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Submitted by Nitrowolf2 643d ago | article

Should Sony Stick With Blu-ray Next Gen? What About Microsoft?

Premier Gaming Network - If history is to repeat itself, then Sony may go with a different format next generation. However, given the advancement and investment in Blu-ray technology, should Sony just stick with the format? And what will Microsoft opt for next generation? (Microsoft, Next-Gen, PS3, Sony, Xbox 360)

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GalacticEmpire  +   643d ago | Well said
Yes of course, but they should improve the transfer bandwidth and increase the max capacity.

MS need to swallow their peride and just adopt bluray.
LOGICWINS  +   643d ago
And pay Sony royalties? Thats lunacy. Thats like saying the PS4 should adopt a Windows 8 OS. Yeah, it would be lightyears better than the current PS3 OS, but it wouldn't be worth the expense of helping out your competitor.

Microsoft will likely stick to DVD, but their main selling point this time around will be a combination of Kinect and that projection tech they recently unveiled...which will be a disaster because they would COMPLETELY lose touch with their hardcore audience by focusing on expensive gimmicks as opposed to quality titles.
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GamersRulz  +   643d ago | Intelligent
I disagree, Blu-ray is a universal medium, MS have to adopt blu-ray technology otherwise Xbox will look like a dinosaur tech.

in addition haven't you ever seen a VAIO laptop running Windows? So yeah it's Ok to pay royalties to your rival in order to provide your customers with best tech available, Blu-ray in this case.
LOGICWINS  +   643d ago
Thats a different scenario. Sony pays Microsoft royalties out of necessity. Windows operating systems are too popular to not have on your laptop.

Blu-Ray on the other hand is NOT a necessity for a next-gen console to succeed. The 360/Wii proved that this gen.
iamnsuperman  +   643d ago
"Blu-Ray on the other hand is NOT a necessity for a next-gen console to succeed. The 360/Wii proved that this gen."

Last generation sure (takes a while for a physical media to really catch on) but this next generation the xbox needs to be Blu Ray if Microsoft really wants to be this "box in every living room" idea. For just gaming terms they could go down the road of what Nintendo did but a disadvantage is they cannot play Blu Ray DVDs which are becoming more important and more sought after.

It isn't ideal for Microsoft but I feel it is a necessity. It is a small royalty bump which doesn't fully go to Sony but goes to the Blu Ray group

It will be a big mistake if they stick to DVD and I think they no that. For Microsoft the options are stick to DVD (extremely bad idea), go the Nintendo route (slightly bad idea if they want the next xbox to be the main device in households) or go Blu Ray (which has more positives that to the negative of paying royalties)
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bobshi  +   643d ago | Well said
LOGICWINS, you are wrong.

You are comparing this gen to next gen.

It needs a high capacity disc to succeed next gen.

We already get games spanning multiple discs causing gamers to have to get out of their chair to go change a disc.

That would increase dramatically if they stuck with DVD.

This isn't 2001. The technology exists, use it.
nukeitall  +   643d ago
Furthermore, other than for movies, BR is NOT a necessity for high capacity storage either. Wii U has a high capacity storage and it does not use BR.

Even if MS decides to use blue laser which is the same as blu-ray technology, as long as they don't claim compatibility and play blu-ray movies they don't have to pay the license fee. In effect, they would have the exact same storage capacity or more without the fee.

Nobody has a patent on use of blu-laser.

BR unfortunately is a format that to most consumers are quickly diminishing in value. Too many people are moving over to streaming now like Netflix. On top of that, brand name standalone players cost $60.

If consumers wanted BR, they likely already own a player. Besides, why would you wear out your optical drive in your $400 console when there is a far cheaper and likely quieter option?
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LOGICWINS  +   643d ago
The next Xbox MAY be able to play Blu-Ray movies, but thats where it ends. Microsoft will stick to DVD or will heavily focus on digital downloads for gaming.

"BR unfortunately is a format that to most consumers are quickly diminishing in value. Too many people are moving over to streaming now like Netflix."

EXACTLY! Most people would rather pay $80-$90 a year to stream an unlimited amount of movies and tv shows as opposed to spending $10-$25 on individual Blu-Rays.

Subscription services offer WAAAY more value than buying individual Blu-Ray discs.
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zebramocha  +   643d ago
@iam your analogy doesn't make sense because the wii had its motion controller and the 360, at a point had better offerings in comparison to the ps3,I'm they mean to adopt blu-ray for games not just entertainment.
LOL_WUT  +   643d ago
"Microsoft will likely stick to DVD"
I hope you're wrong because I hate swapping out discs on the 360 it's an annoyance. Anything other than DVD would be nice. ;)
RuleofOne343  +   643d ago
If you really think about it they are paying the BDA , Then the BDA breaks it down to those involved.
pixelsword  +   643d ago
I may not be the most even-handed commentator on consoles or the PC at times, but I do try to give them a fair shake; but if Microsoft uses the DVD for next gen, I'm not buying it.

On top of that, there won't be a way to play my Blu-Ray movies, so that's another strike against the Next Box.

