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Submitted by legendoflex 1113d ago | opinion piece

Loyal Nintendo Customers Should be Upset That They’re Being Charged Again for VC Games

GenGAME writes: "While Wii U owners who transferred their Virtual Console games over from Wii have to pay an extra $1 to upgrade their NES games and $1.50 to upgrade their SNES games to Wii U versions, Wii U Virtual Console games purchased for the first time will cost the same as their Wii counterparts. That means $5 for most NES games and $8 for most SNES games – there won’t be an added cost for the added Wii U features.

"That may seem good and well… but there’s something wrong with this picture. Why are loyal customers paying more money to play their digital Virtual Console catalog on Wii U? I think people who are being asked to pay the “loyal customer upgrade fee” should be very, very angry with Nintendo." (Virtual Console, Wii, Wii U)

IAMERROR  +   1113d ago
yeah it sucks but it's optional and they still have access to them.
ABizzel1  +   1113d ago
If $1 is not that big of a deal, then it shouldn't have been that big of a deal to Nintendo, and they should have upgraded them for free, or better yet, it's expected that those games should have worked with the Wii-U since it's main selling point is the tablet controller being able to play games away from the TV.

You don't charge people to replay something they already bought DIGITALLY, because your new console has a new feature, that really does nothing to change the original game.

But it's what I expect from Nintendo. They're so far behind the online and digital curb that I'm thankful of everything MS and Sony have been able to do thus far.

Is it really that much to let people re-download the game for free.
PopRocks359  +   1113d ago
Coding a game to run on new hardware with a new OS is not as simple as you make it sound. There's a reason some Windows 95 software will not "just work" on the latest Windows OS. It takes time and money; forward compatibility is no different.

Now keep in mind you're paying less than $2 for being able to run the game on the Wii U's standard OS without having to launch Wii mode, you can customize the controls to your liking AND you can play these games on the gamepad. And on one is forcing you to pay for it; if you're content with just playing it in the Wii mode, they let you do that.

Why should I be angry about that? Besides, didn't Sony do something similar with PSP games in Japan and more expensively? Why is it only bad when Nintendo does it, even when it's this cheap?
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ABizzel1  +   1113d ago
Coding has nothing to do with it. Nintendo knew going forward they wanted the Wii-U to continue Virtual Console, so they should have made preparations to get these games up and running on the Wii-U, not give you a Wii version and a Wii-U version. Forward compatibility is pointless without Forward thinking.

And on top of the The Wii-U uses nearly identical hardware that the Wii and Gamecube used, thus coding was a non-issue. The CPU is exactly the same since the Gamecube. The Wii CPU was the 1.5x the Gamecube's CPU, and the Wii-U is 3x the Wii's CPU. The GPU is obviously more powerful and can easily run any of those old games, which are likely running on emulators to begin with.

You can't tell me it took NIntendo tons of work coding, because they're using the same freaking hardware. Nintendo is getting away with this, because their audience are generally Younger Gamers looking for Mario & Pokemon, and the fans who've been around since NES who'll praise everything they do.

If you don't understand technology or programming then you would assume that, but I do, and I know all this is BS. The only thing they did was code data to stream, and add new controls, but new controls are pointless unless it unless they added touch controls which agains is pointless.
ABizzel1  +   1113d ago
As I said the whole selling point of the Wii-U is HD graphics and streaming content to the controller. You shouldn't have to re-buy your content to stream it to the controller. Nintendo should have just let you re-download the games.

You and the others can disagree all you want, but in the end my intent is to look out for the gamers and not to bash Nintendo. I loved Nintendo and they were my favorite back in the SNES and N64 era. I loved my Gamecube as well although the PS2 was better IMO. It was PS2, Gamecube, then Xbox for me. The Wii I hated, because I bought it day 1 and after beating Twilight Princess, beating Excite Truck, playing Wii Sports to death, getting Wii Play for the extra controller I was pissed there was NOTHING to play until Melee.

