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Submitted by darkride66 546d ago | article

Xbox 360 ‘Kinect Effect’ fades as console market dips

A little more than a year ago, in the fall of 2011, Microsoft’s Xbox 360 business was basking in the glow of the “Kinect Effect”.

Interest in the motion controller was driving record sales of the Xbox 360 a full six years after its release — a whopping 8.2 million units sold for the 2011 holiday quarter. Microsoft’s console would go on to top the PlayStation 3 and Nintendo Wii for the first time in head-to-head worldwide annual sales.

Fast-forward to present day, and that effect is hard to see. (Industry, Microsoft, Xbox 360)

Bar_Brothers  +   546d ago
Who Cares ? Kinect already sold over 20m
its a sucess for Microsoft but thankfully its not selling that well anymore...

i dont want that casual trash on my games, i want only core games with all the money they waste on those kinect and move sh** they could make more Core IPS for us.
Root  +   546d ago
The problem is, will MS realise this for next gen, we're already hearing stuff about Kinect 2 or some other motion gimmick crap being bundled in with their next console.

I'd rather they just leave Kinect behind....it made money, it did it's job and MS are happy....they shouldn't over do it. Quit while your a head MS
WooHooAlex  +   546d ago
That and how many people actually used their Kinect enough to warrant going out and buying Kinect 2 for the new Xbox right away?

They should try and cater to the hardcore gamer for the first few years, then bring out a new motion control gimmick once they get the price down a little. That strategy worked for them with the 360, why change it?

But I agree, I hope they call Kinect a success and move on from it.
EVILDEAD360  +   546d ago
Kinect is an overall success. It's stil being bundlesd with the 360 and of course the longtime rumor has been it will be bundled with the 720.

Sony will also keep Move as a part of it's strategy and is rumored to be bundling a Move controller in each PS4.

Evil
BitbyDeath  +   546d ago
"why change it?"

They probably want Wii success, not Kinect
pablo-b  +   546d ago
lol another darkride blog!!

console market dips, yet it is the fault of kinetic. not one mention of his beloved sony.

just a fanboy backslapping blog to help them all sleep better for a couple of nights.

how f'king sad are fanboys. and no, i aint mad bro
blackbeld  +   546d ago
Kinect sold well but ppl wait for the next gen.

With xbox720 they will make even more kinect games or kinect 2.0 cause of its success.

Sad for core gamers. They all will jump out.
rainslacker  +   545d ago
Kinect itself isn't really the problem. It's the over reliance on Kinect and forced features added to classically non-Kinect type games that seems to be an issue. Same goes for Move if Sony went that route...which thankfully they haven't.

I have nothing against MS trying to cater to the casual market, but only if they also cater to the gamer market, which while possibly not as lucrative, is generally more secure for the long term.
MaxXAttaxX  +   545d ago
I don't understand how 360 fans are not be happy that Kinect may be fading away.
I'm being sincere here. It could mean that MS may stop putting so much focus on Kinect titles and shift it's attention to core games more.

Is that not what you want? Do Xbox fans not want more focus on core games? Or do you want more Kinect games and Usher to be the focus of every E3 instead of core games so you can keep yelling "Xbawx" at your TV to enter commands and flail your body around.
How blind can fanboys be to keep defending it.
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UnholyLight  +   545d ago
you guys are stupid. If it sold well it's on it's way in version 2.0. Progress for progress sake. I can only imagine how much better it will be than the first. The Playstation Move is not going to progress our learning and technology like trying to create motion gaming like Kinect
ShinMaster  +   545d ago
@UnholyLight
Maybe not the Move, but the EyeToy and PS Eye did.
It's why you got Kinect now... Not that it's made gameplay any better though.
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EVILDEAD360  +   545d ago
@ Nathan

'I'm being sincere here. It could mean that MS may stop putting so much focus on Kinect titles and shift it's attention to core games more.'

Why is it so hard to contemplate that MS can have a motion control peripheral and support the casual audience and still put out it's biggest core titles like they have just like Sony and Nintendo?

Sony released the same casual titles for Move and we already know what Nintendo does, but why is it an issue when MS does exactly the same thing?

Every console has the option for motion controls period. It doesnt begin and end woth MS, Nintendo, or Wii. But, those gamesand the peripheral are completely optional. If it expands the audience to people who buy the 360 as an option for the whole family then there is nothing wrong with that. Just like there is nothing wrong with choosing the Wii for your kids or the PS3 because it also is a Blu-Ray player.