Microsoft is in a corner and the only way out is to go the Blu route.
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hazardman  +   643d ago
Dude do some research, I did and that why I'm commenting on you idiotic comment. Blu rays actually use a codec on the blu ray that guess what is part owned by MS.(look it up) Viao come with windows these companies work hand in hand. Obviously when it comes to gaming everyones lookng for an advantage. From all rumours 98% say MS is gonna have blu ray. They both pay each other royalties in one way or the other. I'm not trying to start a war in here just your name has Logic but there's not logic in what you say.
Panthers  +   643d ago
DVD will not work anymore after this gen. Games are going to be too large. That would be like last gen using CDs as the medium.

I wish I could find it, but there was a thread on an old forum where someone was arguing that DVDs would never be necessary for gaming because CDs would provide enough space. He argued that developers would find better means of compression. Could you imagine using CDs still?

While DVDs worked, I dont see them lasting much longer. So I do see MS using Blu Rays for games, until streaming becomes the norm.
Godmars290  +   643d ago
If MS want's the Xbox brand to be seen as an all-purpose media center then they have to include BR as a movie player. They can likely get away without it, especially in the US, but not elsewhere.

Would be best for them, Sony as well, to allow for HD titles less than 8GB to be on DVD as well.
Tapioca Cold  +   643d ago
They pay Toshiba(I believe) for DVD you tool.

These big companies are always paying royalties.

Blu ray is awesome and if you don't think so then your TV sucks.
bunfighterii  +   643d ago
You realise Sony also sell Vaio computers that all use Windows, right?
soniqstylz  +   643d ago
Sony gets royalties from DVD as well
kwyjibo  +   643d ago
Have you seen the mobile ecosystem wars? Everyone pays everyone else royalties. That's how it works. Take a look at the H264 battles.

That being said, Microsoft may believe that everyone who wants Blu-Ray already has it - and go for a cheaper bespoke option like Nintendo did.

If Microsoft can negotiate a low enough Blu-Ray royalty rate, they might just go with Blu-Ray. This could make the next Xbox become the centre of the living room experience, which is something they've tried to do this generation.
ChickenOfTheCaveMan  +   643d ago
HD-DVD is dead, DVD Is hanging but can't hold enough data. M$ would be beyond stupid not to go with blu ray.
vulcanproject  +   643d ago
Next gen consoles need some form of high capacity format that isn't too expensive. This means discs. Consoles aren't quite ready for download only because not every market has that luxury. They may be in another 5 years, but not quite yet.

In the case of Sony, it is very easy for them to drop in another bluray drive. It is well established, 50GB is still a lot of space and 99 percent of devs would be perfectly happy with that. A reasonable speed BD drive is now cheap as well. 8x would be plenty. Incredibly you can actually buy external usb 6x BD ROM drives on ebay for less than 22 pounds. I think it is obvious Sony will go this route again.

The question is what will Microsoft do? I think they will probably end up shoving in a bluray drive too. The fight over the format is long past and mostly forgotten history now. If they want to be an ultimate home media hub they would be wise to include bluray, although they might decide that they want to exclude it IF it means people move to their streaming service instead. It is very possible that they would view bluray as not a significant marketing feature in 2013, and not having it wouldn't hinder sales of the hardware or games but further drive streaming which they can make money from and have total control over on the platform.

Even in this scenario the drive will surely be a high capacity disc drive derived from bluray like tech much as Wii U is. It's just too cheap and fast to not have a high capacity disc drive in 2013. It's a total no Brainer. Even Wii U has one and that isn't exactly aiming to be cutting edge.
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rainslacker  +   643d ago
"BR unfortunately is a format that to most consumers are quickly diminishing in value. Too many people are moving over to streaming now like Netflix. On top of that, brand name standalone players cost $60."

Blu-Ray adoption rate is rising year over year since it's introduction to the market. Last year it saw a 16% increase in number of players sold, and increase from 9% the year before. It's adoption rate is actually much quicker than DVD ever was.

You made this same streaming argument the other day, so I will say to you again, is it hard to see the added value of having it all in one machine? Why do you keep insisting that streaming is going to take over? Physical media is still wanted and will always be. Digital is of course quickly gaining acceptance, and depending on how you look at it, has surpassed physical media sold. Just because people are streaming doesn't mean that they don't also want physical media. They both present advantages, and quite frankly, most of the world, or even the US, isn't equipped for an entirely digital future. Did you know that only 68% of US homes have broadband internet as of 2012(this isn't even broken down into high speed broadband, but over 112Kb speeds)...it seems there's more than one market to look at given those numbers. Stop pulling assumptions out of your ass and do some real research to see that what you like isn't necessarily everyone else likes.
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kneon  +   643d ago
@LOGICWINS

Perhaps your logic requires some facts. I guess you aren't aware that the main backers for CD and DVD were Sony and Philips, so Microsoft has been paying them all along via their royalties for those formats. A couple of dollars in royalties isn't going to stop them using bluray.
dudeOplenty  +   643d ago
@LOGICWINS

You should know that every time I read one of your posts, I become so stupefied and pessimistic towards the human race that I usually find a baby to punch in the face afterwards.
vitullo31  +   643d ago
Light years better? Your smoking some terrible shit
BattleAxe  +   643d ago
Sony uses Windows on their Vaio Laptops, and uses Skype on the Vita, so I don't see what the big deal about Microsoft using Blu-Ray would be.
Riderz1337  +   643d ago
Microsoft will stick to DVD? Sure if they want to live in the stone age. Lol games are getting much bigger nowadays and if they stick with DVD instead of blu ray get ready to have multiple discs for games more often.
Sy_Wolf  +   643d ago
Microsoft wouldn't need to pay royalties if they didn't alow BluRay playback out of the box. Just like they didn't need to pay DVD royalties with the original Xbox. Also, Nintendo isn't paying royalties to the BluRay Disc association because they don't alow BluRay playback.
Rageanitus  +   643d ago
This is when your facts and business logic fails.