I'm happy with everything Nintendo has shown thus far with the Wii-U and I think it could be a great console with the right support, but every time Nintendo takes 3 steps forward they take a leap back from some of the most rage inducing business decisions.

This isn't a major one, but NIntendo could have easily allowed people to re-download the games. WHY WOULD YOU CHARGE A DOLLAR ($1) FOR THIS YET CHARGE THE SAME PRICE FOR PEOPLE BUYING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME AS WHAT THE ORIGINAL WII OWNERS PAIED FOR. It makes no sense, and it's just a bad business decision for people keeping your console business going for 20+ years. Only core gamers have bought library's worth of games on the Virtual Console, so don't do them like that.

And as far as Sony and the PSP went, there was no other way to get people who bought RETAIL COPIES (NOT DIGITAL) of their games to get a digital version so they charged them to transfer the retail copies to digital versions. IMO they shouldn't have did it at all, but those who wanted it had the option, and if Sony just let them do it for free then they could have easily went to their Gamestop equivalent bought tons of used copies, and downloaded digital versions for free in which case Sony would have received NO PROFIT for their games.

But look at Sony now, PS1 games work on PSP, PS Vita, and PS3 all 3 very different architectures but you don't have to par a $1 fee for every time you want to move the game to another system.

What Nintendo is doing is BS, and as a gamer I don't want to see no one get screwed over by a company. When there's a sale going on I'm there posting it in the comment section especially if I find a better deal. That's all I'm doing here. If I didn't care I'd wouldn't comment and be like WTF ever it's not my money. But I do, so when I feel someone is doing wrong I'm going to call them on it.
Root  +   1113d ago

Oh come off it man, why should people have to pay again. Seriously thats not cool

I know you like to stick up for Nintendo when ever you can but isn't one of those times.
kreate  +   1112d ago
I bought startcraft back in 1997. It worked on windows 95,98,2000,XP,me,vista, and w a workaround, works on win7.

I didn't pay anything except back in 1997.
Right now is 2013. I still play it from time to time.

Sony doesn't charge to re-download digital games.
PSP deal was converting a physical umd to digital.
PopRocks359  +   1112d ago

Because Sony simply let you transfer your PSP games to your Vita for free, right? Oh right, they didn't. Only Japan got that offer (which was not free, by the way) and fans in the West got jack.

And by the way, you're not buying the game over again, you're paying for the upgrade. You have the option of playing it free in Wii mode. But hey, facts don't matter, right?
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Dark_king  +   1112d ago
People like getting ripped off it seems.They haven't had to do anything to the actually games.Just the emulator.
dedicatedtogamers  +   1113d ago
The moment the Virtual Console came out for the Wii (and later, the DS), Nintendo should have done the right thing by giving us an account system. It's that simple. I have a large number of PS1 games on my PSN account that I can play on my PSP, my PS3, and on my PS Vita, all without re-buying any of them.
Yodagamer  +   1113d ago
You paying for an upgraded feature set, it's not like you have to upgrade to the wii u version. Considering the fact they have to go through the esrb it's adds cost, wish nintendo would just make their own to make it cheaper kinda like apple did, but idk if they're allowed to.
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majiebeast  +   1113d ago
No reason for it to cost money sony didnt charge ppl for ps1 games on vita with fully customizable control scheme.
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edgeofsins  +   1113d ago
That is a bit different. It wasn't messing with the PS1 games themselves and the Vita kinda needed that so you could find what is suited better for it since it has no R2 or L2 by default.
Yodagamer  +   1113d ago
Tbh the vita needs those customizable controls to be functionally playable for alot of ps1 game. The wii u on the other hand does not need the extra features. That's the difference, you pay for the extra functions that people want, not need.
Summons75  +   1113d ago
Oh a whole doller to add gamepad off screen tv support and miiverse, don't think I payed for those when I bought the wii version. Anyway, gAmeboy advanced on the virtual console tickled my fancy, hope they launch that section with Pokemon fire red and leaf green.
RandomEclipse  +   1113d ago
A dollar for aditional features doesn't seem that upsetting at all. If you don't want to pay the buck, then don't.

