Submitted by Lionheart377 992d ago | opinion piece

Will the PlayStation 4 and Xbox 720 be enough?

StickSkills said, "But as stated before, things have changed since the Xbox 360 first entered our hearts (and major retail outlets) in 2005. Today’s economic circumstances won’t easily allow U.S. buyers to drop several hundred dollars on a machine that simply makes the sweat rolling off Green Bay Packer Greg Jennings’ brow that much more realistic. The “need” to purchase a new, $500 phone every other year that contains thousands of free applications also makes a console with a similar price tag a difficult sell." (Call of Duty: Black Ops 2, Industry, Microsoft, PS3, Sony, Xbox 360)

Ezz2013  +   992d ago
pc/ps4 for me will be enough when ever next gen come out

i will not buy the nextbox untill i see new ips from MS
when it come to exclusives
since 2008 MS dropped the ball big time
while sony took the ball and run with it

and they must make the online free
live have nothing over psn
live give you party chat
psn+ give you games
i will always go with psn because what it offer for free and when i pay for psn+
i get tons and tons of games
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Enemy  +   992d ago
Taking the entirety of Sony's 1st party support into the consideration, I'll agree that PC/PS4 will be the way to go next gen. Microsoft will have to try harder than just Gears of Halo and Kinect to get my attention.
BlindGuardian  +   992d ago
no, I want more: Dreamcast 2 and Jaguar 2, and maybe a new Neo geo

my thirst for consoles can not be quenched with just two!!!
UnholyLight  +   991d ago
If you think Microsoft isnt going to have a bunch of new IPs for the Nextbox then you are fucking stupid LOL. Its quite blatantly obvious that Microsoft has spent the last couple years working on their new IPs for the Nextbox. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out. I for one WILL adopt a Nextbox as soon as it is out because Bungie's Destiny game will begin exclusively on the Nextbox likely. Microsoft has treated me very well the last 7 years even though some people may not agree. My best experience has been with the Xbox 360.

I will be purchasing a PS4 when it comes out too. I don't want to miss out on another Killzone game!!! Other than titles like Killzone and LBP and Socom I haven't found the PS exclusives to be that great. In my opinion I prefer my Forzas and Halos and Gears to the multiple meh exclusives PS3 had this gen.

Downvotes begin...Im not a fanboy, I just feel that Microsoft has treated me well, and with their rewards program I have been getting a couple hundred microsoft points back on each purchase plus 2% back due to my gamerscore. It's actually really nice.
GribbleGrunger  +   992d ago
Well baring in mind that my PS3 is still enough, I'll be more than happy with what the PS4 or 720 has to offer.
shivvy24  +   991d ago
from games ms is offering Halo Gears Forza and ..... yea , Cant wait for PS4 !!
solid_warlord  +   991d ago
well i really hope $ony wins next gen with continued offering of free PSN and on par with xbox live which at the moment is vastly superier. I own both systems and before u call me a fanboy, I would like to confess that i hate M$, i hate there new ugly dashboard and there new windows8 and windows phone is so ugly and hate the fact its been forced upon our throat.

Now, let me be honest... most of the PS3 exclusives are nasty. Xbox has the best overall such as Gears, Halo and Forza franchises. They are worth all PS3 exclusives combined, no offence. Thats my view. I feel they have allot of exclusives with bad games.

Gears, Halo and Forza are brilliant games. The only game i actually enjoyed on PS3 was uncharted and that in my view is in my top 3 best ranked single player game this gen. MGS4 was the reason i brought a PS3, that turned out to be disappointing.

Games like Killzone were average shooters, God of War is a hack and slash and i personly, hate hack and slash. Im more of a shooter fan, lets face it...most of console gamers are these days.

I played the heavy rain demo, the single biggest worst game i have ever played this gen. The games a joke. Its felt like a pre rendered game with no gameplay.

The game im most looking forward to on PS3 is Last of US. Im waiting for that game before i sell my PS3 to save money on next gen console. Sell them before they go down in value.
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UnholyLight  +   991d ago
Hey Solid_Warlord, I FULLY expect that PSN and Xbox Live (especially Xbox Live) will be getting some serious revolutionary tweaking to the services. With the money pooling in from Subscriptions it seems a no brainer to me that the services, benefits, and subscriptions we see today all will be vastly different when the next gen hits.
Belking  +   992d ago
Xbox will be enough for me. The rumored hardware specs says it will be something special and i'm 99% sure it will launch first anyway.
DudeJets  +   992d ago
Yes it will be enough unless you wanna spend 600 quid 800 dollars on a new console

