The Japanese electronics company has been hit with a string of embarrassments that have dented its reputation for quality.
I'm still waiting for the stock to fall all the way down. It's at 37 and still going down.
Its 37, wow! I remember when it was 330, talk about slip 'n slide!
Um its called "splits", you should look it up! When stocks split they their prices and cut in half or more! Sony has done it at least twice since 1985. Though the stock is down from the 40's where it has been all year. The battery reports really started to hurt it as more companies started issuing recalls on those batteries. But that's how Wall St. works
Once the stock was on 120... Imagine that. A company in problems I smell
Well once Microsoft's stock was at 60, but now it's well below 30 if my memory serves me right. MART, you're no business analyst; you're not a stockbroker. You don't know what you're talking about.
Ah and you do? Man you don't even know what I do in stock and what not. Let's say this. Yeah the shares of both companies had an old time high around the year 2000. Sony's stock even was worth 160 dollar once. MS at that time 60 dollars indeed. But falling from 160 to less then 40, or from 60 to around 30 that's a whole other story. Sony's share has 25% of it's original value back then, MS still has 50%. You want to have info about how they're doing my friend? Here you are: Sony: Financial HighlightsSales 64.40 Bil Income 1.36 Bil Net Profit Margin 1.80% Return on Equity 5.34% Debt/Equity Ratio 0.36 Revenue/Share 59.90 Earnings/Share 1.36 Book Value/Share 26.65 Dividend Rate 0.21 Payout Ratio 15.00% Microsoft Financial HighlightsSales 44.28 Bil Income 12.60 Bil Net Profit Margin 28.45% Return on Equity 28.56% Debt/Equity Ratio 0.00 Revenue/Share 4.21 Earnings/Share 1.20 Book Value/Share 3.99 Dividend Rate 0.40 Payout Ratio 29.00% Now there you go. Satisfied? Also knowing that Sony is loosing about 600 million dollars every quarter already for years now? Just took a multimillion dollar bank loan for the first time in 10 years because they couldn't finance the PS3 adventure and the BR gamble? Do you? I know more about it all then you will ever know mate
I know that if Sony was "loosing" [sic] money every quarter that financial statement wouldn't show a profit of any kind. I made no claims to be any sort of business analyst, all I said was that you are definitely not one. You're just an idiot fanboy. Get over yourself, go play your 360, and stop with this all of this pointless hating that you do.
Did I ever say I was a stockbroker? But I do have some insight in it actually. Did or didn't I was right that Sony is a company in distress? The company is having problems never seen before AND: BluRay as well as PS3 are both big gambles. The biggest gamble is having BluRay IN the PS3. That's gamble on gamble. If both turn out to not bring up what they predicted (and loosing another massive 3 billion dollars on every 10 million PS3's sold and yes I know they have to make it up by selling games and so, but still they have to invest first. And you know the attach rate of the original PS2? 1.9 games per console at launch? 360 had 4.5 games per console at launch? See what I mean?), Sony is not doing well. If they ever were on the edge of a cliff, it's today. And you'll agree. If not, you're just plain dumb
Do you even read your comments? "Did or didn't I was right that Sony is a company in distress?"....What? First: "The company is having problems never seen before" There have been recalls before, recalls that were much more detrimental to business, in fact. Remember Bridgestone-Firestone? They had to recall millions of tires that KILLED people. And yet, somehow their company survived? And they're company's not even nearly as diverse as Sony; they make tires that's it. So, for some reason, I don't understand your recall=inevitable collapse point. I also don't agree with you that the ps3 is a gamble. It has an enormous prior install base, and if half of them return to the playstation brand then Sony will be perfectly fine. Also, bluray in the ps3 isn't really a gamble. Even if bluray isn't adopted it's not like it suddenly makes it worthless. It's still a GAME console, that can play GAMES and the format wouldn't make a difference. Sony makes money on every game sold for the ps3, and on every bluray disc sold. Also, the ps2 and 360 launch attach rate depends on the games not the hardware. The ps2 is generally regarded as having a very weak launch lineup, while the 360 had a fairly strong launch lineup. Wait until November to draw conclusions about ps3 software sales, MART. So I don't really agree with your premise, MART, that Sony is teetering on the edge of a precipice, ready to plummet to their bankruptcy. I just don't see that happening here.
developers will lose half of their incentive to release and optimize games for the PS3. The real problem with Blu-ray for gaming is that PS3 will lose half the titles that could be released if PS3 was around $400. Kissing off 1000 to 2000 game titles is a problem even for those who can scrape up $600.