This artlicle headline is misleading because it makes it seem like you have to buy the games you already bought from the store over again, and this is false. You are just buying the upgraded features.
mrbojingles  +   1113d ago
It costs money to work in the Wii U features, therefore it costs money to get them.

Let's just tell Nintendo to spend millions of dollars inserting these features into 300+ games for free right? I'm not a fan of this charge but $1 or so is not bad.
legendoflex  +   1113d ago
So it should cost me the same amount of money to get those features as anyone else.

Not $1 more in net costs.
mrbojingles  +   1112d ago
I don't get it, do you actually have a problem with paying hard-working people who are updating the 300+ (hopefully) log of VC games, when they really don't even have to, $1 for some new features? So those people don't deserve any money, any reward? It isn't as simple as slapping a rom on a store. Sure, these people are making new games or doing anything incredibly unique, just updating old stuff but that still takes time, money, and energy
tehpees3  +   1113d ago
They aren't forcing you to buy them. Either buy them or don't.
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sitharrefus  +   1113d ago
Yes they need to make the 3DS and Wii U one account, i don't understand why 3DS games are being shipped with the Nintendo Network Logo when their its not being unified with the Wii U Account Networks. It would be awesome to transfer VC Games from my wii u to my 3ds like Sony does with the Vita, i will not pay again for VC games i bought already......
gpturbo81  +   1113d ago
another "do it for the hits, bitch" article
Thepcz  +   1113d ago
yeah, shit article .
... doesnt even get the facts right. or rather, gets them right, but chooses to present them in a sensational way. obviously to get hits and create flame.

Technical World  +   1113d ago
While it kind of sucks yeah and I'd definitely prefer to get them for free I see what they're doing. You can play you're old Wii Virtual Console games on your Wii U already, just in Wii mode. If you want the Miiverse, game saves, and control options then you have to pay the dollar. I don't think it's that bad of a deal. What does suck is that you can't do the same if you own them on the 3DS. If I own a Virtual Console game on my 3DS too I don't see why I should pay five dollars again to get it on my Wii U I should get the reduced price.
kirbyu  +   1113d ago
It's 1 buck. What's the big deal?
azshorty2003  +   1113d ago
$1 X how many games?

If I had bought VC games, I'd be pissed if I had to pay again to transfer them. I already bought them, they're mine.
Nevers0ft  +   1112d ago
You CAN transfer purchases from a Wii and play them in vWii mode for free - or you can pay $1 for the Wii U upgrade. They're not locking you out of your Wii purchases.
mshope10  +   1113d ago
yeah im so mad nintendo!you let me transfer all my wiiware and virtual console games from my wii to my wii u for free!

and now alot of those same virtual console games will be sold on the wii u's virtual console recoded to display in full hd and have off tv play so they will cost a little more to buy now.

but wait i have to pay a 1 or 1.50 to add features and move from 480p to 1080 p wow so i have to spend $20 to update 20 games and make them better!

how dare you nintendo! how dare you spend money and work hard to make the virtual console better in hd and then make me spend a dollar to update.

you could of made us rebuy everything at full price for hd sense you let us move them to wii u for free.but instead we have to pay a whole doller or dollar fifty.

dont you know us gamers are hardcore crybabies and we want everything for free and we want it now.or you will get a big hissy fit online mark my words!

we can cry like you never seen!
kirbyu  +   1113d ago
Yes, but you don't gain Gamepad use.
Knushwood Butt  +   1112d ago
Make games, 'better'?

How's that?
mshope10  +   1112d ago
its add's suspend points,HD resolutions 720p,1080i,1080p
off TV play,many different control options,and miiverse support so you can share screenshots with high scores.

but if I don't need Any of that I can just keep my vc games on my wii u for free and just play them in wii mode for free!

so let me ask you a question do you even have a wii u or are you like the million other crybabies on this site who cry about stuff that has nothing to do with them?