Neither MS nor Sony are taking the foot off of the neck of Nintendo in the casual space. So get used to it, especially not that the Kinect Sports lead just left for Sony.

Evil
MaxXAttaxX  +   545d ago
@EVILDEAD360
" Why is it so hard to contemplate that MS can have a motion control peripheral and support the casual audience and still put out it's biggest core titles "

Because they haven't. Well, not to the same extent as Sony.
Nothing wrong with dabbling in the casual space, but don't start slacking in the core department.

And the lead from Kinect Sports also worked on the original Banjo games, Donkey Kong 64, GoldenEye and Killer Instinct Gold. Let's not forget that. And let's hope that he gets a chance to work on better games this time around as creative director (if he wishes to).
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EVILDEAD360  +   545d ago
@ Nathan

Are you really going to pretend that Kinect prevented that one major core title from releasing? It didn't.

It wasn't MS that led the holiday with Wonderbook, Little Big Planet, or a Super Smash Bros game. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that lineup.

But let's be real, those are casual experiences. Had MS had the same lineup and a game like Wonderbook getting major time at E3, I guarantee Nathan and many other would be screaming how that lineup was more proof MS abandoned the core.

As it is, people just simply can't just admit that MS, Sony, and Nintendo want all kinds of gamers and are not going to limit the experiences of their console to the supposed core. Two years of whining won't take away that Kinect was a success and both it and Move will be around next gen.

Evil
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dboyc310  +   546d ago
The whole motion control was just a phase the industry went through. Hence why a lot of wii's aren't selling as they used to. The casual market has moved from consoles to mobile platforms. With that out of the way gaming will go back to the glory days and shovelware will be no more.
The_Infected  +   546d ago
I think success counts on how much appreciation comes after buying the product not just sales. If everyone bought Kinect to try it out that doesn't mean everyone liked it. What if most of the ones who purchased Kinect ended up not liking it? That will determine Kinect 2 sales overall I believe.
UnholyLight  +   545d ago
Well said Marcus_Fenix. I actually enjoy my Kinect Sports games so I will be interested in seeing what new stuff they can come up with for Kinect 2.
nukeitall  +   546d ago
I actually love my Kinect, so I went out and bought a second one. It's a marvelous piece of technology and I use it while watching movies and in games, such as ME3, Fable, UFC Trainer, Kinect Sports and soon Dead Space 3.

I really don't understand the hatred for motion control, as it has it's place. It opened up the industry and made gaming "less geeky". That is a good thing, and I hope console manufacturers continue to expand the market with new technology.

It's not like it's 3D games here, who promised the world and gave you an overpriced TV!

I wouldn't mind more Kinect and PS Move personally. Developers really need to explore new ways to game, because the same old games hasn't changed much. The only thing changing is the production value, story telling and amount of money invested.
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thebudgetgamer  +   546d ago
It's not the motion controls that's the problem. I think there is room for that type of stuff. The problem for me is Microsoft focusing too much on the casuals and not people like us.
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SilentNegotiator  +   545d ago
"Who Cares ? Kinect already sold over 20m"

It's popularity lasted about a year and a half-ish on a 500M dollar marketing campaign high and then Kinect and Kinect game sales plummeted.

Yeah, who cares! Certainly not Microsoft! They don't care if their products have long-lasting popularity! /s
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otherZinc  +   545d ago
Really?

Why doesnt someone do a report on how Shi**y the SONY Move sales are? You know, compare SONY Move to Kinect.

Kinect is a great success, period!
maniacmayhem  +   546d ago
Kinect already did what MS set it to do and that was to extend (breath new) the life into the system. It brought in new players as well as diversify it's library what a lot of people on this site were claiming there was a lack of.

People jumped on the motion band wagon a while back but I think its appeal has been drawn out. Hopefully for the next consoles we will see a more thought out and immersive or better implemented approach for this idea.

With the rumors of the nextbox having more power behind it the Kinect 2 should be able to work as well as they originally attended.

We'll have to see.
zebramocha  +   546d ago
The problem with motion gaming is, people coming up with ideas that make the best use of them, like having control schemes to enhance current games or coming out with new motion based genre,there's a couple of games out on pc that could work with move chivalry medieval warfare,the dark eye and among the sleep.
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Dlacy13g  +   546d ago
Am I the only one that sees this comment as a bit funny?

