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Submitted by comradestalin 579d ago | article

For the last time, it isn’t about the hair!

Welcome to January. With a new year comes a new release quarter, and the game to herald the charge of new games to the market is Ninja Theory’s DmC: Devil May Cry. A re-imagining of the series, a new Dante is thrust upon hopeful gamers en masse. And most of them resisted. But why? Is it generally a resistance to change? Are these people being tantrum-throwing tear-spewing children who don’t want a new blankie to replace their old one? It depends on who you ask, really. (DmC: Devil May Cry, Industry, Ninja Theory, PS3, Xbox 360)

Root  +   579d ago
Thank You....finally
Army_of_Darkness  +   579d ago
new dante: scrubby, douche bag, rude pos look.

old dante: A clean, witty, ladies man that acts and looks much cooler without trying so hard to be the shit, like the new dante..... and he has better hair;-) lol!

ps. Nero needs to kick the new dante's ass back to NT's drawing board.
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Ezz2013  +   579d ago
nero was awesome
omi25p  +   579d ago
Question
Have you played the new one?
omi25p  +   578d ago
5 disagrees for a question and no answer.

Interesting, Very interesting.
vallencer  +   579d ago
You're welcome.
Ezz2013  +   578d ago
For the last time, it isn’t about the hair!..........it's about his missing penis lol
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Godmars290  +   579d ago
Sad to say, but its likely going to take a second DmC to show how "well" NT's done. That now that they've rewritten and restarted the franchise, they have to keep it going.

Either that, or Capcom is going to hand it off to another dev, who's going to do another reboot.

Wont that be fun...
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N4GDgAPc  +   579d ago
They could always do Devil May Cry 5 then next DMC2 and keep switching. That would be even better so you can have both worlds!
Godmars290  +   579d ago
No. I mean that where the old series was basically some random evil randomly cropping up to threaten the world of man, DmC has flat out flattened the worst of the worst in a very specific way. NT has left themselves with nothing to build on besides mop up.
smashman98  +   579d ago
Shouldn't be too hard ninja theory seems to have had the right idea with there last 2 games and dmc is better than both of them so if their record is anything to go by the sequel will not only be great it'll be even better
Heartnet  +   579d ago
Will there even be a sequel? NT havnt ever done a sequel only create one hits :P
pandehz  +   579d ago
''Oh, but God forbid you complain. I mean what’s the point? Bring it up to DmC’s new handler Tameem, and what will he do? Take a drag of his cigarette, gaze off into the distance, and say, “I don’t care.''

Im his fan now. Im so gonna do this to all my clients. Nobody messes with my art.

No but srsly thats a little too far but again a necessity in todays world where apparently the fans have learned to calculate art.

I love the old Dante and also Nero and also new Dante. What I dont like is when suddenly fans are making the games for the devs. I could kill to keep my poetic license. (call me if anything needs doing)
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GuyManDude  +   579d ago
"They're ours. All of ours. They're just as much a part of our lives as they are of yours. When an artist creates, whatever they create belongs to society."

This is a South Park quote of the boys trying to talk George Lucas out of altering Raiders of the Lost Ark. They were furious at the changes to movies and characters that they love(d).

The same thing happened here with Devil May Cry, and not just the hair. Dante's clothes, his heritage, his personality, his brother, the style meter being drastically simplified, the difficulty being lessened, the boss fights becoming push-overs, the empty dialogue. All of it goes against what Dante and DMC were. This video highlights a lot of what's wrong with this game:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

This is Son of Sparda difficulty, and the player slaughters this boss with complete ease. Then look at the style meter: SSS rank for mashing the same combo over and over. Then there's the dialogue:

"You disgusting f*** child! I'm going to pull off your head, p*ss down your neck and sh** on your worthless carcass!"

These are all reasons many of the "old fans" can't accept this game.

I have no qualms with other people liking this game. None whatsoever. But no can tell us that we have to accept, enjoy, and/or appreciate this new Dante and this new DmC. For many of us, this isn't Dante, and this certainly isn't the demanding Devil May Cry we used to know.
GuyManDude  +   579d ago
This would be the equivalent of Konami giving Metal Gear Solid to another developer and making a game with the following:

* Solid Snake has no eye patch
* Snake isn't a clone
* The difficulty is severely lessened
* You can get the Big Boss end game rank simply by killing people with the same gun and running through the game
* Liquid Snake also is not a clone, and barely resembles the character from MGS
* Boss fights have no strategy. Just run up and shoot until dead.
* The dialogue is much worse than previous MGS games

Could you imagine a Metal Gear Solid game like that? If all of this happened, fan blowback would be significant. What's more, it would be justified. That wouldn't be Solid Snake, and that wouldn't be Metal Gear Solid. People would be furious that they didn't leave them alone.