All the rumoured specs are ok. They don't need to be higher its not cost effective.
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iNathan  +   992d ago
Im buying Xbox 1st
If Ps4 proves any good, im buying Ps4 after.
Riderz1337  +   991d ago
Sony has already proved that they can continually bring out fresh new IP's due to their large variety of first party studios. Good examples of this are brand new IP's being introduced so late into the gen (The Last of Us and Beyond) plus the occasional sequel to some of the greatest games of this gen (God of War Ascension). Microsoft should be the one with something to prove since they constantly release Gears of War, Halo and Forza titles. Plus the abundance of Kinect titles which I doubt you even care about.
BitbyDeath  +   992d ago
Yes, people seem to forget that console specs vs pc specs do not equal the same games being outputted.

eg. How many PC games do you know that can run the likes of God of War 3 with only 512MB of ram?
die_fiend  +   992d ago
Shhhh pc gamers don't like u pointing that out!
aquamala  +   992d ago
GoW3 looks damn good, but if it's on PC it will have much better visuals like most multi plats do, if you are a fan of the game wouldn't you like to see the game in 1080P, and better frame rate? but you won't see that until you buy the game again next gen, ie when "full HD edition" come out on PS4.
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BitbyDeath  +   992d ago
Not saying it couldn't look better on PC.
I'm saying if PC were spec'd the same as PS3 it could not run GoW3 (because of OS and other apps dragging it down)

So why argue if it's enough when it is not the same by comparison?
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Computersaysno  +   991d ago
I don't know what your point is though in terms of these new consoles. I am sure they will provide good visuals. However all the rumoured specs point to them being some way off the pace of current top end PC hardware. Let alone the latest and greatest PC gear that will launch before new consoles do this year and push the boat out further.

Sure optimisation is a big advantage to the consoles, but in the past they have always eventually lost to sheer raw power and brute force of more modern PC hardware.

The difference NOW however lies in the fact these new consoles will start out with a bigger power deficiency against top end PC hardware than most of the ones prior.

For example when 360 launched it was genuinely quite fast compared to the PC hardware of the day. It's GPU was right up there in terms of performance. Xenos was no slouch in 2005- its performance and size is often compared to real top end cards of the time like a geforce 7900 or Radeon X1800.

From what we are being told the likes of Durango as in the next Xbox isn't remotely comparable to top end PC hardware unlike its predecessor.

You're talking lower midrange graphical hardware in said console. You're talking if you own a good gaming PC right NOW, it probably already easily outstrips the raw performance of Durango in a way that PC hardware didn't until a whole year after Xbox 360 launched!

In short 360's hardware was considerably superior to what was available to PC gamers as close as just 9 months before it launched. Whereas Durango hardware looks like it is considerably inferior to PC hardware out over a year before it!

Optimisation will be a big advantage to consoles as it always has been. Just don't expect that out the box brand new consoles will still be able to get close to potentially a year old PC on the same multi platform game

Those days are almost certainly history.
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BitbyDeath  +   991d ago
'For example when 360 launched it was genuinely quite fast compared to the PC hardware of the day.'

Crysis came out in 2007 and neither the PS3 nor 360 is up with that. Even PC has been unable to top it 6 years later.
Computersaysno  +   991d ago
"Crysis came out in 2007 (November 2007) and neither the PS3 (out a year before) nor 360 (2 years before) is up with that. Even PC has been unable to top it 6 years (you mean just over 5) later."

This reply shows you know nothing about the topic you are trying to comment on nor are you capable of forming a comment actually relevant to the topic we are commenting on, which is a new generation of consoles.

Crysis is relevant to new consoles how? Or the old ones? Crysis came out 2 years after Xbox 360 (and therefore this console generation began). And??? What is your point here with this game? Crysis (on maximum) was originally designed for hardware superior to Xbox 360 and PS3, which should be obvious as it came out several years later......

You bringing up Crysis is actually a strong reinforcement for my point. Because it came out 2 years after 360's hardware, 360 at that point being no longer top end. Durango's supposed specs is already at least 2 years out of date compared to high end PC hardware right now.

As for the "even PC has been unable to top it 6 years later"

Crysis came out 5 years and 2 months ago.

Secondly, of course it has been topped.

Now would be a good time to stop waffling out a bunch of irrelevant crap that is plainly misinformed.
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vulcanproject  +   991d ago
'You're talking if you own a good gaming PC right NOW, it probably already easily outstrips the raw performance of Durango'


It would outstrip the specs outlined recently so much that even with the low overheads consoles are blessed with wouldn't produce games that existing gaming PC couldn't run the same or better even with the overhead advantage considered.

