NowGamer: Industry analyst Michael Pachter believes Nintendo 'got it wrong' and will have to cut the price of the Wii U to keep hardware sales up.
They didn't get it wrong, its just that this is what Nintendo should of made this gen, not for next gen Theres nothing wrong with the console it's self I would of loved to see what Nintendo would come up with for next gen if the Wii U was released this gen. Wind Waker HD.....pffft we woud probably have most Zelda titles remade by now.
"its just that this is what Nintendo should of made this gen, not for next gen" Ummm yeah..THATS where they got it wrong lol.
We knew what he meant.
this will be like another Gamecube
"They didn't get it wrong, its just that this is what Nintendo should of made this gen, not for next gen" yeah getting that part wrong is a pretty big mistake if you ask me lol! I'm getting the feeling that nintendo was totally trying to pull another wii trick, weakest console out of the 3 but much cheaper for all! Not sure if it will work the second time around though;-) lol
@ newmonday Nothing like Gamecube. Gamecube came last to market and got compared to PS2's onslaught of quality titles.
Nothing like early panicking to write off a console. They got the 3DS wrong too didn't they?
@Newmonday Except it's been reported that the WiiU has already sold more than what the Ps3 or 360 did in the same time frame. http://www.gamesradar.com/w...
The truth is that the Wii U isnt attracting and impressing consumers. Nintendo is in a really bad position right now. Nintendo fans do not want to believe it but here read these two recent articles. May be they will finally open your eyes. http://online.wsj.com/artic... http://finance.yahoo.com/ne...
Its Michael Pachter theory..... and he always wrong. So who cares what he say. Nintendo already sells 3 million WiiU in 3 months. Dutch site link. Use Google translate if you can not read dutch. http://tweakers.net/nieuws/...
"newmonday "this will be like another Gamecube" http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... The Nintendo GameCube sold 22 Million worldwide, but I think that would be a best case scenario with the WiiU. Heres a quote from the Wikipedia page for Sega, which talks about the brief history of the Dreamcast, which is what I think the WiiU is destined to become as history begins to repeat itself: "On November 27, 1998, Sega launched the Dreamcast game console, Sega's final console, in Japan. The Dreamcast was competitively priced, partly due to the use of off-the-shelf components, but it also featured technology that allowed for more technically impressive games than its direct competitors, the Nintendo 64 and PlayStation. An analog 56k modem was also included, allowing gamers to play multi-player games online on a home console for the first time, featuring titles such as the action-puzzle title Chu Chu Rocket, Phantasy Star Online, the first console-based MMORPG, and the innovative Alien Front Online, the first console game with online voice chat." "The Dreamcast's launch in Japan was a failure. Launching with a small library of software and in the shadow of the upcoming PS2, the system would not gain great success, despite several successful games in the region. The Western launch a year later was accompanied by a large amount of both first-party and third-party software and an aggressive marketing campaign." "It was extremely successful and earned the distinction of "most successful hardware launch in history," selling a then-unprecedented 500,000 consoles in its first week in North America. On November 1, 2000, Sega changed its company name from Sega Enterprises, Ltd. to Sega Corporation. Sega was able to hold onto this momentum in the US almost until the launch of Sony's PlayStation 2. The Dreamcast is home to several innovative and critically acclaimed games of the time." "Faced with debt and competition from Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft, Sega discontinued the Dreamcast hardware in 2001. The final game Sega released for it was Puyo Puyo Fever in 2004." http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... The Sega Dreamcast went on to sell 11 million units.
For future reference, try to use more definite terms when describing each generation, rather than those of a more relative nature. Your post seems a bit garbled after becoming twisted by before and after thinking. On topic: As long as they start releasing games like those shown at the latest Nintendo Direct, they'll be fine. Doom and gloom prophecies always pop up when any product makes a slower than expected start. They did it with the PS3 and the 3DS, and both of those turned out alright. Nintendo always has their faithful, they just need to start convincing everyone else.
Sweet baby jesus Root.....I actually agree with. Regardless though I believe Nintendo will do just fine and I know your comment wasn't a doom comment I was just saying. For me though I'm just excited to FINALLY have HD Nintendo anything haha. Even if it is late.