Blu-ray is supported by MANY companies meaning royalties will go everywhere.

DVD has royalties also... why you think the wii and game cube used dvd medium but did no allow to play movies.

Sometimes you have to work together to make your product better.

Plus to ppl who think Streaming vide like netflix will remove Blu-ray.... they are completly closed minded.

Sorry netflix is mainly strong in only USA.. Most ppl have limited bandwidth around the world and it aint fast enough to pump out the SAME quality picture and sound and blu-ray.

Ive messed around with Netflix and it is no way inhell close to the quality of a Real blu-ray disc with uncompressed sound.
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cedaridge  +   643d ago
In Microsoft case I do prefer to Stream my movies in that regard BUT xbox need Bluray for disc scratching purpose. And I game more than I watch movies. That is one thing I like about the ps3, not having those ugly scratches on my disc.
Trenta27  +   643d ago
Sony didn't make bluray! They pay a fee just like everyone else.
Hanif-876  +   643d ago
@LOGICWINS Try changing your username to LogicFAILS because i've never seen so many comments which lacks "logic" the way yours do. However, i don't think someone could actually be that stupid. I have to admit though, its either your dumb as F--k or your just blinded by fanboyism.
SilentNegotiator  +   643d ago
DVD6C licensing group.
Sony makes money on every DVD drive and disc, too. I'm sure you thought Sony only had part in creating the betamax.

"Blu-Ray on the other hand is NOT a necessity for a next-gen console to succeed. The 360/Wii proved that this gen"
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LOL!! You're using the 7th gen to prove that Blu-ray isn't needed in the 8th? If the neXtbox wants to keep being called a multimedia system, it needs blu-ray. Plain and simple.
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ElectricKaibutsu  +   643d ago
Sorry LOGICWINS but continuing to use DVDs next gen wouldn't make sense. It didn't matter so much this gen because the 360 and PS3 don't have enough memory to use high res textures. The next Xbox and PlayStation however will absolutely have enough. Those textures take up a lot of space and DVDs just don't have the capacity. And could you imagine Microsoft falling behind frickin' Nintendo in tech?

I'm betting Microsoft will bite the bullet and put Blu-ray in the next Xbox. Actual Blu-ray, not the gimped Wii U version.
ALLWRONG  +   643d ago
Sony fans have some silly reasons why MS should use BR. Almost none of them have to do with the tech. I say don't be surprised if MS decides to go all Nintendo and Apple and choose another option. After all it seems to work out well for Apple and Nintendo.
DOMination-  +   643d ago
I always thought they could use a proprietary flash drive system for games. Would ve small, can hold lots of data, fast transfer rates and would make piracy very difficult. They're also really cheap now. It seems to tick all the boxes but obviously doesn't. Does anybody know why?
@ LOGICWINS
"And pay Sony royalties? Thats lunacy. Thats like saying the PS4 should adopt a Windows 8 OS. Y"

have you seen sony laptops? They don't use sony OS's. But in this case this makes MS look bad. I like it! Wow sony is really ahead of the curve by 7 years.

If xbox 720 is to stand a chance they need ps3 tech inside it.

".which will be a disaster because they would COMPLETELY lose touch with their hardcore audience by focusing on expensive gimmicks as opposed to quality titles."

lol sounds like 2010 - 2013.

"Blu-Ray on the other hand is NOT a necessity for a next-gen console to succeed. The 360/Wii proved that this gen."

So seeing how LA NOIRE, FF13, Rage And other games has 3 disks on 360 bigger next gen games
will just use 5 - 7 disks? Awsome!

Even Nintendo couldn't figure this out they are going for the hardcore.

Good job sony. Wonder what they will bring in ps4.
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Blackdeath_663  +   643d ago
that is how technology evolves. survival of the fittest every company makes their own format and the one that is more successful is adopted as the new standard and it just so happens that Blu-ray is better than HD-DVD. if every company stuck to their own format we will have a million different options which will make things extremely difficult for the consumer and it is a lose lose situation for everyone. if microsoft can take blu-ray and do something creative with it then there is no reason why they shouldn't adopt blu-ray it also serves them and all their fanboys right for bashing blu-ray when it was released and saying "no body uses blu-ray anyways" and "it's useless"
fermcr  +   643d ago
Sony and Microsoft have many business together, so i wouldn't be surprised if next Xbox come with blu-ray or something similar.

Only fanboys fight. As for Microsoft and Sony, they probably get along quite well.
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Viper7  +   643d ago
Let's face it. Microsoft only has 2 choices with X720 disc medium.

a) Use Blu-ray like most of the industry.
b) Drop the disc drive all-together and focus on digital downloads.

