So we know that Sony will reveal the PlayStation 4 at PS Meeting 2013.
time third parties don't have the excuse of hard-to-program tech to hide behind if they try to sell us poor ports should they have the thick skin to try to...
I don't think there will be many poor ports with PS4/Xbox 720.
I don't claim to be an expert on such dealings, but it would seem that if hardware on both is the same (both rumored to have some AMD chipset) than it comes down to a similar API implementation. This means, middleware and multiconsole development studios could cut off the fat and make games faster, better, and under budget. (Again, this is hypothetically speaking.)
I hope not. And Bethesda, if you are listening: New Console means the slate is wiped clean. Use the PS4 as your primary and then port. Why not have a ton of happy gamers instead of a divided following.
Talking as a software developer -not in the gaming industry, but the idea behind programming is the same- the architecture 9based on the current rumours) will be the same x86 or x64 architecture. This means "porting" from one console to another and even from PC/Mac/Linux to a console will be debatable easy. Question is however the graphics programming API behind it. Microsoft in the 360 promoted their XNA API for arcade games and DirectX-like for everything else, while Sony uses their own API for PS4. Moving to a PC-like architecture will allow them to adopt OpenGL or DirectX. Sony most likely will go with OpenGL and this will help developers to program and port games from PC to PS4 and vice versa. Now Microsoft is the one that troubles me. They are used to ditching industry standards to promote their own -just last week they said no to WebRTC in favour of their own similar solution. Thus I guess they will go with their DirectX route to promote Windows 8 gaming as well... If MS goes with their own solution, we will see crappy port until some work-arounds are found... but even then I doubt it will much of a difference. Personal note: I am doing parallel programming in CUDA with OpenGl and it is "easy" once you learn it.
@Athonline : Sony did in fact have an OpenGL implementation for PS3 (I believe they supported all of OpenGL ES). It just wasn't all that useful for most studios, AFAIK.
@Shadowstar Sony used a semi stripped, tweaked & customized OpenGL 1.0 based API PSGL that uses libGCM. I wouldn't count OpenGL 1.0, a really old version, especially a customised version of it as OpenGL. It uses features, not the entire library of OpenGL ES, which again is a customised version of OpenGL, tuned for embedded devices and not PC architecture... at least this is what I was told from some friends in the industry. The differences in the syntax are minimum, OpenGL ES is actually more "lightweight" than OpenGL 1.0, but they are there. We developers are lazy, we believe and workship the DRY manifest (Do-not Repeat Your Self -aka do not write the same code twice) at such extremes, we just "copy"/"paste&q uot; code snippets and hope it works. With this in mind it was "expected" for developers to mess things when porting from one standard to another.
This explains the announcement of a battlefield 4 reveal during this month
Battlefield 4 on ps4? Ah man I'm completely against the annualization of these games but I think i'd be all over that this xmas.
Maybe also the reason gta v has been put back till september.
all this is very exiting.... so many good stuff coming... I feel like a 9 year old again, waiting for a present.. lol
3rd party, ok , but how about slipping in some... Dream mode on! Show me that new Media molecule Ip for the PS4 and while I am still dreaming, "The last guardian and Naughty dog's new PS4 IP (uncharted 4?)...Oh yah and that new Kojima game (what's it called ,cough cough) and Killzone PS4 and there 'other new Ip and how about some Gt6, and......then I woke up. Well I hope for something special anyways, I cannot wait to see the future...
Yes, it's going to be interesting to see the response. The usual excuse from devs is that it's difficult to program for and the usual response to why 1st party games are much better than 3rd party games, is that Sony devs can cater exclusively for the Ps3. So, these devs and these dissenters are going to have no room for manoeuvre. Devs better equal Sony studios or the cat will be out of the bag. I'm almost convinced that 3rd party efforts on BOTH consoles won't look any better initially than the 1st party games coming for the PS3 this year. We'll see ... I could be wrong--I hope I'm wrong, but if they're NOT, all hell will break loose amongst Sony fans. It's time for devs to put up or shut up and show us what they can do with a more unified user-base. No more excuses, no more complaints, just get on with it.
Sony got plenty of first party games coming exclusively only for the PS4..Third party developers have no excuse to port any crappy games to any of the console..since its easy to program on the ps4 and the next xbox...The only games that will show great graphics will be the PS4 exclusive games..or the developers will take advantage of the ps4 hardware and port it to the next xbox
The most anticipated title for me is Gran Turismo 6 :'D
Why are people disagreeing with "his" most anticipated title?
@Genuine-User Didn't you know? Your opinion isn't your opinion on the internet. Anytime you make mention of anything you like or don't like, you're trying to shove your opinion down other peoples throats. This post is meant as a joke reply, but it's not really so much of a joke as often as people get attacked for stating their opinions.