Agreed, who cares what the COD/Madden crowd thinks? I want my mario, zelda, metroid, and everything else in HD. I can't wait to get the money to buy one, I will forsure when they release DQX or X (by the Xeno devs)
I will buy one as well once Wind Waker HD comes out that is so hopefully by then they will add a bigger harddrive in it
Big N always been on focus with hardware that give them insentive from hardware sales, but that mentality has ceased with the wiiu. They forgot innovation with low spec hardware, you cant bring comparable hardware to ps3 and 360 and call it next gen 8 years later, cause its nothing more than lack of vision. Patchter its the 1 person I never listen to cause all his prediction in gaming has been off beat lol... Althought I give him credit for having the tenancy of saying whats on his mind, its ridiculous to listen to him when he cant get it right most times. This time around his got it right, WII-U its a failure that needs a price drop, problem is their growth will not be substantial even with a price drop, cause PS4 AND 720 will put an end to the high sales in which this case are exceeding ly low. Good luck WII-U, your demise its in the next corner right besides gamecube, Dreamcast said hi.
I'll put it out there, for all those gamers who look down on the wii u. Okay first, who's buying a wii u to play multi plats? Did you hear that? I don't hear no one, all I hear is crickets. It doesn't have to be as powerful as ps4/720. Alright now, what we have is a console about twice the power of the current gen, whether you want to Label that next gen or not doesn't matter, it's an hd console from nintendo which is going to be delivering a dozen or more great 1st party titles you won't be able to get anywhere else...GAMES people. Can you say that about the next xbox? Will it have a bunch of exclusives? Ahh that's very doubtful. Wii u already has Mario, Xenoblades 2, pikmin 3, monster hunter 3 ultimate, a new Earthbound, Zelda, smash bros... All these are known to be in development or nearing release. That's already more exclusives than Microsoft had for the 360 all gen. Come on people don't downplay the wii u.. The hardware is good enough to deliver a bunch of nintendo exclusives on a scale that hasn't been seen before and that's what matters.
I cant beleive peopke disagreed with you, all these peopke that are sayibg I like my nintendo 1st party titles in hd, but what about when mario gets old or zelda or metriod? a crap load of 3rd party devs have dropped supporting Nintendo crytek already refused to release crysis 3 for the wiiu, plus Nintendo fanboys claim a huge flaw as innovation, hahaha can only use 1 tablet controller at a time and they call it Asymmetrical game play? I would rather play a counsle that can handle more than 1 good controller at once and has nore than 32 gigs of hd space and that atleast has a dvd player not to mention the tablet cobtroller almost costs 200 bucjs give me a break!!!!! nintendo failed by being cocky because the wii sold because it was cheap and fat peopke want to lose weight.... . ps4/next box are going to rip nintendo' s market right out from under them!!
They just need to give the console time. The games that came out when the 360 and PS3 released? Almost complete crap. When the Wii U has a few years on it, the games will be incredible.
The OS was rushed.
Yeah but when the 360 and PS3 were launched they had no other competition. The WiiU is struggling to compete with 6-7 year old consoles... When successors to the current gen are announced how on earth is it going to keep interest?
@Kurt Russell(lol) The 360 in it's first year was competing with the PS2. Of course, back then we had already seen Nintendo and Sony's next consoles, but still.
I don't really see why people are getting confused what I've said Next gen is the Wii U, PS4 and the Nextbox, I can't say the Wii U is this gen despite it being out since next gen hasn't fully started yet This gen is the Wii, PS3, Xbox 360 So by saying the Wii U should of been this gen, it should of been the console made instead of the Wii to compete against the PS3 and Xbox 360 I don't see how that's confusing...
lol It happens all of the time. People are on HIGH Troll Alert and they shoot 1st and ask questions never. Pachter is just guessing. Like every journalist thought that the Vita was going to smash 3DS. We will see what happens. If people think that once PS4 and 720 hit the market, Nintendo won't have any tricks to make the WiiU more attractive- they live in La-La Land. I expect Sony and Microsoft to be smarter with price, but Nintendo has gotten smarter too.
Please, STOP with the "Should of"!!! I've not a grammar nazi nor even a native english speaker, but when did that crap start? I learned to say "should have" when I was at 1st grade English class... wtf?