"The problem with motion gaming is, people coming up with ideas that make the best use of them,"

People coming up with ideas that make the best use of the tech is a problem? Isn't that a good thing?
zebramocha  +   546d ago
That's a error, I meant not coming up with ideas that uses the tech best,thanks for catching the error.
abzdine  +   546d ago
kleenex effect i'd say
Rainstorm81  +   546d ago
It was a FAD....once the casual fad chasers get their fill they will move on to the next FAD.

But if this casual gaming boom changes non games into core games then it may have been worth it in the long run
MetalProxy  +   546d ago
yep its a fad plain and simple. i remember my cousin saying it was a fad here at n4g a while ago and he got many disagrees plus lost bubbles lol.
rainslacker  +   545d ago
It may be a fad, but motion control gaming will still have some part to play when it comes to interfacing with games in the future. I think given the current technology, motion control was just too much ahead of it's time. Without the Wii including it in every system, it never would have caught on the way it did, mostly because it's just not terribly accurate for precision gaming. There have been advances over the generation(Wii Motion+, Kinect, PS Move), but I still feel that the implementation is rather rudimentary, even in motion control centric games.

Some of the new tech patented by Sony and MS look to be going in the direction of accuracy and improved functionality, which is a step in the right direction, however it will get to a point where sometimes it's just not feasible, or even desirable, to be moving around while playing a game. RPG's for instance could get tiring very quickly for long play sessions. This means that some form of physical control will always be necessary...at least until these systems can interface directly with our brains.
edonus  +   545d ago
Motion control gaming has graduated past fad. It has survived fad. It has been successful and has expanded and adjusted. It expanding and adjusting isnt done yet but like you said it has a place.

If you are well versed in motion control games you know they are far from rudimentary. For instance in Rise Of Nightmares when got to the secret chamber you had to stand in the light and strike the pose of the statues around you but they had all been smashed so you had to look at the scattered remains and try to visualize and imitate the pose or die.... that just great gaming. Metroid on the Wii was an excellent FPS even COD with a WiiMote on the WiiU is really good.
But I have said that I feel that the theory behind making motion based games need to evolve. Traditional styled games arent suited for motion controls. I think game like real games should be implemented things that require short bursts of intense action like a real boxing game or Tron arena. Something that requires major focus for a few minutes.
lovegames718  +   546d ago
Natal tech demos lol hahahah blasphemy and i feel sorry for the ppl that were duped.
Reborn  +   546d ago
I don't see this being ditched. It's going to return for the next Xbox. I guess the question is..

Will it be drastically improved, in regards to how its used for games?
darkride66  +   546d ago
I agree. I can't see them ditching Kinect, nor should they. There's obviously a huge market for motion control games, and given the tech already exists, it would be crazy to not tap into that market with the new console. I think at this point, consumers should expect gaming to have the option for motion control. The question is, do they build it into the system or do they make it an accessory again?
dkgshiz  +   546d ago
Nobody cares about motion controls. Go to your local gamestop and look at all the used Kinects. Dust collectors and nothing more.
Edit: I have a move and multiple games for it. It does work fine but its still nothing special. I would take a dualshock 3 controller any day over it. Its a novelty item at best.
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abzdine  +   546d ago
well i like motion controls but when they work! Move is good for that you should give it a try it works just fiine!
CatXFlash  +   546d ago
3D/VR = WIN.
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Good_Guy_Jamal  +   546d ago
Confession, I bought into the Project Natal hype. They had me convinced that it was the next level of gaming interaction.
What we got instead is an embarrassment to me as a core gamer. At first I lenient, thought I'd give them time to make that Kinect game that I'd been waiting for. . .it never came.
Then I thought, okay, kinect + controller, now that's the future! Enter Steel Battalion: Mega Facepalm!
I found myself wishing Kinect would just die a quick death so we could get back to awesome exclusives. . .didn't happen.
Kinect succeeded in the face of immense odds, I mean $150 and it still managed to outsell the $50 Move. I'm glad the fad is over now, but I already went out and bought a ps3 last year so well done Microsoft!
Outside_ofthe_Box  +   546d ago
What people need to realize is that Kinect(motion controls in general actually) is just the first step. Kinect entered in the middle of this gen. Devs aren't going to put full resources into making a good Kinect only game just to sell it to a limited amount of people.

