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EA on Wii U: not a next-gen console

During EA’s Jan. 30 investors call, the major publisher stated that Nintendo’s recently released Wii U is not quite a next-generation console.

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SilentNegotiator1658d ago (Edited 1658d ago )

People don't have to like this, but it's not what publishers and developers wanted. And when that happens, you get thin third party support.

The top devs/pubs were asking for a lot more power so that they could expand games' horizons. Not touchscreens.

BullyMangler1658d ago (Edited 1658d ago )

Nintendo will show this genetation HOW to use this much power PROPERLY . . .just look at what capcom did with the Gcube and Res Evil 1 Remake . . i have yet to see a game that looks more astonishing than that Res game . and its for the Gamecube . . . ha haaa . this gonna be goood . .

blitz06231658d ago (Edited 1658d ago )

It IS Nintendo's next-gen console PERIOD. Why does this issue have to be brought up again? EA is just describing console generation. For them, it hasn't started yet because all games right now are still maxed out at the PS3/360 level. They are correct, next-gen hasn't really started until we see games that the PS3/360 cannot run.
It's already crystal clear the Wii U is just in the area of the PS3/Xbox 360. But it is STILL Nintendo's next-gen console.
It will STILL belong in the SAME generation as the PS4/Orbis and 720/Durango just like the Wii belongs in the same generation as the PS3 and 360.

TruthbeTold1658d ago

If by expand "games' horizons" you meant be lazy with coding since it's not crucial to optimize, then I agree.

I have no idea why people want/expect these majorly powerful consoles when

1. It will be so expensive that relatively few people will buy them.

and

2. Extra 'power' will just mean developers can be lazy. Most games won't come close to pushing the envelope. Only a few 1st party games will WOW people.

Developers as a whole aren't chomping at the bit for more power. RAM, yes, certainly. But what they want most are consoles that are less expensive to develop for. The built in architecture for all 3 of the new major consoles have/will have that.

Kevin ButIer1658d ago

I don't see any interest from Nintendo to play the "generations" game in the industry, wich somehow is a good thing for consumers. Diversity is always good.

ShinMaster1658d ago

Successful(maybe), but not truly next gen.

The caliber of games is about the same as current gen consoles playing the same current gen games like ME3, AC3 and Batman, much like the Wii played games like Okami and RE4, which were PS2 and GC games.

Is it Nintendo's own next-gen? Yes. It's the Wii's successor. But in the industry, it's not.

metroid321658d ago (Edited 1658d ago )

Look this is Sony and Microsoft using developers to tell porkies because EA havn't put a single game on ps3 or 360 that comes anywhere near Xenoblade WiiU them graphics are like a Nextgen Skyrim with out the screen tear ect,the waterfalls and birds in the backgrounds and the textures,lighting,and especially the shadows look incredible and way beyond anything on pc,ps3.360 ect yes that's due to consoles holding bk pc or pc would be better ?

The WiiU is clearly dx11 comparable going off that Xenoblade footage it looked dx12 in most area's,so if you think this is 1st gen wiiu games when ps4 hits the WiiU will be onto it's second gen games in other words Metroid,Zelda,Smash,Eternal D2, ect.

All this ps4 and 720 will have better graphics is just pipe dreams as from the rumours ps4 will be using the same chip confirmed by a respected developer to be the HD6670 and we all know the 67** series is at least 40% more powerful ?

About these high end engines Retro studio's and Nintendo have Engines that rival UE4 that's the word and with Retro i believe this Engine when shown will destroy EA's Engines.

SilentNegotiator1658d ago

"If by expand "games' horizons" you meant be lazy with coding since it's not crucial to optimize, then I agree"

Ummmm, no. Super Mario 64 wouldn't have been possible on SNES if Nintendo weren't "lazy".
GoW1 wouldn't have been possible on Ps1 if Sony weren't "lazy".
Crysis wouldn't have worked on Xbox original if they weren't "lazy"

Optimization only takes you so far. Devs/pubs are ready to make NEXT gen games, however, and they need some FAST RAM, a strong CPU, and a next-gen GPU to make bigger, more complex, and prettier games.