People if you look at the companies stock (Sony's and MS's) they are both flat/sideways (or if you prefer, in a "trading range") since 2001! So both companies have been performing on par stock wise with each other. The Sony stock is more volatile than the MS stock, but that also makes the MS stock more boring. If you want a very slow moving, but fairly safe stock than go with MS, but dont expect to make much money fast. If you want a stock that could yield you more money, but is also potentially more risky than go with Sony's. But that's how stocks usually work. If you go with the safer stock than you tend to make less money. If you go with the riskier stock, then you then to usually make more. MS is basically a monopoly too, in its field, where it virtually has no competiton and controls its field. Whereas Sony does not! they have real competitors. So of course Sony is in a more volatile situation. But MS can also get hurt too. Just look at the last earnings report where MS dropped from $27-29 to $23, and has since slow clibed back up there (to $27, but mind you has taken about 3 months), because of the loss of money from the XBOX360. Yes thats right, because of the XBOX360. Remember that these companies sell you these systems at a loss, and the more they sell the more they are losing, but they make up the loss through the sale of games. But they still reported a loss and said it was due to the cost of producing the XBOX360. So I guess that they werent able to sell enough games to make up for the loss on the system.
I remember going to GameStop, I went with my friend because we saw a rare PS1 game we wanted to buy. ''And I played it before and it ROCKS!'' ''Valkyrie Profile'' And when I showed the cashier the case of the VP, he said ''Dude, that game sucks! Get an X Box with Halo! Are u gonna buy that crappy PS1 game?'' The thing is my friend had ALREADY owned an X Box with Halo and he got bored from it and pawned it at a pawnshop. So my friend took the dude's word for it and returned the game. After we exited GameStop. I told my friend ''Why the f*** did he listened to him?! I told my friend that I had played the game for myself and that the guy was BSing him! So my friend went back in there and bought the game. After we were leaving, the guy was whispering stuff behind our backs sa that we are complete morons for buying a PS1 game? That I have played and enjoyed? My friend was angry at them for trying to FORCE products that my friend does NOT have enough money for and does NOT have any interest in. And all of this happened in 2 years ago which was in 2004! And this was before I knew about fanboyism. I never knew about fanboyism at that time. You see we Sony fans may defend and say our product's better, but atleast we don't try to FORCE people to buy it. We don't go in a store and tell someone, dude that 360 game SUCKS! And this is TRUTH!
That's the key word! They will always try to sell you something that costs more no matter what it is. If you walk into a store to buy a max $20 game from years ago of course he will try to convince you that you are dumb and should buy a whole new system for one higher priced game. That is his job! Go to Best Buy if you don't want that!
I can't wait for my PS3, but for real ... that picture IS FRIGGEN' AWSOME !! Hahahahahahahahahahaha
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I voted Cool. Not because I'm a Sony hater (I am, but follow me), but because this is a time for accountability. Is it really NEW that Sony is screwing up? -Betamax -UMD -PSX Media Center Console (most people don't remember that one at all!) -PSP problems during shipping (dead pixels abounding, offset X buttons, flying UMDs...) -PS1 had some terrible disc drive issues. -The new scandal with burning laptop batteries. It's time for Sony to wake up and smell the coffee- they're going to lose their coveted status as the #1 brand in the world (according to many opinion polls), and they're going to go downhill hard when it happens. And that's not all! The battery recalls are costing the company millions, PS3 price cuts are costing million in ADDITION TO a projected multi-billion-dollar initial loss on PS3 (from manufacturing to advertising). And Sony's already had a lot of earnings problems meaning it can't take these shortfalls as easily as it once could- the company had to take a loan from investors just to MAKE the PS3! Wake up, Sony! The world misses your dedication to excellence. We really do want to see you get over this. And fire Kutaragi. He's an ass. -"PS3 will ship in Spring 2006." -"Ps3 is ready. I can ship PS3 anytime I want!" (a month before revealing the delay to Winter 06) -"PS3 will be in 4d." -"All PS3 games will be in 1080p at 120fps." -"There is no difference in features between the 20GB and 60GB models." -"PS3 is a personal computer." ....etc....