All other options are just silly.
dcbronco  +   643d ago
Logic, I do agree that MS doesn't have to go with Blu-ray. They do have to have a larger disc though. DVD won't cut it this generation. But there is no reason it has to be Blu-ray. It could be something new. It could be HD DVD. It was always far cheaper to make than Blu-ray. And they could acquire it cheaply. Considering some games sell millions of copies and they could do contracts with a few companies for pressing games, it could be more cost effective than the royalties on Blu-ray for it's partners.

But the reality is that digital is the future. And even if MS included Blu-ray, it will only be so beneficial for royalties for Sony and it's partners. If this generation is going to last as long as the current one, digital will outstrip disc long before it's over. The 360 already downloads content after you've turned it off and Steam already allows you to download a game before the release date. Put the two together and you eliminate the need for a physical format. So while physical will be there, it won't last.
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Daoshai  +   643d ago
Umm Sony already pays Microsoft royalties for bluray playback because it uses their VC-1 codec. This whole argument is stupid.
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Rockstar  +   643d ago
@Viper7

"Drop the disc drive all-together and focus on digital downloads."

This option would also be silly.
cooksauce  +   643d ago
If Microsoft stayed with DVD, it would ruin the xbox
vulcanproject  +   643d ago
"always thought they could use a proprietary flash drive system for games. Would ve small, can hold lots of data, fast transfer rates and would make piracy very difficult. They're also really cheap now. It seems to tick all the boxes but obviously doesn't. Does anybody know why?"

Because they aren't really cheap even now, not compared to disc based technology.

25GB blank bluray disc costs how much? $2 each at most if bought on a cake at retail? 50GB discs cost maybe $5 each at retail at most?

16Gb flash memory costs at least $10 at retail. 32GB is at least again $15. Actually I have been extremely conservative and priced the BD discs high, and the flash memory low!

But the point is obvious. When you want to make millions of copies of the game for retail, flash memory is STILL vastly more expensive than using a disc based format. Potentially $30+ million dollars more expensive in fact, for big selling games that might require over 25GB.

It is cheaper for everyone concerned to stick with discs right now, despite the fact flash memory is seemingly cheap. Everything is relative.
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Tvensky  +   643d ago
next Xbox should not use DVD, it has to Blu-ray, or something similar, it may be USB stick.. it will be fun when people will be forced to change 10 DVD cds for one game.. you will need to buy a suit case with DVD's not one CD case to play games... thats just stupid... In real world I dont even care.. I will chose that console which will have Gran Turismo on it!
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Lvl_up_gamer  +   643d ago
I agree that MS doesn't have to go with Blu-Ray. There are other options available.

However, MS is looking to make the 720 be the primary media hub in the living room. I think MS will go with Blu-Ray because they want to tap into those households that have a PS3 as their blu-ray movie playback machine. MS won't be able to achieve their goal if they don't cater the the #1 HD physical media format. Sony will just come back and take market share away once again this next gen like they did this gen simply because Sony offered HD blu-ray.

MS will need to release blu-ray for their system in order to keep Sony from taking market share.

I very well expect MS to use blu-ray and MS don't give a rats butt if they have to pay royalties....they have billions and the payoff to have blu-ray on the 720 would be a much greater asset to them then to not too.
jeseth  +   642d ago
MS needs to go to Blu Ray. DVD reared its ugly head toward the last couple years of this gen.

Sony obviously knows it will result in a better experience overall, Microsoft needs to swallow their pride and go Blu too.

It would be embarrassing for Assassin's Creed 5 or GTA 6 to be 3 or 4 discs.
xtremeimport  +   642d ago
aren't you sick of multiple discs that come with the xbox? yeah thats because its on dvd and not bluray.

Next gen bluray will be faster and could be larger. For MS to even consider shipping a console without a bluray drive is maddness.
kneon  +   642d ago
@Trenta27

Actually it was Sony and Philips who once again collaborated to pioneer what would become bluray. Sure they have to pay their royalties like everyone else but they also get a good chunk back from what others pay.
BrianC6234  +   642d ago
Sony must pay Microsoft for some things they use that Microsoft owns. All of these big companies work on things together, It's no big deal. I don't think Sony gets all of the royalties though anyway. A group of companies including Sony created Blu-ray.
Jamzluminati  +   643d ago
I hope MS goes all digital or sticks with DVD-8 lmfao.
showtimefolks  +   643d ago
sony should/will stick with bluray and improve on capacity among other things

MS either needs to add bluray or come up with a solution for disks that can hold more than 6-8GB of date.

whether people like it or not but DVD held a lot of stuff back this gen 3rd party wise. and i hope MS doesn't make the same arrogant choice again.
FlameBaitGod  +   643d ago
I think this is a no brainier and for those who think MS would stick with DVD's then MS would just fail, if its now and devs hold back because of the fee they get charged by MS when the exceed the DVD limit and that's on this gens graphics, just imagine how much they will be held back with the new MS console ?
b_one  +   643d ago
Pride and corporation? damn, it exists?
BlmThug  +   643d ago
I agree with MS needing to adopt Blu-ray.
r1sh12  +   643d ago
MS could do what nintendo did with the wii-u, have their 'own' version of blu ray - i think they have 25gb wii-u discs.
MS could do the same.
THe most likely scenario is they will have blu ray
darkride66  +   643d ago
I certainly hope the PS4 has Blu-Ray. I don't watch Blu-Ray's all that often but when I do, my PS3 is my Blu-Ray player. It'd be nice if the PS4 stuck with the same format as well just to eliminate the need to purchase a stand alone Blu-Ray player. When the PS4/Next-box show up, I have neither the room nor the desire to have the new consoles and the old consoles hooked up to my system at the same time.