Next gen we should see that "next level of gaming interaction" hopefully since Kinect and other motion controls will most likely come with the system in the box. In the end it's up to developers to use the tech in innovative ways and hopefully they'll be able to do it.
Droid Control  +   545d ago
I started to fall for it, but decided to wait and see how things played out. Thank God I did, but it was touch and go there for a while back in 2010...
edonus  +   545d ago
I'm willing to bet you didnt buy a kinect and or never played any of the games for it.
If you could play through Kinect Star Wars, Fable the Journey, Steel Battalion, and Rise of Nightmares and Child of Eden and not find an enjoyable experience then there is something wrong..... with you(you meaning the gamers in general) thats how I know the media surrounding kinect with all their hate is full of $h!t. It sounds like you liked what the marketing told you about kinect but didnt buy it ... you then waited until their was a high reviewed game and over the course of it being bashed (unfairly and incorrectly I might add) lost interest in it.
GuyManDude  +   545d ago
Let me get this straight. You want Jamal to ignore this:

Fable: The Journey: 61
Kinect Star Wars: 55
Rise of Nightmares: 54
Steel Battalion: 38
(I didn't include Eden because you can play it with a controller and it's like 2-3 hours long)

And instead believe what the $500 million marketing campaign said?

So you want him to think he's going to get this:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

And not this:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

I don't know how to respond to that.
animegamingnerd  +   546d ago
the kinect ruined the 360 for me
TongkatAli  +   546d ago
You know guys you can get a 360 without a Kinect. The 360 does have awesome games.
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hellvaguy  +   546d ago
The Kinect is just a focal point for haters. I mean in the same sentence you don't see these same people saying "the PSMove ruined the ps3 for me".

It's just fanboys who already have their minds made up trying to focus on some aspect to validate their decision.
zebramocha  +   546d ago
@he'll it didn't because Sony focus was still core games with the ps3 and sprinkling move here and there,though they should've gotten more people to make move games.
Kingofwiiu  +   546d ago
Don't bother .... lol. The drones won't listen to rational comments.
FriedGoat  +   546d ago
not all of sonys recources went into the move, core games used it optionally. we still had games.

my xbox was just a gears 3 machine until halo came out.
palaeomerus  +   546d ago
I threw my Move crap away including that stupid rifle, and had no interest in sad crap like LBP Karting, Twisted Metal, or Battle Royale.The new SOCOM was just awful. Then I sold my PS3 too, and good riddance.
DigitalRaptor  +   546d ago
Good for you. I'll be enjoying Sports Champions 2, BioShock Infinite, Portal 2 (The perfect game for Move, that's no exaggeration) and Until Dawn. I think those games will tide me over until the next batch of refined motion games next generation.

It appears you don't like traditionally fun games I see. I won't even make a list of all the great looking PS3 games coming up because that's just cliche, but ultimately not many of them can be considered remotely poor games, whoever you are.

And why did you buy the new SOCOM when it looked average to begin with?
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FriedGoat  +   545d ago
@palaemerus
Glad you can use that one bubble to show what bad taste you have.
DivineAssault  +   546d ago
i really dont see the nx box doing well nx gen.. They are trying too hard to win a dead market.. well, its not dead but casuals have moved to tablets already.. Sony is king of core console gaming.. MS can produce as many multiplats as they want but theyre missing the key to any console makers success.. Great IPs.. Sure they have halo & gears but doesnt the PC have it too?
hellvaguy  +   546d ago
Um no the pc doesn't have halo (well the pc did get halo 1 and halo 2, but none since then) or Gears much like the pc doesn't doesn't have Uncharted or Mario series.