And no, it wouldn't be because Solid Snake now has blonde hair.
listenkids  +   579d ago
Of course it's about the hair, the game is fine. End this bullshit already.
Summons75  +   579d ago
The game is fine.....example of bad game design and casualizing a game that took skill to get the top rank, not one button repeated.
Blacktric  +   579d ago
You forgot to add how approachable it was. Especially with the difficulty settings... While DmC fails to provide a difficulty level that would satisfy people who want the game to be a lot more challenging than it is, even with Dante Must Die difficulty level, which is barely half of what DMD was in 3.
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N4GDgAPc  +   579d ago
Maybe its not as hard as DMC3 but DMC is defenitly not easy. I'm on Son of Sparda mode right now and that is challenging. You can not button mash through it and expect to beat it. I got 5 missions left and Dante Must Die mode unlocks. Will see how much harder that gets. There is also Hell to Hell mode. Where all the enimies have regular life but you die in 1 hit. That will probly be the most challenging for DMC
Temporary  +   579d ago
The people that say you just have to button mash 1 button and you win are either playing on a baby difficulty level, or they just havent played the game at all. One or the other.
VileAndVicious  +   579d ago
The game is actually very well done.And I've enjoyed it a lot. There are just a few game mechanics holding it back. But still an excellent game.

And casual? It definitely isn't in SOS mode.
listenkids  +   578d ago
I just mashed one button through one level on easy, I didn't get SSS.

Anything else? Troll.
csreynolds  +   579d ago
This. This over and over again.
mamotte  +   579d ago
"But the game is good."
"For the last time, it isn't about the game!"
Ultr  +   579d ago
:D haha
SolidSystem  +   579d ago
So an article complaining about the game, yet doesn't discuss the new game at all really. Just keeps talking about "I liked the old way"
Alos88  +   579d ago
He knew he'd get a huge number of supporters whether he went into detail on the game or not.
That's what this article strikes me as- it hasn't got any more substance than the many "pro" articles that didn't really go into the game in detail.
DragonKnight  +   579d ago
You didn't read the article did you? Re-read it again and you'll see that most of it talks about how poor the writing is.

Umm, of course it matters. Everyone is trying to say Ninja Theory are master storytellers and here they release a game with a terrible story, terribly written characters, and more mediocrity than ever seen. These same people will criticize the original series for allegedly poor writing and lame characters but pass over that blatantly obvious issue for DmC. Again, double standards. Every problem that reviewers and people had with Ninja Gaiden 3 is present in DmC, EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM, and yet DmC gets a pass for it while NG3 got slammed for it.

DmC's combo is dumbed down for casual audiences, the difficulty is nowhere near what it was in the original series, the writing is atrocious, the character models are ugly as sin (serious, why does Dante's smile look like the troll face?), the only way you'll get a decent framerate is on PC, Vergil has been butchered. I can go on and on but what's the point when all that will be said is "hurr durr he doesn't like the hair colour."
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Alos88  +   579d ago
As if the writing was the sole thing that matters, he barely even touches on any other part of the game-he mentions combat for one sentence, and that's it.
SolidSystem  +   579d ago
I'm with Alos88 on this one.
He barely mentions the writing (I did allude to he touches on the new game, but doesn't really go into why he dislikes the game so much).

The writing is different. The language is foul and the world takes itself seriously.

when then the author went into a comparison saying how he liked the tongue in cheek and that DMC isnt that.... so once again a case of "I liked the old way" instead of real criticism of DMC itself as a game.

This isnt your old DMC. its a retelling the same way DC reboots their universes. I can enjoy all the Batman's even if they are different or I think the joker is "less cool" in one series from one to the next. I'm not looking at this asking them to give me the same DMC, and I'm not expecting it.
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DangerousDAN  +   579d ago
Did you play the full game yet?
bluetoto  +   579d ago
@dragonknight

then DON'T buy the game! How hard is it for you and people who feel like you to speak with your wallent instead of on every dmc article.

I'm not even a big fan of dmc as I've always thought it was sort of cheezy but you guys make me want to buy the damn game to see if they got rid of the stuff I disliked(whiched you probably liked given your many statements).

We've all had games take routes that we didn't or don't like but there are way too many games out there(if you like playing games instead of complaining about games you don't like anymore)to play.

