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Killzone 2 DEV responds on provocation in boardsus.playstation.com forum

In very popular topic "Ask the Dev thread" in Killzone 2 section at boardsus.playstation.com fourm, dev known as Killzone EON(he answeres on all questions)responded in "angry" fashion after one forum member provoked him.Check out the link for reason and complete and probably longest comment EON has posted there. Part of EON comment:

"Honestly. I've started writing this reply three times, switching from angry flaming of the kind of mentality that draws people to wasting their lives making posts like the above, through into a factual listing of the many inaccuracies in your post (almost every word is, in fact, objectively incorrect). I've no idea what makes gamers turn so frigging nasty when Devs don't cater to their every whim and I'm not going to start guessing now - if you want to go be excited about Eight Days then be my guest. You're not commiting apostacy, nobody's going to want to tear you to pieces for it. You're really not going to hurt my feelings."

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Marceles3497d ago

"Honestly. I've started writing this reply three times, switching from angry flaming of the kind of mentality that draws people to wasting their lives making posts like the above, through into a factual listing of the many inaccuracies in your post (almost every word is, in fact, objectively incorrect). I've no idea what makes gamers turn so frigging nasty when Devs don't cater to their every whim and I'm not going to start guessing now - if you want to go be excited about Eight Days then be my guest. You're not commiting apostacy, nobody's going to want to tear you to pieces for it. You're really not going to hurt my feelings.

But really - how you can turn 'looks better than any other PS3 game in development (even Killzone 2!)' into Killzone 2 being a failure beggars belief. Is there only allowed to be one good game at once? When it is news that a game looks better than Killzone 2, I'd say that suggests that Killzone 2 looks pretty damn good.

The E3 2005 trailer was NOT false. One confused Sony rep claimed it was a movie from the game engine - one guy blizted out of his mind on fatigue, jetlag and the madness that is E3. One guy not at all affiliated with Guerrilla Games - probably with a head full of 30 different titles. Everyone else named the E3 2005 video for what it was - a target render of what we thought would be possible on the PS3. Something we would be aiming for.

Then, during E3 2007, in front of the majority of the gaming journalist press we released a trailer of Pre-Alpha code running and demonstrated a PLAYABLE Killzone 2 that stunned the industry. If you know me at all from watching me answer questions you know that I'm not prone to hyperbole in the slightest. The quotes coming from those sessions included 'jaw dropping', 'amazing', 'stunning' and 'a complete vindication'. Notwithstanding that, you decide that the E3 2007 sessions failed - a completely reversed opinion from just about everyone who saw it running or played it. What you say 'everybody' knows is something that almost nobody believes.

The truth is that NOBODY is releasing the definitive game of the PS3 only 3 years into it's lifespan. And no sane person would even try to release 'the definitive game' - because who knows what will make the definitive game definitive? The only shame here are whatever feelings made you decide to come in and post things that even you must know are untrue, simply in an attempt to score points and / or upset people."

Very good quote I'd say...forum gamers seriously need to stop making asses out of themselves, you can see that he took it a little personal even though he said he doesn't care, but that guy posting was totally trying to get a rise out of the developer. We'll see the truth when it finally comes out, but as of E3 2007, if the game looks that good at pre-alpha then there's a very good chance it'll be identical to the trailer in 2005

fenderputty3497d ago

in there about 3 years into a consoles life cycle? Does that mean we ain't seeing this until 09'?

jwatt3497d ago

No, he is just saying you won't see games taking advantage of the ps3 untill 3 years down the road.

rbanke3497d ago

I think he may mean dev time, 2008 marks the 3rd development year for the ps3.

fenderputty3497d ago

I'm just hoping that wasn't some sort of Freudian Slip. Lord knows I want this game ASAP.

sonarus3497d ago

seriously speaking i find it very difficult to feel pity for guerrilla games no matter how much flak they take. Thats what happens when you show a game to early. I can understand the tremendous pressure from sony to show the game but if you show a game playable and almost a yr later you are still dodging the release dates gamers will get wary. The ps3 is powerful from a graphics stand point KZ2 is amazing but whats the hold up. Release the fvkin thing already or at least give us the beta.

fenderputty3497d ago

I feel you sonarus. They showed a playable level almost a year ago and have not givin us one update since then. To further that, they only showed us that much to combat the ES 2005 debacle. With that type of marketing and hype building of the game, it's only natural that people speculate it's arrival and it's success.

Personally though, I don't doubt this game. Take what you saw last year and add another year of Dev time to it. I think this game is going to be a monster.

solidt123497d ago

I think the developer handled that pretty good. Killzone 2 will be a great game and I get tired of people jumping on the bandwagon for every great looking game that comes out and then talk bad about the ones previously announced. It is possible to have more than one great game in the same year you know.

fusionboxer3497d ago

I personally have a lot of faith in Guerilla Games and have confidence in killzone 2 more so then any other game coming out for the ps3.

One reason why is because they were able to improve a whole lot from killzone 1 to killzone liberation. They went from having a relatively unpolished title with pop in and lack of a solid online infrastructure to a psp continuation that addressed every problem that fans of the original had.