Google is your friend in all the 30 sec of glory it will take reveal all answers and avoid making bad assumptions. : P
maniacmayhem  +   546d ago
And yet Halo and Gears constantly move 360's in sales. They have their core covered while appealing to the casuals. As a business you want to cover all areas as best as possible that way you have multiple incomes from different genres.
fourOeightshark  +   546d ago
CoD moves 360's in sales.
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xxvorschlaghammer  +   545d ago
fourOeightshark: And PS3 doesn't have CoD games...? Tell me, how many units did Black Ops 1 sell on the PS3?
Good_Guy_Jamal  +   546d ago
Depends what your definition of success is. If it is making as many exclusives as possible then SONY succeeded. If it is making a profit then Microsoft succeeded as their financial reports from 2005 show that they have made an overall profit since xbox 360 launched. Sony. . .not so much.
This will blow your mind: Microsoft/Xbox business has made more profit from 2006 til now with just Xbox 360 than SONY/Playstation business has during the same time with PSP, PS2, PS3 and PS VITA combined! COMBINED!! I mean what the H??
Don't believe me? String together their financial reports since 2006 and see if you come up different
CommonSenseGamer  +   546d ago
I for one am a supporter of motion controls when paired with the right game. I've had countless hours of fun with my kids over the years playing games on EyeToy, Move and Kinect. Even the wife joins in!

Kinect for me is what the PSEye should have been as I was always disappointed by the lack of support the Eye received from Sony until they paired it with their Move controller. Hlwever, what both parties need is some really creative minds to drive development of games that make great use of their respective motion controls and stop merely using them as alternatives for a standard control scheme.
Dlacy13g  +   546d ago
I am sorry, but your opinion about how you enjoyed Kinect, EyeToy and Move are incorrect according to the disagree's.

Apparently you didn't enjoy playing those games with your family and Kinect clearly wasn't what the Eye Toy should have been according to you.

Sorry...your own accounting and personal enjoyment clearly were mis-read by yourself. N4G knows the truth and how you really felt and have set you correct with the disagrees. /s
Hicken  +   545d ago
Oh, come on. It's an opinion. People disagreed with it. Doesn't necessarily mean he DIDN'T do those things; it could just as well mean those that disagreed didn't share his experiences.

Or it COULD be like certain individuals, who've earned disagrees regardless of what they say, because of how certain others perceive them.

This complaining about getting disagrees on opinions thing is getting old.
Qrphe  +   546d ago
Kinect will be in the nextbox and it will be successful, no doubt about that.
Bigpappy  +   545d ago
Any one here who says different is in pure denial. Kinect 2.0 with 720, would mean it will be the #1 choice for parents and still have a dedicated core following. If M$ could show some new innovative ways to use it this E3, they will be well on their way to a huge holidays haul -if they have enough stock-
kma2k  +   546d ago
A big part of my problem with Kinect can be solved very easily. Kids games designed for kids, toddlers, young people need to have to ability to use the controller for set up. Let us use the freakin menus with a controller if we want to. My son (4 years old) loves kinectamals but has a hard time with the menus, it is utterly frustrating that it takes almost 15 minutes to get to a point where a kid can just play. It would not take more than a minute or two if i could use a damn controller to get through all the menus.
edonus  +   545d ago
You know what..... I dont have issues with the menus at all but you just made a great suggestion. A system that is seamless motion and controller hybrid would actually help out in making an even tighter experience.

This the type of stuff I would like to see discussed with kinect not all the hate from people that didnt read the instructions or set up their play area good enough complaining about stuff hey are doing wrong.
rapidturtle  +   546d ago
Just give me a couch and a controller and I'm happy. I play games to relax. I'm so glad I didn't get caught up in the motion control fad. It would have been a huge waste of money.
Aceman18  +   546d ago
same i didn't waste my money on this. my 360 is doing just fine with this camera.

i do have a move, but that's for the core games i have if and when i feel like using it for them.

99% of the time it's the controller for me lol.
007Bond  +   546d ago
kinect is a success haters gonna hate ps3 move not so much
Adropacrich2  +   546d ago
I'm keen to get Kinect back at some point. People can bang on as much as they like about how supposedly naff it is but I enjoyed it. Love me some Halo, Bayonetta and Gears etc but also Kinect for the different kind of fun it provides. It's about the most fun I've ever had quite honestly with friends participating and reminds me of earlier times actually when i first started to enjoy gaming. I'm also far from a gamer that only enjoys the more casual experience with most games in fact appealing to me
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Dlacy13g  +   546d ago | Well said
I love the Kinect ruined it for me comments.

Last I checked, if you have Kinect you can turn it off... get rid of it altogether or just keep it and use it when you like. Many, many games on the 360 don't use it or its an added feature.