Again not even crapping on the Wii U but can we quit the whole Wii U is next generation stuff. It is Nintendo's next generation console other than that it does not tie into a generation that redefines gaming as we know it with real advancements. When the Wii U is being compared to nothing but 7 year old systems and is literally doing nothing new software wise stuff we still see being done with older systems and sadly in some cases the older systems are even doing more software wise like Metro: Last Night than the Wii U, it's kind of hard to ever accept it as a real next generation system when it barely outperforms the ones from the last generation. Especially when no one here actually knows what the PS4 or 720 will even have let alone what they will bring to the table. To me a new generation is not just defined by when things come out but something that literally creates an entirely different standard than what we currently have. To me the Wii U is doing nothing more really than what the PS3 and Xbox 360 offer and honestly I don't think it ever will make that big of a difference between them. Of course over time games on the Wii U will get better no doubt just like they did on other consoles but it's hardware is the limiting factor that literally makes sure it will never outperform them by any significant means. It barely skates by now. All the Wii U has in it's arsenal is a slightly newer graphics card with RAM that isn't as fast and a processor that really doesn't even touch the 360's or PS3's. Regardless I think that is Nintendo's own mistake for always being so behind hardware wise, now they have two consoles in one generation and as you said the Wii U should have been the Wii because the Wii really didn't even touch the Xbox 360 or PS3 in terms of quality. So it was hard to even classify that as a system that competed with that generation if you asked me the Wii was in it's own generation just like the Wii U basically is but that is Nintendo's fault for never caring that much about hardware. People think that is all I care about but nope, I just care about balance and I believe a balance between good hardware and software is the way to go, not just focusing on one or the other. @CouldHaveYelledUiiW What planet do you live on, every journalist saying the Vita would smash the 3DS? What a load.. The Vita has been hated probably more than any portable to have existed for some mad reason but it has more hate circulated around it than anything and that was before it was even released. @Danteh You have some serious issues. You can't even speak proper english yet you are attempting to correct others enlish? Saying "I've not a grammar nazi" is by far worse than saying "Should of"..
It's really what the Wii should have been(imo). Now the competitors have a head start with hd since this is Nintendo's first.
That's exactly what Pachter is saying. From a Business perspective it was the wrong idea. Ya know, Pachter isn't always a retard hahahah! He's kind of like the Kevin O'Leary (Asshole realist Dragon's Den billionaire) of speaking with Investors. He has to tell investors what he believes they should be doing with their money and in this case I think he is right. Personally, I keep telling my dad to invest in Microsoft or Sony. Mostly Microsoft because their future is always going to be mega profitable basically, and Sony is a little harder to figure out at this time. Seriously people! With all this pent up demand, you gotta be stupid not to buy stock in Microsoft it's gonna go up like crazy when they announce it and it comes out!!!
Sony stock prices bottomed out in from a 5+ year all time low in December at about $10 (should have bought then)...they are currently sitting around $15. MS bottomed out around early 2009 for the last 5 years, and their prices are high considering they are losing market share on all fronts. As far as I see Sony would be a better long term investment since they recently bottomed out and are restructuring. MS stocks have been rather erratic as of late wait for them to slide down, but buy before they announce Windows 9 and sell afterwards. Nintendo bottom out at the beginning and end of each console and hit a high point about 1.5-2 years later. Now would be a great time to invest. Even if the Wii U only does gamecube numbers you could double your money with the right timing.
“The hardware guidance is disappointing, and there isn’t really anything that will get hardware moving other than a price cut. I think they got it wrong with this console, it just doesn’t capture the imagination the way that the Wii did.” ^ This explains Why he doesn't get it. read the first sentence. Pachter just said he doesn't think : * 3D Mario Game, Yoshi's Yarn, Super Smash Brothers, Wind Waker HD , NEW Legend of Zelda Game, Fire Emblem X SMT , Mario Kart.......... Pachter doesn't think any of those will sell units... Only a price cut will. This is 100% evidence as to why he doesn't " Get it "....when it comes to video games. This isn't Wall street.....we the gamers aren't demanding a financial report every quarter....We just want good games when they are released and we will support them. It's not hard. Pachter has no patience....just like the rest of the corporate "elite"
Can you tell me the release dates on those? Not even half will make it out this year in Japan even.
Stop talking rubbish all 3 nextgen consoles have dx11 comparable graphics END OF there will be no winner in graphics it will be who ever has the best vision ?????
nintendo is going to get raped in graphics by nextbox/ps4 give it up
Blow it out your arse Pachter http://www.destructoid.com/...
Nintendo knows what they are doing. They know their target market and they made a console for it. And they knew when to release the console too. They didnt want to enter a console war against Microsoft or Sony. Because if that were to happen, 'their' market might get their head turned towards the other console with flashy graphics and power.