You forgot the International DRM scandal and the law suit that followed.
Man, Sony as of right now, cause of no announcements to answers that gamers want to know of about PS3, they keep post-poning the Launch, they keep showing CGI videos instead of real in-game footage (except for very few who are shoeing in game right now), losing game developers, losing a lot of fanbase, and the price, SONY AND THE PS3 is not only taking hits, they are totally in the sh!ter, and the only way to get out is to stop BullSh!ting and tell the gamers what they want to know and see. But still, im still getting PS3, just cause of the Technology and the Games. But im saying this from a person who may not be able to afford it or really hate Sony right now, Sony is really in the SH!TER.
the article made a point i didn't think of before. i paid little attention to the overheating problem Sony had at the tokyo game show but... this article said that the playstations acted up and had to be reset probably due to over-heating because of the high temp. of the venue although M$ and nintendo had playable units too. in other words, if the over heating was due to the temp. @ the game show, how come M$ and Nintendo did not suffer similar fates?
Because of the crowds of people. People sweat and esp. in an enclosed building, the more people around an area, the more they start to sweat. Now the big thing everyone went to TGS for was to play PS3 and experience it 1st hand. And because people sweat and cause a lot of heat, and almost everyone was around the PS3 area, the temperatures in the PS3 area were most likely a lot hotter than those in the M$ and Nintendo (although nintendo wasnt there). And also cause with the PS3's being on 24/7 and people playing them non-stop, with long line-ups to try one particular game, they could have overheated, and also cause the PS3s they used were one of the 1st 200 ever made, so now that theyve had this, and looked at all the over-heating issues and all the PS3's problems, they can now successfully go on and start production, knowing what they have to do to get them working properly. basically TGS was a lesson for them, onto how to improve the performance of the PS3. But I still think they overheated just cause of being on to long and because its a new technology, obv. there will be some that over-heat or dont function right. Look at 360. i think it was about 60% of all 360s made for launch were malfunctioning. Ive had 1 360 overheat, but i just got a new one for free. But overheating is an issue that every console has, so just as long as you have a warranty, then your alright.
hyper i thought you had to pay 150 bucks for a new one.
but im gald i payed it, cause a) I got a brand new 360 and havent had any probelms with ir or anything, b) they issued me another one, so if it breaks down again before Dec.31, i get another one free and c) I won mine in that Pepsi Contest (1 every hour of evry day), so 130 isnt much. So yea i am disappointed that it happend to me in the 1st place, but with games like Gears, COD3, Lost Planet and Mass Effect, im glad i have one and cant wait for those games.
oh i was just wondering. yea i cant wait for those games either
dude,that was funny!
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It feels like Sony is doing every thing they can to stay above water. I hope the internal batteries in the joystick are safe too. A recall is never a good thing. That means they have had more than a few isolated problems. I remember last winter there was rumors of the 360 being recalled like this because of heat problem. I remember this very well because a guy at my job was smiling really big when he told me. He said "Have you herd a bout the 360 recall? ; ^ ) I heard M$ made a piece of crap!!" And he knew I was a 1 every 10 min. winner. Every one at work did. I wonder what he thinks now.
60% of 360's over heated? Wow are we on the same planet? That is an extreme exaggeration. For a console to over heat due to body temperatures in an arena. Come on lets be real hear. If you have ever been to a car show, sports dome or convention center or arena you would know they do not get hot like night clubs dude. I really do not want anything else bad to happen but it do see another delay coming on. But I really hope not.