I see know reason why the PS4 wouldn't still use Blu-Ray though. It's in Sony's interests to support the format, and given the lengths they went to include it in the PS3, there's simply no way they wouldn't include it in the PS4.
Chris558  +   643d ago
It's ironic how a user with account name Logicwins always fails with his "logic thinking"
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UnholyLight  +   642d ago
Microsoft will adopt Blu Ray. Blu Ray destroyed HD DVD and I donèt think there was much sense in Microsoft adopting Blu Ray in 2009 or something because that might have reflected badly on investors that Microsoft had given up..sort of thing.

This time around Microsoft will definitely be adding in Blu Ray without a doubt. How else can you make games for the next 6 years that will continually grow in the tech and graphics department like this gen did with the limited space of standard DVD...
aviator189  +   643d ago
It's a no-brainer for sony, no doubt.

It's just ms that needs to adopt it. Either that or a really good alternative but I figure that a good amount of customers are looking for blu-ray players nowadays so it's be smart of ms to include it in the next xbox.

That's just my take on the situation.
Nitrowolf2  +   643d ago
Exactly. They don't really need to adopt it for games, i mean they could always go with something else, but I think like the HD-DVD add-on, one for the next Box supporting Blu-ray would be great (better if built in). Blu-ray is starting to progress more and more for films, every company supports it now and the machines are only getting cheaper.
TENTONGUN  +   643d ago
why not just install compressed data like you would on a pc. problem solved, no blu ray for microsoft
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Rageanitus  +   643d ago
the xbox fanboys made it such a big deal that quite a few PS3 games had to install minor files on the hard drive.

so now its ok to install.? Maybe
TENTONGUN  +   643d ago
who said i was a fanboy? i used to pc game a lil and always installed. whats the big deal? i do it on my 360 and ive had to on my ps3. alot of lil bitch babies if you ask me. people need to grow up and accept shit.
rainslacker  +   643d ago
Quite honestly, given that stand alone players are so cheap, it probably won't be a major issue for people picking up a console to play games. If they are looking for a central media hub for under the TV then it would be a good option, so obviously you wouldn't want to close out those people. OTOH, most stand alone players have a ton of streaming options, so the only advantage to buying a console is that it will also play games. I doubt the licensing costs are that high though, as your dealing with tens of millions of units. MS also owns the codec that BR uses, so I'm sure they have quite a bit of bargaining power.

This is the first gen Sony is coming out with a system that isn't matched to a emerging technology (CD/DVD/BR), so they won't have that advantage like they did on their previous systems. I believe their Gakai acquisition will have some part to play in that, as it's the only real emerging technology when it comes to entertainment right now.

Blu-ray is a given for Sony though, doubt it even needs to be discussed. As for MS, since they want to be the center of people's living room, it's hard to imagine they would shut out those buyers, despite stand alone players being cheaper.
Ezz2013  +   643d ago
sony will go on with Blue-ray but will make it size 100gb or they can let the 50gb as it is
only ps3 exclusives can go to 40+gb

as for MS if they didn't have something close to the size of blue-ray ,they will be in deep trouble when next gen come out
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PirateThom  +   643d ago
I don't think they should limit anyone using the medium, if the next Xbox sticks with DVD (highly unlikely) then the multiplatform difference of multiple discs will become even more apparent than it is now.

Sony should definitely have 100GB support but, like with the PS2 allowing games on CD or DVD or the PS3 allowing 25 ir 50GB discs, allow developers to choose the best option for them and make sure they aren't penalised for using larger capacity discs. Basically, make the publishing aspect as developer friendly as possible.
_-EDMIX-_  +   643d ago
Agreed. And that is just NOT going to happen. Games THIS gen need that space period! GTAIV is a perfect example. This is a GTA game with just about 3 gigs more space then the last GTA game and where expecting HD graphics, physhics ALL while still having the same features....NOT possible. GTAIV proved that. GTAV will use more then 3 disk, PROOF that GTAIV was gimped for nothing more then being on 2 systems (one of which still used DVD).

Theres a reason why GT5 has over 1,000 cars and Killzone 2 has huge detailed 2gig levels.

Games get bigger not smaller. One would be just stupid to think using DVD again would be wise. (I don't think it was wise THIS gen)

Games will only continue to get bigger. Max Payne is 35 gigs, LA Noire is almost 40 I mean, you either want Next Gen or not. Having DVD is not going to give you proper sequels to Max Payne and LA Noire (just examples) ....they didn't for GTAIV.

