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Submitted by timbow1982 1105d ago | opinion piece

The Trouble With.....The Legend of Zelda

Following the announcement of the Windwaker HD and the eventual Zelda HD, Reuben asks if Nintendo rely too much on the adventures of Link. (Nintendo, The Legend Of Zelda: The Wind Waker, Wii U)

miyamoto  +   1105d ago
its just the beginning

Ocarina of Time 3DS HD
Majora's Mask HD
Twilight Princess HD
Skyward Sword HD

not bad though
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PopRocks359  +   1105d ago
To be fair, it takes a while for each iteration to come out. Having an HD remake inbetween doesn't seem too awful to me, especially when you consider the Wii's rather stark wait times in terms of software release dates.
Summons75  +   1105d ago
they even said that in the Nintendo Direct. Zelda WW HD to be playable while we wait for the next big title, really not all that bad. Veteran players will get to enjoy the game again and new generation of kids that didn't have a gamecube or play it before can have to chance too.
NukaCola  +   1105d ago
Nintendo almost completely scratched the toonshading to the point it's not even the same game. As I like the screens, I would of really loved to see the vibrant colors in high definition. Even though, this looks like a Crytec polish on the Wind Waker format, it's bothering me they did this. The one thing about WW is they used a form of cellshading that no one has been able to master. It's one of a kind like Okami. Still getting it. Also, I wonder how long we are going to wait for a new Zelda title. Sounds like it's going to be huge, or maybe they haven't even started one yet and are buying time.
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Slapshot82  +   1105d ago
It relies too heavily on both The Legend of Zelda, just as it does with Mario Kart and Super Mario Bros. as well.

It's not that I don't adore these games - I've been playing them for over 25 years - but Nintendo has absolutely burned me out on these franchises over the past 5-6 years. So much so that I haven't even purchased a Wii U yet and the recent Nintendo Direct didn't alleviate this feeling either: more Super Mario Bros.; more Mario Kart; more The Legend of Zelda - really?

Didn't I just finish Super Mario 3D Land? Didn't we just get Mario Kart 7? Didn't I just spend 40 hours within The Legend of Zelda: The Ocarina of Time 3D? Didn't we just get New Super Mario Bros. 2 (which I couldn't even finish)? And didn't New Super Mario Bros. U just release on the Wii U?

The problem is, outside of Super Mario 3D Land, none of these recent titles bring along the major improvement from one release to the next in the way that Nintendo used to be known for, and SM3DL only does this slightly. For example: Super Mario World - Super Mario 64 - Super Mario Sunshine - Super Mario Galaxy. With each game, the wait from one to the next is extensive, but when you finally got your hands on it - it was mind-blowing awesome. Major improvements and new gameplay gimmicks/ideas that weren't available in previous titles made each new release fresh and exciting. I mean, you HAD to have it! But now, slight improvement and rehashed gameplay - yes Nintendo, you have some of the best franchises in the world, but the trying to fill the third party support void with more Mario and Zelda is only going to wear us out on "Nintendo."

For me, this has sadly already happened.
Benjaminkno  +   1105d ago
You devoted a good 20 minutes of your time expressing disappointment in to something you feel worn out about. I doubt your sincerity as far as being "concerned" about the prospect of world wide "WiiUselessness"; when your comment is really about what happens to their competitors if WiiU is even "half" as successful as Wii was.

I suppose living in fear would be a bit more sad, wouldn't you say?
jacksheen0000  +   1105d ago

I couldn't agree more, Nintendo need to break away from their turtle shell and make some new IP's.
TruthbeTold  +   1105d ago
You say that as though you are COMPELLED to buy Wind Waker HD, and Mario Kart for both 3DS and Wii U, etc. Ever try not buying a game, or waiting on it if you feel like it's too soon?

Just because you may be sick of something doesn't mean that the next person is. From Nintendo's standpoint, the only thing they can do to make sure everyone is satisfied is to keep releasing games, and trusting YOU to only buy the ones that you want or are ready for.

It's really not that complicated.
Slapshot82  +   1102d ago
Actually, I haven't bought Mario Kart 7 for the 3DS and I rented NSMB2, as I knew it was something that would very likely not hold my interest for very long.

But thanks for trying to twist my non-biased comment into one that is. This (sadly) has become a typical thing as of late. I use the same screen name here as I do most everywhere else (and have done so for years) - Google my screen name and "Nintendo" and you'll see just how much of a Nintendo bias that I don't have.

And to reply to your failed twist - my comment still holds true. Firstly, it's my personal opinion, which should finalize it then and there, but it also holds true because the Wii U's big upcoming titles that we know of are titles that have all recently had similar releases. Ask yourself this: why would I spend $400 to buy a Wii U if I'm not interested in another Super Mario, Mario Kart or The Legend of Zelda title with the current line-up?