You sound like a 360 fanboy, so im gonna say you have a 360. and for you not to know that there was at least half of all the consoles made for launch, went overheated, then you must be on a diff., planet. Man, i bought mine on Launch day, and it just overheated this past September. And If you think because it was 2005 made, your wrong. One of my friends had his overheat. So he got one back made in 02-2006. That onw overheated on him. Then he got another one, made in 05-2006, and it just overheated on him yesterday. So they still, even 1 year after production, still overheat. And um im just gonna say that youve never been to an E3 or TGS or any gaming convention. Because if you step inside, an enclosed area, with nothing going on, besides ppl pushing buttons a controller, moving around from game to game, and waiting in line-ups, it tends to get hot in there. Why do you think they have cola machines like every hall you go down, in La at E3. Cause it gets hot in there, and with no high powered cooling fans in there, it will get hot. But i was using ppls heat as an example of a reason why a PS3 may overheat, i knew it was because of the tech. And yea, i hope PS3 doesnt get delayed again, cause not only will i not get one, but it will have no body supporting it ever again. Except for the hardcore fanboys.
why is it hard to buy that 60% of 360's have overheated? Microsoft just issued extended warranties for all 360's manufactured before 2006. they wouldn't have done that it there wasn't any persistent problems
60% overheating? Bull. Link please! Only because your friend and yours broke down? Maybe the conditions weren't good, too close to radiator, build in or just bad luck. Always those non funded numbers giving, that's not the way a journalist would do it Hyper
These kind of news belong to somewhere else than in gaming news. Last I saw the same person reporting about Sony stock price drop. Now who the hell needs that kinda information over here? Please stick with the games and take your anti-whatever campaign elsewhere.
Yea i did over state that the defective consoles for 360 was 60%, it is more likely around 4-6% and i just got one of the unlucky 10000 systems that were malfunctioned. And yea i know ppl and heat wont burn out or over heat a console, but if uve ever been at a gaming convention at E3 or TGS, as soon as you walk in, its like wayy above than what your used to living at (temp. wise). So i apologize for making wrond accusations about the 360, and i dont even know why id did it( prolly cause i still cant get over why i got one of the malfunctioned 360's). But im also upset cause some guys on here think PS3 is crap, and they keep putting down every piece of good news that comes along(this isnt one) and it just irritates me. It was just like this time last year, when all sony fanboys did was put down the 360, when it wasnt a bad console. So if i go on my tuition, i think that if last year is any indication, i dont care what ppl say or BS about on this site, cause no one will change my ming about egtting a PS3, just like the sony boys tried to do last year and told me not to buy a 360. Not Going To Happen.
Well I kind of see were you are coming from and since im a gamer and love 360 I have know problem sharing my own experience with the xbox console! Whenever the Saint Rows demo was released, my 360 on a couple of occasions got 2 flashing red lights and I had to restart my system! Now as of XO6 I downloaded the Sonic demo and was playing it and got 3 flashing red lights! Im just glad MS extended the warranty, but im a little upset that I had to call a second time recieve a box after they told me to call back after a week if I didn't recieve one and still have not recieved a box! Im going to miss Splinter Cell at launch and maybe even GOW over this stupid issue I feel I shouldn't have to be going through! The funny thing is that last generation my other Xbox broke and I vowed never to buy a launch console again but did so anyway with the 360! Now can anyone here tell me if they know just how long it will take MS to send back my 360 after they pick it up and will they send a new one or just fix the old one? They told me to keep my hdd and faceplate and now im thinking on just trying to get my money back and buy a new one because I had similar problems a few years back with 3 of my Phoenix Gold Titanium 600 amps and kept having to send them back after they kept going out just like my 360 did! I really do wonder if they will refund me even though I purchased a launch console so I can get back to gaming? As far as PS3 goes I do believe that they will have lots of problems in the begining and I would advise anyone to hold off until the 2nd and 3rd batches arrive unless they to want to be test dummies like myself!