GTAV (quote me and MARK MY WORDS) IS ONLY AS BIG, AND HAS SOOOOO MANY OLD FEATURES RETURNED BECAUSE ITS NOT USING JUST ONE DVD ie THE REASON GTAIV WAS GIMPED. i'M SORRY BUY I DON'T WANT GTAVI ON 720 IF MS WANTS TO USE DVD NO REAL GTA FAN WOULD.
Rageanitus  +   643d ago
I do not believe you need more than 50 gb's unless they make all games with uncompressed sound.

but dual layer Blu-ray discs will go a long way... I have not seen many PC games go beyond 50 gbs;) after install
pgnuk  +   643d ago
It is what made the PS3 more appetizing for consumers to buy into the high price tag, it needs to stay for the next console.
Godchild1020  +   643d ago
Why can't Mircosoft go with some different Disc type tech? Nintendo did it and their disc can hold 25GBs at minimum. So I believe Microsoft can come up with a type of disc that can hold a minimum of 25GBs as well.

They don't need to go with Blu-ray, just something that can hold a lot of information on one disc.

Sony will stick with the Blu-ray tech, I don't see a reason for them to go away with it, unless they have something better. But for now, to keep the console cost low, there shouldn't be a reason to go with a higher price tech.
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Hicken  +   643d ago
Nintendo's isn't really that different. It's based on Blu Ray, but modified enough that it can't PLAY Blu Rays, and thus they get away with not having to pay royalties.

I imagine I'll get some disagrees for saying so, but Microsoft stands to make more money from using DVDs, on both ends.

On the developer end, they can charge more- as they do now- if the number of discs goes over a certain limit, and that's definitely gonna be happening next gen.

On the consumer end- for some games, anyway- multiple discs in a console that had a reputation for scratching discs means that even if just one disc is scratched, the consumer has to buy another copy of the game to continue. I wonder how much that has contributed to the supposed higher attach rate on 360?
TheRealHeisenberg  +   643d ago
"I wonder how much that has contributed to the supposed higher attach rate on 360?"

LMAO, stretch much?
kneon  +   643d ago
I don't think it's modified at all, they just didn't pay the royalties for the codec for video playback, just like the Wii had a DVD drive but couldn't play movies until the homebrewers got their hands on it.

It would be silly to go with an entirely new format, they would end up paying at least $30-50 more per console if they used a proprietary disk format, plus the disk manufacturing costs would be much higher.

So you take off the shelf bluray hardware with maybe some custom firmware and that's all you need.
mochachino  +   643d ago
Movies, Bluray looks and sounds significantly better than any stream I've seen.
LOGICWINS  +   643d ago
Yet streaming is more popular. What does that tell you? Being "better" means nothing if people aren't willing to pay for that better experience. For the price of a handful of Blu-Ray, I can get a Netflix or Amazon Prime sub and gain access to THOUSANDS of movies and tv shows.

Also, I can stream the majority of the movies/tv shows on the PS Store for FREE via the Internet Browser. Do I care that they aren't in HD? Nope.
Rhythmattic  +   643d ago
"Do I care that they aren't in HD? Nope"

As for Tv shows I agree, but having a 50" Panasonic Plasma (a high end mode) and a 5.1 surround system to watch any quality Blu-Ray release, makes streaming look no better than 720p.. In most cases , worse.

So Im responding to your comment.. I care, as do many others.
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ceballos77mx  +   643d ago
I stream movies and TV shows, but those really good movies and shows I get on bluray.

But for games I live in Mexico, to download a game that's above 10 takes a couple of days, now imagine a 30+ Gb game and God knows how big next Gen games are gonna be, your crazy Logic if you think MS is going digital only.

The 360 is very popular in Mexico but not everyone had high-speed internet or even internet at all.
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HammockGames  +   643d ago
@Godchild

Valid point re: alternative disc tech (feasible)

But MS has made it clear they want to own the living room, providing entertainment any way they can. Since Blu ray is so widespread now, it seems like BR inclusion in the next MS console would be consistent with that.

That said, MS will still push video streaming, of course.
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GribbleGrunger  +   643d ago
It's not a matter of 'should they' it's a matter of 'they will'. They're not going to build a formats popularity up only to dilute it with yet another. It will be a higher capacity Blu-ray that has BC with present day Blu-ray. No doubt whatsoever.
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kneon  +   643d ago
I have 12x bluray drives in my PCs but I thought I saw a 14x somewhere. That would be over 500MB/s.

But I don't expect they will go that fast on the PS4, it would be pretty loud. Probably more like 8x.
TheMrMalro  +   643d ago
Both will use Bluray, speed issues are long gone and you can get speeds 4x that of DVD easily.
Gamer39  +   643d ago
Microsoft=Blu-ray.
Sony=Blu-ray
Nintendo=Blu-ray.
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black911  +   643d ago
VHS is still superior. We cant even record TV without a DVR.
iamnsuperman  +   643d ago
Are you kidding me. The Betamax is sooooo superior

In all seriousness I do miss those days you could record you TV shows on to VHS with no problem. No it is sky boxes and on demand services which from time to time are not ideal. VHS also had that crap but homely look about it
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Soldierone  +   643d ago
Hook a computer up, get a adapter to have the cable run through it. You can get a computer just for this cause for 200-300 easy (if not less) and the adapters are as little as 50 dollars.