I've said it once I'll say it again, nothing but a Price Cut will dig the WiiU out of the hole its in at the moment.
The WiiU isn't that expensive, the PS3 was $499 and the xbox 360 was $299 at launch. Also, the price is a lot lower than we all expected.
Now i wouldn't say that, yet, I still believe it's way to early to call the WiiU a flop. Everyone is in such a hurry to claim Nintendo's latest consoles are failures, but look at the wii. Although not the most successful console, the wii made Nintendo millions and many claimed that to be a waste of money, so again its just to soon to call it a fail.
Not a native speaker of English, eh?
Everything is in English...as I've said above there's nothing wrong with it People are just nitpicking You guys know for a fact what I mean
I think I read that wrong. ...that or you are under the fralse impression that the Wii U is under powered. Oh silly "gamers" on N4G, only the PC gamers seem to understand just how much better the architecture is than last gen.
@Root You know what's ironic about you being the first to comment on this article? Look at the hottest Wii U posts of the day. ALL of them are negative with a ton of freaking buzz with anti-Wii U and even anti-Nintendo comments, not to mention two of them are duplicate stories. So the next time you tell me that the bias is against Sony and not Nintendo, think long and hard about your comment.
Your not even talking about the topic or speaking about the article...what the hell are you going on about. Seriously "Wahhh Wahhh Nintendo are being hated on" Mate the same happens with Sony and even Microsoft Sony with the PSN hacking or Microsoft with it's crap E3 shows for example, people end up making related articles and they all end up being the top news. It's just what happens. Now if you said "Oh root I agree with you because" or "Oh root I disagree with you because" then fair enough but straight to a bunch of nonsense which isn't even on topic. There's no pleasing you is there Nintendo are being called because at the present time theres something which has happened to bring Nintendo into the spotlight...with Sony it just happens whether they do something good or bad.
IMO they released the wiiu a few years too late, also the make wiiu has send in mixed signals to their consumers from last gen who are confused on what wiiu is. Maybe calling it wii2 would have been better Also they fell through like all console makers before them of releasing a system only for it to not have a lot of games for first 12-18 months Someone has to change that and release a system and than release few bg games within first 12 months
First of all, it's a Pachter article. There is hardly a need to address it. Secondly, when has Sony ever received any notably negative buzz on this site? The PSN hack is the only thing that comes to mind, and that wasn't even really justified against Sony. Seriously, the matter is completely one sided and the bias is annoying enough. Now we have notable trolls suddenly getting a ton of agrees for spouting THE SAME garbage from before.
"Secondly, when has Sony ever received any notably negative buzz on this site? The PSN hack is the only thing that comes to mind, and that wasn't even really justified against Sony." Articles go a little like this PS3 is doomed Sony is doomed The PSV is doomed PS3 will be dead in a few years Sony will leave the gaming industry PSN down time...another PSN Hack Sony don't market enough Sony are loosing money Sony don't make enough money PS3 sales are down Is this the end for Sony and the PS3 What Sony failed at this gen Sony is a failure Why the PSV is a failure Biggest disappointments...the PSV I could keep on going if you like mate, I'm not even counting the crappy ones which make no sense but instead nit pick Sony to death. "First of all, it's a Pachter article. There is hardly a need to address it." Pachter articles nearly always become hot topics because he;'s not well liked and people come on here to state they don't like him or he says something ridiculous which are going to anger people.
"Secondly, when has Sony ever received any notably negative buzz on this site?" Try years 2005-2009. That's 4 full years of unjustified bashing.
"Secondly, when has Sony ever received any notably negative buzz on this site?" Please tell me you didn't write that with a serious face.
Your correct root. Nothing wrong with the actual console. But it will not sell like the wii. Does not have the casual market anymore. 40mill max imo, more then it's older consoles.
Casuals have definitely moved on from consoles. This is apparent with the Kinect, Move and Wii sales as well. Casuals are now into tablet gaming. With the recent bad media attention console gaming is starting to get again here in the US, that's not helping either.
A company should never cater to one market ONLY. Casuals are fickle and always will be. It's like only selling apples and then realising that the people that actually spend the most like many fruits.
Nintendo has never catered to one market. The Wii had more core games on it than the Gamecube.
