vg247: Here we go. VG247 has been told that PlayStation 4 has a 50% raw power advantage over Xbox 720, based on information out of CES
Whatever the final specs are, there will be little between them. The differentiating factor will be exclusives, Windows 8, Gaikai, PS+ and the like. Of course the most interesting aspect will be Blu-ray or no blu-ray and at which resolution?
I agree. This thread on Neogaf proves why I'm going to wait until Sony and Microsoft announces their next gen systems, with their respective specifications. http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
But I agree there are a lot of rumors going 'round without either company making a public press releases. Within the hour of my approving one rumor about "a" being more powerful than "b" I turn around and see this article saying "b" is more powerful than "a". Man, I need to get paid for doing this stuff on N4G. :P edit: @deadfrag: Did you even check out the link I posted before. Vg247 had the first pictures of VITA's beta dev kits. Don't believe they are the beta dev kits for VITA. Well look at this, http://www.gamepur.com/news...
@jujubee88 It is all rubbish anyway. These website never check their sources and there have been few instances when they have got it right. The rest of the time they get them wrong which a lot of people seem to forget
@juju I'm wondering if the preformance listed is total or just that of the gpu because their was a rumor from google translate that said Sony was to have a gpu at 1.8 Tf.
@jujubee What is wrong with GAF now? most of the news come from there, most legit site when it comes to vg-news... O-T Rumors still, don't believe anything before official announcements from boths Sony and MS,
LET THE RUMOURS COMMENCE. i cant wait for the ps4 and the many playstation IPs. sony better have the more powerful console because the next gen console that is the more powerful will be catered to more. because sony is pushing for 4k resolution i believe itll be the most powerful console ever this year in order to render games in native 4k resolution. im also hoping to hear about some new blu ray disc thatll be over 200gbs capacity.
Haha this site makes laugh. In the other topic, where the Xbox 360 is rumoured to be more poweful, everyone is like " what a load of nonsense ....stupid rumours" and the rumour bar is so far to the left, that tree hugging democrats thinks it's gone too far left and here, it's all, "hopefully yeah!. Ah you guys! *Pokes SDF belly*
VG247, If you forgot, were the ones who gave news of the rumor of sony aquiring a gaming cloud company which became true a few months later. I would trust them far more than a journal which has a rumor of the opposite (article next to this one).
I'll go one better than waiting, I'll just get a PS4 cause with Gaikai my system gets continually more powerful without ever leaving my house.
statistics. In this post that is for the ps4 to be more powerful than the 720 has 129 total votes in the "hopefully" section. In another post about the 720 being more powerful than ps4 is 209 total votes in the "doubtful" section.
NEW RUMOUR! 720 will run a custom version of W8 I just pulled this out of my @$$ and may very well be more true than all the recent "leaks"
1.84 vs. 1.23... looks closer to 30% to me!
@AAACE5 LOL, good spin. But if you're coming up from the 1.23TF rumored in the Xbox 720 then it's a 50% increase. Going down from PS4's 1.84TF to 1.23TF is how you got your 30% increase. Marketing 101 aka Spin City :D What matters most is if this is full console TF or GPU only TF. In the case of the PS4 it's likely full console seeing how they're also "STRONGLY RUMORED" to be using the AMD A10, so the PS4 should be on par with HD 7950M (aka HD 7850), which isn't bad at all. The Xbox 720 is likely the CPU only, but with that being said the CPU isn't going to do much to improve the overall TF unless it's a complete beastly CPU so at best they would tie with the PS4, but most likely still be behind if the rumors are true (currently those TF put it on par with a HD 7870M aka HD 7770GHz). Also depends on the amount of RAM, clock speeds, memory, etc...
I kind of hope this is true. Sony tends to have the better exclusives (and more of them), so it would be nice to be able to get those exclusives with the best graphics and also be able to play all of the multiplatform games on the same console. If Sony makes a beefy enough console I might switch over to the PS4 as my main platform (over PC and Xbox 720). For now I am taking this all with a grain of salt. We'll simply have to wait for more solid information.
no doubt the PS4 will be more powerful.