If the nextbox is roughly a Radeon 7770 as has been outlined it is just so much slower than a 7870 for example in a gaming PC, PC would have little trouble matching and exceeding that with existing midrange graphics cards.

A 7870 is at least 40 percent faster than the GPU in the spec we saw for the nextbox. Thats just far too much for mere low console overheads to make up.
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die_fiend  +   992d ago
But it's not on pc. Meaning you just made a completely pointless post. Kinda like this one
Allsystemgamer  +   992d ago
Ou forget that console games are optimized for low ram. PC doesn't have that problem as most PCs these days have between 6-16 gigs of ram....
Hicken  +   991d ago
I think that's his point.

While the lack of RAM means consoles can't necessarily do what PCs can, the truth is that it would take a PC MORE RAM to do what a console can do. Optimization is the reason, and it is for that reason that you can't really compare PC and console performance.
aquamala  +   992d ago
oh and having only 512MB of RAM is exactly the reason why current gen console games can't do 1080P. why else would the same games on PC run on much higher resolution?
Pandamobile  +   992d ago
RAM is a pretty pointless metric to go by, considering it's often the cheapest component in the system, and typically has the least impact on graphics.

2 GB of RAM in a PC similarly spec'd to an Xbox 360 or PS3 could easily run a game with GOW3's graphics at 720p30 if the game was designed specifically for that low end hardware.
doogiebear  +   991d ago
Yep especially because Directx is so limiting.
Pandamobile  +   991d ago
Gamer39  +   992d ago
Witcher 3 coming this graphics next-gen:

Enough for me.
JANF  +   992d ago
I'll probably buy the both. And depending how good the new Zelda and Metroid are i probably end up buying Nintendo Wii U also.
Dlacy13g  +   992d ago
For most either will be more than enough
lfclee  +   991d ago
Who knows the gpu is not going to be a giant leap .
TheBardsSong  +   991d ago
People question this at the beginning of every new gen of gaming, and we're always proven wrong. I don't think that's going to change.

I think it's ridiculous to even think a gamer would rather spend $500 on a phone instead of a buying a Durango or Orbis. Completely different markets, and no we really don't need to upgrade phones every year...
DEATHxTHExKIDx  +   991d ago
For me they will be enough. i owned a PS3/360 this gen and it was the perfect combo.
Kaiou  +   991d ago
To be honest i can't wait for next gen so that developers can finally unleash the true potential of the PC too.
doogiebear  +   991d ago
Yeah...more expensive budgets for games = publishers taking less risk at innovative games. Gee, next gen is so full of promise -_-
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black911  +   991d ago
Just PS4 for me next Gen.
MysticStrummer  +   991d ago
PS1, 2, and 3 were enough for me. Don't see why PS4 wouldn't be enough for me too.
urwifeminder  +   991d ago
Pc and xbox for me the competition doesnt rate at all.
StreetsofRage  +   991d ago
720 and ps4 for me. Sony does have some quantity but that doesn't mean it's good. Microsoft has the quality. Hate all you want but Halo, Forza, and Gears is the best of its respective genre. I'll pick this 3 headed dragon over all the regular sony exclusives any day.

All Stars? Nope! LBP Karting? LOL! Another fail. Twisted Metal? I miss the ps2 days when it was actually fun. Starhawk? Another exclusive that people hyped up but nobody cared after.

I bought around a 100 games for my 360 this gen and only a around 10 for the ps3 this gen. Ni No will be the first exclusive that I'm buying for my ps3 since Uncharted 3.

And if the recent rumors are true, the next xbox will be the superior machine by far with the insane amount of Ram.
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shivvy24  +   991d ago
"sony does have some quantity but that doesn't mean it's good"

are u serious?
Uncharted ? God of War ? Killzone ? Resistance ? Infamous ? Gran Turismo ? Heavy Rain ? The Last of Us ? Beyond 2 souls ? Ratchet and Clank Future ? and shitloads i havent mentioned
saint_seya  +   991d ago
Yeah.. Has been proved by all the review sites, and gamers alike that sony only have fail games /s
Just uncharted has more awards and better scores than all those x-box exclusives, then u have so many games on ps3 with over 90% average score that are ps3 exclusives.... but yeah w/e floats your boat ;)
Lvl_up_gamer  +   991d ago
I agree. If the rumors are right that MS will release a blu-ray player in the 720, then I am just going to skip the PS4. I mainly use my PS3 for Blu-ray movie playbacks. If the 720 has a Blu-ray player, then there is no need for a PS4 for me.