Last I checked there are still TONS of games that work 100% without Kinect... Halo 4, COD:BLPS2, Need for Speed Most Wanted, DMC,Darksiders 2, Far Cry 3, AC3, Hitman Absolution, Dishonored, X-com Enemy Unknown, Forza Horizon, Fifa 2013, Madden 2013, NHL 2013, .... there are tons more but those are most of the recent big games.

Kinect has not kept 1 hardcore game from coming to the 360.... so WTF is up everyone's butt about it? Get over it... its an optional input device.

GET OVER IT.
FunkMacNasty  +   545d ago
Well Said! :)
sdplisken  +   546d ago
its a success for microsoft
get ready for the kinectbox 2.0, oh and it will have halo/gearz/fable/forza and cod mappacks for the hardcore!!!!

behold the future of the xbox brand and i dont even need a crystal ball!!!!

lol core gamers will be flocking to sony in droves next gen

NEXT GEN STARTS WHEN SONY SAYS SO!
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xxvorschlaghammer  +   545d ago
And how is Sony's move doing? How about all those god of War games they've released (the HD remakes, 3, ascension) or Killzone or resistance or any of the other numerous games with multiples in the franchise.

How's the wonderbook treating Sony?

I love how people are so biased, I own all the consoles and play them all pretty equally, but to talking like this just seems asinine, Microsoft has quality titles and they wouldn't sell so well if they weren't.

and acting like Xbox is the only system with CoD on it is asinine too, especially since they're some of the best selling and most played games on the PS3.

get over yourselves and learn to appreciate all the games and systems, you may just find there is fun and entertainment to be had in all of them.
sdplisken  +   545d ago
lol if you love how microsoft is treating hardcore gamers then your gonna love the kinectbox 2.0
DEATHxTHExKIDx  +   545d ago
i bought my 360 at Launch still have it and I am not convinced to go out and buy a Kinenct
ThatsGaming  +   545d ago
This is not remarkable... Everything about this generation is fading.
StreetsofRage  +   545d ago
LOL! The fanboy blog. So much internet pollution.
xxvorschlaghammer  +   545d ago
Who cares honestly? I own all 3 consoles and a Wii U, and I see the pros and cons in each system.

I will say that Kinect is an interesting piece of tech and there are some games on it I genuinely enjoy, but at the same time I'm not a huge fan of any motion controls honestly, that goes for the Wii and the Move.

however, I don't have a problem with them releasing the Kinect, it did what it was intended to do, sell more consoles, get casual gamers interested, and breathe a little new life into an already aged piece of hardware/generation where all the hardware is severely behind and not fresh at all.

If Kinect 2 or 2.0 or whatever you want to call it works well then I can see picking it up if it's not bundled with the system already, simply because on games like Mass effect 3, and Skyrim the voice command hot keys are awesome to have.

I mean honestly, Microsoft released the kinect at a time when consoles are already well past their prime, and they gained market share because of it, successful products usually get follow ups, and this one will be no different.
devilhunterx  +   545d ago
I predict:

XB3 = more casual games
WiiU = mix games
PS4 = more hardcore games
edonus  +   545d ago
And I would predict that you are wrong.

Sony loyalist expose themselves by saying they think MS has gone casual.

The reality is MS operates like a true business and goes were the money is. Remember at the start of this gen MS invested in tons of exclusives. Lots of the big franchises this gen were exclusive to the 360 at first. Bioshock, Mass Effect, Dead Rising. By the middle of the generation exclusives werent really making the grade. The development costs were high and the reward was small, so they decided to streamline there offerings. That why we get a decent supply of Gears(highest selling new ip exclusive) and Halos (highest selling exclusive franchise this gen).

The new money was in motion controls so they made kinect and pushed it through to a grand success. The core market was poisoned against kinect instead of investing in marketing kinects core offerings and pushing more kinect core games out they just focused on the casual(technicaly you can even say they focused on them, its just that the casual were buying the games).

If by some chance MS isnt making a bunch of core games next gen it means the core market is no longer profitable anymore.
OldSnakePS3  +   545d ago
PS4 will the the hardcore console next gen with sony making new core ips left and right this gen (just look @ this year)

WiiU will have nintendo exclusives and and barely any 3rd party support

Xbox3 will have kinect and halo/gearz/fable/forza and prolly a lot of timed exclusive dlc

sorry core xbox fans, M$ has abandoned you again

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