I hit disagree because my most anticipated for ps4 is not GT6
I doubt they will show third party at the meeting. Most likely we'll get a few feature demos (Like the rubber duck was used to show liquid physics) and first party demos, like GT for example. The games will be saved for E3 when they can just assault us with games and pricing and launch date. The meeting will be mainly to show the hardware and a few capabilities. Well thats what i think if i'm being realistic and not going overboard like some are.
You do know that this is mostly for investors. That is why Sony is calling out for em. So it will definitely show third party support to get people to invest in the company more.. that will be key. It most likely wont be too specific on things, that will most likely be e3 but it will most definitely touch on the support it will get as well as improvements and how to attract consumers. Thats how it was when I went to the ps3 meeting, so im expecting the same
It's strange to still be blaming developers when Sony has changed their direction and admitted the Cell architecture was a mistake. Strange, but not unexpected.
i trust in sony, no doubt theyre gonna impress us.
Kat :) ...uh ..right back to the subject at hand. Third party support is good. The Wii had a lot of that. So lets say if Sony were to take all of that support from them and they didnt have as many..would you all see that as a good or bad thing? Maybe it's both? They get more support but as long as they keep up their quality they are good. Only bad thing I can think of is some people would focus on Sony having a TON of third party games even though they have a TON of quality exclusives. What do you think? Or am I just confusing myself.
i want a new socom.
Zipper is history though.
@Sandmano Yeah but they stated that they can not let SOCOM series die, maybe sometime..... somehow... (it'd be a shame if they someone like Activision, EA, etc, make the new game from it thou )
I hope, The Witcher 3 coming ps4.
i would kill for the witcher 1,2 and 3 on ps4!
How about some new IP'S eh?
Man, The Witcher series only on PC. Ok, W2 360, but this game awesome and complex. Many only for AAA console game its a joke and simple. W3 incoming! "RED Engine 3 is a revolution in RPGs" http://www.neogaf.com/forum... This is a GAME, not corridor shooter.
No more current gen buying for me. From now till launch, all my time and money will be for the ps4's launch day. I know there's a few good games left to come out but too excited for the new stuff. PS4, 3 or 4 launch games and an extra controller. Hurry up Sony, I honestly can't contain my excitement much longer for this thing.
I will continue to support Sony and the PS3 until the PS4 launches. We still have great exclusive games coming! It sounds like Sony has just blown up recently! They're coming full force this time and they're bringing it big as it gets. Can't freaking wait to see yet PS4 and all the 3rd party games but most importantly the major AAA 1st party games.
You're not playing The Last of Us or Beyond when they come out? I don't think I have that kind of strength.
My fiancé will get the last of us for her ps3 while I plan our ps4 launch purchase :D We're both just excited as hell and love Playstation. :)
@shonen_82 Haha nice, that game is going to be amazing. Here's how big of a nerd I am... I started pricing out tents for the PS4 launch.
Your going to camp out just to give Sony $600? I'm getting a ps4 too but only when it gets a decent price cut. You must work two jobs or somethin...
@LiquidSword93 Well, I've already started saving for the PS4, and if I didn't have to dip into that fund to buy a new laptop last weekend, I'd be good to go. Just one job for me, enough for bills, groceries and my video game addiction.
GTA V is all I truly want now.
You will buy current gen and love current gen, forget about future gen.
they got the last of us, beyond 2 souls, and the new god of war game coming out this year..i suggest you keep gaming with the ps3 and save money at the same time
I'm still getting The Last of Us and Beyond Metal Gear whatever is next gen, GTA5 will probably have a next gen better looking version on the multiplats side Bioshock Infinite willend up on the top five for this gen if it fulfills what it promises other than that maybe Crysis 3 and Tomb Raider and that's pretty much it for this gen to recap: -Bioshock Infinite -Tomb Raider -The Last of Us -Beyond Two Souls and then into the next gen we go edit: on second thought Beyond might end up on the PS4 too
I'm kind of in the same boat, however I'm waiting more of a release date for the PS4 so I know how to budget my $ in time for the PS4 instead of getting broke then having to wait.
"No more current gen buying for me" I wish I could say the same. I pre-ordered Dead Space 3, GTA5, Last of US, Metro Last Light and Bioshock:Infinite. But I'll probably just pick up Metro, LoU and Bioshock.
i'll rent last of us and god of war the last console games i played were uncharted 3, halo 4 and gears 3 since then, i don't know, killzone 3 and halo reach pc has been drawing me in deeper and deeper with steam deals, amazingly better grapihcs and performance and way cheaper games i am really looking forward to ps4 and nextbox to draw me back to the consoles, i do love my consoles, i own ps3/ps2/ps1/wii/gamecube/n64/n ew/snes/xbox1/xbox360/ds/psp/ga mebooy advance sp/genisis but honestly they are all boxed up except my ps3 for exclusives and bluray, i can play every otther gen of consoles on pc, including wii, it all looks so much better in 1080p with massive anti aliasing cannot wait for great console exclusives to get close to pc llevel graphics already got some cash set aside for both ps4 and nextbox, cannot wait, i hope one of them launches this summer!
