it's released. Those first few months are usually made up of the ones that will buy it no matter what. I always hated the software drought of summer, and wish more publishers would take advantage of it, particularly with niche and new IP's. Get sales in the summer and then for the holidays seems logical to me, although I'm sure release practices are pretty well backed up with statistical data over the past 30 years.
I think it's backed up by data because of the lack of any data to contradict it. In the US, I believe retail makes 40% of it's sales during the holiday season. But thinks like new phones and tablets aren't released during the holiday season. And they make major sales. The 360S was released right after E3 and sales rose substantially. Same for every new PS3. I believe people think you need to wait for the holiday because no one has tried anything else. There are alway shortages at the beginning of most new consoles because of the holiday release schedule. Why not eliminate that. You'd still get the Christmas sales and will have a bigger install base for those holiday releases. Plus a Summer release means Europe doesn't have to wait with no Christmas sales to worry about. Also, in reference to your comment above. Back when the Dreamcast was launched, Gaming was a far smaller entertainment product. Not it is the main entertainment product. I'm sure gaming is a well over 60 billion now. Back then I wonder if it was even ten billion. Even the mainstream press follows gaming. They don't train their reporters on it. But they follow it.
True the lack of data may be because few big games release in the Summer, and most try to cram it in in Q1 or holiday sales...hell just look at the next 2 months, it has a bigger release schedule than this holiday had...possibly due to trying to get out before the PS4. It's sort of a self fulfilling prophecy int his regard. Really big IP's can sell at any time, but most publishers still go for that holiday season to capitalize on sales, like say Assassins Creed. This wasn't really always the case though. In the PS2 days you generally saw a pretty solid line up all year long, which did dip a bit in the summer, but not the trickle like we've seen this gen. I'm all for a summer release, and have money saved up already for my next system. However if there won't be any games to go with it then I'd rather they wait. In reference to above(The Saturn), yeah Sega screwed that up royally. It did release in the summer as I recall. The bigger problem they had wasn't the size of the market, as people were interested in the system, but rather the fact they just said "it's now available" without enough units being shipped out to retail. Some stores didn't even have them and it pissed off retailers. On top of that many developers weren't ready to ship their games with the launch, which left a very limited supply of games available, and developers were pissed because they wanted those launch sales that come with new systems. Obviously this kind of thing wouldn't be the case with the PS4, as it was a lesson learned back in the day. If Sony says on the 20th, it'll release this Summer, the consumer, retailers, publishers(who likely already know), and developers will be ready for it.
The belief seems to be that Microsoft will release this Summer. But I wouldn't be surprised to see them both do it. Sony stated sometime ago that they wouldn't be the last to the market this time so they could release this Summer too. As far as software goes. I think the Xbox will be very similar in a lot of ways to the 360. I think it will use Power7 cores, not Steamroller. But they will be modified for HSA. Or they might be using a combination of both. I believe they will have two APUs, while the PS4 will have one and a discrete GPU. MS seems to want the ability to do more than one function at a time. An APU with a Power7 CPU and a AMD GPU for full BC and to assist the other APU where needed. The other would be a full HSA Steamroller core AMD APU. That would still be two GPUs, but it would also be a lot more CPU power. That makes sense if the rumors of 3gbs of RAM are for the OS. If all of the features like Kinect,voice(Skype), messaging and networking are handled by one APU( a light load for a 4 core Power7 CPU) the majority of that GPU and the other entire eight core Steamroller APU would be used to handle strictly the game itself. And I don't think the cost would be that different from using a discrete GPU like the PS4 rumors. Remember the rumors of a two APU Xbox that had both used for the same process but seemingly for two different things. I think that could be off-loading all functions but the game itself to the other APU. Plus While the rumors are that the PS4 is slightly more powerful, I believe the Xbox will have an advantage. AMD doesn't have full HSA parts yet. I believe Microsoft might be closer to that than they are. Though the first full HSA APU could be in the PS4. AMD released the first Unified Shader GPU in the 360 months before it hit discrete GPUs. It could do that with HSA on the PS4. But an article I read years ago about a conference with CPU engineers from various companies makes me think MS might be ahead of AMD. The lead AMD engineer commented that they were following the MS roadmap on what became their Fusion line. The chip in the 360S was the first APU or CGPU as MS called it. And it had to be dumbed down to keep it compatible with the 360s already in the wild. So I think MS has some surprises that AMD doesn't even know about. Plus they release C++ AMP a year or so ago. I believe that was to get programmers ready for HSA and to work the bugs out of the tools for the next Xbox. But. it's all speculation.
10x more lmao
The Nvidia GTX680 is 15x more powerful thancurrent consoles so I cant see why the xbox 720 and PS4 cant be 10x more powerful.
And 690 is 24 times as powerful as the Xenos. That doesnt make 10 times sound so much especially since ps3 is 40 times more powerful than ps2, and the gap between is 5-6 years and not 7+ years. Damn... well I hope they give us beefy specs. Something a couple notches below GTX 690(or 790 if coming later) should be possible though, not sayin thats going to happen, but the RSX and Xenos happened to be about as beefy as they come and one can only hope right?
PS3 = approximately 400Gflops (GPU + CPU) GTX680 = 3000Gflops So GTX680 is about 7.5x more powerful than ps4 in papers.
hmm......... http://www.pcper.com/review... AMD Kabini Dual core APU features GCN comparable to AMD 7700 series and Jaguar cores. AMD 7750 = 921.6 Gigaflops 2 x 921.6 = 1843 Gigaflops 8 core CPU with Dual core pairs of Jaguar cores in PS4. 4 x 921.6 = 3686 Gigaflops or 3.69 Tflops hmm...Divided by 355 = 10.384 times as powerful as Xbox 360. Number of chips so far = 4 if truely 4 Dual core APUs. If not could be some other arrangement, but hey its not impossible.
And that's not taking into account HSA abilities of the new hardware. And tools more geared toward multi-core and HSA programming. Most people forget that multi-core was very new when the current consoles were released. And HSA was still just a goal believed to ready further down the line. Closer to 2020.
As said by Nvidia; for twice the graphics you need ten times the power. So that part isn't unlikely, a release in June however...
Breaking news!!!! My uncle who works at Sony said he knows a guy that knows a kid that said the ps4 and ps5 will launch tomorrow and the controller will have a 46 inch touchscreen and cost $1mil !!! Seriously I think anyone will write a "article" on a popular topic these days just to gets hits regardless how logical it sounds or not. And most theories come straight out of the author's ass. The logical thing would be to just simply wait till the 20th and let Sony announce it themselves instead of writing baseless rumors to stir ppl up.
Lol 46 inch touch screen.. Haha just imagine that. Some dude with his arms stretched out holding on to this massive controller, touching it in stuff. Hahaha your funny
people please dont believe this, the daily newspaper the guy is on about is the sun, and they always chat a load of dog shit
I admire your beard. It looks very strong for a newborn.
This article is cute. The Sun thinks it knows what it's talking about. I'll wait for the real info from Sony.
Most Sun readers would assume that the technology found in the PS4 to produce the graphics it will is a result of years of research done on the bodies of the aliens recovered in Roswell New Mexico in 1947...
In reality... it was really based on the technology from their homeworld...
lol Lmao Roflmbjao
I can sort of believe the PS4 part but why would Microsoft miss the holiday sales. This is fake.
Sage satun...........just saying lol!
Lol. ...that was just too funny. I am reading down all the stats / specs for the PS4 rumors and its all in line with what we've heard then boom "xbox launching June 2013". Its like 99% Sony and oh yeah this xbox rumor too.