Not a single game on the PS3 this gen to me was worth me buying the PHAT unit at launch.

Some games like Uncharted 2 and LAIR were great but I would have rather rented those then to actually own them.

PS3 was a huge let down for me game wise. There just wasn't anything that I felt was worth owning let alone to own a PS3.

Next gen...I am just going with the 720. It's said to be more powerful anyways so I am fine with that.
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Ezz2013  +   991d ago
StreetsofRage & Lvl_up_gamer
lol you guys are funny
non of you own ps3...but you still try way too hard to look like ps3 owners

ps3 exclusives have been outscoring xbox exclusives since 2008
and ps3 exclusives are the ones who win GOTY awards and gfx awards every single year

xbox is soooo awesome
that even a psn game won most GOTY awards and scored much higher than all xbox exclusives in 2012
while xbox exclusives won nothing
yet again
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Lvl_up_gamer  +   991d ago
@ Ezz2013

LMFAO at your insecurity. Claiming I don't own a PS3 when I do.

70+ million 360 out there
70+ million PS3 out there

Doesn't take a genius to see that most people are muli-console owners...especially at this stage in this gen.

LMFAO at your PS3 exclusives outscoring BS. Doesn't matter if they are 100 / 100 if you look at the sales of those games, they don't cater to the demand in the market.

For my racing fix I prefer Forza over GT.
For my 3rd person shooters I prefer my Gears over uncharted (gears of war franchise is higher rated then uncharted...just an FYI and has grossly outsold it as well)
Sony doesn't have a FPS anywhere near that of Halo.

As fore everything else, I will prefer 3rd party games over Sony's exclusives...and according to sales...so do PS3 only owners as well.

Last time I checked majority of GOTY awards went to The walking dead which I felt is a by far better game then Journey so your argument is moot.

Xbox doesn't have to win GOTY. It just has to have games that people actually want and buy. Too bad that can't be said about PS3 games.

How is Allstar's selling? How is LBP Karting selling? Oh but lets not bother focusing on the "casual games" lets look at Sony's Heavy hitters....How is Resistence 3 selling? How is Infamous 2 selling? How is Killzone 3 selling?

GOTY is just opinions. Sales indicate demand. Halo 4 sold more then ALL of Sony's exclusives COMBINED in 2012 simply because it's a franchise people love and will continue to buy.

And anyone who thinks that a 2 hour game is a GOTY over titles like Borderlands 2, Halo 4, Assassin's Creed etc are just idiots.

The only reason Indie games have won GOTY awards was because it was the "IN" thing to do and it became trendy to give a shout out to the indie devs who put their 2 hour limited budget titles up against the Juggernaut AAA titles.

Even Sony bailed on the PS3. They are no longer supporting the all mighty Cell processor and instead are going with a traditional PC design, releasing their next gen console sooner rather then later realizing that the PS3 is a sitting duck if MS were to release a next gen console this year. PS4 won't even be able to play your PS3 games....WHAT A CROCK!!!

Sorry Ezz2013 but Sony is a tanking company left to making bare bone ultra slim PS3's because they need to reduce manufacturing cost's and now Sony is even having to sell buildings to pay off debts because their "junk" status won't get them ANY loans.

Sony is in that position because NOBODY IS BUYING THEIR GAMERS!!! Sony just keeps dumping money into new IP's but they are crappy IP's that nobody wants like me. I just feel that Sony doesn't offer enough console wise and game wise that suits my taste in games or consoles. They don't offer the options or features I expect in a console and game.

I would rather play 3rd party titles on a 360 then to play exclusives on a PS3.
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saint_seya  +   989d ago
gears, 1,2,3,4,5 and more, cant get the awards only uncharted 2 got, second, u know why xbox sells so many gears, halos, forza? simple, name more exclusives to chose in that console, theres.. and also.. o yeah.. nvm.. people buy what they like, if u see all the ps3 exclusives, add the numbers of all.. and they outsold all the x-box exclusives.. ure a fool if u think that selling more is because is better.. the lack of options make em a sure sell... thats a fact.. besides..if u get a x-box its for gears or halo.. what else? educate yourself.. im not saying those are bad.. yet thats all.. ps3 have far more games, better or not, debatable on personal tastes, but for me they are, and i have the option in sooooo many good games exclusives.. and u? yeah another halo, forza, gears... sry i forgot kinetic. thats for hardcores as move right?

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