The financial well-being of Sony is extremely important news if you are one of the people that are planning to purchase a ps3. Here are some of the more important reasons, if Sony is in financial peril: -they will try and shave every cent off of their product in order to return to profit. I don't think I need to spell out what happens when you use cheap parts... the weakest link and all that. -they will be less likely to honour/make it very difficult to process a warranty claim. This becomes self feeding when combined with cheap parts and Sony already has a less than stellar rep in this area... -they will have smaller price cuts and/or longer times between price cuts for consoles, accessories and first party titles. -they will cut funding for projects. Things like quality control, online services and first party development will have to do more with less which always compromises the product. -they will have less freedom to offer financial incentive and/or technical support to third parties meaning less exclusives and/or more competitor exclusives and/or lower quality on cross-platform titles. -they will be highly tempted to 'dip into the pot' when pricing accessories. The potential for a negative cycle is compounded in each factor. Lower adoption rate, less games, poor services, lower quality, more defects etc. I honestly can't think of anything worse than financial difficulty for a company and if you are thinking about buying a ps3 then you should be VERY concerned and nervous about this type of news.
..basing your gaming's future on financial status of the manufacturing companies makes your life pretty difficult. No one of us possesses the skills and knowledge to really make any assumptions, even the professionals get surprised many times. All we see are the headlines and hypes, the real information is somewhere out there. But it's interesting to hype things of course. Just don't get too serious with it.
come on girls dont fight over something u not spending any dollar on.Atleast by November and end of 2006 the reputation shall be restored thanks to my dear ps3.
"TheMART - 58 Minutes ago | Let him/her speak 60% overheating? Bull. Link please! Only because your friend and yours broke down? Maybe the conditions weren't good, too close to radiator, build in or just bad luck. Always those non funded numbers giving, that's not the way a journalist would do it Hyper Always those non funded numbers giving, that's not the way a journalist would do it Hyper" You want a link? Here it is ;-) http://gear.ign.com/article... "As we discussed, we do not have a single launch unit that still works, and have long wondered how Microsoft could be ignoring the issue of 360 hardware failure in the face of an epidemic of failure." Did you read it? IGN doesn't have even one launch unit that's still workin and you can be sure that such a big site like IGN has plenty of 360's. So Hyperbear wasn't overstating and I wouldn't wonder if he was understating. 2%-6% isn't epidemic of failure ;-) Truth was enforced.
a group of writers that probably had 10 units between them. you proved your point.
they had 20 units.
atleast MS acknowledge its problems, an did something to fix them, longer warrenty, refunding repair charges.unlike sony who had to be sued to take responsibility for there faulty disk drives, an those WERNT JUST LAUNCH problems.I bought 3 ps2s well 4, 1 for my daugther last x-mas which i still have an havent had any problems but the other 3 big ones that I had for myself keep going out!!an I had to pay for those.there was no refund an no extended warrenty. I like both companys but when people blast MS an says the PS3 is way better an its online is gonna be better an the xbox360 is like the dreamcast is just stupid. nobody knows whats the PS3 is going to do or whats going to happen so I feel until that thing launches nobody knows how good or bad its gonna be!!!
...cause it's an epidemic of failure. PS2 didn't have as many failures as 360 has now. I also wonder how companies are screwing you americans, in Europe everything has 1-2 years warranty. 90 days warranty, this must be a bad joke.
Oh yeah PS2 didn't have many failures, right! The DVD drive was breaking down almost instantly on every model man. All the people I know with a PS2 and mine also got the drive to not read discs anymore after a year or two max. And yeah the European law is a good one, enforcing producers to give at least 2 years of warranty. But, in USA you can buy it with the product. Someone not doing that with high end products is not so smart... ps you need to give better links with a survey on at least 200+ persons to give empirical outcomes of the research. Or mass observations. This is just plain stupid stuff. All people I know with a 360 for example didn't have any overheating problems. And I know a lot I can assure you
Neither me or anyone I know had any problems with PS2. Sounds like overheated opinions to me.
Any link stating the PS2 DVD drive was breaking down almost instantly on every model? Without facts your claims are just worthless. My PS2 works fine and from all people I know only 1 had a problem.