I'm not and I most certainly wasn't speaking for 'everyone' - I made it perfectly clear that I was only speaking for myself. But fanboyism is blind and they go around Disagreeing with everyone who doesn't share their personal taste.
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khowat  +   1105d ago
I have been hearing a lot of hate surrounding how much nintendo relies on certain franchises and how they seem to be getting tired and boring and how nintendo isn't willing to take risks and make some new IPs but what I think nintendo is trying to do is to keep their franchises the same but gear them to a new generation. Mario hasn't changed all that much when you look at only the sidescrolling mario games but I know kids that still love Mario because for them it isn't tiring it isn't stale it's just as new as the first mario game ever created for them and the same goes for LoZ. Of course it would be awesome for nintendo to release some new IPs but can you really blame them for using system-sellers to try and sell systems. They are using their most iconic IPs that are already tried and true to try and sell their unusual console. I think it would dumb for them to release anything that is uncertain whether or not it will sell because the wii u isn't certain to sell. I think that the wiiu doesn't even have to sell well but just be more stable and we might see some reboots of iconic franchises, and you know we've seen some peaks from nintendo showing that they support more than just mario and zelda. The wii u has been out for 2 months and it seems they are going to support a lot more indie games and not to mention operation rainfall on wii and the new monolith studios game for wii u. Bayonetta 2 will be a wii u exclusive and luigi's mansion dark moon on 3ds show that we might see some of the awesome games that were on the gamecube. Right now, I'm happy that nintendo is showing that they can take a gamecube game and make it look 100x better because that might mean a lot in the future for the wii u. We might even see f-zero gx remake or a pokemon xd type thing coming to wii u and fingers crossed metriod prime wii u. Yes at the moment nintendo is relying heavily on mario and zelda mainly mario because the wii u is an iffy console. But if they get that sorted out and return to dominance or give up and realize that they're not gonna win this gen and release a bunch of creative takes on old franchises and a lot of new titles two. Nintendo's last really new ip was pikmin which was 10 years ago.
Benjaminkno  +   1105d ago
Does Nintendo rely too much on Zelda?

Like Microsoft and Sony rely too much on Nintendo...

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tehpees3  +   1105d ago
Hate again? I love Zelda. I think its good they are using it.

@ Jacksheen There is a new IP that just came out. Its called Nintendo Land. Just because it doesn't appeal to you doesn't mean it isn't a new IP.
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Jagsrock  +   1105d ago
If NIntendo holds back zelda, people are like "oh that's cool but it's not zelda, thats what I want to see". Nintendo releases more zelda and now people are are like "OMG nintendo stop with all the zelda, give us new IP ". I see no problem with it especially since it's really not that much when you actually sit down and look at it in terms of home consoles there was 1 true wii zelda game, 2 gamecube zelda games, 2 n64 zelda games all this is in the stretch of 13 years. That is hardly too much, and each iteration brought something fresh to the table. The Wii U is nintendo's NEW console of course they want to establish One of their main franchises on it early,it's good business and it's what people who buy wii u's want to see. I mean look at the Wii we waited 5 years since the launch of the wii to get our first true built from the ground up wii title. Nintendo is simply getting a head start this time around. And in terms of people complaining about mario kart, there is 1 mario kart for each nintendo system no more no less, it's fun, popular and that's why they keep making them. It blow my mind that people want nintendo to ditch the franchises that make them who they are especially when it's not as if the quality of their main IP's has faltered any either.
LordHiggens  +   1105d ago
Yes they do...I would like to see Zelda go a completely different direction...less cartoony/happy/fantasy more dark and serious. I mean the original fans of Zelda have grown up, perhaps it's time for the game to as well.
Llaucian  +   1105d ago
I never really understand this excuse for why a series needs to change. Zelda is a series in which each game has its own distinct flavor and if they decide to make it cartoony, all the more power to them. I don't need every game I play to be deadly serious.

I guess I never lost my ability to enjoy things for what they were, whether that was cartoon/happy or dark and serious. It only matters that the tone is done well, and Zelda excels at that. Not trying to offend you, it's just seriously something I never was able to grasp.
ElectricKaibutsu  +   1105d ago
They already tried dark with Twilight Princess. I've seen some people on n4g say it was their favorite Zelda art style. I would suggest those people go back and play it. It is brown. Brown and boring. It's the only Zelda art style that doesn't hold up to the tests of time. I doubt Nintendo will make that mistake again.

I do think Zelda could have some darker elements. The redeads in Ocarina of Time for example freaked me out as a kid. I still don't like them that much even now :). But they could do that with a style similar to Skyward Sword.
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Knight_Crawler  +   1105d ago
I am die hard Zelda fan but TBH the game needs a timeline.
bullymangLer  +   1105d ago
the only prob with zelda games is . . is i dont want to KEEP BEING ANNOUNCED that i just "found a red rupee" . over and over and over everytime i come back to play the games . . ffuhhh .
Warj  +   1105d ago
An interesting article that brings up a good point. We love to see the next Zelda. For many it is the primary reason they purchase a Nintendo console and wait through the many dry spells.

But Nintendo does always use it as bait. They always say 'we're working on it.' Even if (like possibly Skyward Sword), it is a lie only used to prevent riots. I think the sad part is we keep falling for it. We get annoyed and fed up with how Nintendo does business... and then they just have to say they are working on a new title. They only have to mention it or show a single picture and we start yapping happily.

I wouldn't say Nintendo is reliant on Zelda. I would say they just know how to keep us quiet so they can spend time focusing on other easier projects that can line their pockets, but keep us hooked.
ElectricKaibutsu  +   1105d ago
Every Zelda has been one of the best games I've ever played. I don't mind them taking their time.
CouldHaveYelledUiiW  +   1105d ago
Zelda isn't over used so,

The HD version of WW is not that important to me but their have been many people begging for it. Even some people making their own Homemade builds (see Youtube)
So, Nintendo is just giving them what they want.

Need? No.
Want? Why not do it for the fans.
ToonLank  +   1105d ago
...whats the problem? Nintendo is a business they need to survive so the smart thing to do is to sell what people want, which is zelda games! They dont crank them out fast enough in my opinion.

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