I agree in what he means. The Wii U is what the DS is but for the home. That may work on the handheld market but the (very limited) tablet controller is just not interesting to the original Wii/non fanbase market especially when this market has moved onto actual tablets.... The Wii U isn't a bad console and we will see if Nintendo was right in thinking the jump in power this generation is relatively smaller when the PS4 and next xbox releases but I think the controller angle was a miss step and a miss judgement of the market
'I agree in what he means.' I'm shocked. You agree with someone with a negative view on Nintendo? I've never seen that before.
Just out of interest, would it be a fair representation of personalities if every single person liked exactly the same thing? Isn't that a philosophy of ever diminishing returns? Person (a) dislikes what persons (b, c and d) likes, so that automatically makes him an outsider and his/her view becomes irrelevant or biased. I'd say that persons (b, c and d) is the biased view and person (a) is an individual. Certainly in this context.
I don't like a lot of stuff other people do, but I don't make a point of talking about stuff I don't like. I rarely talk about things I don't like, put it that way. I don't see the need to constantly be negative about anything I'm not interested in.
Why are some people acting like Pachter has a vested interest in the Wii U failing? It is his perspective and he tries to predict consumer outcome. It makes no difference to him whether Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft do well. What we have to consider is how these platforms do beyond the launch window. You will always get your core group that will support them no matter what (he even remarked about how Nintendo fans will buy an empty box as long as it has Nintendo on it). The same thing happened with Vita, the PS3 and the Xbox 360. It will likely happen with the next Xbox and the PS4 as well. What's important is beyond that window. The Wii had a snowball effect where it just kept selling from the start and then 4 or so years later it dropped off. It's very hard to predict how something will do down the road. The Vita is a perfect example of a great device that is having troubles selling and there are many reasons for that. However the hardcore crowd was there in the beginning and are now trying to convince others to buy it as well. The Wii U may be the same thing. I predict Nintendo will have a great Fall line-up to go against new hardware that usually suffers from software early on. The back-up plan for Nintendo will be a price drop. So they have a one-two punch to go against the PS4 and the new Xbox but Nintendo also knows people will buy the new hardware no matter what just like the 3+ million have done for the Wii U. It will be post-launch of the PS4 and new Xbox for what matters. So don't expect Nintendo to be very aggressive with a price drop then when the PS4 and new Xbox come. They know those sales will occur for those systems anyways. Nintendo will have a tough time trying to convince gamers to buy a Wii U for non-exclusive content. I think the magic of what the Wii did with motion controls isn't the same thing now. I don't think those casual gamers are going to flock to the Wii U this time. I do like what I have seen so far from the Wii U but like a lot of people are reluctant to jump onboard until more software that is unique comes out and to see what Microsoft and Sony have up their sleeve.
Patcher calling out others who "Got it wrong"? Am I alone in seeing irony here?
This is just the beginning. Nintendo had the 3DS wrong too right? haha I love Nintendo.
Patcher gets paid off Sony/Microsoft to bash NINTENDO. Defo think that's the case,i used to think this but now i'm sure,when does he bash Sony and co ?? he lives sleeps and breaths Nintendo HATE.
nintendo is trying to do sonethibg dufferent becsuse they tried to takecthe hard core market but sony raped them out of it with the ps1 ever sinve then nintendo has been stuck with the same old boring ips that are only fun if you have freinds over haha nintendo knows they already failed they should give up while they have dignity left and sell their ips to sony and ms abd be a 3rd party dev it would make alot of pwople happy and so everyone stops feelibg bad f9r nintendo its a joke looking at thier stupid ass hardware that my phone is more powerful than
This troll attempt was ab-solutely dreadful. Stick to typing on Mii Verse, it'll help your self asteem. Didn't even have to finish reading your comment to know you're a hardcore nintendo fan.
I bought one for my kids for Christmas and they really haven't spent much time on it. I obsessed over Scribblenauts for a couple days until I realized, it's the DS game...nothing more. My other problem is my list of anticipated titles for the platform consist of very few games, one of which is nothing more than a remake of my favorite Zelda game. I'm ok with HD remakes, but when that's all I'm looking forward to, there's a problem. I think the next big family title we have our eyes on is LEGO City Undercover, but not much else in the pipeline for us.
Welcome... Sincerely Vita Owner
I own a Vita too! Comment...so...random.
What are the odds - both vita owners in the same thread!
C'mon guys. I love my Vita but I play more PSP games on it than Vita. There are a few cool titles and that's it. It's a mixed bag.
If you like survival horror you should try zombie u.