OK, Kid... seriously can you even attempt to make completely unbiased comments? Do you even realize that over 53.5% polls/statistics are complete fabrication? (boggle that one.) You'll defend Xbox360 as being the holy grail of you're little world, and that’s fine. What wrong with seeing PlayStation brand ACTUALLY you know, be successful? Blu-Ray, it's an Next-generation format and developers actually like it (HA, so don't cut Sony as just saying 'It's only for the $') Let's... take a gander at the stock rankings... Microsoft ranks No. 140 on FORTUNE's 2006 Global 500 Sony Corporation ranks No. 65 on FORTUNE's 2006 Global 500 I guess money doesn't make the difference? Last note, please don't say Xbox 360 is just the same by AI, Graphics, etc... So was last gen and Xbox(1) came a year later and was more powerful and they were still comparable.
The ps3 may be coming out a year later but the Graphics Processor design was finalized waaaay back in summer 2005, before the 360's GPU btw. The PS3 would have been able to launch at the same time as the 360 if they had used DVD.
I never had my playstations f-up on me, but my 350 dollor Sony camcorder i bought a year and a half ago just did.
Well I had a similar experience here in Houston where the guy at Game Crazy talked down on Xbox so bad when I purchased Halo1! As a matter a fact he even went on to say that no one is going to support them and they won't have any exclusive titles and every game for Xbox will be on PS2 so he would never by an Xbox! I even remember talking about my dreamcast to an old manager of minds and him telling me just how great Sony is and how I should get a PS2 because Sony's the greatest thing ever and there making a disc that can store all the information in the world on it! Now this all happened before xbox came out with my boss and before Live so it was quite some time ago! So what im trying to say is there are fanboys everywhere trying to promote there favorite console of choice! You shouldn't take things so personal and let up some because there are and always will be good games for both systems! The worst kind of fanboy is the ignorant type!
Well I kind of see were you are coming from and since im a gamer and love 360 I have know problem sharing my own experience with the xbox console! Whenever the Saint Rows demo was released, my 360 on a couple of occasions got 2 flashing red lights and I had to restart my system! Now as of XO6 I downloaded the Sonic demo and was playing it and got 3 flashing red lights! Im just glad MS extended the warranty, but im a little upset that I had to call a second time recieve a box after they told me to call back after a week if I didn't recieve one and still have not recieved a box! Im going to miss Splinter Cell at launch and maybe even GOW over this stupid issue I feel I shouldn't have to be going through! The funny thing is that last generation my other Xbox broke and I vowed never to buy a launch console again but did so anyway with the 360! Now can anyone here tell me if they know just how long it will take MS to send back my 360 after they pick it up and will they send a new one or just fix the old one? They told me to keep my hdd and faceplate and now im thinking on just trying to get my money back and buy a new one because I had similar problems a few years back with 3 of my Phoenix Gold Titanium 600 amps and kept having to send them back after they kept going out just like my 360 did! I really do wonder if they will refund me even though I purchased a launch console so I can get back to gaming? As far as PS3 goes I do believe that they will have lots of problems in the begining and I would advise anyone to hold off until the 2nd and 3rd batches arrive unless they to want to be test dummies like myself! Sorry for the 2nd post by the way!
I've read from numerous accounts that they don't actually fix the system. They just send you brand new one (people kept track of the serial numbers when they sent their systems in). The Game Crazy story's another example of what's wrong with the retail industry. If I was a Gamestop employee and someone asked me my opinion on which games sucked and which ones rocked I'd tell them everything. Other than that though, just let then buy what they want. Halo 1 rocked; how the employee had the nerve to talk smack about you purchasing the title just 'cause it was for Xbox is unfathomable.
Well my PS2 lasted around 5 years but in the fourth year the disc drive started acting funny, it would not play killzone and some other games.
My first ps2 was acting weird once so I sent it to Sony and they fixed it free of charge. Then it broke down a couple of years later, back when I got San Andreas. By then the slim ps2 was out so I just got one of those instead.
right when ZOE came out (bought it for the MGS demo, like everyone else). No problems so far. =]
Run Tekken Dark Ressuraction but it play just fine on any other PSP and Every other PSP game Runs Perfect on the PSP that the Tekken Won't Play-on? can you send it in for free for a Fix? No! So i Guess im Just Assed-Out.
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