It's awesome because if you have basic cable, it turns it into digital so you can browse the channels and know whats on. But beyond that, you are able to record ANYTHING. The thing I hate about DVR is they still control it. We recorded a movie on TV through DVR since we were out, came home, it has a little money symbol next to it.... wtf... it was on TV, yet we still have to buy the movie? dumb. And who knows when they pass a gadget that blocks you from fast forwarding through commercials....
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baldulf  +   643d ago
Next gen games are going to weigh a ton in high res textures, the dvd is a hindrance.
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jacksheen0000  +   643d ago
If Microsoft decide to use Blu-ray I m all for it.
But Let all not forget that Blu ray's data transfer speed is very slow. They could use a fast HDD like Sony did with their PS3; loading part of the data content on disc to increase the loading time.

I would think Microsoft would be smart enough to go with blu ray drive since there is no other optical medium drive thats better suited than blu rays 100gd capacity.

So Please Microsoft add a blu ray drive. Don't give Sony the advantage again.
Exquisik  +   643d ago
"But Let all not forget that Blu ray's data transfer speed is very slow. They could use a fast HDD like Sony did with their PS3; loading part of the data content on disc to increase the loading time."

This is true if you compare a 1X Blu Ray Drive to a 12X DVD Drive. But if you compare a 1X Blu Ray Drive to a 1X DVD Drive then Blu Ray transfers data at an approx. of 3.27X faster than DVD (BD = 36 mbps; DVD = 11 mbps). Not to mention that BD uses CLV, which transfers data at a linear constant, whereas DVD uses CAV, which transfers data at a variable constant (Faster on the inside, slower on the outside).

For comparison purposes, the highest speed of a BD drive at the moment is 18x which transfers data at 648 mbps and DVD is 52x which transfers data at 572 mbps.
jacksheen0000  +   643d ago
@ Exquisik

You're correct in some sense. But the real problem is cost.

Blu ray is a wonderful feature to have but Have you ever asked yourself why Blu ray disc cost so much? I'll explain why:First off, When using a blue light spectrum you get more storage space but lose on the pick up speed. When using laser red light spectrum you gain lots of read speed but lose on the storage space. There is a complete trade off when changing the color light spectrum and intensity(cold/hot) when reading an optical disc. So being that Blu ray uses a Blue ultra violet light which is projected thinly on a optical disc,it drive the cost of each disc manufactured. The faster the optical drive the more the blu ray disc will cost.

each blu ray disc would have to be made stronger to compensate for the Blue light spectrum intensity being so weak. In addition, anti-skipping technology would have to be incorporated to every blu ray disc to insure its accuracy or it won't work. This is the main reason for the heavy price tag for each blu ray disc being manufactured.

So I don't blame Nintendo for going with a propitiatory drive if there main goal is to keep the cost down of each disc(25gb) manufactured for the Wii U console. Perhaps this is, the reason Nintendo went with a mid range laser optical drive to keep cost down, a mid range laser intensity not only give the wii U a faster drive but also give a decent storage space.
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Dasteru  +   643d ago
Blu-ray isn't slow at all, it actually can be alot faster than DVD.

Every 1x speed on DVD is 1Mb/s maximum transfer rate but it randomly drops to nearly half that at times.

Every 1x speed on Blu-ray is 4.5Mb/s constant with no variation.

The 12x DVD drive in the 360 alternates between 6.5Mb/s & 12Mb/s

The PS3's 2x Blu-ray runs a constant 9Mb/s

All they have to do is use a higher bit rate drive in the PS4 and Nextbox.

A 14x Blu-ray drive operates at a constant 63Mb/s which is far better than any DVD drive.
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Soldierone  +   643d ago
It would be rather stupid to not have Blu-ray or at least some type of mass storage disc. Why wouldn't MS pay a few fee's to use it? It would be cheaper than developing and pushing your own format out.

Going full digital would be suicide, not everyone wants to download games. Go on the stores now, see how digital titles are still full prices, while at retail they are dirt cheap.

Let alone people have libraries of Blu-ray movies now, and I'm not tossing that out.
FarCryLover182  +   643d ago
What else would they stick to? Not like there's a new format poised to be the successor to blu-ray any time soon.
ziggurcat  +   643d ago
yes, and yes.
jaymart2k  +   643d ago
Mircosoft will do what Nintendo did, create a none blue-ray high capacity disc.
Belking  +   643d ago
I hope MS goes with BR or something similar. As for royalties they would have to pay, that isn't an issue. Sony and the developers of BR already pays MS royalties for using their codec for it anyway. Lets not forget people, BR isn't owned by Sony alone.They are just one of them in a joint ownership of the BDA. (Blu Ray Disc Association) Sony, Panasonic,Samsung, and Hitachi are just a few of the members. I will be shocked if MS doesn't use BR next gen but it won't be the only way games will be delivered for it. Digital is definitely the future.
It's a better,cheaper and faster way to get the product out to the consumers.
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rainslacker  +   643d ago
A lot of people like to assume that all these companies are at each others throats. The real truth is that they cooperate a lot more than they compete.
madpuppy  +   643d ago
"What About Microsoft?"

they should do what they did in 2005 and bet on a loosing format.
Or create their own bastardized one like Nintendo did with the gamecube.