"DmC's combo is dumbed down for casual audiences, the difficulty is nowhere near what it was in the original"

Now I see the issue. You felt "special" and "skilled" when you were able to show that you beat the originals to your friends and now that the combat is more appealing to more folks you've lost that good ole feeling.

Everything that you listed as "atrocious" is subjective, for ALL games.

HEAR THIS NOW. WHAT YOU LOVE SOMEONE ELSE IS SURE TO HATE.

it's called preference, you should get used to it. You don't have to like it, but it would serve you well to respect someone elses opinion if you want yours respected or even acknowledged.

Problem isn't the game it's the gamer.
OptimisticPrime  +   579d ago
These articles and any arguments about this game are getting old and petty. The user reviews are bullshit. One of them says "it's a good game, but it's not DMC so 0/10". Yeah, those scores are skewed.

Honestly though, the game is very good. The dante has the same attitude as dante. Is he more vulgar? Of course. But is he also younger and more rawly immature? Yeah, that's the point.

Point is... I think this game is amazing. Playthrough 3 already. Critics pretty uniformly agree too. Even when the haters said "wait til the independent sites rate it since they aren't paid off" well that happened, still high marks.

Half of these haters hate it because they feel they have to to be a true old school dmc fan. Some have legit arguments. The 30fps is a bummer. But it is an exciting hack and slash with great pacing, insane art direction, incredible level design.

Let it go! The game is good on its own merits. Dante came back in a way some people don't like... So what? A lot of times reboots are way different.

Finally, the original creator of DMC tweeted his support for this game. How are we even having these discussions anymore?!
Root  +   579d ago
Critics also said that FF13 was amazing, RE5 was scary and GTA4 was a lot of fun

FF13 was linear as hell
RE5 with it's added co-op and lack of horror ruined it
and GTA4 was not fun, good game but not like past GTA games

We've all seen this on forums around the internet and can mostly all agree that there were problems with these games and not all that great like the reviews made it out to be.

Fact is reviews don't matter at all....you don't know what's going on behind closed doors.

Oh and as for the creator....who cares, the guy has been called off NT for the past two years and he's said how he was disappointed in the direction they were going...now all of a sudden he changes his tune....yeah ok then.

http://gamingbolt.com/devil...

http://gematsu.com/2010/09/...

http://www.computerandvideo...
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SolidSystem  +   579d ago
your opinion isnt fact either.

Many people DID enjoy GTA4.
some people Enjoyed RE5 even though it wasnt horror.
and whats wrong with Linear games?

while I understand and as a fan of many series myself, I like a certain appeal to a series and if they change that, I too would be upset. However, I am also a little sick that we as gamers don't let games evolve.

So what if RE5 and 6 wanted to be action games instead of horror? its the direction they wanted to take the games.
N4GDgAPc  +   579d ago
@SolidSytem

Because when Root is a fan of something and he doesn't like the new game he always decides that everyone hates it like its a fact. Doesn't care about people that actually liked it. Just cares about himself on what he didn't get out of the game.

He doesn't believe people actually think the games went the right direction and actually liked it. And when they do say they like it he throws in your not a fan of the old games because u never played them. He has this set in the brain that true fans don't like it which is not true.
Root  +   579d ago
@N4GDgAPc

Oh for christ sake N4GDgAPc, I never said my opinion is the only one that matters.

Sewriously you come into these articles and instead of just saying your opinion on the subject at hand you go onto other peoples comments which differs then yours and twist them to make them look bad

I mean look what I said for god sake

"We've all seen this on forums around the internet and can mostly all agree that there were problems with these games and not all that great like the reviews made it out to be."

We have...we've all seen it

FF13 gets called because it's linear and it wasn't like past FF games

RE5 gets called because of it's co-op which killed the horror experience of the game...a core mechanic of a horror game

GTA4 gets called because it wasn't as fun as past GTA games, it was good game but it didn't';t have that spark like VC and SA had.

It's sad that the only thing you can do is bash anyone else's comments which don't have the same opinion as you and try to twist them

"He doesn't believe people actually think the games went the right direction and actually liked it. And when they do say they like it he throws in your not a fan of the old games because u never played them. He has this set in the brain that true fans don't like it which is not true"

AGAIN...I have NEVER said any of that about fans and true fans

Stop making crap up...why troll other peoples comments
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DangerousDAN  +   579d ago
"FF13 was linear as hell
RE5 with it's added co-op and lack of horror ruined it
and GTA4 was not fun, good game but not like past GTA games"

Linearity does not automatically equal a bad game. FF13 was praised for its graphics, battle system (the most important aspect), which is arguably the best in a FF game, and the story, though confusing at times, does contain very memorable characters.