I hope Sony still consider Dark Cloud 3, Wild Arms 6, or Legend of Dragoon 2 on PS4. Not to mention some old title that sony must revive it such as Omega Boost. Imagine Omega Boost 2 and Legend of Dragoon 2 with Uncharted / GT 5 graphic >.<
Legend of Freakin' Dragoon. Yes.
My most difficult decision when it comes to buying the PS4 will be which one of my tv's to hook it up to lol. My poor 50 inch Samsung is on the receiving end of all of my other consoles and pc....ahh decisions decisions
haha i have the same problem!! My brother and I are saving up for a wii u(and i guess the ps4 pretty soon as well, that is if it comes out this year :P) and we have no idea where to put it.
they should just release it on the 20th man cmon
My game list, not only third party. Killzone 4 Gran Turismo 6 The Witcher 3 CoD MW4 DooM 4 Cyberpunk 2077 Jak and Daxter 4 Metal Gear Solid Ground Zeroes New awesome IP Guerrilla Games and Naughty Dog (Not TPS). Final Fantasy Versus XIII Square, Konami, PlatinumGames new exklusive IP.
ah! a Jak and Daxter fan :)
It's going to awesome if battlefield 4 comes as Ps4 launch title!!
EA said that BF4 will be revealed in about 90 days.
With sony releasing the PS4 this chrismas along with BF4 and a COD for PS4 will be great for sony.
ps4 for life
Native support for K&M for PS4 with BF4 at lauch would be super and Uncharted 4 as the cherry on top.
have to agree, for any FPS game controllers suck. Native keyboard and mouse support would be good for those who play console fps, i prefer PC for those.
YESSS! im utter trash at shooters on the ps3 because the sensitivity is either too much or too little. but with M&K its a lot easier for me to control and play, though im no pro even with M&K shooters are a lot more enjoyable because i actually get kills instead of just being free points for the other team
At least, Sony knows that 3rd parties will make games on PS4 :) (on Xbox 3 too) We know that there are many games on next-gen !
Sony!!!! Show us the future! :) I so want them to turn the company around, I have alot of trust in Kaz Hirai. Since being there, he has trimmed alot of the fat. Goodluck Sony, kick the competition in the nuts!
The PS4 should have a news forum inbuilt in and displayed on its menu screen, with it - it would allow gamers to discuss topics relating to game news. Such topics would be news and information on multiplate games that are coming out and exclusives silmilar to N4G.com. Players could speak to one another over mics or party chat on things related to gaming or things in general. It would be a good way to gain tips for released games but also general information. Plus troll could be booted out of conversations on topics
So basically u want miiverse on ps4
Whats miiverse? PM me as i dont have enough bubbles to comment
I plan to get a PS4 If The online is free (Most likely) It has BC (Not a deal breaker if it doesn't I do have a PS3) It plays used games(It most likely will) So far I plan to get it to accompany my Wii U
Wii U is the 'Fisher Price' of video games consoles. It's already losing momentum, and will only make matters worse for Nintendo when the PS4/720 news heats up. I'm afraid the Wii U is a dead duck in the water and will only cater to 'Nintendo Die hards'. Sales aside (casuals don't support the games industry, the hardcore does), Nintendo has been irrelevant since N64. I liken Nintendo to that TV show 'Friends' ....Re-runs, re-runs...but nothing new.
I disagree with you man, but hey if you don't like Nintendo that's just your opinion and I respect that. I know that no matter what Nintendo does you'll never like them again. I'll continue to support Nintendo and Sony because they give me great gaming experiences. When I get my Wii U and PS4 they'll comfortably sit side by side, just like my Wii and PS3.
Maybe to you it is but there are going to be a lot of games coming out for Wii U that I want. If third parties give lame excuses as to why a game isn't on Wii U I won't buy their game. All I will need is 1st party exclusives from Sony and Nintendo.
lol what? I'm no fan of the wii but you do realize that the wii destroyed the xbox and ps3 in sales. if anything its the casuals that keep the game industry going(but they're also the ones killing it as well, ironically). if the causal were so irrelevant as you think why do so many developers simplify their games to appeal to the casuals?
Sony PS4 seems to be positioning itself as the 'PS2' of video games consoles next gen... I think the hard slog PS3 initially had was a bitter pill for Sony to swallow and is a lesson learnt for Sony....I expect Sony to be the leader next gen. However....Microsoft are yet to reveal anything regarding Xbox. Here's hoping the recent 360 1st party drought is down to MS getting its next gen act together. But Sony have really surprised me over the last 2 years...Sony are back and badder than ever... I currently play both 360/PS3 and have room for only 1 next console next gen, and am interested to see how it all plays out later this year. The only thing that could deter me from PS4/720 is if Sony/MS Backwards Compatability is non existent on all levels e.g. I at least expect all my PSN/Live games that I paid for to be transferable to the PS4/720. Not so much disc based, but digital at the very least!! Your move MS!