Donnieboi1658d ago

If Wii U is next-gen simply because it's Nintendo's latest console, then I guess that Ouya is next gen too since it came out later. But we all know it's not next gen TECH, so cut the crap Ninty fanboys. Nobody believes that 6 year old tech is next gen no matter how much u try to spin it. And when the real next gen multiplats roll out, with wii u being left behind, then you'll see why it's not next gen.

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Army_of_Darkness1658d ago

LOL! i just had to say that;-)

guitarded771658d ago

Architecture... It determines where developers go.

Whichever architecture is most common (install base) determines where games are made.

Developers are asked by console manufacturers what they'd like to see in terms of architecture, before the system is designed.

What is important to the developer is CPU, RAM and GPU. We are at a point in CPU development where size is flat-lining due to heat restrictions... GPU's are becoming more powerful, and most systems won't even use more than 4-6gb of RAM.

I haven't fully seen the Wii U's specs (I have been looking though), but even the most hardcore Nintendo fans must be aware that the Wii U will not have the same power as the PS4 and NeXBOX.

It's not the end of third party support though. Wii U shouldn't have a problem running MANY games that will be on PS4 and NeXBOX. Remember, AAA power pushing games are more expensive to develope, so not everyone will be making state of the art pixel pushers.

Some games (especially downloadable only) will run on Wii U too. EA and Nintendo have a shaky relationship, but Ubisoft and Platinum Games and Capcom have shown support. As long as Nintendo can sell consoles, games will be made.

I don't worry about it because I own all consoles, which is the best option if you are willing to spend the money. If not, buy the console which is best suited to you.

QUESTION: Does anyone know how many ALU's are in the Wii U GPU?

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user39158001658d ago

There it is another publisher saying it out loud and I agree nintendo wiiu its a retro console with a poor handheld, sorry, I love nintendo, but the facts remain its a retro machine that can do what ps3 and 360 can do poorly.

AdvanceWarsSgt1658d ago

Wait......are you saying that the 3DS is poor or the WiiU tablet is poor?

metroid321658d ago

People forget AMD confirmed via Twitter that the wiiu uses a custom HD67** series so even the lowest of that series walk rings around the HD6670 that 720 and ps4 have,google it a respected dev confirmed this gpu for both consoles ie weaker than WiiU.

GET OVER IT WIIU GPGPU IS BEAST WE HAVE A XENOBLADE TRAILER TO PROVE IT NOT JUST CHEAP TALK and Moonlith say zero cpu issues or limitations just like Michel ancel zero limitations,and gearbox ect ect proof is in the pudding is what i say and Xenoblade looked way beyond current sub HD consoles,Beyonetta2 looked like an open world Beyonetta that demolishes the 1st one in everything scope,gameplay,graphics,you name it.

ziggurcat1658d ago

@ metroid32

1. none of the specs on the next playstation/xbox have been confirmed, so talking about the GPU being weaker on those systems is hearsay.

2. you're forgetting that the next playstation/xbox will likely have significantly more available RAM (probably faster, too), and a better CPU.

so really... quit trying to grasp at straws when it's painfully obvious that the next playstation/xbox will be way more powerful than the wii u.

and lol - nintendo just only joined the HD realm, so how is the PS3/X360 "sub HD"? xenoblade looks way beyond current consoles? give me a break... every current and upcoming first party title on X360/PS3 say, "hi."

southernbanana1658d ago (Edited 1658d ago )

@ Metroid 32
Xenoblade Chronicles, my favorite wii game, is nowhere near the graphical level of the Xbox 360 and PS3. Not sure where you are getting the idea the wii is at the same level of the other two. Does it matter? No. Just find your rational interesting at the most.

MakiManPR1658d ago

@ziggurcat & @southernbanana

He's taking about this game

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LOL_WUT1658d ago

Finally this debate can be put to rest... ;)

PopRocks3591658d ago

Because someone from Kotaku tweeted that someone from EA made a statement about the Wii U?