RE5, being an RE game, was disappointing because of the lack of scares, but in no way does that make it a bad game. Co-op was the reason for its few scares but was also the reason for it being a very fun game (who doesn't love shooting monsters with a friend?).

And GTAIV, quite honestly this is the firs time I've ever heard/read about it being boring. This game contains a less cartoony tone the other GTA's and maybe that over-the-topness is what YOU enjoyed. Because I personally enjoyed the serious tone in Niko's world way more.
So, all your criticism is based on your own personal preferences, not technical flaws.
DragonKnight  +   579d ago
Kamiya didn't tweet his support of the game. He tweeted that he's pleased people still have an interest in Devil May Cry and that he's pleased Ninja Theory released their twist on it. Nowhere did he say it was a good game.
shahrukh339  +   579d ago
this game is great and Ninja Theory did a great job with the franchise if not better...

Its not about the hair then its about what? why is it rated 3.5 on meta critic? It isnt obviously not that bad, its good if not great...
krontaar  +   579d ago
His character. He acts like an edgy 13 year old. And the writing is just awful.
VileAndVicious  +   579d ago
He only really acts "edgy" for the first 5 missions or so. All and all I think NT did a pretty good job. Sure there are some juvenile moments in the story, but overall the story is pretty good and for once there it's some character growth, which is nice.
pandehz  +   579d ago
Author dont take it so literally but it was always about hair colour.

All that you mention is figuratively revolving around 'hair colour'
DMC was always incoherent and did not have the strongest of canons.

The article you criticised actually justifies the fact that 'it was always about hair colour, figuratively of course' better than your justification that it isnt.

Lemme relink it in case ppl didnt notice where that article link was in this piece.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/0...

I also bet it's not for the last time. Theres a hater just around the corner u see
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DragonKnight  +   579d ago
No, it wasn't. Don't try to pool everyone together like that.
ziggurcat  +   579d ago
"Are these people being tantrum-throwing tear-spewing children who don’t want a new blankie to replace their old one?"

nail. head. direct hit.

@ haymoza below:

exactly. the sour had already been set in by the new character design, so it didn't really matter how the game turned out, nothing was going to sway them from regardless of how good the game turned out to be.
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haymoza  +   579d ago
It's always been about the hair. Embarrassing fans the whole lot of you are... New inconsistent arguments emerged only after you were all called out for hating the game only for the new character design.
DragonKnight  +   579d ago
No, it hasn't. Just because you refuse to see the legitimate complaints doesn't make them non-existent.
ElitaStorm  +   579d ago
what is done is done just get over it

i see the new dmc as a new Ip or a spin-off

and btw 4 devil may cry games are a great deal for the fans
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Baddo_Ekkusuchi  +   579d ago
lol all this DmC hate started with the HAIR. no one even knew how the game controlled or even how the difficulty was. I even remembered all the Nero hate back then and now they forget about it and hate on the new guy. sad to say but old dante is meaningless now, then again just play the devil may cry collection
Baddo_Ekkusuchi  +   579d ago
hahaha so if its the same old dante with black hair none of you will complain? oops let the disagree rain
Baddo_Ekkusuchi  +   579d ago
Dictionary:
Reboot (narratology)-To discard all previous continuity in a series and restart the series.

meaning all devil may cry in the past is non existent now. sorry
Baddo_Ekkusuchi  +   579d ago
freakin dictionary! I didnt know it was spreading lies! thanks for the disagrees and opening up my corrupted mind. whew! too close.
SavageFlamingo  +   579d ago
I like it. It's an enjoyable game. It doesn't bother me what other people think about it. And it shouldn't bother everyone else. Everyone has their own taste in games. So what's the point in arguing about it?
zerocrossing  +   579d ago
This is a great article and highlights very well a lot of concerns fans have raised that typically fall on the deaf ears with the dismissive "Ya'll just haterz" crowd.

The original Dante is a very difference character, the games style is different as is the writing, the humour, the action and the challenge, OK so the original Dante was a bit camp but who cared? He was cool and likeable.

List every change that has been made by NT to DMC with the reboot and you have yourself a list of what many fans dislike about it, do these changes make DmC a bad game? Hell no, does it make it a better game? Well that is debatable and entirely down to ones own opinion.