I think I know the answer.but if you do give me your nnid.and I'll believe you have one.
Dark_king  +   1112d ago
mshope10 funny all of that you already paid for when you bought the system.Nothing has been changed within the actually games.Its all done on the emulator an that came with the system.At least know when your being ripped off.
Knushwood Butt  +   1112d ago
No, I don't have a Wii U.

Just wondering if you were one of the, 'million crybabies', that defended the Wii's graphics by claiming graphics don't matter, then go on to say that HD versions of the same games are, 'better'.

So, which is it?
mshope10  +   1111d ago
are you stupid? the graphics on the vc games are the same. just better resolution so it looks cleaner on a HD TV.

and yeah I loved my wii but I also had a 360.

but graphics don't matter it's the game and what it's about that makes it good.

I own a HD TV I just want my games to look right on it.

but why do you care? your the crybaby bitch crying about shit that's has nothing to do with you.
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Knushwood Butt  +   1111d ago
You listed HD resolutions as a reason for making the games, 'better', then went on to say that, 'graphics don't matter'.
mshope10  +   1110d ago
you don't even know the difference wow just wow.

Nintendo fans please read this and my other comments with this person so you can see what kind of people we have to defend Nintendo against.

buddy I'm just going to leave you alone cause you don't get it.
KillerPwned  +   1113d ago
Its a dollar and with the features that come with it I think its completely worth it. Also don't forget up until June 30 cent game every month!
DivineAssault  +   1113d ago
bogus but whatever.. Im not giving them a damn cent unless i absolutely have to play on the gamepad alone.. Which i dont cuz i have my own tv
mochachino  +   1113d ago
I think Wii U would benefit from a PSN Plus type service.
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TheBardsSong  +   1112d ago
Me too. PS+ is the best subscription service on consoles right now.
Qrphe  +   1113d ago
Let us not play dumb, regardless of whether Nintendo has excuse to charge for this, we all know this should be free.
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Stroke666  +   1113d ago
Oh boy I just kno trolls are going to take this a run with it but here it goes anyway. I do not agree with this decision by nintendo. I've owned every nintendo system since NES, but this is no bueno. Dont get me wrong, a buck is not a lot to pay however, that buck makes it so im paying more for the game than someone who ignored the wii for the last seven years. Its principle, the game is an upgraded version of what i've already bought, just like my wii u is an upgraded version of what i already bought. it didnt have some of the components it now has out the box i downloaded an upgrade to be able to use the hareware to its fullest. the same should apply to the vc games. I don't see good reason in me having to pay a buck more for a game to have it function as it should have since i unboxed my wii u on launch weekend. this is actually my first real complaint with nintendo in all these years i'm usually very understanding of their decisions, but this one kinda blows. I am not going to be repurchasing any of my vc library. Honestly right now I question whether I'll purchase anything on vc again. I can't help but wonder, 5-6 years down the line am I going to be paying for this again. However this is not a deal breaker, still love my wii u, i'm actually using it with this response. great games and more to come. I'm pretty sure this will be sorted out by the time wii u vc is fully up and running.
TheBardsSong  +   1112d ago
Are you really, though? You can already transfer all of them to your Wii U, you just have to play them in Wii mode.

Would I like them to be free when they're released again on the Wii U VC? Yes. Am I mad about paying a measly dollar for gamepad support? No.

If they charged full price again that would be a much different story...
stragomccloud  +   1112d ago
This really does rub me the wrong way.
And, I don't think a lot of the games are worth the asking price anyway. 5 for Legend of Zelda.... sure. 5 for Balloon fight? No way. ..and yes I am aware that it is on sale right now.
wiiulee  +   1112d ago
lol..of course if you're not a loyal nintendo customer or even own a wiiu then your opinion and hate doesnt really matter.....the price of the games are not high and the 1 dollar shouldnt be no big deal when nintendo is allowing you to play these games with the gamepad for all nintendo is doing thats the least they can charge...when sony and microsoft charge an arm and leg for anything they do....especially microsoft with their online systems..and i never see any article about that their loyal fans should revolt...haters.

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