Either way I hope they put some damn good GPU's in there to support higher res textures and higher resolutions in general.
Added value will define this gen
Hehe, "teraflops". When did we Megaflops? Or was that invented with the PSVita... if you know what I'm saying.
I guess they'll be running the same games, minus the exclusives, so the power won't change much. in the case of these consoles, I find RAM more interesting as let's the console offer more integrated services(at least that's how I see it)
I still find it hard to believe that MS might cripple themselves yet again hardware-wise with only upscaled DVDs where the industry is talking about 1TB+ Blu-ray discs. Though I expect the PS4's will only rate 100GB.
and what might we need that massive space for on disc? Most games that use a lot of space mostly use it for uncompressed audio and pre-rendered video. That is why most games rarely span more than one DVD, let alone two. A lot of space just means more costly assets have to be made with very little difference to the user. With next generation rolling around and hard drives being the standard, you would most likely just install the darn thing and not wear out your optical drive anyhow.
Dude you know better than that! MS gonna have blu ray not no upscale DVD. Every rumor indicates this no matter what the source. Another thing I don't care for these specs PS3 is more powerful than Xbox 360. So if that the case next gen so be it. Both console will look great in my living room.
@nukeitall Look at games like GOW3, Uncharted 2, and Killzone 3 as to why we need bigger discs. All multiplat titles could be on that level (provided they are good devs)
Look at the most successful properties in gaming right now and re-evaluate that post. I have a blu ray player in my PC and I never use it since everything I watch/play is from 'da cloud'.
How about not looking at only your own situation and preferences before commenting? MS started stared this gen by saying the 360 could get by only on DVD, then had to make two major system revisions and temporarily tossed in an add on to compensate. And at the end of six years of thinking like that, of failing to anticipate their own much less consumer needs, they've been edged out of 2nd place worldwide. I'm not saying that whatever they go with on disc will be a full repeat, but if they go in as narrow mindedly as they have twice before they could end up scrambling to compensate.
bluray movies in 4k will require 100gb or more just to fit in the disk. Maybe that's why?
@nukeitall That's why Forza 3/4, Halo 4, Mass Effect 2/3,L.A. Noire, AC3, etc etc are all multi-disc
Whatever super power each console might have, this generation like many others have proven that power does not guarantee a great console. I think the most flexible console with the best infrastructure for new features and with quality games will win more so than the number of games or the most hardware power. The bottom line is, both consoles likely won't differ that much in power, because you can't make the cost difference too big and each dollar can only get you so much hardware so it comes down to "smart design"!
forget all the features, the selling point is exclusive games for me this is why I will always choose playstation over xbox. ps+ is just icing on the cake.
..and weather or not microsoft will make you pay for internet. playstation has had by far the better exclusives this gen with more still on their way. with gaikai and a strong gaming console under their belt i can't see where xbox is going. i don't think microsoft will promote windows8. they show very little support for pc and games for windows live is nothing short of a train wreck. microsoft seem to be obsessed with gimmicks like kinect and illumiroom. they have neglected the core gamers.
You might be right you might be wrong. One thing I do know is that noone on this forum knows of any facts whatsoever. I'm also a ps3 owner and one thing I can see sony doing is adding gakai to ps+ which means you will probably have to pay to use it. A lot the ps bots can disagree all they want playing online will stay free most other features will fall on the ps+ so the people always on this thread knocking xbl customers will feel like idiots when your paying for ps+ to enjoy certain features. For me xbl/ps+ are essential I don't mind paying at all to enjoy this hobby that has been part of my life since the age of 6. I'm 33 now, and will be gaming til my end of days!!
@hazardman there is a difference between making customers pay for extra features like gaikai and ps+ and making them pay to just play online which should come as standard if you have the game and an internet connection.
What a funny website two different articles one that 720 is more powerful than PS4 other that PS4 is more powerful than 720
Ha ha.. The PS3 being more powerful rumor on this article has the votes saying "for sure", and in the xbox rumor article that says it will be more powerful it's at "no way". :D
Yes they will be virtually the same , just enjoy .