I see way to many instagaters pro & con regarding DmC, a little understanding from both sides of the fence would go a long way IMO.
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360ICE  +   579d ago
The hair was one of the initial complaints, when we knew very little about the game. It's become sort of symbolic of the all the complaints.

But I'm glad all that's over now, and everyone are enjoying the game.

I'm going to jail, for that. Aren't I?
Baddo_Ekkusuchi  +   579d ago
oooh you goin to jail now! *Uppercut
UnRated  +   579d ago
I didn't know a lot of people here were hardcore Devil May Cry fans that could reach the SSS ranks in their sleep. The combat in the game is great. Sure it runs at 30 fps as opposed to 60 but that doesn't negate the fact game has a very competent combat engine. You can still chain combos very smoothly and do a bunch of cool stuff. People have already started making combo videos for DmC.

The complaints were mostly about the re-imagining of Dante. The hair, and to his more brash attitude. I am pretty a number of people against DmC haven't even played the previous one and do this just on a matter of principle. Real hardcore DmC fans (I'm talking about SSS ranking people) are impressed with the game. Mind you, it's not better in the combat department while being compared to 4 but its not horrible either. If DMC 4 is a 10 in combat, DmC is an 8. However, DMC brings a lot to the table, a more cohesive storyline and very interesting level design.
TheBlackSmoke  +   579d ago
"I didn't know a lot of people here were hardcore Devil May Cry fans that could reach the SSS ranks in their sleep"

Lol, they aren't that's why I laugh my ass off when they try and post videos of some amazing player pulling off combos they could never have dreamed of, and never experienced doing themselves. I guarantee most of the people moaning about the style meter barely got through dmc3 on normal. They are just a bunch of posers.

As for the other complaints well its kind of redundant when someone who hasn't even played the game tells me that the story sucks, the character is this and that, the combo system is one button SSS (..its not) blah bah blah. Ive finished the game and I know its good. They are in denial and of course we all just imagined that all they complained about was appearance cos it never happened....

- dante hair should be white
- dante looks like a crack addict
- dante looks emo
- dante looks like edward cullen
- dante jacket is the wrong color
- dante is trying to be a hipster
- Dante is based off tameem antonionades
- Dante is juvenile, cocky...(dmc3 says hi)

blah blah blah blah.

They only stopped talking about it once new footage and news came out for it then they moved on to complain about EVERYTHING else.

Sorry but the fact is the series got stale, DMC4 is not bad by any means but its just a good combat engine stuck inside a mediocre game; it was the epitome of capcom not knowing where to go with the franchise, which is what happens when you dont lay foundations for good story. Another outing of dante running around yet another non-descript castle would of nailed the coffin shut on the franchise, and the same people who are now acting like dmc4 was star wars would be the first to moan about capcom milking the franchise with dmc5.

EDIT

@ REVOLVER_X

1: "TLDR. Im no DMC fan, but to call a fan ignorant/stupid/ect. because he dislikes the new direction makes you just that"

I never said Ignorant or stupid once, stop putting words in my mouth.

2: "Emo isn't my thing, because Im not gay"

You're ignorant and stupid
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Revolver_X_  +   579d ago
TLDR. Im no DMC fan, but to call a fan ignorant/stupid/ect. because he dislikes the new direction makes you just that. They invested in the franchise they liked. Whether DmC is good or not is irrelevant, thats what ppl dont get. There are immature trolls on both sides, but they have a right to hate the direction without trying it. Thats not the DMC they liked. The whole DMC lore and art design is different. Whether its better is a matter of opinion. I personally hate Dante's character design. Emo isnt my thing, because Im not gay, but to each his own. Come on, outside of DMC fanbase, who actually thinks the new Dante looks cool? Lol.
profgerbik  +   579d ago
I know for a fact it's a resistance to change. Look at the world around you, people are afraid of change.

Sorry if that sounded like some Obama speech.. I could careless about presidents. I think they are only puppets anyway in the grand scheme of things.. Just objects for people to point their blame at instead of where it really needs to be focused.

Oh let's not attack corporations for raping us blind let's just blame our President.. as if one man and his little administration created all the problems that exist today. Give me a break..

Yea people are afraid of change.. I mean not much has changed for centuries if you really sit and think about it. So knowing if history itself cannot change because for some reason people want to repeat history, than games should be no different for them.

I mean maybe the game is that bad but still no doubt people are afraid of change big time.
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Enigma_2099  +   578d ago
No, it isn't. It's about Tameem being a douche. And some of us not wanting to give him any money because of it.

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