I even have a name for it...Bill-ray.
Belking  +   643d ago
They don't need to create anything because the future is digital/cloud. I remember MS saying this even before the BR and HDDVD wars began. It looks like they may have been right. BR just may the last format we ever see and I'm glad because it's too expensive. It's been ten years now and BR movies are still too expensive.
chobit_A5HL3Y  +   643d ago
@belking
um, what? lolz you can get the entire new batman trilogy on blu-ray for, like, $20 lolz as for the rest of your post, there's just as much fail there~
Morgue  +   643d ago
I have a PS3 and a gang of Blurays. Funny part is, I never watch them. I do but I'd rather just watch Netflix I'm not saying BR is pointless. What's pointless is speculation because when both consoles launch it'll be drama queen 4G.
2pacalypsenow  +   643d ago
what else would they use?
Funky_Homosapien  +   643d ago
Discs of any form are a way of the past time for SSD flash cards! Is Apple really the only company to realize this?
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jacksheen0000  +   643d ago
You're correct in some sense. But the real problem is cost.

Blu ray is a wonderful feature to have but Have you ever asked yourself why Blu ray disc cost so much? I'll explain why:First off, When using a blue light spectrum you get more storage space but lose on the pick up speed. When using laser red light spectrum you gain lots of read speed but lose on the storage space. There is a complete trade off when changing the color light spectrum and intensity(cold/hot) when reading an optical disc. So being that Blu ray uses a Blue ultra violet light which is projected thinly on a optical disc,it drive the cost of disc manufactured. The faster the optical drive the more the blu ray disc will cost.

each blu ray disc would have to be made stronger to compensate for the Blue light spectrum intensity being so weak. In addition, anti-skipping technology would have to be incorporated to every blu ray disc to insure its accuracy or it won't work. This of main reason for the heavy price tag for each blu ray disc being manufactured.

So I don't blame Nintendo for going with a propitiatory drive if there main goal is to keep the cost down of each disc(25gb) manufactured for the Wii U console. Perhaps this is, the reason Nintendo went with a mid range laser optical drive to keep cost down, a mid range laser intensity not only give the wii U a faster drive but also give a decent storage space.
DarthJay  +   643d ago
If Microsoft is serious about "winning the living room," then they are going to have to bite the bullet and make their machine a Blu Ray player. From everything we've seen and heard, that is one of their big goals with the next Xbox.

The only part I care about is the bigger storage space on the disc. I don't care about disc swapping. It's not that big of a deal to me. I don't see a downside to having everything on one disc, though. I could care less if my video game console can play Blu Rays. It's not very hard or expensive to get a stand alone player.

With Sony... it's really not even a question. Of course they'll do it. They have no reason not to.
nerdkiller  +   643d ago
they better i didnt buy blueray movies and games to toss them out so soon
J86blum  +   643d ago
Of course they should stick with Blu-Ray next gen, However, I can see them bumping the price up by ten dollers to 69.99 for a bluray disc, booklet, and case. While PSN digital medial stays at 59.99. Though personally I think least PSN wise every new game should be 49.99 from tuesday of its release to the following tuesday i.e update day. I think it would Boost sales a fair amount.
Raoh  +   643d ago
What a stupid question. Do you expect all the movie studios to now go for a new movie format as well too?

stop handing out blogs to just anyone. Its pointless.

Sony has a movie studio with plenty of content to put on blu ray and you want them to remove a blu ray player from a device that can be marketed as a blu ray player as well as a game console.

Someone call this kids parents and tell them to turn their sons computer off.

And blu ray's transfer rate is not slow. THe blu ray player in the ps3 was only 2x, early dvd and cd players were just as slow.

For the record:

Blu-ray has a higher data transfer rate -- 36 Mbps (megabits per second) -- than today's DVDs, which transfer at 10 Mbps. A Blu-ray disc can record 25 GB of material in just over an hour and a half.

That info was also posted back around 2009 I think.
DFresh  +   643d ago
I believe Sony/Microsoft will both support Blu-ray.
Just hoping on the new Blu-ray discs the disc speed and disc size continues to improve.
Microsoft already tried supporting HD DVD and that ended up badly for them.
Quite frankly since Blu-ray is now the main HD Disc Format of choice Sony/Microsoft will continue to use it though next gen I feel digital distribution/cloud gaming will have a huge presence on PS4/Xbox 720/Steam Box/Ouya.
Wii U might try to capitalize on digital distribution if it starts of catch on more.
strigoi814  +   643d ago
Sony will stick with bluray. They are not only focused on gaming they want to sell their tv's also...and bluray is much in demand nowadays it is easier to transfer film from movie cinema to disc form(if you guys notice how fast films from cinemas releasing to disc form)...but if sony goes digital that would be a different question as well
rcalafactor  +   643d ago
Microsoft could always resurrect the HD-DVD back to life for the new system. Plus they wouldn't have to worry about pirating because there is hd-dvd burner on the market.
level 360  +   643d ago
Microsoft and their pride-chicken.. they lost.. end of story.. adopt Blu Ray for both games and movie playback.

They need to remember and everybody else out there that Sony first and foremost is a proprietor of all things media related especially in the field of electronics/hardware.
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