So neither one can run unreal engine 4. All this talk power and they can't even run a one of the most powerful engines. I can truely see why the big pc developers are getting out of consoles now. Unreal needs 2.5. Tflops. So it's very possible we are looking at another gimped generation and this means they won't be far ahead of the wiiu power wise. this isn't looking good for the fan boys that can only talk about power.
Author of this article should pay more attention. It states PS4 - 3.2 Tflops Xbox 720 - 4.2 Tflops Then it also states Soc For PS4 = 1.84 with 2 of them x2 = 3.68 Xbox 720 SoC is at 1.23 x3 = 3.69 Also states that the SoC numbers are old. Could easily be different now. It also states X720 at 4.2 Tflops now with 3 SoC chips = 1.4 Tflops per SoC. While Sony has 3.2 Tflops now with 2 SoCs = 1.6 Tflops for Sony SoC. Simple solution for Sony is to add a third SoC to outmatch Xbox 720 equaling up to 4.8 Tflops. PS4 = breathtaking machine if so. How the hell will they cool off these machines so I can play a game without hardware issues I wonder though. Still take it with a bucket of salt. Some truth is in every myth, but we won't know final details until they are final. Its a fun guessing game though. hmm... I have been thinking since 2011 that 4 Tflops was a goal of both companies with Sony's 4K talk. These are not likely final until after E3. Production could be delayed as final rush to the top happens. As Sony has stated before when they make something that will wow people then they will release it. If they stick to their word there should be no problem. I personally want Sony to release in Q1-Q2 2014 so they don't mess it up with rushed console red ring. Like apparently both are doing this time around if rumors holds true.
Ah they both are 3.2 Tflops. PS4 = 3.xx Tflops SOC 1 = 1.84 Tflops SOC 2 = 1.2x XB3 = 3.11 Tflops SOC 1 = 650 Tflops Dual SOC 2 = 2.4 Tflops Plus CPU .1-.2 Tflops. Mythical claim Xbox 720 can perform 4.2 Tflops. Nice touch to article. http://misterxmedia.livejou... I would like to see it in motion regardless.
I dont really care about the specs, next gen Im going with PC+PS4
true that, there won't be many Xbox exclusives other than Halo and GOW (don't even mention all the Kinect games...), so PS4 for exclusives and PC for everything else.
Can I borrow your time machine? I want to travel to future so I can watch my Pats hold up the Lambordi trophy.
you really don't need a time machine to see where MS is going...
I used to have a 360, but eventually got tired of not being able to play the multiple AAA ps exclusive. I bought a ps3 and haven't looked back. Besides Alan Wake, Xbox doesn't have anything in its stable to get me excited about the Xbox Next... not yet. Don't be surprised if Microsoft announces a brand new AAA exclusive title at E3.
I'm not finding much validity in this article... But I'll just point out 2 obvious things. ---"Both machines will supposedly have have the ability to read 100Gb Blu-ray discs." Possibly... But MS will more than likely opt out of using BluRay ---"Durango is apparently based on the Radeon HD 8770 GPU." Probably Not! It's been reported that Xbox 720 will be using a custom version 6670. AND when AMD releases the 8770 GPU, it will more than likely cost $400+.
PC/PS4 combo is not a bad choice at all... I will be going with WiiU/PS4. Already got the WiiU and waiting on concrete information and release dates for the PS4. My deciding factor is AAA 1st and 2nd party franchise which Nintendo and Sony are excellent with. As for 3rd party AAA games... whatever WiiU doesn't get, PS4 will for sure.
*High five!* exactly the same for me. moving to pc gaming too hopefully by the end of this month. i will wait a few years before getting a console and get the one with better exclusive (or exclusives that appeal to me) i'm not in any rush for a new console still want to play ni no kuni, beyond: two souls and the last of us.