For example they added a solid tested online with great maps, free DLC in the form of a brand new chapter, co op campaign mode, better checkpoints, interesting guns, drive able vehicles, squad commands, improved AI that reacts to their surroundings to flank you and just a lot more polish (it ran super smooth). If they could do all that with the psp then i say give Guerilla all the time they need to put out a great product on the ps3.

PS: I personally loved killzone1 because of the characters, dialogue, guns, atmosphere and story, but I don't deny the problems it had. Then again it remains to be one of my fondest memories on the playstation 2 and killzone liberation remains to be one of the best games on the psp.

Lifendz3497d ago

I like that he responded. It shows these guys are really surfing the forums and reading our comments. The fact that he responded without coming across like a jerk shows character. Good stuff. I wish they had said this immediately following E3 in 05.

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Brian52473497d ago

I think gamers have this false idea that developers are just mindless robots who are there simply for there own entertainment. Before you judge this guy, look at the ridiculous post that he's referring to. He actually claimed that 'Eight Days', a game in which no footage has yet been shown, is now better than Killzone 2. Read:

Well...I think Killzone lost the battle for best PS3 upcoming game. "Eight Days" won!

http://www.ps3informer.com/...
better-than-killzone-2-will-b e-awesome-008730.php

And it's funny to say that there's no HYPE over Killzone 2. Since the FALSE E3 2005 trailer, there's a hype...and now, when everybody knows Killzone 2 WON'T get the level of E3 2005 trailer, so the devs say "THERE'S NO HYPE OVER KILLZONE 2, KILLZONE 2 WILL BE A GOOD GAME , AS MANY OTHERS". It's more comfortable to think like that and that is a way to answer the "failure" of the final product, (in comparison with E3 trailer, about being the defitinive game pf PS3).

Shame.

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This is why the dev said what he did. Can you blame him?

Marceles3497d ago

And the screens for Eight Days later were just meh from what I saw...

Iamback3497d ago (Edited 3497d ago )

It wasnt my intention to blame him, i am actually on his side. That troll really asked for it and he owned him. I just thought it is well written comment with many great point that get overlooked.

Marceles3497d ago

I agree...if it was just 2 normal forum members arguing then it's something different. Stuff gets posted from devs @ the Playstation Blog so I don't see the dev's post on the forum to be any different.

VirusE3497d ago

The screen shots are not the best but there is some sick detail in that car. The rims look very nice and so does the sky. I still think killzone 2 looks better though.

marinelife93497d ago

Eon owned that guy with his reply.

I like how the PS3 development teams work together and share technology. That should cut down a lot on development time.

So many games so little time.

Nathaniel_Drake3497d ago (Edited 3497d ago )

Yeah I just read from that cowboy junkie poster, and his name fits his personality, but I have been on the playstation forums and you get these kinds of behavior from these people that just make a account just to harass other ps3 board users, just look at his count post, I mean you get this kind of people all the time there

It seems like Killzone offended his family or something

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Marceles3497d ago

Yeah I hate that...it's always the "Newbie" posters with 1-20 posts who do stuff like that

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Violater3497d ago

They are both PS3 exclusive games.
One coming out after the other, it is only natural progression that it should look "better"
"better" being subjective as they are 2 diff. art styles.
Why people get hyped up over speculation and from such a source is beyond me.
But that did not stop this story from being approved did it.
Honestly I would rather have the MART back on N4G than 99% of the fanboys that have made the recent jump from Gamespot/Faqs

robbo9183497d ago

"Why people get hyped up over speculation and from such a source is beyond me"

In source you mean the developer? Seriously I just am not sure what you are meaning on that one, are you talking about the first kid or the developer's reply because to me the developer of a game is pretty reliable.

"Honestly I would rather have the MART back on N4G than 99% of the fanboys that have made the recent jump from Gamespot/Faqs"

The Mart is still here, trust me, otherwise a national holiday would be declared or something. <SARCASM ALERT> Gotta love the Mart <SARCASM END>

VirusE3497d ago

I am impressed; i think he handled himself very well. I would have been pissed and tearing beating hearts out if i was him.

alan0013497d ago

looks like killzone 2 will be released in 2009 then?, "The truth is that NOBODY is releasing the definitive game of the PS3 only 3 years into it's lifespan"

Iamback3497d ago

He used it as an example, he tried to say that even if games in 2009-2010 might end up looking mind blowing it still wont be best from PS3. Just look at Gow2 and FF12 on PS2, oth came out in 6 or 7 th year of PS2.

alan0013497d ago

ow ok cool, nice to know coz i cant wait that long for killzone 2 ehehh

JoelR3497d ago

KZ2 was in development at least a year in advance of the Launch of the PS3 putting it squarely into three years + of development so far.

Iamback3497d ago

Yes KZ2 has been to long in development. I understand that technology that is financed by Sony will also be used among other 1 party studio, so they can cut cost of development and earn some money back, but still it is really taking damn long. I hope they release it this year, but at the same time i hope they don't rush it.

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