Seriously, get real.

GraveLord1658d ago

From a specs standpoint it obviously isn't. I think even Nintendo fanboys can't deny it. EA and all these big 3rd party companies are building these high-end engines for PS4/720 and even PC. Wii U is the last thing on their mind with these engines.

solid_warlord1658d ago

Nintendo Wii U is increasingly looking like it will be like the Gamecube...Im really worried for them. The Wii U is meant to be the console that competes againt Ps4 & xbox next, i dont think they will be able to compete. I

1upgamer991658d ago

I'm just saying "Looking like it will be like the Gamecube" have you forgotten that PS2 had far less power than Gamecube, yet blew Xbox/Gamecube out of the water?

solid_warlord1657d ago

@1upgamer99 hahaha the Gamecube was not far more powerfull than ps2 u retard...The Sony brand also made Nintendo Gamecube sound like a childs play. Sony was dominant force, the Xbox was more Powerful than PS2 but you couldnt see a huge difference, but ps2 had better games. Nintendo had childish games, why do they continue that path. Take for example there network...they are way behind Xbox Live & PSN. The entire online is child freindly. Most men do not think Nintendo Wii U is a console for grown men.

Outside_ofthe_Box1658d ago

***"Never count Nintendo out. They have great IPs. You will see a bounce when they bring these out. We see no correlation between Wii U sales and what we expect from other next-gen consoles, can't talk a lot about that though. What we describe as "Gen 4" is yet to come. We're excited and investing in it."***

Why are they calling it "gen 4"? Isn't next gen the 8th?

Joegrine201658d ago

This isn't hard, you guys.

Quote:
We see no correlation between Wii U sales and what we expect from other next-gen consoles, can't talk a lot about that though.
Translation: Wii U is next-gen, but we don't think it's struggles will translate to other upcoming platforms.

Quote:
What we describe as "Gen 4" is yet to come. We're excited and investing in it.
Translation: We also haven't invested anything into new engines for Wii U, meaning all of our products for it are using old code/frameworks/paradigms -- thus even though the Wii U is next-gen as a platform, our games for it are not. "Gen 4" represents the new framework for forthcoming, more graphics-oriented games.

Outside_ofthe_Box1658d ago (Edited 1658d ago )

Now it all makes sense when you see the quote in it's entirety and understand it's meaning.

***"We see no correlation between Wii U sales and what we expect from other next-gen consoles"***

Keyword: OTHER meaning they think of Wii U as next gen.

The quote was taken out of context... and look at the result it brought with the comments on here.. shoddy journalism and typical kotaku, LOL!

Ju1658d ago

That just means, the WiiU as it stands doesn't justify the investment in pushing the envelope. First it doesn't sell like the Wii did - nor the current consoles for that matter - and it doesn't push the envelope enough to make this "minimalistic" leap forward. While with PS4/720 the leap will be bigger and the market impact will be significantly bigger as well. Those are two paltform none the less. WiiU might see some improved content as soon as the new consoles are out.
Doing this with the WiiU now would still not push the next gens and require another upgrade cycle when those release - with the WiiU being somewhere inbetween the current and next gens. As a developer I can understand you'd rather make one big step than two small ones.

yeahokchief1658d ago

I agree it's not.

More importantly it also currently does not have enough games for core gamers.

No metroids. No new Zeldas. No new anything exciting really.

And the stuff they do put out is all focused at teenagers or younger. I do not see this console picking up at its current pace. Waste of money.

xursz1658d ago

I've been saying this forever. I can't find anything that makes me want to have the system and the price is still too much even if i did want it.

morkendo231658d ago (Edited 1658d ago )

from JAY2
no it's not.

who CARES!!!! long as friendly gaming is before you.
everyone not into 3rd person shooters,first person shooters,multi-online player shooter games as yourself.
some might say they like zelda,pikmon,metroid,castlevan ia,contra more than those game.