In my case SteamBox + PS4 (probably unless Sony goes casual)
VG247 mentions they've talked to developers at CES, they also were spot on about several things I've heard. This is the first I'm hearing about 100 GB discs. VG247 had pictures of Vita before any one else, so I'm more inclined to believe them. Edit: VG247 is under the impression that several media outlets are in possession of documents related to Durango from CES and are currently working on major leak stories.
Seems more like they're just basing this off the rumours already circulating over the web. Until something remotely official gets leaked, I'd take this with a big pinch of salt.
http://www.vg247.com/2010/1... ^As you can see, they did come up with a big scoop. Not to say one rumor is more valid than the next (the companies behind the hardware only know the facts) but I lean toward vg247 being more valid at this point.
Sony will likely support BDXL disks which have a capacity of up to 128GB. As far as I know that's the biggest standardized bluray format, though various companies have shown working drives at over 500GB. BDXL along with the new codec will allow full length movies at 4k resolution on one disk. They will also need at least a 6x drive for 4k so I expect it will likely be an 8x drive.
Previous VG247 Rumors: Xbox 720 has 2 GPUs, 4-6 core CPU, requires internet connection to play games PS4 uses A10 APU, dev kits have 8-16 GB of RAM PlayStation Vita uses a four core Cell CPU!!!!
The vita uses an ARM CPU not the cell.
Well according to the source link and his posts. AMD 9000, and AMD 10000 spec parts will be used and while both consoles look like 3.2 Tflops on paper. Xbox 720 will be able to perform at 4.2 Tflops with Xbox 720 using Power770 cores. Only thing creditable is SoC is mentioned. 2-3 of them for PS4/XB3. Which makes sense in a way, but still kinda off if AMD 6670/7670 are utilized. If you take away that 650 Gigaflops and drop in AMD 6760 it equals 3.228 Tflops. Which even matches his own words with both equal to 3.2 Tflops on paper. XB3 - 3.228 Tflops SoC 1 - Unknown CPU + AMD 6670 - 768 Gigaflops. BC + Graphics assist on new generation. SoC 2 = dual design - 1.23 Tflops(AMD 7770?) x 2 = 2.46 Tflops. Main Xbox 720 CPU/GPU Soc it appears with 4 CPU cores in each SoC. PS4 - 3.228? Tflops How so? SoC 1 - 1.840 Tflops SoC 2 - 1.388? AMD 7770? or around that range. Just a guess. I assume they both will be marginally close to each other.
one hour ago there was an article saying the 720 will be more powerful , now its the ps4. who is telling the truth?? or are people just milking n4g for hits?? these rumors are making my head spin lol. i just hope ms doesnt make the mistake of not putting blu ray in the nextbox. i plan on getting ps4 and nextbox eventually. i plan on getting one of them at launch, but no blu ray will make me hold off on the xbox for awhile i think.
Vg247 is telling the truth. That NowGamer article was taken from a Livejournal posting.(Its fake)
Still doesnt mean the vg247 is confirmed aha id wait it out a bit longer fellas
The live journal posting also states both are at 3.2 Tflops, but Xbox 720 will be able to perform at 4.2 Tflops somehow. Like Sony won't be aiming to do the same type of things with all of their 4K talk. 3.2 Tflops sounds about right really. Not quite matching PC's max 4.3 Tflop GPUs, but not quite in the mid-low power spec space with some quality optimization it will go a long way.
"are people just milking n4g for hits??" You just broke "teh matrix"
Whatever happens, both systems will be great (hopefully).
Sounds legit! I guess ps3 has 0.5TF (xb360:0.25 btw) so it's a big jump as sony said :)
Thats it, im packing my bags and jumping ship. Anyone else coming??? Ive been the biggest MS supporter since day one, defending applauding so on and so forth. BUT all these rumors seem to be having a bit of truth. and the truth they are pointing to is that the new Xbox will once again be a weak POS. And the difference wont be minimal like this Gen NOOOOO it will be weaker by a large margin. So for now my money is going to the new PS system.
Says the guy with the PS3 avatar. You are not to be trusted.
lol check again the Ps3 avatar has the YLOD.
LMAO Okay you got me there.
Nobody believes you.